Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
"C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<3FA6A6C2.670B2F9D@mindspring.com>...
> Jonesy wrote:
>
> > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message news:<bnuuae0m7h@enews4.newsguy.com>...
> > > Or, an idealist who gets his first pay check and realizes he's just spent
> > > 50% of his time working for the Government.
> >
> > Yet another right-wing lie.
> >
> > No beginning worker spends even half that amount to The Government.
>
> In defense of Gerald, it dpends on your loaction and the starting pay. I'd guess some engineers in high
> tax staes could be approaching 50% when you include Social Security (both sides, not just "your half") and
> state and city taxes.
Well, heck, if you're going to throw in EVERYTHING, then that sort of
eliminates the "paycheck" portion of Gerald's lie.
The fact is that the consumer pays all the taxes of the companies from
which s/he buys, plus their own. If you add it all up, then yeah, you
can make the claim that we are taxed at some 50% (or whatever
arbitrary number can be picked from a hat.)
But nobody is actually taxed at that rate from The Government.
Especially just starting out - even an engineer.
> And if you include all the taxes you pay, both direct annd indirect, I'd guess a lot
> of people pay more than 50% of their income to various governments.
It wasn't "governements" but "The Government."
And does anyone really think that taxes have been reduced by the
current administration? Maybe the very same folks who believe their
income is increased when they use a credit card...
--
Jonesy
> Jonesy wrote:
>
> > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message news:<bnuuae0m7h@enews4.newsguy.com>...
> > > Or, an idealist who gets his first pay check and realizes he's just spent
> > > 50% of his time working for the Government.
> >
> > Yet another right-wing lie.
> >
> > No beginning worker spends even half that amount to The Government.
>
> In defense of Gerald, it dpends on your loaction and the starting pay. I'd guess some engineers in high
> tax staes could be approaching 50% when you include Social Security (both sides, not just "your half") and
> state and city taxes.
Well, heck, if you're going to throw in EVERYTHING, then that sort of
eliminates the "paycheck" portion of Gerald's lie.
The fact is that the consumer pays all the taxes of the companies from
which s/he buys, plus their own. If you add it all up, then yeah, you
can make the claim that we are taxed at some 50% (or whatever
arbitrary number can be picked from a hat.)
But nobody is actually taxed at that rate from The Government.
Especially just starting out - even an engineer.
> And if you include all the taxes you pay, both direct annd indirect, I'd guess a lot
> of people pay more than 50% of their income to various governments.
It wasn't "governements" but "The Government."
And does anyone really think that taxes have been reduced by the
current administration? Maybe the very same folks who believe their
income is increased when they use a credit card...
--
Jonesy
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
"C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<3FA6A6C2.670B2F9D@mindspring.com>...
> Jonesy wrote:
>
> > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message news:<bnuuae0m7h@enews4.newsguy.com>...
> > > Or, an idealist who gets his first pay check and realizes he's just spent
> > > 50% of his time working for the Government.
> >
> > Yet another right-wing lie.
> >
> > No beginning worker spends even half that amount to The Government.
>
> In defense of Gerald, it dpends on your loaction and the starting pay. I'd guess some engineers in high
> tax staes could be approaching 50% when you include Social Security (both sides, not just "your half") and
> state and city taxes.
Well, heck, if you're going to throw in EVERYTHING, then that sort of
eliminates the "paycheck" portion of Gerald's lie.
The fact is that the consumer pays all the taxes of the companies from
which s/he buys, plus their own. If you add it all up, then yeah, you
can make the claim that we are taxed at some 50% (or whatever
arbitrary number can be picked from a hat.)
But nobody is actually taxed at that rate from The Government.
Especially just starting out - even an engineer.
> And if you include all the taxes you pay, both direct annd indirect, I'd guess a lot
> of people pay more than 50% of their income to various governments.
It wasn't "governements" but "The Government."
And does anyone really think that taxes have been reduced by the
current administration? Maybe the very same folks who believe their
income is increased when they use a credit card...
--
Jonesy
> Jonesy wrote:
>
> > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message news:<bnuuae0m7h@enews4.newsguy.com>...
> > > Or, an idealist who gets his first pay check and realizes he's just spent
> > > 50% of his time working for the Government.
> >
> > Yet another right-wing lie.
> >
> > No beginning worker spends even half that amount to The Government.
>
> In defense of Gerald, it dpends on your loaction and the starting pay. I'd guess some engineers in high
> tax staes could be approaching 50% when you include Social Security (both sides, not just "your half") and
> state and city taxes.
Well, heck, if you're going to throw in EVERYTHING, then that sort of
eliminates the "paycheck" portion of Gerald's lie.
The fact is that the consumer pays all the taxes of the companies from
which s/he buys, plus their own. If you add it all up, then yeah, you
can make the claim that we are taxed at some 50% (or whatever
arbitrary number can be picked from a hat.)
But nobody is actually taxed at that rate from The Government.
Especially just starting out - even an engineer.
> And if you include all the taxes you pay, both direct annd indirect, I'd guess a lot
> of people pay more than 50% of their income to various governments.
It wasn't "governements" but "The Government."
And does anyone really think that taxes have been reduced by the
current administration? Maybe the very same folks who believe their
income is increased when they use a credit card...
--
Jonesy
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
"C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<3FA6A6C2.670B2F9D@mindspring.com>...
> Jonesy wrote:
>
> > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message news:<bnuuae0m7h@enews4.newsguy.com>...
> > > Or, an idealist who gets his first pay check and realizes he's just spent
> > > 50% of his time working for the Government.
> >
> > Yet another right-wing lie.
> >
> > No beginning worker spends even half that amount to The Government.
>
> In defense of Gerald, it dpends on your loaction and the starting pay. I'd guess some engineers in high
> tax staes could be approaching 50% when you include Social Security (both sides, not just "your half") and
> state and city taxes.
Well, heck, if you're going to throw in EVERYTHING, then that sort of
eliminates the "paycheck" portion of Gerald's lie.
The fact is that the consumer pays all the taxes of the companies from
which s/he buys, plus their own. If you add it all up, then yeah, you
can make the claim that we are taxed at some 50% (or whatever
arbitrary number can be picked from a hat.)
But nobody is actually taxed at that rate from The Government.
Especially just starting out - even an engineer.
> And if you include all the taxes you pay, both direct annd indirect, I'd guess a lot
> of people pay more than 50% of their income to various governments.
It wasn't "governements" but "The Government."
And does anyone really think that taxes have been reduced by the
current administration? Maybe the very same folks who believe their
income is increased when they use a credit card...
--
Jonesy
> Jonesy wrote:
>
> > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message news:<bnuuae0m7h@enews4.newsguy.com>...
> > > Or, an idealist who gets his first pay check and realizes he's just spent
> > > 50% of his time working for the Government.
> >
> > Yet another right-wing lie.
> >
> > No beginning worker spends even half that amount to The Government.
>
> In defense of Gerald, it dpends on your loaction and the starting pay. I'd guess some engineers in high
> tax staes could be approaching 50% when you include Social Security (both sides, not just "your half") and
> state and city taxes.
Well, heck, if you're going to throw in EVERYTHING, then that sort of
eliminates the "paycheck" portion of Gerald's lie.
The fact is that the consumer pays all the taxes of the companies from
which s/he buys, plus their own. If you add it all up, then yeah, you
can make the claim that we are taxed at some 50% (or whatever
arbitrary number can be picked from a hat.)
But nobody is actually taxed at that rate from The Government.
Especially just starting out - even an engineer.
> And if you include all the taxes you pay, both direct annd indirect, I'd guess a lot
> of people pay more than 50% of their income to various governments.
It wasn't "governements" but "The Government."
And does anyone really think that taxes have been reduced by the
current administration? Maybe the very same folks who believe their
income is increased when they use a credit card...
--
Jonesy
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
> But nobody is actually taxed at that rate from The Government. Especially
just starting out - even an engineer. <
You are an idiot! Of course you have to add ALL the taxes together, what,
the non-Fed taxes isn't money taken away from you? Sheezus, do you :Liberals
think everyone's stupid!??
Living in an urban area of this Country a moderate income family will pay
28-31% Federal, 6.5-8% State, 3 - 7% City, 6.2% FICA amd 1.4% Medicare (and
that does not include the other 7.5% FICA/Medicare paid by their employer on
their behalf...that's not a tax on the employer, it's booked income to the
employee, paid to the government as a TAX, stupid). Then lets add in
property tax (if you're lucky enough to have anything left with which to pay
a mortgage) which in the East can run more than the mortgage payment each
month. Taxes thus run 55% or higher EASILY on a moderate income.
Wanna have a shock, my bushy-tailed, idealistic young College grad? Plug
some numbers into Turbo Tax sometimes and see whats going to happen to you
as your career advances and you get some raises! Easily 50% of every dollar
you make will be gone to taxes somewhere.
Where do you think all your liberal lies & schemes fall apart? At the ballot
box, dummy, after everyone realizes "the rich" the Democrats (and some of
their Republican buddies) talk about are really the middle class, trying to
buy a house (or, even save the down payment while they pay $2k a month for a
little aprtment somewhere), save for their kids college and their own
retirement.
Screw You and your liberal smoke & mirror "taxes on the rich" --------,
pal!!! Everyone has seen through this scam.
just starting out - even an engineer. <
You are an idiot! Of course you have to add ALL the taxes together, what,
the non-Fed taxes isn't money taken away from you? Sheezus, do you :Liberals
think everyone's stupid!??
Living in an urban area of this Country a moderate income family will pay
28-31% Federal, 6.5-8% State, 3 - 7% City, 6.2% FICA amd 1.4% Medicare (and
that does not include the other 7.5% FICA/Medicare paid by their employer on
their behalf...that's not a tax on the employer, it's booked income to the
employee, paid to the government as a TAX, stupid). Then lets add in
property tax (if you're lucky enough to have anything left with which to pay
a mortgage) which in the East can run more than the mortgage payment each
month. Taxes thus run 55% or higher EASILY on a moderate income.
Wanna have a shock, my bushy-tailed, idealistic young College grad? Plug
some numbers into Turbo Tax sometimes and see whats going to happen to you
as your career advances and you get some raises! Easily 50% of every dollar
you make will be gone to taxes somewhere.
Where do you think all your liberal lies & schemes fall apart? At the ballot
box, dummy, after everyone realizes "the rich" the Democrats (and some of
their Republican buddies) talk about are really the middle class, trying to
buy a house (or, even save the down payment while they pay $2k a month for a
little aprtment somewhere), save for their kids college and their own
retirement.
Screw You and your liberal smoke & mirror "taxes on the rich" --------,
pal!!! Everyone has seen through this scam.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
> But nobody is actually taxed at that rate from The Government. Especially
just starting out - even an engineer. <
You are an idiot! Of course you have to add ALL the taxes together, what,
the non-Fed taxes isn't money taken away from you? Sheezus, do you :Liberals
think everyone's stupid!??
Living in an urban area of this Country a moderate income family will pay
28-31% Federal, 6.5-8% State, 3 - 7% City, 6.2% FICA amd 1.4% Medicare (and
that does not include the other 7.5% FICA/Medicare paid by their employer on
their behalf...that's not a tax on the employer, it's booked income to the
employee, paid to the government as a TAX, stupid). Then lets add in
property tax (if you're lucky enough to have anything left with which to pay
a mortgage) which in the East can run more than the mortgage payment each
month. Taxes thus run 55% or higher EASILY on a moderate income.
Wanna have a shock, my bushy-tailed, idealistic young College grad? Plug
some numbers into Turbo Tax sometimes and see whats going to happen to you
as your career advances and you get some raises! Easily 50% of every dollar
you make will be gone to taxes somewhere.
Where do you think all your liberal lies & schemes fall apart? At the ballot
box, dummy, after everyone realizes "the rich" the Democrats (and some of
their Republican buddies) talk about are really the middle class, trying to
buy a house (or, even save the down payment while they pay $2k a month for a
little aprtment somewhere), save for their kids college and their own
retirement.
Screw You and your liberal smoke & mirror "taxes on the rich" --------,
pal!!! Everyone has seen through this scam.
just starting out - even an engineer. <
You are an idiot! Of course you have to add ALL the taxes together, what,
the non-Fed taxes isn't money taken away from you? Sheezus, do you :Liberals
think everyone's stupid!??
Living in an urban area of this Country a moderate income family will pay
28-31% Federal, 6.5-8% State, 3 - 7% City, 6.2% FICA amd 1.4% Medicare (and
that does not include the other 7.5% FICA/Medicare paid by their employer on
their behalf...that's not a tax on the employer, it's booked income to the
employee, paid to the government as a TAX, stupid). Then lets add in
property tax (if you're lucky enough to have anything left with which to pay
a mortgage) which in the East can run more than the mortgage payment each
month. Taxes thus run 55% or higher EASILY on a moderate income.
Wanna have a shock, my bushy-tailed, idealistic young College grad? Plug
some numbers into Turbo Tax sometimes and see whats going to happen to you
as your career advances and you get some raises! Easily 50% of every dollar
you make will be gone to taxes somewhere.
Where do you think all your liberal lies & schemes fall apart? At the ballot
box, dummy, after everyone realizes "the rich" the Democrats (and some of
their Republican buddies) talk about are really the middle class, trying to
buy a house (or, even save the down payment while they pay $2k a month for a
little aprtment somewhere), save for their kids college and their own
retirement.
Screw You and your liberal smoke & mirror "taxes on the rich" --------,
pal!!! Everyone has seen through this scam.
Guest
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
> But nobody is actually taxed at that rate from The Government. Especially
just starting out - even an engineer. <
You are an idiot! Of course you have to add ALL the taxes together, what,
the non-Fed taxes isn't money taken away from you? Sheezus, do you :Liberals
think everyone's stupid!??
Living in an urban area of this Country a moderate income family will pay
28-31% Federal, 6.5-8% State, 3 - 7% City, 6.2% FICA amd 1.4% Medicare (and
that does not include the other 7.5% FICA/Medicare paid by their employer on
their behalf...that's not a tax on the employer, it's booked income to the
employee, paid to the government as a TAX, stupid). Then lets add in
property tax (if you're lucky enough to have anything left with which to pay
a mortgage) which in the East can run more than the mortgage payment each
month. Taxes thus run 55% or higher EASILY on a moderate income.
Wanna have a shock, my bushy-tailed, idealistic young College grad? Plug
some numbers into Turbo Tax sometimes and see whats going to happen to you
as your career advances and you get some raises! Easily 50% of every dollar
you make will be gone to taxes somewhere.
Where do you think all your liberal lies & schemes fall apart? At the ballot
box, dummy, after everyone realizes "the rich" the Democrats (and some of
their Republican buddies) talk about are really the middle class, trying to
buy a house (or, even save the down payment while they pay $2k a month for a
little aprtment somewhere), save for their kids college and their own
retirement.
Screw You and your liberal smoke & mirror "taxes on the rich" --------,
pal!!! Everyone has seen through this scam.
just starting out - even an engineer. <
You are an idiot! Of course you have to add ALL the taxes together, what,
the non-Fed taxes isn't money taken away from you? Sheezus, do you :Liberals
think everyone's stupid!??
Living in an urban area of this Country a moderate income family will pay
28-31% Federal, 6.5-8% State, 3 - 7% City, 6.2% FICA amd 1.4% Medicare (and
that does not include the other 7.5% FICA/Medicare paid by their employer on
their behalf...that's not a tax on the employer, it's booked income to the
employee, paid to the government as a TAX, stupid). Then lets add in
property tax (if you're lucky enough to have anything left with which to pay
a mortgage) which in the East can run more than the mortgage payment each
month. Taxes thus run 55% or higher EASILY on a moderate income.
Wanna have a shock, my bushy-tailed, idealistic young College grad? Plug
some numbers into Turbo Tax sometimes and see whats going to happen to you
as your career advances and you get some raises! Easily 50% of every dollar
you make will be gone to taxes somewhere.
Where do you think all your liberal lies & schemes fall apart? At the ballot
box, dummy, after everyone realizes "the rich" the Democrats (and some of
their Republican buddies) talk about are really the middle class, trying to
buy a house (or, even save the down payment while they pay $2k a month for a
little aprtment somewhere), save for their kids college and their own
retirement.
Screw You and your liberal smoke & mirror "taxes on the rich" --------,
pal!!! Everyone has seen through this scam.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
> What it really gets down to is too many people. Not having enough
resources to go around will IMO constrain human activity earlier than
anything else. >
Bravo! Who'll be the first gallant politician to suggest population control?
Not a Democrat (for sure!) or Republican, thye need the votes.
resources to go around will IMO constrain human activity earlier than
anything else. >
Bravo! Who'll be the first gallant politician to suggest population control?
Not a Democrat (for sure!) or Republican, thye need the votes.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
> What it really gets down to is too many people. Not having enough
resources to go around will IMO constrain human activity earlier than
anything else. >
Bravo! Who'll be the first gallant politician to suggest population control?
Not a Democrat (for sure!) or Republican, thye need the votes.
resources to go around will IMO constrain human activity earlier than
anything else. >
Bravo! Who'll be the first gallant politician to suggest population control?
Not a Democrat (for sure!) or Republican, thye need the votes.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
> What it really gets down to is too many people. Not having enough
resources to go around will IMO constrain human activity earlier than
anything else. >
Bravo! Who'll be the first gallant politician to suggest population control?
Not a Democrat (for sure!) or Republican, thye need the votes.
resources to go around will IMO constrain human activity earlier than
anything else. >
Bravo! Who'll be the first gallant politician to suggest population control?
Not a Democrat (for sure!) or Republican, thye need the votes.