bowgus

Geez ... that's all I need? And I went and bought a jeep. About ethonal ...
it absorbs water (as does "gas line antifreeze") and can eventually become
super saturated, and then ... it dumps all the water it has absorbed ... doh
.... forget that. Got a good battery, use good winter blend fuel, use the
block heater ... had many vehicles, jeeps are just plain ... ornary :-)


"Chris" <user@telus.net> wrote in message
news:bbob0017ll9t5imhd7v7jbu1uvacmag4cp@4ax.com...
> >-30 C or so here to-day, out of the house at 5:30 to head out ... rrrr
....
> >sputter sputter ... rrrr. Won't fire up ... battery's getting low ... go
get
> >the charger, set it to 60 amps ... wait, try again. Oh yeah '96 Cherokee,
>
> Solution: Get a good battery, Use fuel line anti-freeze or ethonal
> blended gas, and use the block heater that is what
> it's for..

bowgus

Geez ... that's all I need? And I went and bought a jeep. About ethonal ...
it absorbs water (as does "gas line antifreeze") and can eventually become
super saturated, and then ... it dumps all the water it has absorbed ... doh
.... forget that. Got a good battery, use good winter blend fuel, use the
block heater ... had many vehicles, jeeps are just plain ... ornary :-)


"Chris" <user@telus.net> wrote in message
news:bbob0017ll9t5imhd7v7jbu1uvacmag4cp@4ax.com...
> >-30 C or so here to-day, out of the house at 5:30 to head out ... rrrr
....
> >sputter sputter ... rrrr. Won't fire up ... battery's getting low ... go
get
> >the charger, set it to 60 amps ... wait, try again. Oh yeah '96 Cherokee,
>
> Solution: Get a good battery, Use fuel line anti-freeze or ethonal
> blended gas, and use the block heater that is what
> it's for..

bowgus

Geez ... that's all I need? And I went and bought a jeep. About ethonal ...
it absorbs water (as does "gas line antifreeze") and can eventually become
super saturated, and then ... it dumps all the water it has absorbed ... doh
.... forget that. Got a good battery, use good winter blend fuel, use the
block heater ... had many vehicles, jeeps are just plain ... ornary :-)


"Chris" <user@telus.net> wrote in message
news:bbob0017ll9t5imhd7v7jbu1uvacmag4cp@4ax.com...
> >-30 C or so here to-day, out of the house at 5:30 to head out ... rrrr
....
> >sputter sputter ... rrrr. Won't fire up ... battery's getting low ... go
get
> >the charger, set it to 60 amps ... wait, try again. Oh yeah '96 Cherokee,
>
> Solution: Get a good battery, Use fuel line anti-freeze or ethonal
> blended gas, and use the block heater that is what
> it's for..

bowgus

Yeah ... my old Saab had mechanical fuel injection ... and a 5th injector as
cold start. To tune, just turn a screw until it ran about tright ... tooo
easy ... maybe that was the problem :-)

"Will Honea" <whonea@codenet.net> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-Bw04ws4zU0EM@anon.none.net...
> There is a lot to be said for simplicity ;-} Give me a 50's something
> setup and I can usually mange to get it home. They run with the
> condensor missing if it shorts, a nail file or pocket knife will clean
> up points to get you back - just try and jerryrig a bum ECU! Except
> for the expense and noise, I wouldn't even object to a mechanical fuel
> injection - engine driven pump and all. Of course, priming can be a
> PITA. I do draw the line at generators vs alternators and at outdoor
> plumbing, tho...
>
> On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:44:24 UTC "bowgus" <Bowgus@rogers.com> wrote:
>
> > Yeah ... I'll know if I have a real problem to-morrow. The condition is
much
> > like what happens to my boat on occasion which I attribute to water in
the
> > fuel. But
> > with the boat, the fix is simple ... just up the idle stop so that it
will
> > go into gear without stalling and go for run. The boat ... 3.8 litre V6
> > odd-fire with 4bbl. My mechanic buddy swear by fuel injection .. I kinda
got
> > along better with carburators and mechanical fuel pumps ... at least you
> > could get yourself going with a pair of vice grips, a hammer and a
> > screwdriver :-)
> >
> >
> > "Will Honea" <whonea@codenet.net> wrote in message
> > news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-2ycZ9wDi5dHL@anon.none.net...
> > > Couple of cans of gas dryer stopped that crap in mine when it started
> > > to happen every now and then.
> > >
> > > On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:16:11 UTC "bowgus" <Bowgus@rogers.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > -30 C or so here to-day, out of the house at 5:30 to head out ...
rrrr
> > ...
> > > > sputter sputter ... rrrr. Won't fire up ... battery's getting low
.... go
> > get
> > > > the charger, set it to 60 amps ... wait, try again. Oh yeah '96
> > Cherokee,
> > > > 4.0 litre HO, auto tranmission. So I remembered someone posting that
you
> > can
> > > > floor it ... so I did ... and she fired up !!! I could not believe
it
> > ...
> > > > free advice ... and it worked ... but the jeep would not hold an
idle
> > and
> > > > the check engine light was on ... so I sat there for a while warming
it
> > up.
> > > > Then let it die while I packed up for work. She started ok but still
no
> > idle
> > > > and check engine still on. Made my way to work doing the left foot
> > brake,
> > > > slide into neutral, keep it running at the stops thing. Stalled
once,
> > > > started again, check engine light not on ... ok, getting better ...
but
> > > > still no solid idle. Went in to work, checked the email, hada
coffee,
> > loaded
> > > > up the laptop, said those yahoo I'm outta here "I'll be working at
home"
> > > > words, don't wanna get stuck here to-night. Went out, started the
jeep
> > up,
> > > > and all is normal.
> > > >
> > > > So what I'm saying is, before you call for a tow, consider the
above.
> > And by
> > > > the way, what is that floor it technique doing ...
bypassing/overriding
> > > > something.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks fer listening.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>

bowgus

Yeah ... my old Saab had mechanical fuel injection ... and a 5th injector as
cold start. To tune, just turn a screw until it ran about tright ... tooo
easy ... maybe that was the problem :-)

"Will Honea" <whonea@codenet.net> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-Bw04ws4zU0EM@anon.none.net...
> There is a lot to be said for simplicity ;-} Give me a 50's something
> setup and I can usually mange to get it home. They run with the
> condensor missing if it shorts, a nail file or pocket knife will clean
> up points to get you back - just try and jerryrig a bum ECU! Except
> for the expense and noise, I wouldn't even object to a mechanical fuel
> injection - engine driven pump and all. Of course, priming can be a
> PITA. I do draw the line at generators vs alternators and at outdoor
> plumbing, tho...
>
> On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:44:24 UTC "bowgus" <Bowgus@rogers.com> wrote:
>
> > Yeah ... I'll know if I have a real problem to-morrow. The condition is
much
> > like what happens to my boat on occasion which I attribute to water in
the
> > fuel. But
> > with the boat, the fix is simple ... just up the idle stop so that it
will
> > go into gear without stalling and go for run. The boat ... 3.8 litre V6
> > odd-fire with 4bbl. My mechanic buddy swear by fuel injection .. I kinda
got
> > along better with carburators and mechanical fuel pumps ... at least you
> > could get yourself going with a pair of vice grips, a hammer and a
> > screwdriver :-)
> >
> >
> > "Will Honea" <whonea@codenet.net> wrote in message
> > news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-2ycZ9wDi5dHL@anon.none.net...
> > > Couple of cans of gas dryer stopped that crap in mine when it started
> > > to happen every now and then.
> > >
> > > On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:16:11 UTC "bowgus" <Bowgus@rogers.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > -30 C or so here to-day, out of the house at 5:30 to head out ...
rrrr
> > ...
> > > > sputter sputter ... rrrr. Won't fire up ... battery's getting low
.... go
> > get
> > > > the charger, set it to 60 amps ... wait, try again. Oh yeah '96
> > Cherokee,
> > > > 4.0 litre HO, auto tranmission. So I remembered someone posting that
you
> > can
> > > > floor it ... so I did ... and she fired up !!! I could not believe
it
> > ...
> > > > free advice ... and it worked ... but the jeep would not hold an
idle
> > and
> > > > the check engine light was on ... so I sat there for a while warming
it
> > up.
> > > > Then let it die while I packed up for work. She started ok but still
no
> > idle
> > > > and check engine still on. Made my way to work doing the left foot
> > brake,
> > > > slide into neutral, keep it running at the stops thing. Stalled
once,
> > > > started again, check engine light not on ... ok, getting better ...
but
> > > > still no solid idle. Went in to work, checked the email, hada
coffee,
> > loaded
> > > > up the laptop, said those yahoo I'm outta here "I'll be working at
home"
> > > > words, don't wanna get stuck here to-night. Went out, started the
jeep
> > up,
> > > > and all is normal.
> > > >
> > > > So what I'm saying is, before you call for a tow, consider the
above.
> > And by
> > > > the way, what is that floor it technique doing ...
bypassing/overriding
> > > > something.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks fer listening.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>

bowgus

Yeah ... my old Saab had mechanical fuel injection ... and a 5th injector as
cold start. To tune, just turn a screw until it ran about tright ... tooo
easy ... maybe that was the problem :-)

"Will Honea" <whonea@codenet.net> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-Bw04ws4zU0EM@anon.none.net...
> There is a lot to be said for simplicity ;-} Give me a 50's something
> setup and I can usually mange to get it home. They run with the
> condensor missing if it shorts, a nail file or pocket knife will clean
> up points to get you back - just try and jerryrig a bum ECU! Except
> for the expense and noise, I wouldn't even object to a mechanical fuel
> injection - engine driven pump and all. Of course, priming can be a
> PITA. I do draw the line at generators vs alternators and at outdoor
> plumbing, tho...
>
> On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:44:24 UTC "bowgus" <Bowgus@rogers.com> wrote:
>
> > Yeah ... I'll know if I have a real problem to-morrow. The condition is
much
> > like what happens to my boat on occasion which I attribute to water in
the
> > fuel. But
> > with the boat, the fix is simple ... just up the idle stop so that it
will
> > go into gear without stalling and go for run. The boat ... 3.8 litre V6
> > odd-fire with 4bbl. My mechanic buddy swear by fuel injection .. I kinda
got
> > along better with carburators and mechanical fuel pumps ... at least you
> > could get yourself going with a pair of vice grips, a hammer and a
> > screwdriver :-)
> >
> >
> > "Will Honea" <whonea@codenet.net> wrote in message
> > news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-2ycZ9wDi5dHL@anon.none.net...
> > > Couple of cans of gas dryer stopped that crap in mine when it started
> > > to happen every now and then.
> > >
> > > On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:16:11 UTC "bowgus" <Bowgus@rogers.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > -30 C or so here to-day, out of the house at 5:30 to head out ...
rrrr
> > ...
> > > > sputter sputter ... rrrr. Won't fire up ... battery's getting low
.... go
> > get
> > > > the charger, set it to 60 amps ... wait, try again. Oh yeah '96
> > Cherokee,
> > > > 4.0 litre HO, auto tranmission. So I remembered someone posting that
you
> > can
> > > > floor it ... so I did ... and she fired up !!! I could not believe
it
> > ...
> > > > free advice ... and it worked ... but the jeep would not hold an
idle
> > and
> > > > the check engine light was on ... so I sat there for a while warming
it
> > up.
> > > > Then let it die while I packed up for work. She started ok but still
no
> > idle
> > > > and check engine still on. Made my way to work doing the left foot
> > brake,
> > > > slide into neutral, keep it running at the stops thing. Stalled
once,
> > > > started again, check engine light not on ... ok, getting better ...
but
> > > > still no solid idle. Went in to work, checked the email, hada
coffee,
> > loaded
> > > > up the laptop, said those yahoo I'm outta here "I'll be working at
home"
> > > > words, don't wanna get stuck here to-night. Went out, started the
jeep
> > up,
> > > > and all is normal.
> > > >
> > > > So what I'm saying is, before you call for a tow, consider the
above.
> > And by
> > > > the way, what is that floor it technique doing ...
bypassing/overriding
> > > > something.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks fer listening.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>

Chris

>Geez ... that's all I need? And I went and bought a jeep. About ethonal ...
>it absorbs water (as does "gas line antifreeze") and can eventually become
>super saturated, and then ... it dumps all the water it has absorbed ... doh
>... forget that. Got a good battery, use good winter blend fuel, use the
>block heater ... had many vehicles, jeeps are just plain ... ornary :-)

Don't take what I say the wrong way.. Just always here stories from
people with vehicles that are supposidly in "excellent
mechanical\electrical shape" but don't seem to start when it gets
cold..

I've had three Jeeps, several gm trucks, never once had one not start
in -40c and colder with nice windchills on top of that, or even had a
problem starting.... Even two weeks ago when it hit -36c after having
the jeep sit for three weeks, without plugging it in, she fired right
up in under 5seconds and ran fine..

Chris

>Geez ... that's all I need? And I went and bought a jeep. About ethonal ...
>it absorbs water (as does "gas line antifreeze") and can eventually become
>super saturated, and then ... it dumps all the water it has absorbed ... doh
>... forget that. Got a good battery, use good winter blend fuel, use the
>block heater ... had many vehicles, jeeps are just plain ... ornary :-)

Don't take what I say the wrong way.. Just always here stories from
people with vehicles that are supposidly in "excellent
mechanical\electrical shape" but don't seem to start when it gets
cold..

I've had three Jeeps, several gm trucks, never once had one not start
in -40c and colder with nice windchills on top of that, or even had a
problem starting.... Even two weeks ago when it hit -36c after having
the jeep sit for three weeks, without plugging it in, she fired right
up in under 5seconds and ran fine..

Chris

>Geez ... that's all I need? And I went and bought a jeep. About ethonal ...
>it absorbs water (as does "gas line antifreeze") and can eventually become
>super saturated, and then ... it dumps all the water it has absorbed ... doh
>... forget that. Got a good battery, use good winter blend fuel, use the
>block heater ... had many vehicles, jeeps are just plain ... ornary :-)

Don't take what I say the wrong way.. Just always here stories from
people with vehicles that are supposidly in "excellent
mechanical\electrical shape" but don't seem to start when it gets
cold..

I've had three Jeeps, several gm trucks, never once had one not start
in -40c and colder with nice windchills on top of that, or even had a
problem starting.... Even two weeks ago when it hit -36c after having
the jeep sit for three weeks, without plugging it in, she fired right
up in under 5seconds and ran fine..

bowgus

No problem ... my intent was not to ask for advice ... just to offer the
information that if for some reason your jeep won't start after trying a few
times ... floor it and it might start saving you a tow. It was - 29 C again
this morning ... the jeep started up just fine ... cold idled at about 1000
rpm as it has been doing for the past few years ... then settled down to the
750 or so as has been doing for years as it is supposed to.

I'm the pragmatic type ... for some reason the jeep would not hold an idle
yesterday ... but I got it started by applying some free advice I'd read
here ... and eventually all was normal. Good enough for me ... I'm not out
pouring a variety of snake oil miracle fixes into the gas tank, or the
crankcase, or the air intake, or buying a new alternator, or a new battery,
or a battery warmer ... although a heated seat might be nice ... it was just
one of those very cold very damp nights that f****d with my jeep ... too
easy.



"Chris" <spam@telus.net> wrote in message
news:ajac00lk66uu09kbvr0lasn9dqjftehh4u@4ax.com...
> >Geez ... that's all I need? And I went and bought a jeep. About ethonal
....
> >it absorbs water (as does "gas line antifreeze") and can eventually
become
> >super saturated, and then ... it dumps all the water it has absorbed ...
doh
> >... forget that. Got a good battery, use good winter blend fuel, use the
> >block heater ... had many vehicles, jeeps are just plain ... ornary :-)
>
> Don't take what I say the wrong way.. Just always here stories from
> people with vehicles that are supposidly in "excellent
> mechanical\electrical shape" but don't seem to start when it gets
> cold..
>
> I've had three Jeeps, several gm trucks, never once had one not start
> in -40c and colder with nice windchills on top of that, or even had a
> problem starting.... Even two weeks ago when it hit -36c after having
> the jeep sit for three weeks, without plugging it in, she fired right
> up in under 5seconds and ran fine..