fyi if yer jeep won't start
01-14-2004, 11:23 AM
#11
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Re: fyi if yer jeep won't start
Oh yeah ... I'll WD the connectors but not today ... maybe in oh I dunno ...
July :-)
"bowgus" <Bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:vVdNb.23484$ZuL1.21216@twister01.bloor.is.net .cable.rogers.com...
> Yeah ... I'm assuming just a "minor" malfunction that cleared itself ...
but
> an interesting sequence of events ... never happened before, and hopefully
> won't happen again. Ok ... so thanks for the injector shut down info ...
> I'll guess the inability to idle resulted in minor flooding cleared by the
> injector shut down feature which got me going ... and something did not
take
> kindly to sitting out in that cold damp night.
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:400562B2.20F6133F@sympatico.ca...
> > It has sensors in it that see a floored gas pedal and the starter
> > turning as a flooded condition so it shuts off the injectors.
> >
> > That implies to me a shaky connection on something electrical allowing
> > the flood in the first place.
> >
> > After the humidity of the last few days and this flash freeze, I would
> > be suspecting some moisture got in the plug for something like the TPS
> > or MAP or even the coil power plug and froze up.
> >
> > I would be opening all of them up and spraying them out with WD40 then
> > putting them back together with some dielectric grease on the seals to
> > keep out any more water. Even just the spray is good for a while.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> >
> > bowgus wrote:
> > >
> > > -30 C or so here to-day, out of the house at 5:30 to head out ... rrrr
> ...
> > > sputter sputter ... rrrr. Won't fire up ... battery's getting low ...
go
> get
> > > the charger, set it to 60 amps ... wait, try again. Oh yeah '96
> Cherokee,
> > > 4.0 litre HO, auto tranmission. So I remembered someone posting that
you
> can
> > > floor it ... so I did ... and she fired up !!! I could not believe it
> ...
> > > free advice ... and it worked ... but the jeep would not hold an idle
> and
> > > the check engine light was on ... so I sat there for a while warming
it
> up.
> > > Then let it die while I packed up for work. She started ok but still
no
> idle
> > > and check engine still on. Made my way to work doing the left foot
> brake,
> > > slide into neutral, keep it running at the stops thing. Stalled once,
> > > started again, check engine light not on ... ok, getting better ...
but
> > > still no solid idle. Went in to work, checked the email, hada coffee,
> loaded
> > > up the laptop, said those yahoo I'm outta here "I'll be working at
home"
> > > words, don't wanna get stuck here to-night. Went out, started the jeep
> up,
> > > and all is normal.
> > >
> > > So what I'm saying is, before you call for a tow, consider the above.
> And by
> > > the way, what is that floor it technique doing ...
bypassing/overriding
> > > something.
> > >
> > > Thanks fer listening.
>
>
July :-)
"bowgus" <Bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:vVdNb.23484$ZuL1.21216@twister01.bloor.is.net .cable.rogers.com...
> Yeah ... I'm assuming just a "minor" malfunction that cleared itself ...
but
> an interesting sequence of events ... never happened before, and hopefully
> won't happen again. Ok ... so thanks for the injector shut down info ...
> I'll guess the inability to idle resulted in minor flooding cleared by the
> injector shut down feature which got me going ... and something did not
take
> kindly to sitting out in that cold damp night.
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:400562B2.20F6133F@sympatico.ca...
> > It has sensors in it that see a floored gas pedal and the starter
> > turning as a flooded condition so it shuts off the injectors.
> >
> > That implies to me a shaky connection on something electrical allowing
> > the flood in the first place.
> >
> > After the humidity of the last few days and this flash freeze, I would
> > be suspecting some moisture got in the plug for something like the TPS
> > or MAP or even the coil power plug and froze up.
> >
> > I would be opening all of them up and spraying them out with WD40 then
> > putting them back together with some dielectric grease on the seals to
> > keep out any more water. Even just the spray is good for a while.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> >
> > bowgus wrote:
> > >
> > > -30 C or so here to-day, out of the house at 5:30 to head out ... rrrr
> ...
> > > sputter sputter ... rrrr. Won't fire up ... battery's getting low ...
go
> get
> > > the charger, set it to 60 amps ... wait, try again. Oh yeah '96
> Cherokee,
> > > 4.0 litre HO, auto tranmission. So I remembered someone posting that
you
> can
> > > floor it ... so I did ... and she fired up !!! I could not believe it
> ...
> > > free advice ... and it worked ... but the jeep would not hold an idle
> and
> > > the check engine light was on ... so I sat there for a while warming
it
> up.
> > > Then let it die while I packed up for work. She started ok but still
no
> idle
> > > and check engine still on. Made my way to work doing the left foot
> brake,
> > > slide into neutral, keep it running at the stops thing. Stalled once,
> > > started again, check engine light not on ... ok, getting better ...
but
> > > still no solid idle. Went in to work, checked the email, hada coffee,
> loaded
> > > up the laptop, said those yahoo I'm outta here "I'll be working at
home"
> > > words, don't wanna get stuck here to-night. Went out, started the jeep
> up,
> > > and all is normal.
> > >
> > > So what I'm saying is, before you call for a tow, consider the above.
> And by
> > > the way, what is that floor it technique doing ...
bypassing/overriding
> > > something.
> > >
> > > Thanks fer listening.
>
>
01-14-2004, 11:23 AM
#12
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Posts: n/a
Re: fyi if yer jeep won't start
Oh yeah ... I'll WD the connectors but not today ... maybe in oh I dunno ...
July :-)
"bowgus" <Bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:vVdNb.23484$ZuL1.21216@twister01.bloor.is.net .cable.rogers.com...
> Yeah ... I'm assuming just a "minor" malfunction that cleared itself ...
but
> an interesting sequence of events ... never happened before, and hopefully
> won't happen again. Ok ... so thanks for the injector shut down info ...
> I'll guess the inability to idle resulted in minor flooding cleared by the
> injector shut down feature which got me going ... and something did not
take
> kindly to sitting out in that cold damp night.
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:400562B2.20F6133F@sympatico.ca...
> > It has sensors in it that see a floored gas pedal and the starter
> > turning as a flooded condition so it shuts off the injectors.
> >
> > That implies to me a shaky connection on something electrical allowing
> > the flood in the first place.
> >
> > After the humidity of the last few days and this flash freeze, I would
> > be suspecting some moisture got in the plug for something like the TPS
> > or MAP or even the coil power plug and froze up.
> >
> > I would be opening all of them up and spraying them out with WD40 then
> > putting them back together with some dielectric grease on the seals to
> > keep out any more water. Even just the spray is good for a while.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> >
> > bowgus wrote:
> > >
> > > -30 C or so here to-day, out of the house at 5:30 to head out ... rrrr
> ...
> > > sputter sputter ... rrrr. Won't fire up ... battery's getting low ...
go
> get
> > > the charger, set it to 60 amps ... wait, try again. Oh yeah '96
> Cherokee,
> > > 4.0 litre HO, auto tranmission. So I remembered someone posting that
you
> can
> > > floor it ... so I did ... and she fired up !!! I could not believe it
> ...
> > > free advice ... and it worked ... but the jeep would not hold an idle
> and
> > > the check engine light was on ... so I sat there for a while warming
it
> up.
> > > Then let it die while I packed up for work. She started ok but still
no
> idle
> > > and check engine still on. Made my way to work doing the left foot
> brake,
> > > slide into neutral, keep it running at the stops thing. Stalled once,
> > > started again, check engine light not on ... ok, getting better ...
but
> > > still no solid idle. Went in to work, checked the email, hada coffee,
> loaded
> > > up the laptop, said those yahoo I'm outta here "I'll be working at
home"
> > > words, don't wanna get stuck here to-night. Went out, started the jeep
> up,
> > > and all is normal.
> > >
> > > So what I'm saying is, before you call for a tow, consider the above.
> And by
> > > the way, what is that floor it technique doing ...
bypassing/overriding
> > > something.
> > >
> > > Thanks fer listening.
>
>
July :-)
"bowgus" <Bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:vVdNb.23484$ZuL1.21216@twister01.bloor.is.net .cable.rogers.com...
> Yeah ... I'm assuming just a "minor" malfunction that cleared itself ...
but
> an interesting sequence of events ... never happened before, and hopefully
> won't happen again. Ok ... so thanks for the injector shut down info ...
> I'll guess the inability to idle resulted in minor flooding cleared by the
> injector shut down feature which got me going ... and something did not
take
> kindly to sitting out in that cold damp night.
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:400562B2.20F6133F@sympatico.ca...
> > It has sensors in it that see a floored gas pedal and the starter
> > turning as a flooded condition so it shuts off the injectors.
> >
> > That implies to me a shaky connection on something electrical allowing
> > the flood in the first place.
> >
> > After the humidity of the last few days and this flash freeze, I would
> > be suspecting some moisture got in the plug for something like the TPS
> > or MAP or even the coil power plug and froze up.
> >
> > I would be opening all of them up and spraying them out with WD40 then
> > putting them back together with some dielectric grease on the seals to
> > keep out any more water. Even just the spray is good for a while.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> >
> > bowgus wrote:
> > >
> > > -30 C or so here to-day, out of the house at 5:30 to head out ... rrrr
> ...
> > > sputter sputter ... rrrr. Won't fire up ... battery's getting low ...
go
> get
> > > the charger, set it to 60 amps ... wait, try again. Oh yeah '96
> Cherokee,
> > > 4.0 litre HO, auto tranmission. So I remembered someone posting that
you
> can
> > > floor it ... so I did ... and she fired up !!! I could not believe it
> ...
> > > free advice ... and it worked ... but the jeep would not hold an idle
> and
> > > the check engine light was on ... so I sat there for a while warming
it
> up.
> > > Then let it die while I packed up for work. She started ok but still
no
> idle
> > > and check engine still on. Made my way to work doing the left foot
> brake,
> > > slide into neutral, keep it running at the stops thing. Stalled once,
> > > started again, check engine light not on ... ok, getting better ...
but
> > > still no solid idle. Went in to work, checked the email, hada coffee,
> loaded
> > > up the laptop, said those yahoo I'm outta here "I'll be working at
home"
> > > words, don't wanna get stuck here to-night. Went out, started the jeep
> up,
> > > and all is normal.
> > >
> > > So what I'm saying is, before you call for a tow, consider the above.
> And by
> > > the way, what is that floor it technique doing ...
bypassing/overriding
> > > something.
> > >
> > > Thanks fer listening.
>
>
01-14-2004, 11:23 AM
#13
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Posts: n/a
Re: fyi if yer jeep won't start
Oh yeah ... I'll WD the connectors but not today ... maybe in oh I dunno ...
July :-)
"bowgus" <Bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:vVdNb.23484$ZuL1.21216@twister01.bloor.is.net .cable.rogers.com...
> Yeah ... I'm assuming just a "minor" malfunction that cleared itself ...
but
> an interesting sequence of events ... never happened before, and hopefully
> won't happen again. Ok ... so thanks for the injector shut down info ...
> I'll guess the inability to idle resulted in minor flooding cleared by the
> injector shut down feature which got me going ... and something did not
take
> kindly to sitting out in that cold damp night.
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:400562B2.20F6133F@sympatico.ca...
> > It has sensors in it that see a floored gas pedal and the starter
> > turning as a flooded condition so it shuts off the injectors.
> >
> > That implies to me a shaky connection on something electrical allowing
> > the flood in the first place.
> >
> > After the humidity of the last few days and this flash freeze, I would
> > be suspecting some moisture got in the plug for something like the TPS
> > or MAP or even the coil power plug and froze up.
> >
> > I would be opening all of them up and spraying them out with WD40 then
> > putting them back together with some dielectric grease on the seals to
> > keep out any more water. Even just the spray is good for a while.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> >
> > bowgus wrote:
> > >
> > > -30 C or so here to-day, out of the house at 5:30 to head out ... rrrr
> ...
> > > sputter sputter ... rrrr. Won't fire up ... battery's getting low ...
go
> get
> > > the charger, set it to 60 amps ... wait, try again. Oh yeah '96
> Cherokee,
> > > 4.0 litre HO, auto tranmission. So I remembered someone posting that
you
> can
> > > floor it ... so I did ... and she fired up !!! I could not believe it
> ...
> > > free advice ... and it worked ... but the jeep would not hold an idle
> and
> > > the check engine light was on ... so I sat there for a while warming
it
> up.
> > > Then let it die while I packed up for work. She started ok but still
no
> idle
> > > and check engine still on. Made my way to work doing the left foot
> brake,
> > > slide into neutral, keep it running at the stops thing. Stalled once,
> > > started again, check engine light not on ... ok, getting better ...
but
> > > still no solid idle. Went in to work, checked the email, hada coffee,
> loaded
> > > up the laptop, said those yahoo I'm outta here "I'll be working at
home"
> > > words, don't wanna get stuck here to-night. Went out, started the jeep
> up,
> > > and all is normal.
> > >
> > > So what I'm saying is, before you call for a tow, consider the above.
> And by
> > > the way, what is that floor it technique doing ...
bypassing/overriding
> > > something.
> > >
> > > Thanks fer listening.
>
>
July :-)
"bowgus" <Bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:vVdNb.23484$ZuL1.21216@twister01.bloor.is.net .cable.rogers.com...
> Yeah ... I'm assuming just a "minor" malfunction that cleared itself ...
but
> an interesting sequence of events ... never happened before, and hopefully
> won't happen again. Ok ... so thanks for the injector shut down info ...
> I'll guess the inability to idle resulted in minor flooding cleared by the
> injector shut down feature which got me going ... and something did not
take
> kindly to sitting out in that cold damp night.
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:400562B2.20F6133F@sympatico.ca...
> > It has sensors in it that see a floored gas pedal and the starter
> > turning as a flooded condition so it shuts off the injectors.
> >
> > That implies to me a shaky connection on something electrical allowing
> > the flood in the first place.
> >
> > After the humidity of the last few days and this flash freeze, I would
> > be suspecting some moisture got in the plug for something like the TPS
> > or MAP or even the coil power plug and froze up.
> >
> > I would be opening all of them up and spraying them out with WD40 then
> > putting them back together with some dielectric grease on the seals to
> > keep out any more water. Even just the spray is good for a while.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> >
> > bowgus wrote:
> > >
> > > -30 C or so here to-day, out of the house at 5:30 to head out ... rrrr
> ...
> > > sputter sputter ... rrrr. Won't fire up ... battery's getting low ...
go
> get
> > > the charger, set it to 60 amps ... wait, try again. Oh yeah '96
> Cherokee,
> > > 4.0 litre HO, auto tranmission. So I remembered someone posting that
you
> can
> > > floor it ... so I did ... and she fired up !!! I could not believe it
> ...
> > > free advice ... and it worked ... but the jeep would not hold an idle
> and
> > > the check engine light was on ... so I sat there for a while warming
it
> up.
> > > Then let it die while I packed up for work. She started ok but still
no
> idle
> > > and check engine still on. Made my way to work doing the left foot
> brake,
> > > slide into neutral, keep it running at the stops thing. Stalled once,
> > > started again, check engine light not on ... ok, getting better ...
but
> > > still no solid idle. Went in to work, checked the email, hada coffee,
> loaded
> > > up the laptop, said those yahoo I'm outta here "I'll be working at
home"
> > > words, don't wanna get stuck here to-night. Went out, started the jeep
> up,
> > > and all is normal.
> > >
> > > So what I'm saying is, before you call for a tow, consider the above.
> And by
> > > the way, what is that floor it technique doing ...
bypassing/overriding
> > > something.
> > >
> > > Thanks fer listening.
>
>
01-14-2004, 11:47 AM
#14
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: fyi if yer jeep won't start
LOL!
Next week might be warmer around here according to the weather man, but
crap man it is cold out right now.....
Mike
bowgus wrote:
>
> Oh yeah ... I'll WD the connectors but not today ... maybe in oh I dunno ...
> July :-)
>
> "bowgus" <Bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:vVdNb.23484$ZuL1.21216@twister01.bloor.is.net .cable.rogers.com...
> > Yeah ... I'm assuming just a "minor" malfunction that cleared itself ...
> but
> > an interesting sequence of events ... never happened before, and hopefully
> > won't happen again. Ok ... so thanks for the injector shut down info ...
> > I'll guess the inability to idle resulted in minor flooding cleared by the
> > injector shut down feature which got me going ... and something did not
> take
> > kindly to sitting out in that cold damp night.
> >
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:400562B2.20F6133F@sympatico.ca...
> > > It has sensors in it that see a floored gas pedal and the starter
> > > turning as a flooded condition so it shuts off the injectors.
> > >
> > > That implies to me a shaky connection on something electrical allowing
> > > the flood in the first place.
> > >
> > > After the humidity of the last few days and this flash freeze, I would
> > > be suspecting some moisture got in the plug for something like the TPS
> > > or MAP or even the coil power plug and froze up.
> > >
> > > I would be opening all of them up and spraying them out with WD40 then
> > > putting them back together with some dielectric grease on the seals to
> > > keep out any more water. Even just the spray is good for a while.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > >
> > > bowgus wrote:
> > > >
> > > > -30 C or so here to-day, out of the house at 5:30 to head out ... rrrr
> > ...
> > > > sputter sputter ... rrrr. Won't fire up ... battery's getting low ...
> go
> > get
> > > > the charger, set it to 60 amps ... wait, try again. Oh yeah '96
> > Cherokee,
> > > > 4.0 litre HO, auto tranmission. So I remembered someone posting that
> you
> > can
> > > > floor it ... so I did ... and she fired up !!! I could not believe it
> > ...
> > > > free advice ... and it worked ... but the jeep would not hold an idle
> > and
> > > > the check engine light was on ... so I sat there for a while warming
> it
> > up.
> > > > Then let it die while I packed up for work. She started ok but still
> no
> > idle
> > > > and check engine still on. Made my way to work doing the left foot
> > brake,
> > > > slide into neutral, keep it running at the stops thing. Stalled once,
> > > > started again, check engine light not on ... ok, getting better ...
> but
> > > > still no solid idle. Went in to work, checked the email, hada coffee,
> > loaded
> > > > up the laptop, said those yahoo I'm outta here "I'll be working at
> home"
> > > > words, don't wanna get stuck here to-night. Went out, started the jeep
> > up,
> > > > and all is normal.
> > > >
> > > > So what I'm saying is, before you call for a tow, consider the above.
> > And by
> > > > the way, what is that floor it technique doing ...
> bypassing/overriding
> > > > something.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks fer listening.
> >
> >
Next week might be warmer around here according to the weather man, but
crap man it is cold out right now.....
Mike
bowgus wrote:
>
> Oh yeah ... I'll WD the connectors but not today ... maybe in oh I dunno ...
> July :-)
>
> "bowgus" <Bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:vVdNb.23484$ZuL1.21216@twister01.bloor.is.net .cable.rogers.com...
> > Yeah ... I'm assuming just a "minor" malfunction that cleared itself ...
> but
> > an interesting sequence of events ... never happened before, and hopefully
> > won't happen again. Ok ... so thanks for the injector shut down info ...
> > I'll guess the inability to idle resulted in minor flooding cleared by the
> > injector shut down feature which got me going ... and something did not
> take
> > kindly to sitting out in that cold damp night.
> >
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:400562B2.20F6133F@sympatico.ca...
> > > It has sensors in it that see a floored gas pedal and the starter
> > > turning as a flooded condition so it shuts off the injectors.
> > >
> > > That implies to me a shaky connection on something electrical allowing
> > > the flood in the first place.
> > >
> > > After the humidity of the last few days and this flash freeze, I would
> > > be suspecting some moisture got in the plug for something like the TPS
> > > or MAP or even the coil power plug and froze up.
> > >
> > > I would be opening all of them up and spraying them out with WD40 then
> > > putting them back together with some dielectric grease on the seals to
> > > keep out any more water. Even just the spray is good for a while.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > >
> > > bowgus wrote:
> > > >
> > > > -30 C or so here to-day, out of the house at 5:30 to head out ... rrrr
> > ...
> > > > sputter sputter ... rrrr. Won't fire up ... battery's getting low ...
> go
> > get
> > > > the charger, set it to 60 amps ... wait, try again. Oh yeah '96
> > Cherokee,
> > > > 4.0 litre HO, auto tranmission. So I remembered someone posting that
> you
> > can
> > > > floor it ... so I did ... and she fired up !!! I could not believe it
> > ...
> > > > free advice ... and it worked ... but the jeep would not hold an idle
> > and
> > > > the check engine light was on ... so I sat there for a while warming
> it
> > up.
> > > > Then let it die while I packed up for work. She started ok but still
> no
> > idle
> > > > and check engine still on. Made my way to work doing the left foot
> > brake,
> > > > slide into neutral, keep it running at the stops thing. Stalled once,
> > > > started again, check engine light not on ... ok, getting better ...
> but
> > > > still no solid idle. Went in to work, checked the email, hada coffee,
> > loaded
> > > > up the laptop, said those yahoo I'm outta here "I'll be working at
> home"
> > > > words, don't wanna get stuck here to-night. Went out, started the jeep
> > up,
> > > > and all is normal.
> > > >
> > > > So what I'm saying is, before you call for a tow, consider the above.
> > And by
> > > > the way, what is that floor it technique doing ...
> bypassing/overriding
> > > > something.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks fer listening.
> >
> >
01-14-2004, 11:47 AM
#15
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Re: fyi if yer jeep won't start
LOL!
Next week might be warmer around here according to the weather man, but
crap man it is cold out right now.....
Mike
bowgus wrote:
>
> Oh yeah ... I'll WD the connectors but not today ... maybe in oh I dunno ...
> July :-)
>
> "bowgus" <Bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:vVdNb.23484$ZuL1.21216@twister01.bloor.is.net .cable.rogers.com...
> > Yeah ... I'm assuming just a "minor" malfunction that cleared itself ...
> but
> > an interesting sequence of events ... never happened before, and hopefully
> > won't happen again. Ok ... so thanks for the injector shut down info ...
> > I'll guess the inability to idle resulted in minor flooding cleared by the
> > injector shut down feature which got me going ... and something did not
> take
> > kindly to sitting out in that cold damp night.
> >
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:400562B2.20F6133F@sympatico.ca...
> > > It has sensors in it that see a floored gas pedal and the starter
> > > turning as a flooded condition so it shuts off the injectors.
> > >
> > > That implies to me a shaky connection on something electrical allowing
> > > the flood in the first place.
> > >
> > > After the humidity of the last few days and this flash freeze, I would
> > > be suspecting some moisture got in the plug for something like the TPS
> > > or MAP or even the coil power plug and froze up.
> > >
> > > I would be opening all of them up and spraying them out with WD40 then
> > > putting them back together with some dielectric grease on the seals to
> > > keep out any more water. Even just the spray is good for a while.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > >
> > > bowgus wrote:
> > > >
> > > > -30 C or so here to-day, out of the house at 5:30 to head out ... rrrr
> > ...
> > > > sputter sputter ... rrrr. Won't fire up ... battery's getting low ...
> go
> > get
> > > > the charger, set it to 60 amps ... wait, try again. Oh yeah '96
> > Cherokee,
> > > > 4.0 litre HO, auto tranmission. So I remembered someone posting that
> you
> > can
> > > > floor it ... so I did ... and she fired up !!! I could not believe it
> > ...
> > > > free advice ... and it worked ... but the jeep would not hold an idle
> > and
> > > > the check engine light was on ... so I sat there for a while warming
> it
> > up.
> > > > Then let it die while I packed up for work. She started ok but still
> no
> > idle
> > > > and check engine still on. Made my way to work doing the left foot
> > brake,
> > > > slide into neutral, keep it running at the stops thing. Stalled once,
> > > > started again, check engine light not on ... ok, getting better ...
> but
> > > > still no solid idle. Went in to work, checked the email, hada coffee,
> > loaded
> > > > up the laptop, said those yahoo I'm outta here "I'll be working at
> home"
> > > > words, don't wanna get stuck here to-night. Went out, started the jeep
> > up,
> > > > and all is normal.
> > > >
> > > > So what I'm saying is, before you call for a tow, consider the above.
> > And by
> > > > the way, what is that floor it technique doing ...
> bypassing/overriding
> > > > something.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks fer listening.
> >
> >
Next week might be warmer around here according to the weather man, but
crap man it is cold out right now.....
Mike
bowgus wrote:
>
> Oh yeah ... I'll WD the connectors but not today ... maybe in oh I dunno ...
> July :-)
>
> "bowgus" <Bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:vVdNb.23484$ZuL1.21216@twister01.bloor.is.net .cable.rogers.com...
> > Yeah ... I'm assuming just a "minor" malfunction that cleared itself ...
> but
> > an interesting sequence of events ... never happened before, and hopefully
> > won't happen again. Ok ... so thanks for the injector shut down info ...
> > I'll guess the inability to idle resulted in minor flooding cleared by the
> > injector shut down feature which got me going ... and something did not
> take
> > kindly to sitting out in that cold damp night.
> >
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:400562B2.20F6133F@sympatico.ca...
> > > It has sensors in it that see a floored gas pedal and the starter
> > > turning as a flooded condition so it shuts off the injectors.
> > >
> > > That implies to me a shaky connection on something electrical allowing
> > > the flood in the first place.
> > >
> > > After the humidity of the last few days and this flash freeze, I would
> > > be suspecting some moisture got in the plug for something like the TPS
> > > or MAP or even the coil power plug and froze up.
> > >
> > > I would be opening all of them up and spraying them out with WD40 then
> > > putting them back together with some dielectric grease on the seals to
> > > keep out any more water. Even just the spray is good for a while.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > >
> > > bowgus wrote:
> > > >
> > > > -30 C or so here to-day, out of the house at 5:30 to head out ... rrrr
> > ...
> > > > sputter sputter ... rrrr. Won't fire up ... battery's getting low ...
> go
> > get
> > > > the charger, set it to 60 amps ... wait, try again. Oh yeah '96
> > Cherokee,
> > > > 4.0 litre HO, auto tranmission. So I remembered someone posting that
> you
> > can
> > > > floor it ... so I did ... and she fired up !!! I could not believe it
> > ...
> > > > free advice ... and it worked ... but the jeep would not hold an idle
> > and
> > > > the check engine light was on ... so I sat there for a while warming
> it
> > up.
> > > > Then let it die while I packed up for work. She started ok but still
> no
> > idle
> > > > and check engine still on. Made my way to work doing the left foot
> > brake,
> > > > slide into neutral, keep it running at the stops thing. Stalled once,
> > > > started again, check engine light not on ... ok, getting better ...
> but
> > > > still no solid idle. Went in to work, checked the email, hada coffee,
> > loaded
> > > > up the laptop, said those yahoo I'm outta here "I'll be working at
> home"
> > > > words, don't wanna get stuck here to-night. Went out, started the jeep
> > up,
> > > > and all is normal.
> > > >
> > > > So what I'm saying is, before you call for a tow, consider the above.
> > And by
> > > > the way, what is that floor it technique doing ...
> bypassing/overriding
> > > > something.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks fer listening.
> >
> >
01-14-2004, 11:47 AM
#16
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Posts: n/a
Re: fyi if yer jeep won't start
LOL!
Next week might be warmer around here according to the weather man, but
crap man it is cold out right now.....
Mike
bowgus wrote:
>
> Oh yeah ... I'll WD the connectors but not today ... maybe in oh I dunno ...
> July :-)
>
> "bowgus" <Bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:vVdNb.23484$ZuL1.21216@twister01.bloor.is.net .cable.rogers.com...
> > Yeah ... I'm assuming just a "minor" malfunction that cleared itself ...
> but
> > an interesting sequence of events ... never happened before, and hopefully
> > won't happen again. Ok ... so thanks for the injector shut down info ...
> > I'll guess the inability to idle resulted in minor flooding cleared by the
> > injector shut down feature which got me going ... and something did not
> take
> > kindly to sitting out in that cold damp night.
> >
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:400562B2.20F6133F@sympatico.ca...
> > > It has sensors in it that see a floored gas pedal and the starter
> > > turning as a flooded condition so it shuts off the injectors.
> > >
> > > That implies to me a shaky connection on something electrical allowing
> > > the flood in the first place.
> > >
> > > After the humidity of the last few days and this flash freeze, I would
> > > be suspecting some moisture got in the plug for something like the TPS
> > > or MAP or even the coil power plug and froze up.
> > >
> > > I would be opening all of them up and spraying them out with WD40 then
> > > putting them back together with some dielectric grease on the seals to
> > > keep out any more water. Even just the spray is good for a while.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > >
> > > bowgus wrote:
> > > >
> > > > -30 C or so here to-day, out of the house at 5:30 to head out ... rrrr
> > ...
> > > > sputter sputter ... rrrr. Won't fire up ... battery's getting low ...
> go
> > get
> > > > the charger, set it to 60 amps ... wait, try again. Oh yeah '96
> > Cherokee,
> > > > 4.0 litre HO, auto tranmission. So I remembered someone posting that
> you
> > can
> > > > floor it ... so I did ... and she fired up !!! I could not believe it
> > ...
> > > > free advice ... and it worked ... but the jeep would not hold an idle
> > and
> > > > the check engine light was on ... so I sat there for a while warming
> it
> > up.
> > > > Then let it die while I packed up for work. She started ok but still
> no
> > idle
> > > > and check engine still on. Made my way to work doing the left foot
> > brake,
> > > > slide into neutral, keep it running at the stops thing. Stalled once,
> > > > started again, check engine light not on ... ok, getting better ...
> but
> > > > still no solid idle. Went in to work, checked the email, hada coffee,
> > loaded
> > > > up the laptop, said those yahoo I'm outta here "I'll be working at
> home"
> > > > words, don't wanna get stuck here to-night. Went out, started the jeep
> > up,
> > > > and all is normal.
> > > >
> > > > So what I'm saying is, before you call for a tow, consider the above.
> > And by
> > > > the way, what is that floor it technique doing ...
> bypassing/overriding
> > > > something.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks fer listening.
> >
> >
Next week might be warmer around here according to the weather man, but
crap man it is cold out right now.....
Mike
bowgus wrote:
>
> Oh yeah ... I'll WD the connectors but not today ... maybe in oh I dunno ...
> July :-)
>
> "bowgus" <Bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:vVdNb.23484$ZuL1.21216@twister01.bloor.is.net .cable.rogers.com...
> > Yeah ... I'm assuming just a "minor" malfunction that cleared itself ...
> but
> > an interesting sequence of events ... never happened before, and hopefully
> > won't happen again. Ok ... so thanks for the injector shut down info ...
> > I'll guess the inability to idle resulted in minor flooding cleared by the
> > injector shut down feature which got me going ... and something did not
> take
> > kindly to sitting out in that cold damp night.
> >
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:400562B2.20F6133F@sympatico.ca...
> > > It has sensors in it that see a floored gas pedal and the starter
> > > turning as a flooded condition so it shuts off the injectors.
> > >
> > > That implies to me a shaky connection on something electrical allowing
> > > the flood in the first place.
> > >
> > > After the humidity of the last few days and this flash freeze, I would
> > > be suspecting some moisture got in the plug for something like the TPS
> > > or MAP or even the coil power plug and froze up.
> > >
> > > I would be opening all of them up and spraying them out with WD40 then
> > > putting them back together with some dielectric grease on the seals to
> > > keep out any more water. Even just the spray is good for a while.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > >
> > > bowgus wrote:
> > > >
> > > > -30 C or so here to-day, out of the house at 5:30 to head out ... rrrr
> > ...
> > > > sputter sputter ... rrrr. Won't fire up ... battery's getting low ...
> go
> > get
> > > > the charger, set it to 60 amps ... wait, try again. Oh yeah '96
> > Cherokee,
> > > > 4.0 litre HO, auto tranmission. So I remembered someone posting that
> you
> > can
> > > > floor it ... so I did ... and she fired up !!! I could not believe it
> > ...
> > > > free advice ... and it worked ... but the jeep would not hold an idle
> > and
> > > > the check engine light was on ... so I sat there for a while warming
> it
> > up.
> > > > Then let it die while I packed up for work. She started ok but still
> no
> > idle
> > > > and check engine still on. Made my way to work doing the left foot
> > brake,
> > > > slide into neutral, keep it running at the stops thing. Stalled once,
> > > > started again, check engine light not on ... ok, getting better ...
> but
> > > > still no solid idle. Went in to work, checked the email, hada coffee,
> > loaded
> > > > up the laptop, said those yahoo I'm outta here "I'll be working at
> home"
> > > > words, don't wanna get stuck here to-night. Went out, started the jeep
> > up,
> > > > and all is normal.
> > > >
> > > > So what I'm saying is, before you call for a tow, consider the above.
> > And by
> > > > the way, what is that floor it technique doing ...
> bypassing/overriding
> > > > something.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks fer listening.
> >
> >
01-14-2004, 02:00 PM
#17
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Re: fyi if yer jeep won't start
"bowgus" <Bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:%2dNb.23316$ZuL1.13651@twister01.bloor.is.net .cable.rogers.com...
> -30 C or so here to-day, out of the house at 5:30 to head out ... rrrr ...
> sputter sputter ... rrrr. Won't fire up ... battery's getting low ... go
get
> the charger, set it to 60 amps ... wait, try again. Oh yeah '96 Cherokee,
> 4.0 litre HO, auto tranmission. So I remembered someone posting that you
can
> floor it ... so I did ... and she fired up !!! I could not believe it ...
> free advice ... and it worked ... but the jeep would not hold an idle and
> the check engine light was on ... so I sat there for a while warming it
up.
> Then let it die while I packed up for work. She started ok but still no
idle
> and check engine still on. Made my way to work doing the left foot brake,
> slide into neutral, keep it running at the stops thing. Stalled once,
> started again, check engine light not on ... ok, getting better ... but
> still no solid idle. Went in to work, checked the email, hada coffee,
loaded
> up the laptop, said those yahoo I'm outta here "I'll be working at home"
> words, don't wanna get stuck here to-night. Went out, started the jeep up,
> and all is normal.
>
> So what I'm saying is, before you call for a tow, consider the above. And
by
> the way, what is that floor it technique doing ... bypassing/overriding
> something.
>
> Thanks fer listening.
Could be the battery as well. I had a '99 Durango that had the battery die,
completely. I started it, drove it for 15 miles, shut it off to get gas, and
then nothing. Tried a jump pack and it'd start, but not idle. I had to do
the same, drive with both feet so as not to let the RPMs drop. Later I found
out that the startup electrical load is more than the alternator can handle,
so the revs must be higher if the battery is shot. It'd settle down once
warm and running for a bit, the idle would hold, but it was shaky.
Could be a similar situation, with things being so cold. But then it could
be moisture in the fuel too...
J
01-14-2004, 02:00 PM
#18
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Re: fyi if yer jeep won't start
"bowgus" <Bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:%2dNb.23316$ZuL1.13651@twister01.bloor.is.net .cable.rogers.com...
> -30 C or so here to-day, out of the house at 5:30 to head out ... rrrr ...
> sputter sputter ... rrrr. Won't fire up ... battery's getting low ... go
get
> the charger, set it to 60 amps ... wait, try again. Oh yeah '96 Cherokee,
> 4.0 litre HO, auto tranmission. So I remembered someone posting that you
can
> floor it ... so I did ... and she fired up !!! I could not believe it ...
> free advice ... and it worked ... but the jeep would not hold an idle and
> the check engine light was on ... so I sat there for a while warming it
up.
> Then let it die while I packed up for work. She started ok but still no
idle
> and check engine still on. Made my way to work doing the left foot brake,
> slide into neutral, keep it running at the stops thing. Stalled once,
> started again, check engine light not on ... ok, getting better ... but
> still no solid idle. Went in to work, checked the email, hada coffee,
loaded
> up the laptop, said those yahoo I'm outta here "I'll be working at home"
> words, don't wanna get stuck here to-night. Went out, started the jeep up,
> and all is normal.
>
> So what I'm saying is, before you call for a tow, consider the above. And
by
> the way, what is that floor it technique doing ... bypassing/overriding
> something.
>
> Thanks fer listening.
Could be the battery as well. I had a '99 Durango that had the battery die,
completely. I started it, drove it for 15 miles, shut it off to get gas, and
then nothing. Tried a jump pack and it'd start, but not idle. I had to do
the same, drive with both feet so as not to let the RPMs drop. Later I found
out that the startup electrical load is more than the alternator can handle,
so the revs must be higher if the battery is shot. It'd settle down once
warm and running for a bit, the idle would hold, but it was shaky.
Could be a similar situation, with things being so cold. But then it could
be moisture in the fuel too...
J
01-14-2004, 02:00 PM
#19
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Re: fyi if yer jeep won't start
"bowgus" <Bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:%2dNb.23316$ZuL1.13651@twister01.bloor.is.net .cable.rogers.com...
> -30 C or so here to-day, out of the house at 5:30 to head out ... rrrr ...
> sputter sputter ... rrrr. Won't fire up ... battery's getting low ... go
get
> the charger, set it to 60 amps ... wait, try again. Oh yeah '96 Cherokee,
> 4.0 litre HO, auto tranmission. So I remembered someone posting that you
can
> floor it ... so I did ... and she fired up !!! I could not believe it ...
> free advice ... and it worked ... but the jeep would not hold an idle and
> the check engine light was on ... so I sat there for a while warming it
up.
> Then let it die while I packed up for work. She started ok but still no
idle
> and check engine still on. Made my way to work doing the left foot brake,
> slide into neutral, keep it running at the stops thing. Stalled once,
> started again, check engine light not on ... ok, getting better ... but
> still no solid idle. Went in to work, checked the email, hada coffee,
loaded
> up the laptop, said those yahoo I'm outta here "I'll be working at home"
> words, don't wanna get stuck here to-night. Went out, started the jeep up,
> and all is normal.
>
> So what I'm saying is, before you call for a tow, consider the above. And
by
> the way, what is that floor it technique doing ... bypassing/overriding
> something.
>
> Thanks fer listening.
Could be the battery as well. I had a '99 Durango that had the battery die,
completely. I started it, drove it for 15 miles, shut it off to get gas, and
then nothing. Tried a jump pack and it'd start, but not idle. I had to do
the same, drive with both feet so as not to let the RPMs drop. Later I found
out that the startup electrical load is more than the alternator can handle,
so the revs must be higher if the battery is shot. It'd settle down once
warm and running for a bit, the idle would hold, but it was shaky.
Could be a similar situation, with things being so cold. But then it could
be moisture in the fuel too...
J
01-14-2004, 02:18 PM
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Re: fyi if yer jeep won't start
I'm in Winnipeg, -30 C not uncommon. Nothing wrong with the truck re not
starting/flooding. At that temp the battery has only 30%of the power that
id does at room temp and the oil is quite heavey. Fuel doesn't vaporize
very well. Engine is cranking slower, ignition is weaker, fuel not igniting
as easily because it's not vaporized well, engine doesn't start. That's why
we use block heater at that temp. Probably showed an error code after
finally starting because it sensed an high HC reading via the O2 sensor and
ran ragged until it burned off all of the fuel sitting in the intake
manifold and vaporizing off the oil.
Word of caution. If you're starting at that temp with out pre-heating via a
block heater you're knocking a lot of miles off the engine's life expectancy
and running a high risk of crank failure if you're into the throttle when it
finally does start. I've seen more spun bearings as a result of this. The
oil is extremely thick and takes a while to get to everything at that temp.
In the good old days of point ignition and carberators at least they
wouldn't start. When cars started to be able to start better in extremely
cold weather we started to see more damage as I described. Used to have
their own self preservation system.
"bowgus" <Bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:%2dNb.23316$ZuL1.13651@twister01.bloor.is.net .cable.rogers.com...
> -30 C or so here to-day, out of the house at 5:30 to head out ... rrrr ...
> sputter sputter ... rrrr. Won't fire up ... battery's getting low ... go
get
> the charger, set it to 60 amps ... wait, try again. Oh yeah '96 Cherokee,
> 4.0 litre HO, auto tranmission. So I remembered someone posting that you
can
> floor it ... so I did ... and she fired up !!! I could not believe it ...
> free advice ... and it worked ... but the jeep would not hold an idle and
> the check engine light was on ... so I sat there for a while warming it
up.
> Then let it die while I packed up for work. She started ok but still no
idle
> and check engine still on. Made my way to work doing the left foot brake,
> slide into neutral, keep it running at the stops thing. Stalled once,
> started again, check engine light not on ... ok, getting better ... but
> still no solid idle. Went in to work, checked the email, hada coffee,
loaded
> up the laptop, said those yahoo I'm outta here "I'll be working at home"
> words, don't wanna get stuck here to-night. Went out, started the jeep up,
> and all is normal.
>
> So what I'm saying is, before you call for a tow, consider the above. And
by
> the way, what is that floor it technique doing ... bypassing/overriding
> something.
>
> Thanks fer listening.
>
>
starting/flooding. At that temp the battery has only 30%of the power that
id does at room temp and the oil is quite heavey. Fuel doesn't vaporize
very well. Engine is cranking slower, ignition is weaker, fuel not igniting
as easily because it's not vaporized well, engine doesn't start. That's why
we use block heater at that temp. Probably showed an error code after
finally starting because it sensed an high HC reading via the O2 sensor and
ran ragged until it burned off all of the fuel sitting in the intake
manifold and vaporizing off the oil.
Word of caution. If you're starting at that temp with out pre-heating via a
block heater you're knocking a lot of miles off the engine's life expectancy
and running a high risk of crank failure if you're into the throttle when it
finally does start. I've seen more spun bearings as a result of this. The
oil is extremely thick and takes a while to get to everything at that temp.
In the good old days of point ignition and carberators at least they
wouldn't start. When cars started to be able to start better in extremely
cold weather we started to see more damage as I described. Used to have
their own self preservation system.
"bowgus" <Bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:%2dNb.23316$ZuL1.13651@twister01.bloor.is.net .cable.rogers.com...
> -30 C or so here to-day, out of the house at 5:30 to head out ... rrrr ...
> sputter sputter ... rrrr. Won't fire up ... battery's getting low ... go
get
> the charger, set it to 60 amps ... wait, try again. Oh yeah '96 Cherokee,
> 4.0 litre HO, auto tranmission. So I remembered someone posting that you
can
> floor it ... so I did ... and she fired up !!! I could not believe it ...
> free advice ... and it worked ... but the jeep would not hold an idle and
> the check engine light was on ... so I sat there for a while warming it
up.
> Then let it die while I packed up for work. She started ok but still no
idle
> and check engine still on. Made my way to work doing the left foot brake,
> slide into neutral, keep it running at the stops thing. Stalled once,
> started again, check engine light not on ... ok, getting better ... but
> still no solid idle. Went in to work, checked the email, hada coffee,
loaded
> up the laptop, said those yahoo I'm outta here "I'll be working at home"
> words, don't wanna get stuck here to-night. Went out, started the jeep up,
> and all is normal.
>
> So what I'm saying is, before you call for a tow, consider the above. And
by
> the way, what is that floor it technique doing ... bypassing/overriding
> something.
>
> Thanks fer listening.
>
>