fyi if yer jeep won't start
 

-30 C or so here to-day, out of the house at 5:30 to head out ... rrrr ...
sputter sputter ... rrrr. Won't fire up ... battery's getting low ... go get
the charger, set it to 60 amps ... wait, try again. Oh yeah '96 Cherokee,
4.0 litre HO, auto tranmission. So I remembered someone posting that you can
floor it ... so I did ... and she fired up !!! I could not believe it ...
free advice ... and it worked ... but the jeep would not hold an idle and
the check engine light was on ... so I sat there for a while warming it up.
Then let it die while I packed up for work. She started ok but still no idle
and check engine still on. Made my way to work doing the left foot brake,
slide into neutral, keep it running at the stops thing. Stalled once,
started again, check engine light not on ... ok, getting better ... but
still no solid idle. Went in to work, checked the email, hada coffee, loaded
up the laptop, said those yahoo I'm outta here "I'll be working at home"
words, don't wanna get stuck here to-night. Went out, started the jeep up,
and all is normal.

So what I'm saying is, before you call for a tow, consider the above. And by
the way, what is that floor it technique doing ... bypassing/overriding
something.

Thanks fer listening.

Re: fyi if yer jeep won't start
 

It has sensors in it that see a floored gas pedal and the starter
turning as a flooded condition so it shuts off the injectors.

That implies to me a shaky connection on something electrical allowing
the flood in the first place.

After the humidity of the last few days and this flash freeze, I would
be suspecting some moisture got in the plug for something like the TPS
or MAP or even the coil power plug and froze up.

I would be opening all of them up and spraying them out with WD40 then
putting them back together with some dielectric grease on the seals to
keep out any more water. Even just the spray is good for a while.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's


bowgus wrote:
>
> -30 C or so here to-day, out of the house at 5:30 to head out ... rrrr ...
> sputter sputter ... rrrr. Won't fire up ... battery's getting low ... go get
> the charger, set it to 60 amps ... wait, try again. Oh yeah '96 Cherokee,
> 4.0 litre HO, auto tranmission. So I remembered someone posting that you can
> floor it ... so I did ... and she fired up !!! I could not believe it ...
> free advice ... and it worked ... but the jeep would not hold an idle and
> the check engine light was on ... so I sat there for a while warming it up.
> Then let it die while I packed up for work. She started ok but still no idle
> and check engine still on. Made my way to work doing the left foot brake,
> slide into neutral, keep it running at the stops thing. Stalled once,
> started again, check engine light not on ... ok, getting better ... but
> still no solid idle. Went in to work, checked the email, hada coffee, loaded
> up the laptop, said those yahoo I'm outta here "I'll be working at home"
> words, don't wanna get stuck here to-night. Went out, started the jeep up,
> and all is normal.
>
> So what I'm saying is, before you call for a tow, consider the above. And by
> the way, what is that floor it technique doing ... bypassing/overriding
> something.
>
> Thanks fer listening.

Re: fyi if yer jeep won't start
 

It has sensors in it that see a floored gas pedal and the starter
turning as a flooded condition so it shuts off the injectors.

That implies to me a shaky connection on something electrical allowing
the flood in the first place.

After the humidity of the last few days and this flash freeze, I would
be suspecting some moisture got in the plug for something like the TPS
or MAP or even the coil power plug and froze up.

I would be opening all of them up and spraying them out with WD40 then
putting them back together with some dielectric grease on the seals to
keep out any more water. Even just the spray is good for a while.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's


bowgus wrote:
>
> -30 C or so here to-day, out of the house at 5:30 to head out ... rrrr ...
> sputter sputter ... rrrr. Won't fire up ... battery's getting low ... go get
> the charger, set it to 60 amps ... wait, try again. Oh yeah '96 Cherokee,
> 4.0 litre HO, auto tranmission. So I remembered someone posting that you can
> floor it ... so I did ... and she fired up !!! I could not believe it ...
> free advice ... and it worked ... but the jeep would not hold an idle and
> the check engine light was on ... so I sat there for a while warming it up.
> Then let it die while I packed up for work. She started ok but still no idle
> and check engine still on. Made my way to work doing the left foot brake,
> slide into neutral, keep it running at the stops thing. Stalled once,
> started again, check engine light not on ... ok, getting better ... but
> still no solid idle. Went in to work, checked the email, hada coffee, loaded
> up the laptop, said those yahoo I'm outta here "I'll be working at home"
> words, don't wanna get stuck here to-night. Went out, started the jeep up,
> and all is normal.
>
> So what I'm saying is, before you call for a tow, consider the above. And by
> the way, what is that floor it technique doing ... bypassing/overriding
> something.
>
> Thanks fer listening.

Re: fyi if yer jeep won't start
 

It has sensors in it that see a floored gas pedal and the starter
turning as a flooded condition so it shuts off the injectors.

That implies to me a shaky connection on something electrical allowing
the flood in the first place.

After the humidity of the last few days and this flash freeze, I would
be suspecting some moisture got in the plug for something like the TPS
or MAP or even the coil power plug and froze up.

I would be opening all of them up and spraying them out with WD40 then
putting them back together with some dielectric grease on the seals to
keep out any more water. Even just the spray is good for a while.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's


bowgus wrote:
>
> -30 C or so here to-day, out of the house at 5:30 to head out ... rrrr ...
> sputter sputter ... rrrr. Won't fire up ... battery's getting low ... go get
> the charger, set it to 60 amps ... wait, try again. Oh yeah '96 Cherokee,
> 4.0 litre HO, auto tranmission. So I remembered someone posting that you can
> floor it ... so I did ... and she fired up !!! I could not believe it ...
> free advice ... and it worked ... but the jeep would not hold an idle and
> the check engine light was on ... so I sat there for a while warming it up.
> Then let it die while I packed up for work. She started ok but still no idle
> and check engine still on. Made my way to work doing the left foot brake,
> slide into neutral, keep it running at the stops thing. Stalled once,
> started again, check engine light not on ... ok, getting better ... but
> still no solid idle. Went in to work, checked the email, hada coffee, loaded
> up the laptop, said those yahoo I'm outta here "I'll be working at home"
> words, don't wanna get stuck here to-night. Went out, started the jeep up,
> and all is normal.
>
> So what I'm saying is, before you call for a tow, consider the above. And by
> the way, what is that floor it technique doing ... bypassing/overriding
> something.
>
> Thanks fer listening.

Re: fyi if yer jeep won't start
 

Generally when it's flooded you floor it.

Be carefull at cold temps when it floods out
gas tends to get in the oil. Pull the dipstick
and smell for gas. If so change it. Heck change it
anyway to be safe.

Reminds me of my old 88YJ. The only day it wouldn't
start was at -39 C, Well actually it did start
but wouldn't idle right, it had a carb.
Eventually it totally flooded out and died.
A tow to a warm garage and a oil change
fixed her right up.
This was the only time the ol' buggy
(that I drove for 12 years) ever let me down..
Sniff....I miss er :-(

P.S. Someone told me yesterday that when flooring
a fuel injected car (when not running), the fuel pump shuts off.
Is this true for 01TJs?

bowgus wrote:
> -30 C or so here to-day, out of the house at 5:30 to head out ... rrrr ...
> sputter sputter ... rrrr. Won't fire up ... battery's getting low ... go get
> the charger, set it to 60 amps ... wait, try again. Oh yeah '96 Cherokee,
> 4.0 litre HO, auto tranmission. So I remembered someone posting that you can
> floor it ... so I did ... and she fired up !!! I could not believe it ...
> free advice ... and it worked ... but the jeep would not hold an idle and
> the check engine light was on ... so I sat there for a while warming it up.
> Then let it die while I packed up for work. She started ok but still no idle
> and check engine still on. Made my way to work doing the left foot brake,
> slide into neutral, keep it running at the stops thing. Stalled once,
> started again, check engine light not on ... ok, getting better ... but
> still no solid idle. Went in to work, checked the email, hada coffee, loaded
> up the laptop, said those yahoo I'm outta here "I'll be working at home"
> words, don't wanna get stuck here to-night. Went out, started the jeep up,
> and all is normal.
>
> So what I'm saying is, before you call for a tow, consider the above. And by
> the way, what is that floor it technique doing ... bypassing/overriding
> something.
>
> Thanks fer listening.
>
>

Re: fyi if yer jeep won't start
 

Generally when it's flooded you floor it.

Be carefull at cold temps when it floods out
gas tends to get in the oil. Pull the dipstick
and smell for gas. If so change it. Heck change it
anyway to be safe.

Reminds me of my old 88YJ. The only day it wouldn't
start was at -39 C, Well actually it did start
but wouldn't idle right, it had a carb.
Eventually it totally flooded out and died.
A tow to a warm garage and a oil change
fixed her right up.
This was the only time the ol' buggy
(that I drove for 12 years) ever let me down..
Sniff....I miss er :-(

P.S. Someone told me yesterday that when flooring
a fuel injected car (when not running), the fuel pump shuts off.
Is this true for 01TJs?

bowgus wrote:
> -30 C or so here to-day, out of the house at 5:30 to head out ... rrrr ...
> sputter sputter ... rrrr. Won't fire up ... battery's getting low ... go get
> the charger, set it to 60 amps ... wait, try again. Oh yeah '96 Cherokee,
> 4.0 litre HO, auto tranmission. So I remembered someone posting that you can
> floor it ... so I did ... and she fired up !!! I could not believe it ...
> free advice ... and it worked ... but the jeep would not hold an idle and
> the check engine light was on ... so I sat there for a while warming it up.
> Then let it die while I packed up for work. She started ok but still no idle
> and check engine still on. Made my way to work doing the left foot brake,
> slide into neutral, keep it running at the stops thing. Stalled once,
> started again, check engine light not on ... ok, getting better ... but
> still no solid idle. Went in to work, checked the email, hada coffee, loaded
> up the laptop, said those yahoo I'm outta here "I'll be working at home"
> words, don't wanna get stuck here to-night. Went out, started the jeep up,
> and all is normal.
>
> So what I'm saying is, before you call for a tow, consider the above. And by
> the way, what is that floor it technique doing ... bypassing/overriding
> something.
>
> Thanks fer listening.
>
>

Re: fyi if yer jeep won't start
 

Generally when it's flooded you floor it.

Be carefull at cold temps when it floods out
gas tends to get in the oil. Pull the dipstick
and smell for gas. If so change it. Heck change it
anyway to be safe.

Reminds me of my old 88YJ. The only day it wouldn't
start was at -39 C, Well actually it did start
but wouldn't idle right, it had a carb.
Eventually it totally flooded out and died.
A tow to a warm garage and a oil change
fixed her right up.
This was the only time the ol' buggy
(that I drove for 12 years) ever let me down..
Sniff....I miss er :-(

P.S. Someone told me yesterday that when flooring
a fuel injected car (when not running), the fuel pump shuts off.
Is this true for 01TJs?

bowgus wrote:
> -30 C or so here to-day, out of the house at 5:30 to head out ... rrrr ...
> sputter sputter ... rrrr. Won't fire up ... battery's getting low ... go get
> the charger, set it to 60 amps ... wait, try again. Oh yeah '96 Cherokee,
> 4.0 litre HO, auto tranmission. So I remembered someone posting that you can
> floor it ... so I did ... and she fired up !!! I could not believe it ...
> free advice ... and it worked ... but the jeep would not hold an idle and
> the check engine light was on ... so I sat there for a while warming it up.
> Then let it die while I packed up for work. She started ok but still no idle
> and check engine still on. Made my way to work doing the left foot brake,
> slide into neutral, keep it running at the stops thing. Stalled once,
> started again, check engine light not on ... ok, getting better ... but
> still no solid idle. Went in to work, checked the email, hada coffee, loaded
> up the laptop, said those yahoo I'm outta here "I'll be working at home"
> words, don't wanna get stuck here to-night. Went out, started the jeep up,
> and all is normal.
>
> So what I'm saying is, before you call for a tow, consider the above. And by
> the way, what is that floor it technique doing ... bypassing/overriding
> something.
>
> Thanks fer listening.
>
>

Re: fyi if yer jeep won't start
 

Yeah ... I'm assuming just a "minor" malfunction that cleared itself ... but
an interesting sequence of events ... never happened before, and hopefully
won't happen again. Ok ... so thanks for the injector shut down info ...
I'll guess the inability to idle resulted in minor flooding cleared by the
injector shut down feature which got me going ... and something did not take
kindly to sitting out in that cold damp night.


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:400562B2.20F6133F@sympatico.ca...
> It has sensors in it that see a floored gas pedal and the starter
> turning as a flooded condition so it shuts off the injectors.
>
> That implies to me a shaky connection on something electrical allowing
> the flood in the first place.
>
> After the humidity of the last few days and this flash freeze, I would
> be suspecting some moisture got in the plug for something like the TPS
> or MAP or even the coil power plug and froze up.
>
> I would be opening all of them up and spraying them out with WD40 then
> putting them back together with some dielectric grease on the seals to
> keep out any more water. Even just the spray is good for a while.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
>
> bowgus wrote:
> >
> > -30 C or so here to-day, out of the house at 5:30 to head out ... rrrr
....
> > sputter sputter ... rrrr. Won't fire up ... battery's getting low ... go
get
> > the charger, set it to 60 amps ... wait, try again. Oh yeah '96
Cherokee,
> > 4.0 litre HO, auto tranmission. So I remembered someone posting that you
can
> > floor it ... so I did ... and she fired up !!! I could not believe it
....
> > free advice ... and it worked ... but the jeep would not hold an idle
and
> > the check engine light was on ... so I sat there for a while warming it
up.
> > Then let it die while I packed up for work. She started ok but still no
idle
> > and check engine still on. Made my way to work doing the left foot
brake,
> > slide into neutral, keep it running at the stops thing. Stalled once,
> > started again, check engine light not on ... ok, getting better ... but
> > still no solid idle. Went in to work, checked the email, hada coffee,
loaded
> > up the laptop, said those yahoo I'm outta here "I'll be working at home"
> > words, don't wanna get stuck here to-night. Went out, started the jeep
up,
> > and all is normal.
> >
> > So what I'm saying is, before you call for a tow, consider the above.
And by
> > the way, what is that floor it technique doing ... bypassing/overriding
> > something.
> >
> > Thanks fer listening.

Re: fyi if yer jeep won't start
 

Yeah ... I'm assuming just a "minor" malfunction that cleared itself ... but
an interesting sequence of events ... never happened before, and hopefully
won't happen again. Ok ... so thanks for the injector shut down info ...
I'll guess the inability to idle resulted in minor flooding cleared by the
injector shut down feature which got me going ... and something did not take
kindly to sitting out in that cold damp night.


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:400562B2.20F6133F@sympatico.ca...
> It has sensors in it that see a floored gas pedal and the starter
> turning as a flooded condition so it shuts off the injectors.
>
> That implies to me a shaky connection on something electrical allowing
> the flood in the first place.
>
> After the humidity of the last few days and this flash freeze, I would
> be suspecting some moisture got in the plug for something like the TPS
> or MAP or even the coil power plug and froze up.
>
> I would be opening all of them up and spraying them out with WD40 then
> putting them back together with some dielectric grease on the seals to
> keep out any more water. Even just the spray is good for a while.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
>
> bowgus wrote:
> >
> > -30 C or so here to-day, out of the house at 5:30 to head out ... rrrr
....
> > sputter sputter ... rrrr. Won't fire up ... battery's getting low ... go
get
> > the charger, set it to 60 amps ... wait, try again. Oh yeah '96
Cherokee,
> > 4.0 litre HO, auto tranmission. So I remembered someone posting that you
can
> > floor it ... so I did ... and she fired up !!! I could not believe it
....
> > free advice ... and it worked ... but the jeep would not hold an idle
and
> > the check engine light was on ... so I sat there for a while warming it
up.
> > Then let it die while I packed up for work. She started ok but still no
idle
> > and check engine still on. Made my way to work doing the left foot
brake,
> > slide into neutral, keep it running at the stops thing. Stalled once,
> > started again, check engine light not on ... ok, getting better ... but
> > still no solid idle. Went in to work, checked the email, hada coffee,
loaded
> > up the laptop, said those yahoo I'm outta here "I'll be working at home"
> > words, don't wanna get stuck here to-night. Went out, started the jeep
up,
> > and all is normal.
> >
> > So what I'm saying is, before you call for a tow, consider the above.
And by
> > the way, what is that floor it technique doing ... bypassing/overriding
> > something.
> >
> > Thanks fer listening.

Re: fyi if yer jeep won't start
 

Yeah ... I'm assuming just a "minor" malfunction that cleared itself ... but
an interesting sequence of events ... never happened before, and hopefully
won't happen again. Ok ... so thanks for the injector shut down info ...
I'll guess the inability to idle resulted in minor flooding cleared by the
injector shut down feature which got me going ... and something did not take
kindly to sitting out in that cold damp night.


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:400562B2.20F6133F@sympatico.ca...
> It has sensors in it that see a floored gas pedal and the starter
> turning as a flooded condition so it shuts off the injectors.
>
> That implies to me a shaky connection on something electrical allowing
> the flood in the first place.
>
> After the humidity of the last few days and this flash freeze, I would
> be suspecting some moisture got in the plug for something like the TPS
> or MAP or even the coil power plug and froze up.
>
> I would be opening all of them up and spraying them out with WD40 then
> putting them back together with some dielectric grease on the seals to
> keep out any more water. Even just the spray is good for a while.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
>
> bowgus wrote:
> >
> > -30 C or so here to-day, out of the house at 5:30 to head out ... rrrr
....
> > sputter sputter ... rrrr. Won't fire up ... battery's getting low ... go
get
> > the charger, set it to 60 amps ... wait, try again. Oh yeah '96
Cherokee,
> > 4.0 litre HO, auto tranmission. So I remembered someone posting that you
can
> > floor it ... so I did ... and she fired up !!! I could not believe it
....
> > free advice ... and it worked ... but the jeep would not hold an idle
and
> > the check engine light was on ... so I sat there for a while warming it
up.
> > Then let it die while I packed up for work. She started ok but still no
idle
> > and check engine still on. Made my way to work doing the left foot
brake,
> > slide into neutral, keep it running at the stops thing. Stalled once,
> > started again, check engine light not on ... ok, getting better ... but
> > still no solid idle. Went in to work, checked the email, hada coffee,
loaded
> > up the laptop, said those yahoo I'm outta here "I'll be working at home"
> > words, don't wanna get stuck here to-night. Went out, started the jeep
up,
> > and all is normal.
> >
> > So what I'm saying is, before you call for a tow, consider the above.
And by
> > the way, what is that floor it technique doing ... bypassing/overriding
> > something.
> >
> > Thanks fer listening.