If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
#101
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Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
Well then you'd be wrong and it's been that way for 35 years at least.
High-performance/complex rating which I have gets you into some pretty
big single-engine aircraft. From your remarks, it doesn't sound like
you are either a pilot or haven't been current in many years.
Bret Ludwig wrote:
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>> Are you just being an *** today when making the comment about my pilot's
>> license or are you always that way?
>>
> PP-ASEL is the advanced student ticket. Even when I was a kid you
> couldn't rent anything bigger than a Skyhawk until you had your
> commercial and instrument.
>
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
High-performance/complex rating which I have gets you into some pretty
big single-engine aircraft. From your remarks, it doesn't sound like
you are either a pilot or haven't been current in many years.
Bret Ludwig wrote:
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>> Are you just being an *** today when making the comment about my pilot's
>> license or are you always that way?
>>
> PP-ASEL is the advanced student ticket. Even when I was a kid you
> couldn't rent anything bigger than a Skyhawk until you had your
> commercial and instrument.
>
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
#102
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Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
Well then you'd be wrong and it's been that way for 35 years at least.
High-performance/complex rating which I have gets you into some pretty
big single-engine aircraft. From your remarks, it doesn't sound like
you are either a pilot or haven't been current in many years.
Bret Ludwig wrote:
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>> Are you just being an *** today when making the comment about my pilot's
>> license or are you always that way?
>>
> PP-ASEL is the advanced student ticket. Even when I was a kid you
> couldn't rent anything bigger than a Skyhawk until you had your
> commercial and instrument.
>
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
High-performance/complex rating which I have gets you into some pretty
big single-engine aircraft. From your remarks, it doesn't sound like
you are either a pilot or haven't been current in many years.
Bret Ludwig wrote:
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>> Are you just being an *** today when making the comment about my pilot's
>> license or are you always that way?
>>
> PP-ASEL is the advanced student ticket. Even when I was a kid you
> couldn't rent anything bigger than a Skyhawk until you had your
> commercial and instrument.
>
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
#103
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Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
Well then you'd be wrong and it's been that way for 35 years at least.
High-performance/complex rating which I have gets you into some pretty
big single-engine aircraft. From your remarks, it doesn't sound like
you are either a pilot or haven't been current in many years.
Bret Ludwig wrote:
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>> Are you just being an *** today when making the comment about my pilot's
>> license or are you always that way?
>>
> PP-ASEL is the advanced student ticket. Even when I was a kid you
> couldn't rent anything bigger than a Skyhawk until you had your
> commercial and instrument.
>
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
High-performance/complex rating which I have gets you into some pretty
big single-engine aircraft. From your remarks, it doesn't sound like
you are either a pilot or haven't been current in many years.
Bret Ludwig wrote:
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>> Are you just being an *** today when making the comment about my pilot's
>> license or are you always that way?
>>
> PP-ASEL is the advanced student ticket. Even when I was a kid you
> couldn't rent anything bigger than a Skyhawk until you had your
> commercial and instrument.
>
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
#104
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Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
Bret Ludwig proclaimed:
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
>>"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:1153229874.805740.96110@h48g2000cwc.googleg roups.com...
>>
>>>Amsoil is a MLM but last I heard that was legal. They are not engaging
>>>in high power pressure tactics like Amway or a few others.
>>
>>Amsoil is not API certified, and you seem to keep forgetting that.
>>
>
>
>
> No law requires it to be. Further most other specialist synthetics are
> not either.
? Such as ?
>
> If you have an engine failure CAUSED BY BAD OIL PERFORMANCE, the
> manufacturer has the right to have the oil analyzed, but the fact is
> engines don't fail in warranty because of bad oil. When they fail in
> warranty it's either a casting failure or gross misassembly most of the
> time.
Not entirely true, but then most MLM's try to make sure the type of
folks who swallow their marketing campaigns never figure this out.
>
> For that reason I don't care if Amsoil is API certified or not any
> more than I care if high end audio equipment is UL certified (it isn't
> because the quantities make testing cost-ineffective) or whether
> something is ISO 9000 certified.
So how much does this certification costs?
How does that compare to the income of Amsoil compared to specialty oil
manufacturers of similar or smaller size that DO offer certified oils?
Which particular high end audio equipment are you claiming is *NOT* UL
certified? Not that this irrelevant hand waving has squat to do with
Amsoil's lack of certification-but would like to challenge your bogus
claim here.
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
>>"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:1153229874.805740.96110@h48g2000cwc.googleg roups.com...
>>
>>>Amsoil is a MLM but last I heard that was legal. They are not engaging
>>>in high power pressure tactics like Amway or a few others.
>>
>>Amsoil is not API certified, and you seem to keep forgetting that.
>>
>
>
>
> No law requires it to be. Further most other specialist synthetics are
> not either.
? Such as ?
>
> If you have an engine failure CAUSED BY BAD OIL PERFORMANCE, the
> manufacturer has the right to have the oil analyzed, but the fact is
> engines don't fail in warranty because of bad oil. When they fail in
> warranty it's either a casting failure or gross misassembly most of the
> time.
Not entirely true, but then most MLM's try to make sure the type of
folks who swallow their marketing campaigns never figure this out.
>
> For that reason I don't care if Amsoil is API certified or not any
> more than I care if high end audio equipment is UL certified (it isn't
> because the quantities make testing cost-ineffective) or whether
> something is ISO 9000 certified.
So how much does this certification costs?
How does that compare to the income of Amsoil compared to specialty oil
manufacturers of similar or smaller size that DO offer certified oils?
Which particular high end audio equipment are you claiming is *NOT* UL
certified? Not that this irrelevant hand waving has squat to do with
Amsoil's lack of certification-but would like to challenge your bogus
claim here.
#105
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Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
Bret Ludwig proclaimed:
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
>>"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:1153229874.805740.96110@h48g2000cwc.googleg roups.com...
>>
>>>Amsoil is a MLM but last I heard that was legal. They are not engaging
>>>in high power pressure tactics like Amway or a few others.
>>
>>Amsoil is not API certified, and you seem to keep forgetting that.
>>
>
>
>
> No law requires it to be. Further most other specialist synthetics are
> not either.
? Such as ?
>
> If you have an engine failure CAUSED BY BAD OIL PERFORMANCE, the
> manufacturer has the right to have the oil analyzed, but the fact is
> engines don't fail in warranty because of bad oil. When they fail in
> warranty it's either a casting failure or gross misassembly most of the
> time.
Not entirely true, but then most MLM's try to make sure the type of
folks who swallow their marketing campaigns never figure this out.
>
> For that reason I don't care if Amsoil is API certified or not any
> more than I care if high end audio equipment is UL certified (it isn't
> because the quantities make testing cost-ineffective) or whether
> something is ISO 9000 certified.
So how much does this certification costs?
How does that compare to the income of Amsoil compared to specialty oil
manufacturers of similar or smaller size that DO offer certified oils?
Which particular high end audio equipment are you claiming is *NOT* UL
certified? Not that this irrelevant hand waving has squat to do with
Amsoil's lack of certification-but would like to challenge your bogus
claim here.
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
>>"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:1153229874.805740.96110@h48g2000cwc.googleg roups.com...
>>
>>>Amsoil is a MLM but last I heard that was legal. They are not engaging
>>>in high power pressure tactics like Amway or a few others.
>>
>>Amsoil is not API certified, and you seem to keep forgetting that.
>>
>
>
>
> No law requires it to be. Further most other specialist synthetics are
> not either.
? Such as ?
>
> If you have an engine failure CAUSED BY BAD OIL PERFORMANCE, the
> manufacturer has the right to have the oil analyzed, but the fact is
> engines don't fail in warranty because of bad oil. When they fail in
> warranty it's either a casting failure or gross misassembly most of the
> time.
Not entirely true, but then most MLM's try to make sure the type of
folks who swallow their marketing campaigns never figure this out.
>
> For that reason I don't care if Amsoil is API certified or not any
> more than I care if high end audio equipment is UL certified (it isn't
> because the quantities make testing cost-ineffective) or whether
> something is ISO 9000 certified.
So how much does this certification costs?
How does that compare to the income of Amsoil compared to specialty oil
manufacturers of similar or smaller size that DO offer certified oils?
Which particular high end audio equipment are you claiming is *NOT* UL
certified? Not that this irrelevant hand waving has squat to do with
Amsoil's lack of certification-but would like to challenge your bogus
claim here.
#106
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Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
Bret Ludwig proclaimed:
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
>>"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:1153229874.805740.96110@h48g2000cwc.googleg roups.com...
>>
>>>Amsoil is a MLM but last I heard that was legal. They are not engaging
>>>in high power pressure tactics like Amway or a few others.
>>
>>Amsoil is not API certified, and you seem to keep forgetting that.
>>
>
>
>
> No law requires it to be. Further most other specialist synthetics are
> not either.
? Such as ?
>
> If you have an engine failure CAUSED BY BAD OIL PERFORMANCE, the
> manufacturer has the right to have the oil analyzed, but the fact is
> engines don't fail in warranty because of bad oil. When they fail in
> warranty it's either a casting failure or gross misassembly most of the
> time.
Not entirely true, but then most MLM's try to make sure the type of
folks who swallow their marketing campaigns never figure this out.
>
> For that reason I don't care if Amsoil is API certified or not any
> more than I care if high end audio equipment is UL certified (it isn't
> because the quantities make testing cost-ineffective) or whether
> something is ISO 9000 certified.
So how much does this certification costs?
How does that compare to the income of Amsoil compared to specialty oil
manufacturers of similar or smaller size that DO offer certified oils?
Which particular high end audio equipment are you claiming is *NOT* UL
certified? Not that this irrelevant hand waving has squat to do with
Amsoil's lack of certification-but would like to challenge your bogus
claim here.
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
>>"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:1153229874.805740.96110@h48g2000cwc.googleg roups.com...
>>
>>>Amsoil is a MLM but last I heard that was legal. They are not engaging
>>>in high power pressure tactics like Amway or a few others.
>>
>>Amsoil is not API certified, and you seem to keep forgetting that.
>>
>
>
>
> No law requires it to be. Further most other specialist synthetics are
> not either.
? Such as ?
>
> If you have an engine failure CAUSED BY BAD OIL PERFORMANCE, the
> manufacturer has the right to have the oil analyzed, but the fact is
> engines don't fail in warranty because of bad oil. When they fail in
> warranty it's either a casting failure or gross misassembly most of the
> time.
Not entirely true, but then most MLM's try to make sure the type of
folks who swallow their marketing campaigns never figure this out.
>
> For that reason I don't care if Amsoil is API certified or not any
> more than I care if high end audio equipment is UL certified (it isn't
> because the quantities make testing cost-ineffective) or whether
> something is ISO 9000 certified.
So how much does this certification costs?
How does that compare to the income of Amsoil compared to specialty oil
manufacturers of similar or smaller size that DO offer certified oils?
Which particular high end audio equipment are you claiming is *NOT* UL
certified? Not that this irrelevant hand waving has squat to do with
Amsoil's lack of certification-but would like to challenge your bogus
claim here.
#107
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Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
Bret Ludwig proclaimed:
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
>>"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:1153229874.805740.96110@h48g2000cwc.googleg roups.com...
>>
>>>Amsoil is a MLM but last I heard that was legal. They are not engaging
>>>in high power pressure tactics like Amway or a few others.
>>
>>Amsoil is not API certified, and you seem to keep forgetting that.
>>
>
>
>
> No law requires it to be. Further most other specialist synthetics are
> not either.
? Such as ?
>
> If you have an engine failure CAUSED BY BAD OIL PERFORMANCE, the
> manufacturer has the right to have the oil analyzed, but the fact is
> engines don't fail in warranty because of bad oil. When they fail in
> warranty it's either a casting failure or gross misassembly most of the
> time.
Not entirely true, but then most MLM's try to make sure the type of
folks who swallow their marketing campaigns never figure this out.
>
> For that reason I don't care if Amsoil is API certified or not any
> more than I care if high end audio equipment is UL certified (it isn't
> because the quantities make testing cost-ineffective) or whether
> something is ISO 9000 certified.
So how much does this certification costs?
How does that compare to the income of Amsoil compared to specialty oil
manufacturers of similar or smaller size that DO offer certified oils?
Which particular high end audio equipment are you claiming is *NOT* UL
certified? Not that this irrelevant hand waving has squat to do with
Amsoil's lack of certification-but would like to challenge your bogus
claim here.
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
>>"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:1153229874.805740.96110@h48g2000cwc.googleg roups.com...
>>
>>>Amsoil is a MLM but last I heard that was legal. They are not engaging
>>>in high power pressure tactics like Amway or a few others.
>>
>>Amsoil is not API certified, and you seem to keep forgetting that.
>>
>
>
>
> No law requires it to be. Further most other specialist synthetics are
> not either.
? Such as ?
>
> If you have an engine failure CAUSED BY BAD OIL PERFORMANCE, the
> manufacturer has the right to have the oil analyzed, but the fact is
> engines don't fail in warranty because of bad oil. When they fail in
> warranty it's either a casting failure or gross misassembly most of the
> time.
Not entirely true, but then most MLM's try to make sure the type of
folks who swallow their marketing campaigns never figure this out.
>
> For that reason I don't care if Amsoil is API certified or not any
> more than I care if high end audio equipment is UL certified (it isn't
> because the quantities make testing cost-ineffective) or whether
> something is ISO 9000 certified.
So how much does this certification costs?
How does that compare to the income of Amsoil compared to specialty oil
manufacturers of similar or smaller size that DO offer certified oils?
Which particular high end audio equipment are you claiming is *NOT* UL
certified? Not that this irrelevant hand waving has squat to do with
Amsoil's lack of certification-but would like to challenge your bogus
claim here.
#108
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Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
Bret Ludwig proclaimed:
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
>>"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:1153229874.805740.96110@h48g2000cwc.googleg roups.com...
>>
>>>Amsoil's lack of certification is not a problem per se, as carmakers
>>>don't analyze the oil from failed engines. They'd never know.
>>
>>Unless you brought your blown engine in and told them you used Amsoil. Then
>>you're stuck. So you don't tell them you used a non-certified oil, required
>>by the warranty. There's a word for that, it's spelled F-R-A-U-D.
>
>
> Well, yeah. But if the oil had nothing to do with it they'd probably
> not care. And if it DID Amsoil has a warranty, which is not perfect but
> better than no warranty.
>
I'd prefer an intact engine myself, and knowing that it is so trivially
easy to determine the oil used from a very tiny drop of oil should the
manufacturer have reason to wonder why a particular oil related failure
occurred--would prefer to simply buy a superior and cheaper oil that IS
certified.
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
>>"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:1153229874.805740.96110@h48g2000cwc.googleg roups.com...
>>
>>>Amsoil's lack of certification is not a problem per se, as carmakers
>>>don't analyze the oil from failed engines. They'd never know.
>>
>>Unless you brought your blown engine in and told them you used Amsoil. Then
>>you're stuck. So you don't tell them you used a non-certified oil, required
>>by the warranty. There's a word for that, it's spelled F-R-A-U-D.
>
>
> Well, yeah. But if the oil had nothing to do with it they'd probably
> not care. And if it DID Amsoil has a warranty, which is not perfect but
> better than no warranty.
>
I'd prefer an intact engine myself, and knowing that it is so trivially
easy to determine the oil used from a very tiny drop of oil should the
manufacturer have reason to wonder why a particular oil related failure
occurred--would prefer to simply buy a superior and cheaper oil that IS
certified.
#109
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Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
Bret Ludwig proclaimed:
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
>>"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:1153229874.805740.96110@h48g2000cwc.googleg roups.com...
>>
>>>Amsoil's lack of certification is not a problem per se, as carmakers
>>>don't analyze the oil from failed engines. They'd never know.
>>
>>Unless you brought your blown engine in and told them you used Amsoil. Then
>>you're stuck. So you don't tell them you used a non-certified oil, required
>>by the warranty. There's a word for that, it's spelled F-R-A-U-D.
>
>
> Well, yeah. But if the oil had nothing to do with it they'd probably
> not care. And if it DID Amsoil has a warranty, which is not perfect but
> better than no warranty.
>
I'd prefer an intact engine myself, and knowing that it is so trivially
easy to determine the oil used from a very tiny drop of oil should the
manufacturer have reason to wonder why a particular oil related failure
occurred--would prefer to simply buy a superior and cheaper oil that IS
certified.
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
>>"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:1153229874.805740.96110@h48g2000cwc.googleg roups.com...
>>
>>>Amsoil's lack of certification is not a problem per se, as carmakers
>>>don't analyze the oil from failed engines. They'd never know.
>>
>>Unless you brought your blown engine in and told them you used Amsoil. Then
>>you're stuck. So you don't tell them you used a non-certified oil, required
>>by the warranty. There's a word for that, it's spelled F-R-A-U-D.
>
>
> Well, yeah. But if the oil had nothing to do with it they'd probably
> not care. And if it DID Amsoil has a warranty, which is not perfect but
> better than no warranty.
>
I'd prefer an intact engine myself, and knowing that it is so trivially
easy to determine the oil used from a very tiny drop of oil should the
manufacturer have reason to wonder why a particular oil related failure
occurred--would prefer to simply buy a superior and cheaper oil that IS
certified.
#110
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Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
Bret Ludwig proclaimed:
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
>>"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:1153229874.805740.96110@h48g2000cwc.googleg roups.com...
>>
>>>Amsoil's lack of certification is not a problem per se, as carmakers
>>>don't analyze the oil from failed engines. They'd never know.
>>
>>Unless you brought your blown engine in and told them you used Amsoil. Then
>>you're stuck. So you don't tell them you used a non-certified oil, required
>>by the warranty. There's a word for that, it's spelled F-R-A-U-D.
>
>
> Well, yeah. But if the oil had nothing to do with it they'd probably
> not care. And if it DID Amsoil has a warranty, which is not perfect but
> better than no warranty.
>
I'd prefer an intact engine myself, and knowing that it is so trivially
easy to determine the oil used from a very tiny drop of oil should the
manufacturer have reason to wonder why a particular oil related failure
occurred--would prefer to simply buy a superior and cheaper oil that IS
certified.
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
>>"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:1153229874.805740.96110@h48g2000cwc.googleg roups.com...
>>
>>>Amsoil's lack of certification is not a problem per se, as carmakers
>>>don't analyze the oil from failed engines. They'd never know.
>>
>>Unless you brought your blown engine in and told them you used Amsoil. Then
>>you're stuck. So you don't tell them you used a non-certified oil, required
>>by the warranty. There's a word for that, it's spelled F-R-A-U-D.
>
>
> Well, yeah. But if the oil had nothing to do with it they'd probably
> not care. And if it DID Amsoil has a warranty, which is not perfect but
> better than no warranty.
>
I'd prefer an intact engine myself, and knowing that it is so trivially
easy to determine the oil used from a very tiny drop of oil should the
manufacturer have reason to wonder why a particular oil related failure
occurred--would prefer to simply buy a superior and cheaper oil that IS
certified.