Matthew Russotto wrote:
> In article <e7359b94e95c7b42780a15f66a4b4f62@news.teranews.co m>,
> Brandon Sommerville <grimrod@mindless.com.gov> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 13:24:57 -0600, russotto@grace.speakeasy.net
>>(Matthew Russotto) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In article <7dc396f584336d32b246a944411c15de@news.teranews.co m>,
>>>Brandon Sommerville <grimrod@mindless.com.gov> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I know that no matter what happens, if I blow out my knee I'm going to
>>>>get an MRI. It may take 8 weeks, but I'll get it and it won't cost me
>>>>anything extra. Can you say the same thing?
>>>
>>>Not exactly. In my case (hip rather than knee, but same idea), it was
>>>same day (first MRI) and later in the week (second MRI) and it still
>>>didn't cost me anything extra. There was no urgency in the medical
>>>sense. The more complex MRA did take a month, because it had to be
>>>scheduled with both the radiology department and the MRI center. No
>>>rationing involved.
>>
>>And if there was no one who needed an MRI I'd get one right away as
>>well.
>
>
> But in the US, we've got enough MRIs to service both the critical needs and
> the less-critical needs in a timely manner. Or do you want to hobble
> around in pain for 8 weeks longer? (or perhaps MUCH longer in my
> case, as it took three studies to diagnose the problem -- and then there's the
> issue of waiting periods for non-critical surgery in Canada)


Which wasn't really an issue until the last decade when massive cuts to
the system were carried out. If the funding was restored (yes, I know
it will cost me more money), this wouldn't be such a problem. Oh, there
was also the issue of cutting the enrolment at Medical Schools to reduce
the number of doctors out there. Seems they wanted 80% of the
physicians over 60 years old, uh-oh, now they are all retiring! What do
we do now??

Dan

 

"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
news:bqqa8n$ikt$30@puck.cc.emory.edu...
> In article <vsvrp5idlfb350@corp.supernews.com>,
> "The Ancient One" <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
> >
> >"Brandon Sommerville" <grimrod@mindless.com.gov> wrote in message
> >news:a4d8007431c8f5016340d8338b40feaa@news.terane ws.com...
> >> On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 19:41:18 -0500, "The Ancient One"
> >> <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >I have a friend who went to the Doctor for a routine physical. The
Doctor
> >> >did not like whaat he saw on the treadmill test and checked him into
the
> >> >hospital, where he had a balloon angioplasty that same afternoon. How
> >long
> >> >would he have waited "on the list" in Canada for the same treatment,
> >> >considering he was outwardly healthy and active. Would he have lived
that
> >> >long? How could he have been sure?
> >>
> >> That would depend on the doctor, wouldn't it? If the doctor realized
> >> that it was serious there's no reason why the angioplasty wouldn't
> >> have been performed.
> >
> >And yet, again, bus loads of people come to the US from Canada to have
> >procedures like this performed at their own expense raher than wait 6
months
> >for it in Canada.
>
> You are lying.

Brandon has just confirmed it with his reply to the same post, they do
indeed come here for treatment to avoid the wait in Canada. No one believes
a word you say Parker, so stop your lying.

>
>
> >Your claims do not explain why these people are not
> >receiving the free care you boast of.
>
> Because you're quoting an urban legend.

Nope, scientific fact. Your lies don't change that.

>
> >
> >>
> >> >I know if I need medical treatment I can get it, NOW, now later. To
me,
> >that
> >> >is important.
> >>
> >> Sure, if you can afford it. I can understand why you don't want to
> >> mess with the system when you can afford to benefit from it.
> >
> >Who can afford it. You pay for your health care with every paycheck
through
> >taxes, I pay insurance.
>
> A huge % have no insurance.

They can receive free care here when they need it, even the homeless get
free hospital care when needed. Sure improvements need to be made, but
scapping the system for a new one is not the answer.

>
>
> >If I could not afford insurance there are plenty of
> >options available that would still let me get treated immediately.
>
> Spoken like someone who's never been poor.

Been poor my whole life Lloyd, even now I'm barely scraping by week by week,
and I have more money now than ever before in my life. You drive a Mercedes
I here, I can't afford to, my newest vehicle is a 1991 I bought this summer
for $2500.00, a fortune to me. I still reject your "free" health care
because it reduces the quality and availability of care. As soon as The
Budget becomes the deciding factor in health care everyone loses.

>
>
> >The only
> >true difference is I will never be put on hold for a procedure because
there
> >is not enough money in the budget.
>
> You would if there's not enough money in your pocket.

There is nothing in the US Constitution to guarantee me health care, if I
get in a position where I can not get needed health care it is my fault,
because even now free care is available for those who need it.

>
> >
> >>
> >> >I really don't care how Canada does it, if you're happy great.
> >>
> >> Then why are you running it down?
> >
> >Because it is inferior, IMHO, to ours, and Liberals like Lloyd refuse to
see
> >it.
>
> Prove it. By all data, it's superior -- life expectancy, infant
mortality,
> etc. And it costs less.

The only way to cut cost is to cut service and quality Lloyd, even you know
that. There is no Data to support your opinion, any reduction in Life
expectancy is the result of the American lifestyle, working to much,
sleeping to little, eating wrong. It is as high as it is because our heaqlth
care system is the worlds finest, unlike you, who is the worlds worst lier
and fool.

>
> >
> >>
> >> >I'm just against Lloyd and his cronies trying to change ours, which
would
> >> >stifle it, and lower the quaility of care for everyone, including
> >Canadians.
> >>
> >> It can't lower the quality of care for everyone, as some have
> >> effectively no care at all.
> >
> >Everyone has care available in the US if they need it.
>
> Total, flat-out LIE.

Yes, your statement is. Even the homeless, with zero money in their pockets,
can get treatment when they need it.

 

"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
news:bqqa8n$ikt$30@puck.cc.emory.edu...
> In article <vsvrp5idlfb350@corp.supernews.com>,
> "The Ancient One" <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
> >
> >"Brandon Sommerville" <grimrod@mindless.com.gov> wrote in message
> >news:a4d8007431c8f5016340d8338b40feaa@news.terane ws.com...
> >> On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 19:41:18 -0500, "The Ancient One"
> >> <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >I have a friend who went to the Doctor for a routine physical. The
Doctor
> >> >did not like whaat he saw on the treadmill test and checked him into
the
> >> >hospital, where he had a balloon angioplasty that same afternoon. How
> >long
> >> >would he have waited "on the list" in Canada for the same treatment,
> >> >considering he was outwardly healthy and active. Would he have lived
that
> >> >long? How could he have been sure?
> >>
> >> That would depend on the doctor, wouldn't it? If the doctor realized
> >> that it was serious there's no reason why the angioplasty wouldn't
> >> have been performed.
> >
> >And yet, again, bus loads of people come to the US from Canada to have
> >procedures like this performed at their own expense raher than wait 6
months
> >for it in Canada.
>
> You are lying.

Brandon has just confirmed it with his reply to the same post, they do
indeed come here for treatment to avoid the wait in Canada. No one believes
a word you say Parker, so stop your lying.

>
>
> >Your claims do not explain why these people are not
> >receiving the free care you boast of.
>
> Because you're quoting an urban legend.

Nope, scientific fact. Your lies don't change that.

>
> >
> >>
> >> >I know if I need medical treatment I can get it, NOW, now later. To
me,
> >that
> >> >is important.
> >>
> >> Sure, if you can afford it. I can understand why you don't want to
> >> mess with the system when you can afford to benefit from it.
> >
> >Who can afford it. You pay for your health care with every paycheck
through
> >taxes, I pay insurance.
>
> A huge % have no insurance.

They can receive free care here when they need it, even the homeless get
free hospital care when needed. Sure improvements need to be made, but
scapping the system for a new one is not the answer.

>
>
> >If I could not afford insurance there are plenty of
> >options available that would still let me get treated immediately.
>
> Spoken like someone who's never been poor.

Been poor my whole life Lloyd, even now I'm barely scraping by week by week,
and I have more money now than ever before in my life. You drive a Mercedes
I here, I can't afford to, my newest vehicle is a 1991 I bought this summer
for $2500.00, a fortune to me. I still reject your "free" health care
because it reduces the quality and availability of care. As soon as The
Budget becomes the deciding factor in health care everyone loses.

>
>
> >The only
> >true difference is I will never be put on hold for a procedure because
there
> >is not enough money in the budget.
>
> You would if there's not enough money in your pocket.

There is nothing in the US Constitution to guarantee me health care, if I
get in a position where I can not get needed health care it is my fault,
because even now free care is available for those who need it.

>
> >
> >>
> >> >I really don't care how Canada does it, if you're happy great.
> >>
> >> Then why are you running it down?
> >
> >Because it is inferior, IMHO, to ours, and Liberals like Lloyd refuse to
see
> >it.
>
> Prove it. By all data, it's superior -- life expectancy, infant
mortality,
> etc. And it costs less.

The only way to cut cost is to cut service and quality Lloyd, even you know
that. There is no Data to support your opinion, any reduction in Life
expectancy is the result of the American lifestyle, working to much,
sleeping to little, eating wrong. It is as high as it is because our heaqlth
care system is the worlds finest, unlike you, who is the worlds worst lier
and fool.

>
> >
> >>
> >> >I'm just against Lloyd and his cronies trying to change ours, which
would
> >> >stifle it, and lower the quaility of care for everyone, including
> >Canadians.
> >>
> >> It can't lower the quality of care for everyone, as some have
> >> effectively no care at all.
> >
> >Everyone has care available in the US if they need it.
>
> Total, flat-out LIE.

Yes, your statement is. Even the homeless, with zero money in their pockets,
can get treatment when they need it.

 

"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
news:bqqa8n$ikt$30@puck.cc.emory.edu...
> In article <vsvrp5idlfb350@corp.supernews.com>,
> "The Ancient One" <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
> >
> >"Brandon Sommerville" <grimrod@mindless.com.gov> wrote in message
> >news:a4d8007431c8f5016340d8338b40feaa@news.terane ws.com...
> >> On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 19:41:18 -0500, "The Ancient One"
> >> <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >I have a friend who went to the Doctor for a routine physical. The
Doctor
> >> >did not like whaat he saw on the treadmill test and checked him into
the
> >> >hospital, where he had a balloon angioplasty that same afternoon. How
> >long
> >> >would he have waited "on the list" in Canada for the same treatment,
> >> >considering he was outwardly healthy and active. Would he have lived
that
> >> >long? How could he have been sure?
> >>
> >> That would depend on the doctor, wouldn't it? If the doctor realized
> >> that it was serious there's no reason why the angioplasty wouldn't
> >> have been performed.
> >
> >And yet, again, bus loads of people come to the US from Canada to have
> >procedures like this performed at their own expense raher than wait 6
months
> >for it in Canada.
>
> You are lying.

Brandon has just confirmed it with his reply to the same post, they do
indeed come here for treatment to avoid the wait in Canada. No one believes
a word you say Parker, so stop your lying.

>
>
> >Your claims do not explain why these people are not
> >receiving the free care you boast of.
>
> Because you're quoting an urban legend.

Nope, scientific fact. Your lies don't change that.

>
> >
> >>
> >> >I know if I need medical treatment I can get it, NOW, now later. To
me,
> >that
> >> >is important.
> >>
> >> Sure, if you can afford it. I can understand why you don't want to
> >> mess with the system when you can afford to benefit from it.
> >
> >Who can afford it. You pay for your health care with every paycheck
through
> >taxes, I pay insurance.
>
> A huge % have no insurance.

They can receive free care here when they need it, even the homeless get
free hospital care when needed. Sure improvements need to be made, but
scapping the system for a new one is not the answer.

>
>
> >If I could not afford insurance there are plenty of
> >options available that would still let me get treated immediately.
>
> Spoken like someone who's never been poor.

Been poor my whole life Lloyd, even now I'm barely scraping by week by week,
and I have more money now than ever before in my life. You drive a Mercedes
I here, I can't afford to, my newest vehicle is a 1991 I bought this summer
for $2500.00, a fortune to me. I still reject your "free" health care
because it reduces the quality and availability of care. As soon as The
Budget becomes the deciding factor in health care everyone loses.

>
>
> >The only
> >true difference is I will never be put on hold for a procedure because
there
> >is not enough money in the budget.
>
> You would if there's not enough money in your pocket.

There is nothing in the US Constitution to guarantee me health care, if I
get in a position where I can not get needed health care it is my fault,
because even now free care is available for those who need it.

>
> >
> >>
> >> >I really don't care how Canada does it, if you're happy great.
> >>
> >> Then why are you running it down?
> >
> >Because it is inferior, IMHO, to ours, and Liberals like Lloyd refuse to
see
> >it.
>
> Prove it. By all data, it's superior -- life expectancy, infant
mortality,
> etc. And it costs less.

The only way to cut cost is to cut service and quality Lloyd, even you know
that. There is no Data to support your opinion, any reduction in Life
expectancy is the result of the American lifestyle, working to much,
sleeping to little, eating wrong. It is as high as it is because our heaqlth
care system is the worlds finest, unlike you, who is the worlds worst lier
and fool.

>
> >
> >>
> >> >I'm just against Lloyd and his cronies trying to change ours, which
would
> >> >stifle it, and lower the quaility of care for everyone, including
> >Canadians.
> >>
> >> It can't lower the quality of care for everyone, as some have
> >> effectively no care at all.
> >
> >Everyone has care available in the US if they need it.
>
> Total, flat-out LIE.

Yes, your statement is. Even the homeless, with zero money in their pockets,
can get treatment when they need it.

 

"z" <gzuckier@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Nothing in your post worth reading.

 

"z" <gzuckier@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:b5b4685f.0312050932.12042a18@posting.google.c om...

Nothing in your post worth reading.

 

"z" <gzuckier@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:b5b4685f.0312050932.12042a18@posting.google.c om...

Nothing in your post worth reading.

 

"Brandon Sommerville" <grimrod@mindless.com.gov> wrote in message
news:b476cfa59405dcfe6bdc1b0c08b21fba@news.teranew s.com...
> On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 21:36:20 -0500, "The Ancient One"
> <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Brandon Sommerville" <grimrod@mindless.com.gov> wrote in message
> >news:a4d8007431c8f5016340d8338b40feaa@news.terane ws.com...
>
> >> That would depend on the doctor, wouldn't it? If the doctor realized
> >> that it was serious there's no reason why the angioplasty wouldn't
> >> have been performed.
> >
> >And yet, again, bus loads of people come to the US from Canada to have
> >procedures like this performed at their own expense raher than wait 6
months
> >for it in Canada. Your claims do not explain why these people are not
> >receiving the free care you boast of.
>
> No system is ideal and some people would rather pay for service now
> than have it in six months for free.

Thank you, that is the point I have been trying to make from the start. If
the US changed it's system to mimic yours then those people would lose the
option of coming here, and they would suffer for it. If you are diagnosed
early then you have a much better chance of a full recovery with early
treatment, in Canada you may have to wait for treatment, which reduces your
chances of a successful cure, that is why those people choose to come here
at their own expense.
I'm through discussing it though, I don't see it advancing any further and
we are upsetting the youngsters, who are threatening to tell their Mommies
on us. Peace and Happy Holidays man, pleasure discussing this with a
rational person, as opposed to LLoyd, who has never had a rational thought
in his life. ;-)

>
> >> Sure, if you can afford it. I can understand why you don't want to
> >> mess with the system when you can afford to benefit from it.
> >
> >Who can afford it. You pay for your health care with every paycheck
through
> >taxes, I pay insurance. If I could not afford insurance there are plenty
of
> >options available that would still let me get treated immediately. The
only
> >true difference is I will never be put on hold for a procedure because
there
> >is not enough money in the budget.
>
> If the procedure is urgent, it gets done. Simple as that.
>
> >> >I really don't care how Canada does it, if you're happy great.
> >>
> >> Then why are you running it down?
> >
> >Because it is inferior, IMHO, to ours, and Liberals like Lloyd refuse to
see
> >it.
>
> If you're wealthy it may be inferior, if you're not, it isn't. My
> step-father in Florida pays about $800/month in insurance costs!
>
> >> >I'm just against Lloyd and his cronies trying to change ours, which
would
> >> >stifle it, and lower the quaility of care for everyone, including
> >Canadians.
> >>
> >> It can't lower the quality of care for everyone, as some have
> >> effectively no care at all.
> >
> >Everyone has care available in the US if they need it.
>
> Yeah, they're just presented a nice whopping bill at the end of it.
> --
> Brandon Sommerville
> remove ".gov" to e-mail
>
> Definition of "Lottery":
> Millions of stupid people contributing
> to make one stupid person look smart.

 

"Brandon Sommerville" <grimrod@mindless.com.gov> wrote in message
news:b476cfa59405dcfe6bdc1b0c08b21fba@news.teranew s.com...
> On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 21:36:20 -0500, "The Ancient One"
> <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Brandon Sommerville" <grimrod@mindless.com.gov> wrote in message
> >news:a4d8007431c8f5016340d8338b40feaa@news.terane ws.com...
>
> >> That would depend on the doctor, wouldn't it? If the doctor realized
> >> that it was serious there's no reason why the angioplasty wouldn't
> >> have been performed.
> >
> >And yet, again, bus loads of people come to the US from Canada to have
> >procedures like this performed at their own expense raher than wait 6
months
> >for it in Canada. Your claims do not explain why these people are not
> >receiving the free care you boast of.
>
> No system is ideal and some people would rather pay for service now
> than have it in six months for free.

Thank you, that is the point I have been trying to make from the start. If
the US changed it's system to mimic yours then those people would lose the
option of coming here, and they would suffer for it. If you are diagnosed
early then you have a much better chance of a full recovery with early
treatment, in Canada you may have to wait for treatment, which reduces your
chances of a successful cure, that is why those people choose to come here
at their own expense.
I'm through discussing it though, I don't see it advancing any further and
we are upsetting the youngsters, who are threatening to tell their Mommies
on us. Peace and Happy Holidays man, pleasure discussing this with a
rational person, as opposed to LLoyd, who has never had a rational thought
in his life. ;-)

>
> >> Sure, if you can afford it. I can understand why you don't want to
> >> mess with the system when you can afford to benefit from it.
> >
> >Who can afford it. You pay for your health care with every paycheck
through
> >taxes, I pay insurance. If I could not afford insurance there are plenty
of
> >options available that would still let me get treated immediately. The
only
> >true difference is I will never be put on hold for a procedure because
there
> >is not enough money in the budget.
>
> If the procedure is urgent, it gets done. Simple as that.
>
> >> >I really don't care how Canada does it, if you're happy great.
> >>
> >> Then why are you running it down?
> >
> >Because it is inferior, IMHO, to ours, and Liberals like Lloyd refuse to
see
> >it.
>
> If you're wealthy it may be inferior, if you're not, it isn't. My
> step-father in Florida pays about $800/month in insurance costs!
>
> >> >I'm just against Lloyd and his cronies trying to change ours, which
would
> >> >stifle it, and lower the quaility of care for everyone, including
> >Canadians.
> >>
> >> It can't lower the quality of care for everyone, as some have
> >> effectively no care at all.
> >
> >Everyone has care available in the US if they need it.
>
> Yeah, they're just presented a nice whopping bill at the end of it.
> --
> Brandon Sommerville
> remove ".gov" to e-mail
>
> Definition of "Lottery":
> Millions of stupid people contributing
> to make one stupid person look smart.

 

"Brandon Sommerville" <grimrod@mindless.com.gov> wrote in message
news:b476cfa59405dcfe6bdc1b0c08b21fba@news.teranew s.com...
> On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 21:36:20 -0500, "The Ancient One"
> <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Brandon Sommerville" <grimrod@mindless.com.gov> wrote in message
> >news:a4d8007431c8f5016340d8338b40feaa@news.terane ws.com...
>
> >> That would depend on the doctor, wouldn't it? If the doctor realized
> >> that it was serious there's no reason why the angioplasty wouldn't
> >> have been performed.
> >
> >And yet, again, bus loads of people come to the US from Canada to have
> >procedures like this performed at their own expense raher than wait 6
months
> >for it in Canada. Your claims do not explain why these people are not
> >receiving the free care you boast of.
>
> No system is ideal and some people would rather pay for service now
> than have it in six months for free.

Thank you, that is the point I have been trying to make from the start. If
the US changed it's system to mimic yours then those people would lose the
option of coming here, and they would suffer for it. If you are diagnosed
early then you have a much better chance of a full recovery with early
treatment, in Canada you may have to wait for treatment, which reduces your
chances of a successful cure, that is why those people choose to come here
at their own expense.
I'm through discussing it though, I don't see it advancing any further and
we are upsetting the youngsters, who are threatening to tell their Mommies
on us. Peace and Happy Holidays man, pleasure discussing this with a
rational person, as opposed to LLoyd, who has never had a rational thought
in his life. ;-)

>
> >> Sure, if you can afford it. I can understand why you don't want to
> >> mess with the system when you can afford to benefit from it.
> >
> >Who can afford it. You pay for your health care with every paycheck
through
> >taxes, I pay insurance. If I could not afford insurance there are plenty
of
> >options available that would still let me get treated immediately. The
only
> >true difference is I will never be put on hold for a procedure because
there
> >is not enough money in the budget.
>
> If the procedure is urgent, it gets done. Simple as that.
>
> >> >I really don't care how Canada does it, if you're happy great.
> >>
> >> Then why are you running it down?
> >
> >Because it is inferior, IMHO, to ours, and Liberals like Lloyd refuse to
see
> >it.
>
> If you're wealthy it may be inferior, if you're not, it isn't. My
> step-father in Florida pays about $800/month in insurance costs!
>
> >> >I'm just against Lloyd and his cronies trying to change ours, which
would
> >> >stifle it, and lower the quaility of care for everyone, including
> >Canadians.
> >>
> >> It can't lower the quality of care for everyone, as some have
> >> effectively no care at all.
> >
> >Everyone has care available in the US if they need it.
>
> Yeah, they're just presented a nice whopping bill at the end of it.
> --
> Brandon Sommerville
> remove ".gov" to e-mail
>
> Definition of "Lottery":
> Millions of stupid people contributing
> to make one stupid person look smart.