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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycanbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 17:56:40 GMT, Brandon Sommerville
<grimrod@mindless.com.gov> wrote:
>On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 11:22:53 -0500, "Douglas A. Shrader"
><dshrader@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>My Dad was a Veteran Lloyd, he died because the VA cared more about slashing
>>costs than providing quality care. Easier, and cheaper, to make an off the
>>shoulder diagnosis than to run expensive tests. When he was admitted for
>>pnuemonia they finally decided to run some test to see what was causing it
>>and found he was riddled with cancer, which any good hospital would have
>>detected years earlier. He died 8 days later, at home, even though he begged
>>them to let him stay in the hospital. Hospital beds cost money, and they had
>>to cut costs, so a dying man was sent home. That is the kind of low quality,
>>one kind treats all health system you want Lloyd, and it stinks. Now shut up
>>and stop posting your lies and crap on this or any group.
>
>Sounds like the result of a health care system run on a for profit
>basis.
No, the VA is not a for profit system.
This is actually a result of the gov't failing to follow through on
the contract it made with servicemen.
Why people think the same gov't will follow through on a similar
contract with all citizens is beyond me.
--
Bill Funk
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<grimrod@mindless.com.gov> wrote:
>On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 11:22:53 -0500, "Douglas A. Shrader"
><dshrader@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>My Dad was a Veteran Lloyd, he died because the VA cared more about slashing
>>costs than providing quality care. Easier, and cheaper, to make an off the
>>shoulder diagnosis than to run expensive tests. When he was admitted for
>>pnuemonia they finally decided to run some test to see what was causing it
>>and found he was riddled with cancer, which any good hospital would have
>>detected years earlier. He died 8 days later, at home, even though he begged
>>them to let him stay in the hospital. Hospital beds cost money, and they had
>>to cut costs, so a dying man was sent home. That is the kind of low quality,
>>one kind treats all health system you want Lloyd, and it stinks. Now shut up
>>and stop posting your lies and crap on this or any group.
>
>Sounds like the result of a health care system run on a for profit
>basis.
No, the VA is not a for profit system.
This is actually a result of the gov't failing to follow through on
the contract it made with servicemen.
Why people think the same gov't will follow through on a similar
contract with all citizens is beyond me.
--
Bill Funk
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycanbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 17:56:40 GMT, Brandon Sommerville
<grimrod@mindless.com.gov> wrote:
>On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 11:22:53 -0500, "Douglas A. Shrader"
><dshrader@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>My Dad was a Veteran Lloyd, he died because the VA cared more about slashing
>>costs than providing quality care. Easier, and cheaper, to make an off the
>>shoulder diagnosis than to run expensive tests. When he was admitted for
>>pnuemonia they finally decided to run some test to see what was causing it
>>and found he was riddled with cancer, which any good hospital would have
>>detected years earlier. He died 8 days later, at home, even though he begged
>>them to let him stay in the hospital. Hospital beds cost money, and they had
>>to cut costs, so a dying man was sent home. That is the kind of low quality,
>>one kind treats all health system you want Lloyd, and it stinks. Now shut up
>>and stop posting your lies and crap on this or any group.
>
>Sounds like the result of a health care system run on a for profit
>basis.
No, the VA is not a for profit system.
This is actually a result of the gov't failing to follow through on
the contract it made with servicemen.
Why people think the same gov't will follow through on a similar
contract with all citizens is beyond me.
--
Bill Funk
replace "g" with "a"
<grimrod@mindless.com.gov> wrote:
>On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 11:22:53 -0500, "Douglas A. Shrader"
><dshrader@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>My Dad was a Veteran Lloyd, he died because the VA cared more about slashing
>>costs than providing quality care. Easier, and cheaper, to make an off the
>>shoulder diagnosis than to run expensive tests. When he was admitted for
>>pnuemonia they finally decided to run some test to see what was causing it
>>and found he was riddled with cancer, which any good hospital would have
>>detected years earlier. He died 8 days later, at home, even though he begged
>>them to let him stay in the hospital. Hospital beds cost money, and they had
>>to cut costs, so a dying man was sent home. That is the kind of low quality,
>>one kind treats all health system you want Lloyd, and it stinks. Now shut up
>>and stop posting your lies and crap on this or any group.
>
>Sounds like the result of a health care system run on a for profit
>basis.
No, the VA is not a for profit system.
This is actually a result of the gov't failing to follow through on
the contract it made with servicemen.
Why people think the same gov't will follow through on a similar
contract with all citizens is beyond me.
--
Bill Funk
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycanbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 17:56:40 GMT, Brandon Sommerville
<grimrod@mindless.com.gov> wrote:
>On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 11:22:53 -0500, "Douglas A. Shrader"
><dshrader@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>My Dad was a Veteran Lloyd, he died because the VA cared more about slashing
>>costs than providing quality care. Easier, and cheaper, to make an off the
>>shoulder diagnosis than to run expensive tests. When he was admitted for
>>pnuemonia they finally decided to run some test to see what was causing it
>>and found he was riddled with cancer, which any good hospital would have
>>detected years earlier. He died 8 days later, at home, even though he begged
>>them to let him stay in the hospital. Hospital beds cost money, and they had
>>to cut costs, so a dying man was sent home. That is the kind of low quality,
>>one kind treats all health system you want Lloyd, and it stinks. Now shut up
>>and stop posting your lies and crap on this or any group.
>
>Sounds like the result of a health care system run on a for profit
>basis.
No, the VA is not a for profit system.
This is actually a result of the gov't failing to follow through on
the contract it made with servicemen.
Why people think the same gov't will follow through on a similar
contract with all citizens is beyond me.
--
Bill Funk
replace "g" with "a"
<grimrod@mindless.com.gov> wrote:
>On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 11:22:53 -0500, "Douglas A. Shrader"
><dshrader@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>My Dad was a Veteran Lloyd, he died because the VA cared more about slashing
>>costs than providing quality care. Easier, and cheaper, to make an off the
>>shoulder diagnosis than to run expensive tests. When he was admitted for
>>pnuemonia they finally decided to run some test to see what was causing it
>>and found he was riddled with cancer, which any good hospital would have
>>detected years earlier. He died 8 days later, at home, even though he begged
>>them to let him stay in the hospital. Hospital beds cost money, and they had
>>to cut costs, so a dying man was sent home. That is the kind of low quality,
>>one kind treats all health system you want Lloyd, and it stinks. Now shut up
>>and stop posting your lies and crap on this or any group.
>
>Sounds like the result of a health care system run on a for profit
>basis.
No, the VA is not a for profit system.
This is actually a result of the gov't failing to follow through on
the contract it made with servicemen.
Why people think the same gov't will follow through on a similar
contract with all citizens is beyond me.
--
Bill Funk
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycanbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
On Fri, 05 Dec 03 10:54:41 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:
>In article <fnjvsvsmu5n84q4k1m457amfb37muifqib@4ax.com>,
> Bill Funk <bfunk33@pipping.com> wrote:
>>On Thu, 04 Dec 03 10:25:54 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Canada's a democracy; if their health care system is so bad, why haven't the
>>>people gotten rid of it? England's is even more socialized, but even the
>>>conservative Thatcher realized it was so popular she didn't dare touch it.
>>
>>It's a truth that one of democracy's worse points is that people, when
>>they discover that they can vote themselves something for 'free', will
>>do so.
>>It's human nature.
>>
>So you'd prefer, what, a monarchy? A theocracy to impose your religious
>beliefs on others?
I never said I'd prefer anything else.
And I never even hinted that I wanted to impose my religious beliefs
on others.
I point out a fact, and you immediately try to make me say something
else. Typical of you when something you don't like is said.
Why not just admit that you're wrong instead of putting yourself in
the position of looking so dumb?
--
Bill Funk
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wrote:
>In article <fnjvsvsmu5n84q4k1m457amfb37muifqib@4ax.com>,
> Bill Funk <bfunk33@pipping.com> wrote:
>>On Thu, 04 Dec 03 10:25:54 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Canada's a democracy; if their health care system is so bad, why haven't the
>>>people gotten rid of it? England's is even more socialized, but even the
>>>conservative Thatcher realized it was so popular she didn't dare touch it.
>>
>>It's a truth that one of democracy's worse points is that people, when
>>they discover that they can vote themselves something for 'free', will
>>do so.
>>It's human nature.
>>
>So you'd prefer, what, a monarchy? A theocracy to impose your religious
>beliefs on others?
I never said I'd prefer anything else.
And I never even hinted that I wanted to impose my religious beliefs
on others.
I point out a fact, and you immediately try to make me say something
else. Typical of you when something you don't like is said.
Why not just admit that you're wrong instead of putting yourself in
the position of looking so dumb?
--
Bill Funk
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycanbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
On Fri, 05 Dec 03 10:54:41 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:
>In article <fnjvsvsmu5n84q4k1m457amfb37muifqib@4ax.com>,
> Bill Funk <bfunk33@pipping.com> wrote:
>>On Thu, 04 Dec 03 10:25:54 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Canada's a democracy; if their health care system is so bad, why haven't the
>>>people gotten rid of it? England's is even more socialized, but even the
>>>conservative Thatcher realized it was so popular she didn't dare touch it.
>>
>>It's a truth that one of democracy's worse points is that people, when
>>they discover that they can vote themselves something for 'free', will
>>do so.
>>It's human nature.
>>
>So you'd prefer, what, a monarchy? A theocracy to impose your religious
>beliefs on others?
I never said I'd prefer anything else.
And I never even hinted that I wanted to impose my religious beliefs
on others.
I point out a fact, and you immediately try to make me say something
else. Typical of you when something you don't like is said.
Why not just admit that you're wrong instead of putting yourself in
the position of looking so dumb?
--
Bill Funk
replace "g" with "a"
wrote:
>In article <fnjvsvsmu5n84q4k1m457amfb37muifqib@4ax.com>,
> Bill Funk <bfunk33@pipping.com> wrote:
>>On Thu, 04 Dec 03 10:25:54 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Canada's a democracy; if their health care system is so bad, why haven't the
>>>people gotten rid of it? England's is even more socialized, but even the
>>>conservative Thatcher realized it was so popular she didn't dare touch it.
>>
>>It's a truth that one of democracy's worse points is that people, when
>>they discover that they can vote themselves something for 'free', will
>>do so.
>>It's human nature.
>>
>So you'd prefer, what, a monarchy? A theocracy to impose your religious
>beliefs on others?
I never said I'd prefer anything else.
And I never even hinted that I wanted to impose my religious beliefs
on others.
I point out a fact, and you immediately try to make me say something
else. Typical of you when something you don't like is said.
Why not just admit that you're wrong instead of putting yourself in
the position of looking so dumb?
--
Bill Funk
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycanbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
On Fri, 05 Dec 03 10:54:41 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:
>In article <fnjvsvsmu5n84q4k1m457amfb37muifqib@4ax.com>,
> Bill Funk <bfunk33@pipping.com> wrote:
>>On Thu, 04 Dec 03 10:25:54 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Canada's a democracy; if their health care system is so bad, why haven't the
>>>people gotten rid of it? England's is even more socialized, but even the
>>>conservative Thatcher realized it was so popular she didn't dare touch it.
>>
>>It's a truth that one of democracy's worse points is that people, when
>>they discover that they can vote themselves something for 'free', will
>>do so.
>>It's human nature.
>>
>So you'd prefer, what, a monarchy? A theocracy to impose your religious
>beliefs on others?
I never said I'd prefer anything else.
And I never even hinted that I wanted to impose my religious beliefs
on others.
I point out a fact, and you immediately try to make me say something
else. Typical of you when something you don't like is said.
Why not just admit that you're wrong instead of putting yourself in
the position of looking so dumb?
--
Bill Funk
replace "g" with "a"
wrote:
>In article <fnjvsvsmu5n84q4k1m457amfb37muifqib@4ax.com>,
> Bill Funk <bfunk33@pipping.com> wrote:
>>On Thu, 04 Dec 03 10:25:54 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Canada's a democracy; if their health care system is so bad, why haven't the
>>>people gotten rid of it? England's is even more socialized, but even the
>>>conservative Thatcher realized it was so popular she didn't dare touch it.
>>
>>It's a truth that one of democracy's worse points is that people, when
>>they discover that they can vote themselves something for 'free', will
>>do so.
>>It's human nature.
>>
>So you'd prefer, what, a monarchy? A theocracy to impose your religious
>beliefs on others?
I never said I'd prefer anything else.
And I never even hinted that I wanted to impose my religious beliefs
on others.
I point out a fact, and you immediately try to make me say something
else. Typical of you when something you don't like is said.
Why not just admit that you're wrong instead of putting yourself in
the position of looking so dumb?
--
Bill Funk
replace "g" with "a"
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 16:41:54 -0500, "The Ancient One"
<onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
>> >They don't speak for any consumers I know. Consumer Reports is a joke,
>used
>> >by those people who lack the intelligence to invistigate an issue and
>learn
>> >the truth.
>> >
>> >
>> Yeah, what else to expect of the mind-set that thinks Fox News is "fair
>and
>> balanced"?
>
>I don't watch Fox news Loyd, why do you make up "facts" to support your
>lies?
>
Lloyd lives in a fantasy world where everyone adheres to his set of
preconceived notions.
It's obvious that he has very little experience of life outside the
hallowed halls of Emory.
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<onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
>> >They don't speak for any consumers I know. Consumer Reports is a joke,
>used
>> >by those people who lack the intelligence to invistigate an issue and
>learn
>> >the truth.
>> >
>> >
>> Yeah, what else to expect of the mind-set that thinks Fox News is "fair
>and
>> balanced"?
>
>I don't watch Fox news Loyd, why do you make up "facts" to support your
>lies?
>
Lloyd lives in a fantasy world where everyone adheres to his set of
preconceived notions.
It's obvious that he has very little experience of life outside the
hallowed halls of Emory.
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 16:41:54 -0500, "The Ancient One"
<onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
>> >They don't speak for any consumers I know. Consumer Reports is a joke,
>used
>> >by those people who lack the intelligence to invistigate an issue and
>learn
>> >the truth.
>> >
>> >
>> Yeah, what else to expect of the mind-set that thinks Fox News is "fair
>and
>> balanced"?
>
>I don't watch Fox news Loyd, why do you make up "facts" to support your
>lies?
>
Lloyd lives in a fantasy world where everyone adheres to his set of
preconceived notions.
It's obvious that he has very little experience of life outside the
hallowed halls of Emory.
--
Bill Funk
replace "g" with "a"
<onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
>> >They don't speak for any consumers I know. Consumer Reports is a joke,
>used
>> >by those people who lack the intelligence to invistigate an issue and
>learn
>> >the truth.
>> >
>> >
>> Yeah, what else to expect of the mind-set that thinks Fox News is "fair
>and
>> balanced"?
>
>I don't watch Fox news Loyd, why do you make up "facts" to support your
>lies?
>
Lloyd lives in a fantasy world where everyone adheres to his set of
preconceived notions.
It's obvious that he has very little experience of life outside the
hallowed halls of Emory.
--
Bill Funk
replace "g" with "a"
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 16:41:54 -0500, "The Ancient One"
<onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
>> >They don't speak for any consumers I know. Consumer Reports is a joke,
>used
>> >by those people who lack the intelligence to invistigate an issue and
>learn
>> >the truth.
>> >
>> >
>> Yeah, what else to expect of the mind-set that thinks Fox News is "fair
>and
>> balanced"?
>
>I don't watch Fox news Loyd, why do you make up "facts" to support your
>lies?
>
Lloyd lives in a fantasy world where everyone adheres to his set of
preconceived notions.
It's obvious that he has very little experience of life outside the
hallowed halls of Emory.
--
Bill Funk
replace "g" with "a"
<onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
>> >They don't speak for any consumers I know. Consumer Reports is a joke,
>used
>> >by those people who lack the intelligence to invistigate an issue and
>learn
>> >the truth.
>> >
>> >
>> Yeah, what else to expect of the mind-set that thinks Fox News is "fair
>and
>> balanced"?
>
>I don't watch Fox news Loyd, why do you make up "facts" to support your
>lies?
>
Lloyd lives in a fantasy world where everyone adheres to his set of
preconceived notions.
It's obvious that he has very little experience of life outside the
hallowed halls of Emory.
--
Bill Funk
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
On 5 Dec 2003 09:59:45 -0800, gzuckier@yahoo.com (z) wrote:
>Bill Funk <bfunk33@pipping.com> wrote in message news:<4tgpsv0qjj3fk9mq5t2goiuibmpnu8k64r@4ax.com>. ..
>> On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 05:17:32 GMT, "David J. Allen"
>> <dallen03NO_SPAM@sanNO_SPAM.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Reminds me of my experience in a country a few years ago that had "free"
>> >(i.e., rationed) medical care for all. The demand for care outstripped the
>> >supply and the only people who got decent medical care were the people with
>> >money, who could pay for a private doctor. Everyone else had to go wait in
>> >line at the clinic and hope for decent care.
>>
>> Well, Hillary's solution would have fixed that; any doctor caught
>> giving care outside the approved system would be liable to legal
>> prosecution, with penalties including fines, jail time & loss of
>> license.
>> A true utopia.
>
>Better now. Only doctors doing 'Partial Birth Abortions', whatever
>those may be, get fines, jail time & loss of license. Much better.
"whatever those may be..."?
You use it as an example, but don't know what it is?
--
Bill Funk
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>Bill Funk <bfunk33@pipping.com> wrote in message news:<4tgpsv0qjj3fk9mq5t2goiuibmpnu8k64r@4ax.com>. ..
>> On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 05:17:32 GMT, "David J. Allen"
>> <dallen03NO_SPAM@sanNO_SPAM.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Reminds me of my experience in a country a few years ago that had "free"
>> >(i.e., rationed) medical care for all. The demand for care outstripped the
>> >supply and the only people who got decent medical care were the people with
>> >money, who could pay for a private doctor. Everyone else had to go wait in
>> >line at the clinic and hope for decent care.
>>
>> Well, Hillary's solution would have fixed that; any doctor caught
>> giving care outside the approved system would be liable to legal
>> prosecution, with penalties including fines, jail time & loss of
>> license.
>> A true utopia.
>
>Better now. Only doctors doing 'Partial Birth Abortions', whatever
>those may be, get fines, jail time & loss of license. Much better.
"whatever those may be..."?
You use it as an example, but don't know what it is?
--
Bill Funk
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