Flushing brake lines
08-18-2005, 12:53 PM
#111
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Now Canadian bush running...
That was probably as much fun to watch as compete!
I'm hoping to be there (or is it hopping? Hoping to hop, hopping to hope)
Anyway....
I'm trying to round up my errant camping gear. I haven't used it in a while
and it was scattered to the four winds being loaned out to family and, I
assume, friends of the family. My son-in-law had my sleeping bag but
insisted the tent was at my house. The point of this discourse is that I
was fairly certain that the only camping equipment that was actually at my
house was the old Coleman gasoline stove I bought at a police auction for $1
and rebuilt. The tent arrived in the mail yesterday from Tennessee and the
CB came in from California (!) so I now have most of the equipment I would
need back. Bobbie has some of the stuff in Iraq so I'll have to buy new or
do without.
The Jeep is ready to go. I cleaned the tent last night and it is in the
yard airing. Of course the sewer department decided today is a good day to
be working in my front and side yards so I might have to wash out a whole
new set of odors! I may have to refund some of the money I was going to use
to finance the trip from the sale of the running boards I bought for my old
XJ but never installed. It looks like FedEx threw them off the truck, ran
over them, and now is jerking the buyer around when he tried to make the
claim. I guess the photograph I took a couple weeks ago when I listed the
ad are not sufficient to prove they were not bent up and the box smashed
when they left here.
Then finally gasoline will probably be around $68 a gallon over Labor Day so
that will also have to be factored into the budget. What was the current
price per liter on your trip?
Sorry about your neck, we'll have to compare CAT scans. I can rig you up a
traction unit to use at night and perhaps we can get you a litttle bit off
road in the WJ as it probably rides a bit smoother than your built CJ.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:430283F8.777D5B19@sympatico.ca...
> They just live out at the paved road, a little north where that store is
> and were in for a week.
>
> We were going to hear them no matter where we were and the area was
> crowded so we camped next door. For entertainment, they all got drunked
> up on beer and whisky and honest to god told the wives, 'here hold my
> drink and watch this!' while they had a game of tag football out in the
> shallow lake off the beach using a soft nerf ball while driving their
> ATV's!!!!!!!! 6 and more ATV's with 2 drunks on each.
>
> Then the wives said screw this and got on their own ATV's to join
> in!!!!!
>
> It was freaking hilarious. If I had of had a video, I would clean up on
> any of those home TV video shows....
>
> The most amazing thing is it went on for about 3 hours and no one got
> hurt and they managed to drive all the bikes out. One sounded really
> bad though...
>
> It finally ended with all the bikes except one swamped.
>
> The family resemblance between the cousins is umm... striking to say the
> least. We know one of their cousins who is a trapper my son and nephew
> rescued New Years Eve 2000, 4 hours after he put his ATV through the ice
> in a marsh. The boys were checking out a causeway with the lantern for
> a safe place to set off fireworks when they heard a faint call for help
> coming from across the marsh. They hiked out and dragged him to the
> cabin we were in. It was -20C or so out and snowing. We thawed him and
> drove him out via those bush roads, way over 50 miles return. Got back
> to camp just in time to crack the champagne for midnight. Fireworks
> were a bit late, but even nicer than expected!....
>
> We also were camped the right way to see that strobe light you
> mentioned. There is a lake that is a summer resort a bit north east and
> float planes come in there. That must have a strobe because it isn't on
> in the winter.
>
> Do you think you can make the 10 day end of the summer run?
>
> Looks like a bunch coming, I will just be camping, but others will be
> trail running. 3 of my doctors have informed me my serious off roading
> days are permanently over after the last neck MRI results. I have 5
> vertebra compressed from C3 to C7 pinching nerves on every one with one
> pushing on my spinal cord itself. Nasty crap!
>
> Mike
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> Did you get the idea that those folks were living there and not just
>> camping?
>>
>> They were well prepared in their tent city and had a couple cords of
>> firewood and were still cutting more on that 88 degree day when I spoke
>> to
>> them. They were nice enough but I had the feeling I get when I am at my
>> 2nd
>> cousins up in Michigan's Upper Peninsula that the locals "just weren't
>> right."
>>
>> I don't recall mentioning the internet and I'm not the type to listen to
>> "techno-wave" Actually, I could not tell you what "techno-wave" is
>> is... I
>> think I would classify it as "hippy music" or perhaps "dope crazed hippie
>> music"
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43025350.54123C72@sympatico.ca...
>> > He should be expecting to do a MC change soon.....
>> >
>> > Oh, so I ran into some 'local yokels' up there camping and for sure
>> > they
>> > were the same ones with the ------- mouthy dog as when I/we were in the
>> > bush and these fools were likely jerking your chain for directions.
>> >
>> > A bunch of years ago the government changed the name of the lakes we
>> > were on. The locals know them as Mink, where I was and Deer, where you
>> > was. If they saw your plates or you mentioned internet, they played
>> > dumb on you for sure because a week before some 'techno rave' happened
>> > with over a thousand people from all over central North America at that
>> > old airstrip. It was an internet link that brought everyone and the
>> > locals are seriously pissed about it.
>> >
>> > The one gent I was talking to that owned the dog implied 'he' didn't
>> > play dumb on you because 'he' knows both names while giving someone
>> > else
>> > there a dirty stare.....
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> >
>> > Billy Ray wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Welcome back Mike,
>> >>
>> >> The larger floaters were in the master cylinder when we siphoned it
>> >> out
>> >> before starting the flush. The procedure we used was that the master
>> >> cylinder was siphoned, refilled with fresh fluid, and then "pumped"
>> >> through.
>> >> There were some tiny specks in the drained fluid but the larger ones
>> >> (but
>> >> still very small) we removed by siphoning beforehand.
>> >>
>> >> I don't know if it is related but Ed's fluid reservoir was coated in a
>> >> layer
>> >> of ....slime (for lack of a better term)
>> >>
>> >> As for the cup/seal wear I guess we will see what, if anything,
>> >> happens.
>> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> >> news:43023D57.1B4B9586@sympatico.ca...
>> >> > Ouch....
>> >> >
>> >> > Those black bits were piston cups or o-rings and whatever component
>> >> > they
>> >> > came from is going to fail fast. I would be paying close attention
>> >> > to
>> >> > the brake pedal feel for a while, especially when holding it down at
>> >> > stops....
>> >> >
>> >> > Those bits often break off the guts of the MC when doing the 'old'
>> >> > bleed. (Garages 'love' people that do their own brake flushe$$$)
>> >> > If
>> >> > the pedal depresses way down as the bleeder is opened, it can force
>> >> > the
>> >> > piston cups past a rust or wear ridge which can and usually does
>> >> > take
>> >> > chunks out of old hardened o-rings or cups. The MC then usually
>> >> > fails
>> >> > soon after.
>> >> >
>> >> > It isn't so bad on a new master because all the rings and such are
>> >> > still
>> >> > soft with no rust ridge.
>> >> >
>> >> > Same thing for black bits can happen after a brake shoe or pad
>> >> > change.
>> >> > As the pistons are compressed, bits of ring can break off which will
>> >> > eventually cause a leak failure.
>> >> >
>> >> > The black crap in the XJ's intake is CCV caused blowby starting
>> >> > usually. The CCV system is very touchy on those so when the tiny
>> >> > tube
>> >> > and 'metered' hole get a little gunk in them, the crankcase intake
>> >> > line
>> >> > starts to feed smoke into the top of the throttle body. It will get
>> >> > bad
>> >> > enough to start spitting oil onto the air filter in the corner too
>> >> > soon.
>> >> >
>> >> > Here is a good link on that for him. I just used carb cleaner and a
>> >> > chunk of wire to clean my CCV tube and a paper clip does the metered
>> >> > hole in the grommet.
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/cheroke...ltr/blowby.htm
>> >> >
>> >> > Mike
>> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >> >
>> >> > Billy Ray wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> My neighbor and I flushed the brakes on his '96 XJ and My '02 WJ
>> >> >> this
>> >> >> afternoon.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In both our Jeeps when the lines were flushed clean we found small
>> >> >> black
>> >> >> floaters in the drained fluid.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On another note when we replaced the air filter in Ed's 4 liter XJ
>> >> >> we
>> >> >> found
>> >> >> the inside of the throttle body to be caked with carbon or soot.
>> >> >> What
>> >> >> was
>> >> >> the cause of that?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> >> >> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> >> >> Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
I'm hoping to be there (or is it hopping? Hoping to hop, hopping to hope)
Anyway....
I'm trying to round up my errant camping gear. I haven't used it in a while
and it was scattered to the four winds being loaned out to family and, I
assume, friends of the family. My son-in-law had my sleeping bag but
insisted the tent was at my house. The point of this discourse is that I
was fairly certain that the only camping equipment that was actually at my
house was the old Coleman gasoline stove I bought at a police auction for $1
and rebuilt. The tent arrived in the mail yesterday from Tennessee and the
CB came in from California (!) so I now have most of the equipment I would
need back. Bobbie has some of the stuff in Iraq so I'll have to buy new or
do without.
The Jeep is ready to go. I cleaned the tent last night and it is in the
yard airing. Of course the sewer department decided today is a good day to
be working in my front and side yards so I might have to wash out a whole
new set of odors! I may have to refund some of the money I was going to use
to finance the trip from the sale of the running boards I bought for my old
XJ but never installed. It looks like FedEx threw them off the truck, ran
over them, and now is jerking the buyer around when he tried to make the
claim. I guess the photograph I took a couple weeks ago when I listed the
ad are not sufficient to prove they were not bent up and the box smashed
when they left here.
Then finally gasoline will probably be around $68 a gallon over Labor Day so
that will also have to be factored into the budget. What was the current
price per liter on your trip?
Sorry about your neck, we'll have to compare CAT scans. I can rig you up a
traction unit to use at night and perhaps we can get you a litttle bit off
road in the WJ as it probably rides a bit smoother than your built CJ.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:430283F8.777D5B19@sympatico.ca...
> They just live out at the paved road, a little north where that store is
> and were in for a week.
>
> We were going to hear them no matter where we were and the area was
> crowded so we camped next door. For entertainment, they all got drunked
> up on beer and whisky and honest to god told the wives, 'here hold my
> drink and watch this!' while they had a game of tag football out in the
> shallow lake off the beach using a soft nerf ball while driving their
> ATV's!!!!!!!! 6 and more ATV's with 2 drunks on each.
>
> Then the wives said screw this and got on their own ATV's to join
> in!!!!!
>
> It was freaking hilarious. If I had of had a video, I would clean up on
> any of those home TV video shows....
>
> The most amazing thing is it went on for about 3 hours and no one got
> hurt and they managed to drive all the bikes out. One sounded really
> bad though...
>
> It finally ended with all the bikes except one swamped.
>
> The family resemblance between the cousins is umm... striking to say the
> least. We know one of their cousins who is a trapper my son and nephew
> rescued New Years Eve 2000, 4 hours after he put his ATV through the ice
> in a marsh. The boys were checking out a causeway with the lantern for
> a safe place to set off fireworks when they heard a faint call for help
> coming from across the marsh. They hiked out and dragged him to the
> cabin we were in. It was -20C or so out and snowing. We thawed him and
> drove him out via those bush roads, way over 50 miles return. Got back
> to camp just in time to crack the champagne for midnight. Fireworks
> were a bit late, but even nicer than expected!....
>
> We also were camped the right way to see that strobe light you
> mentioned. There is a lake that is a summer resort a bit north east and
> float planes come in there. That must have a strobe because it isn't on
> in the winter.
>
> Do you think you can make the 10 day end of the summer run?
>
> Looks like a bunch coming, I will just be camping, but others will be
> trail running. 3 of my doctors have informed me my serious off roading
> days are permanently over after the last neck MRI results. I have 5
> vertebra compressed from C3 to C7 pinching nerves on every one with one
> pushing on my spinal cord itself. Nasty crap!
>
> Mike
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> Did you get the idea that those folks were living there and not just
>> camping?
>>
>> They were well prepared in their tent city and had a couple cords of
>> firewood and were still cutting more on that 88 degree day when I spoke
>> to
>> them. They were nice enough but I had the feeling I get when I am at my
>> 2nd
>> cousins up in Michigan's Upper Peninsula that the locals "just weren't
>> right."
>>
>> I don't recall mentioning the internet and I'm not the type to listen to
>> "techno-wave" Actually, I could not tell you what "techno-wave" is
>> is... I
>> think I would classify it as "hippy music" or perhaps "dope crazed hippie
>> music"
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43025350.54123C72@sympatico.ca...
>> > He should be expecting to do a MC change soon.....
>> >
>> > Oh, so I ran into some 'local yokels' up there camping and for sure
>> > they
>> > were the same ones with the ------- mouthy dog as when I/we were in the
>> > bush and these fools were likely jerking your chain for directions.
>> >
>> > A bunch of years ago the government changed the name of the lakes we
>> > were on. The locals know them as Mink, where I was and Deer, where you
>> > was. If they saw your plates or you mentioned internet, they played
>> > dumb on you for sure because a week before some 'techno rave' happened
>> > with over a thousand people from all over central North America at that
>> > old airstrip. It was an internet link that brought everyone and the
>> > locals are seriously pissed about it.
>> >
>> > The one gent I was talking to that owned the dog implied 'he' didn't
>> > play dumb on you because 'he' knows both names while giving someone
>> > else
>> > there a dirty stare.....
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> >
>> > Billy Ray wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Welcome back Mike,
>> >>
>> >> The larger floaters were in the master cylinder when we siphoned it
>> >> out
>> >> before starting the flush. The procedure we used was that the master
>> >> cylinder was siphoned, refilled with fresh fluid, and then "pumped"
>> >> through.
>> >> There were some tiny specks in the drained fluid but the larger ones
>> >> (but
>> >> still very small) we removed by siphoning beforehand.
>> >>
>> >> I don't know if it is related but Ed's fluid reservoir was coated in a
>> >> layer
>> >> of ....slime (for lack of a better term)
>> >>
>> >> As for the cup/seal wear I guess we will see what, if anything,
>> >> happens.
>> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> >> news:43023D57.1B4B9586@sympatico.ca...
>> >> > Ouch....
>> >> >
>> >> > Those black bits were piston cups or o-rings and whatever component
>> >> > they
>> >> > came from is going to fail fast. I would be paying close attention
>> >> > to
>> >> > the brake pedal feel for a while, especially when holding it down at
>> >> > stops....
>> >> >
>> >> > Those bits often break off the guts of the MC when doing the 'old'
>> >> > bleed. (Garages 'love' people that do their own brake flushe$$$)
>> >> > If
>> >> > the pedal depresses way down as the bleeder is opened, it can force
>> >> > the
>> >> > piston cups past a rust or wear ridge which can and usually does
>> >> > take
>> >> > chunks out of old hardened o-rings or cups. The MC then usually
>> >> > fails
>> >> > soon after.
>> >> >
>> >> > It isn't so bad on a new master because all the rings and such are
>> >> > still
>> >> > soft with no rust ridge.
>> >> >
>> >> > Same thing for black bits can happen after a brake shoe or pad
>> >> > change.
>> >> > As the pistons are compressed, bits of ring can break off which will
>> >> > eventually cause a leak failure.
>> >> >
>> >> > The black crap in the XJ's intake is CCV caused blowby starting
>> >> > usually. The CCV system is very touchy on those so when the tiny
>> >> > tube
>> >> > and 'metered' hole get a little gunk in them, the crankcase intake
>> >> > line
>> >> > starts to feed smoke into the top of the throttle body. It will get
>> >> > bad
>> >> > enough to start spitting oil onto the air filter in the corner too
>> >> > soon.
>> >> >
>> >> > Here is a good link on that for him. I just used carb cleaner and a
>> >> > chunk of wire to clean my CCV tube and a paper clip does the metered
>> >> > hole in the grommet.
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/cheroke...ltr/blowby.htm
>> >> >
>> >> > Mike
>> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >> >
>> >> > Billy Ray wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> My neighbor and I flushed the brakes on his '96 XJ and My '02 WJ
>> >> >> this
>> >> >> afternoon.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In both our Jeeps when the lines were flushed clean we found small
>> >> >> black
>> >> >> floaters in the drained fluid.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On another note when we replaced the air filter in Ed's 4 liter XJ
>> >> >> we
>> >> >> found
>> >> >> the inside of the throttle body to be caked with carbon or soot.
>> >> >> What
>> >> >> was
>> >> >> the cause of that?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> >> >> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> >> >> Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
08-18-2005, 12:53 PM
#112
Guest
Posts: n/a
Now Canadian bush running...
That was probably as much fun to watch as compete!
I'm hoping to be there (or is it hopping? Hoping to hop, hopping to hope)
Anyway....
I'm trying to round up my errant camping gear. I haven't used it in a while
and it was scattered to the four winds being loaned out to family and, I
assume, friends of the family. My son-in-law had my sleeping bag but
insisted the tent was at my house. The point of this discourse is that I
was fairly certain that the only camping equipment that was actually at my
house was the old Coleman gasoline stove I bought at a police auction for $1
and rebuilt. The tent arrived in the mail yesterday from Tennessee and the
CB came in from California (!) so I now have most of the equipment I would
need back. Bobbie has some of the stuff in Iraq so I'll have to buy new or
do without.
The Jeep is ready to go. I cleaned the tent last night and it is in the
yard airing. Of course the sewer department decided today is a good day to
be working in my front and side yards so I might have to wash out a whole
new set of odors! I may have to refund some of the money I was going to use
to finance the trip from the sale of the running boards I bought for my old
XJ but never installed. It looks like FedEx threw them off the truck, ran
over them, and now is jerking the buyer around when he tried to make the
claim. I guess the photograph I took a couple weeks ago when I listed the
ad are not sufficient to prove they were not bent up and the box smashed
when they left here.
Then finally gasoline will probably be around $68 a gallon over Labor Day so
that will also have to be factored into the budget. What was the current
price per liter on your trip?
Sorry about your neck, we'll have to compare CAT scans. I can rig you up a
traction unit to use at night and perhaps we can get you a litttle bit off
road in the WJ as it probably rides a bit smoother than your built CJ.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:430283F8.777D5B19@sympatico.ca...
> They just live out at the paved road, a little north where that store is
> and were in for a week.
>
> We were going to hear them no matter where we were and the area was
> crowded so we camped next door. For entertainment, they all got drunked
> up on beer and whisky and honest to god told the wives, 'here hold my
> drink and watch this!' while they had a game of tag football out in the
> shallow lake off the beach using a soft nerf ball while driving their
> ATV's!!!!!!!! 6 and more ATV's with 2 drunks on each.
>
> Then the wives said screw this and got on their own ATV's to join
> in!!!!!
>
> It was freaking hilarious. If I had of had a video, I would clean up on
> any of those home TV video shows....
>
> The most amazing thing is it went on for about 3 hours and no one got
> hurt and they managed to drive all the bikes out. One sounded really
> bad though...
>
> It finally ended with all the bikes except one swamped.
>
> The family resemblance between the cousins is umm... striking to say the
> least. We know one of their cousins who is a trapper my son and nephew
> rescued New Years Eve 2000, 4 hours after he put his ATV through the ice
> in a marsh. The boys were checking out a causeway with the lantern for
> a safe place to set off fireworks when they heard a faint call for help
> coming from across the marsh. They hiked out and dragged him to the
> cabin we were in. It was -20C or so out and snowing. We thawed him and
> drove him out via those bush roads, way over 50 miles return. Got back
> to camp just in time to crack the champagne for midnight. Fireworks
> were a bit late, but even nicer than expected!....
>
> We also were camped the right way to see that strobe light you
> mentioned. There is a lake that is a summer resort a bit north east and
> float planes come in there. That must have a strobe because it isn't on
> in the winter.
>
> Do you think you can make the 10 day end of the summer run?
>
> Looks like a bunch coming, I will just be camping, but others will be
> trail running. 3 of my doctors have informed me my serious off roading
> days are permanently over after the last neck MRI results. I have 5
> vertebra compressed from C3 to C7 pinching nerves on every one with one
> pushing on my spinal cord itself. Nasty crap!
>
> Mike
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> Did you get the idea that those folks were living there and not just
>> camping?
>>
>> They were well prepared in their tent city and had a couple cords of
>> firewood and were still cutting more on that 88 degree day when I spoke
>> to
>> them. They were nice enough but I had the feeling I get when I am at my
>> 2nd
>> cousins up in Michigan's Upper Peninsula that the locals "just weren't
>> right."
>>
>> I don't recall mentioning the internet and I'm not the type to listen to
>> "techno-wave" Actually, I could not tell you what "techno-wave" is
>> is... I
>> think I would classify it as "hippy music" or perhaps "dope crazed hippie
>> music"
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43025350.54123C72@sympatico.ca...
>> > He should be expecting to do a MC change soon.....
>> >
>> > Oh, so I ran into some 'local yokels' up there camping and for sure
>> > they
>> > were the same ones with the ------- mouthy dog as when I/we were in the
>> > bush and these fools were likely jerking your chain for directions.
>> >
>> > A bunch of years ago the government changed the name of the lakes we
>> > were on. The locals know them as Mink, where I was and Deer, where you
>> > was. If they saw your plates or you mentioned internet, they played
>> > dumb on you for sure because a week before some 'techno rave' happened
>> > with over a thousand people from all over central North America at that
>> > old airstrip. It was an internet link that brought everyone and the
>> > locals are seriously pissed about it.
>> >
>> > The one gent I was talking to that owned the dog implied 'he' didn't
>> > play dumb on you because 'he' knows both names while giving someone
>> > else
>> > there a dirty stare.....
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> >
>> > Billy Ray wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Welcome back Mike,
>> >>
>> >> The larger floaters were in the master cylinder when we siphoned it
>> >> out
>> >> before starting the flush. The procedure we used was that the master
>> >> cylinder was siphoned, refilled with fresh fluid, and then "pumped"
>> >> through.
>> >> There were some tiny specks in the drained fluid but the larger ones
>> >> (but
>> >> still very small) we removed by siphoning beforehand.
>> >>
>> >> I don't know if it is related but Ed's fluid reservoir was coated in a
>> >> layer
>> >> of ....slime (for lack of a better term)
>> >>
>> >> As for the cup/seal wear I guess we will see what, if anything,
>> >> happens.
>> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> >> news:43023D57.1B4B9586@sympatico.ca...
>> >> > Ouch....
>> >> >
>> >> > Those black bits were piston cups or o-rings and whatever component
>> >> > they
>> >> > came from is going to fail fast. I would be paying close attention
>> >> > to
>> >> > the brake pedal feel for a while, especially when holding it down at
>> >> > stops....
>> >> >
>> >> > Those bits often break off the guts of the MC when doing the 'old'
>> >> > bleed. (Garages 'love' people that do their own brake flushe$$$)
>> >> > If
>> >> > the pedal depresses way down as the bleeder is opened, it can force
>> >> > the
>> >> > piston cups past a rust or wear ridge which can and usually does
>> >> > take
>> >> > chunks out of old hardened o-rings or cups. The MC then usually
>> >> > fails
>> >> > soon after.
>> >> >
>> >> > It isn't so bad on a new master because all the rings and such are
>> >> > still
>> >> > soft with no rust ridge.
>> >> >
>> >> > Same thing for black bits can happen after a brake shoe or pad
>> >> > change.
>> >> > As the pistons are compressed, bits of ring can break off which will
>> >> > eventually cause a leak failure.
>> >> >
>> >> > The black crap in the XJ's intake is CCV caused blowby starting
>> >> > usually. The CCV system is very touchy on those so when the tiny
>> >> > tube
>> >> > and 'metered' hole get a little gunk in them, the crankcase intake
>> >> > line
>> >> > starts to feed smoke into the top of the throttle body. It will get
>> >> > bad
>> >> > enough to start spitting oil onto the air filter in the corner too
>> >> > soon.
>> >> >
>> >> > Here is a good link on that for him. I just used carb cleaner and a
>> >> > chunk of wire to clean my CCV tube and a paper clip does the metered
>> >> > hole in the grommet.
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/cheroke...ltr/blowby.htm
>> >> >
>> >> > Mike
>> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >> >
>> >> > Billy Ray wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> My neighbor and I flushed the brakes on his '96 XJ and My '02 WJ
>> >> >> this
>> >> >> afternoon.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In both our Jeeps when the lines were flushed clean we found small
>> >> >> black
>> >> >> floaters in the drained fluid.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On another note when we replaced the air filter in Ed's 4 liter XJ
>> >> >> we
>> >> >> found
>> >> >> the inside of the throttle body to be caked with carbon or soot.
>> >> >> What
>> >> >> was
>> >> >> the cause of that?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> >> >> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> >> >> Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
I'm hoping to be there (or is it hopping? Hoping to hop, hopping to hope)
Anyway....
I'm trying to round up my errant camping gear. I haven't used it in a while
and it was scattered to the four winds being loaned out to family and, I
assume, friends of the family. My son-in-law had my sleeping bag but
insisted the tent was at my house. The point of this discourse is that I
was fairly certain that the only camping equipment that was actually at my
house was the old Coleman gasoline stove I bought at a police auction for $1
and rebuilt. The tent arrived in the mail yesterday from Tennessee and the
CB came in from California (!) so I now have most of the equipment I would
need back. Bobbie has some of the stuff in Iraq so I'll have to buy new or
do without.
The Jeep is ready to go. I cleaned the tent last night and it is in the
yard airing. Of course the sewer department decided today is a good day to
be working in my front and side yards so I might have to wash out a whole
new set of odors! I may have to refund some of the money I was going to use
to finance the trip from the sale of the running boards I bought for my old
XJ but never installed. It looks like FedEx threw them off the truck, ran
over them, and now is jerking the buyer around when he tried to make the
claim. I guess the photograph I took a couple weeks ago when I listed the
ad are not sufficient to prove they were not bent up and the box smashed
when they left here.
Then finally gasoline will probably be around $68 a gallon over Labor Day so
that will also have to be factored into the budget. What was the current
price per liter on your trip?
Sorry about your neck, we'll have to compare CAT scans. I can rig you up a
traction unit to use at night and perhaps we can get you a litttle bit off
road in the WJ as it probably rides a bit smoother than your built CJ.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:430283F8.777D5B19@sympatico.ca...
> They just live out at the paved road, a little north where that store is
> and were in for a week.
>
> We were going to hear them no matter where we were and the area was
> crowded so we camped next door. For entertainment, they all got drunked
> up on beer and whisky and honest to god told the wives, 'here hold my
> drink and watch this!' while they had a game of tag football out in the
> shallow lake off the beach using a soft nerf ball while driving their
> ATV's!!!!!!!! 6 and more ATV's with 2 drunks on each.
>
> Then the wives said screw this and got on their own ATV's to join
> in!!!!!
>
> It was freaking hilarious. If I had of had a video, I would clean up on
> any of those home TV video shows....
>
> The most amazing thing is it went on for about 3 hours and no one got
> hurt and they managed to drive all the bikes out. One sounded really
> bad though...
>
> It finally ended with all the bikes except one swamped.
>
> The family resemblance between the cousins is umm... striking to say the
> least. We know one of their cousins who is a trapper my son and nephew
> rescued New Years Eve 2000, 4 hours after he put his ATV through the ice
> in a marsh. The boys were checking out a causeway with the lantern for
> a safe place to set off fireworks when they heard a faint call for help
> coming from across the marsh. They hiked out and dragged him to the
> cabin we were in. It was -20C or so out and snowing. We thawed him and
> drove him out via those bush roads, way over 50 miles return. Got back
> to camp just in time to crack the champagne for midnight. Fireworks
> were a bit late, but even nicer than expected!....
>
> We also were camped the right way to see that strobe light you
> mentioned. There is a lake that is a summer resort a bit north east and
> float planes come in there. That must have a strobe because it isn't on
> in the winter.
>
> Do you think you can make the 10 day end of the summer run?
>
> Looks like a bunch coming, I will just be camping, but others will be
> trail running. 3 of my doctors have informed me my serious off roading
> days are permanently over after the last neck MRI results. I have 5
> vertebra compressed from C3 to C7 pinching nerves on every one with one
> pushing on my spinal cord itself. Nasty crap!
>
> Mike
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> Did you get the idea that those folks were living there and not just
>> camping?
>>
>> They were well prepared in their tent city and had a couple cords of
>> firewood and were still cutting more on that 88 degree day when I spoke
>> to
>> them. They were nice enough but I had the feeling I get when I am at my
>> 2nd
>> cousins up in Michigan's Upper Peninsula that the locals "just weren't
>> right."
>>
>> I don't recall mentioning the internet and I'm not the type to listen to
>> "techno-wave" Actually, I could not tell you what "techno-wave" is
>> is... I
>> think I would classify it as "hippy music" or perhaps "dope crazed hippie
>> music"
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43025350.54123C72@sympatico.ca...
>> > He should be expecting to do a MC change soon.....
>> >
>> > Oh, so I ran into some 'local yokels' up there camping and for sure
>> > they
>> > were the same ones with the ------- mouthy dog as when I/we were in the
>> > bush and these fools were likely jerking your chain for directions.
>> >
>> > A bunch of years ago the government changed the name of the lakes we
>> > were on. The locals know them as Mink, where I was and Deer, where you
>> > was. If they saw your plates or you mentioned internet, they played
>> > dumb on you for sure because a week before some 'techno rave' happened
>> > with over a thousand people from all over central North America at that
>> > old airstrip. It was an internet link that brought everyone and the
>> > locals are seriously pissed about it.
>> >
>> > The one gent I was talking to that owned the dog implied 'he' didn't
>> > play dumb on you because 'he' knows both names while giving someone
>> > else
>> > there a dirty stare.....
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> >
>> > Billy Ray wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Welcome back Mike,
>> >>
>> >> The larger floaters were in the master cylinder when we siphoned it
>> >> out
>> >> before starting the flush. The procedure we used was that the master
>> >> cylinder was siphoned, refilled with fresh fluid, and then "pumped"
>> >> through.
>> >> There were some tiny specks in the drained fluid but the larger ones
>> >> (but
>> >> still very small) we removed by siphoning beforehand.
>> >>
>> >> I don't know if it is related but Ed's fluid reservoir was coated in a
>> >> layer
>> >> of ....slime (for lack of a better term)
>> >>
>> >> As for the cup/seal wear I guess we will see what, if anything,
>> >> happens.
>> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> >> news:43023D57.1B4B9586@sympatico.ca...
>> >> > Ouch....
>> >> >
>> >> > Those black bits were piston cups or o-rings and whatever component
>> >> > they
>> >> > came from is going to fail fast. I would be paying close attention
>> >> > to
>> >> > the brake pedal feel for a while, especially when holding it down at
>> >> > stops....
>> >> >
>> >> > Those bits often break off the guts of the MC when doing the 'old'
>> >> > bleed. (Garages 'love' people that do their own brake flushe$$$)
>> >> > If
>> >> > the pedal depresses way down as the bleeder is opened, it can force
>> >> > the
>> >> > piston cups past a rust or wear ridge which can and usually does
>> >> > take
>> >> > chunks out of old hardened o-rings or cups. The MC then usually
>> >> > fails
>> >> > soon after.
>> >> >
>> >> > It isn't so bad on a new master because all the rings and such are
>> >> > still
>> >> > soft with no rust ridge.
>> >> >
>> >> > Same thing for black bits can happen after a brake shoe or pad
>> >> > change.
>> >> > As the pistons are compressed, bits of ring can break off which will
>> >> > eventually cause a leak failure.
>> >> >
>> >> > The black crap in the XJ's intake is CCV caused blowby starting
>> >> > usually. The CCV system is very touchy on those so when the tiny
>> >> > tube
>> >> > and 'metered' hole get a little gunk in them, the crankcase intake
>> >> > line
>> >> > starts to feed smoke into the top of the throttle body. It will get
>> >> > bad
>> >> > enough to start spitting oil onto the air filter in the corner too
>> >> > soon.
>> >> >
>> >> > Here is a good link on that for him. I just used carb cleaner and a
>> >> > chunk of wire to clean my CCV tube and a paper clip does the metered
>> >> > hole in the grommet.
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/cheroke...ltr/blowby.htm
>> >> >
>> >> > Mike
>> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >> >
>> >> > Billy Ray wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> My neighbor and I flushed the brakes on his '96 XJ and My '02 WJ
>> >> >> this
>> >> >> afternoon.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In both our Jeeps when the lines were flushed clean we found small
>> >> >> black
>> >> >> floaters in the drained fluid.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On another note when we replaced the air filter in Ed's 4 liter XJ
>> >> >> we
>> >> >> found
>> >> >> the inside of the throttle body to be caked with carbon or soot.
>> >> >> What
>> >> >> was
>> >> >> the cause of that?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> >> >> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> >> >> Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
08-18-2005, 12:53 PM
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Now Canadian bush running...
That was probably as much fun to watch as compete!
I'm hoping to be there (or is it hopping? Hoping to hop, hopping to hope)
Anyway....
I'm trying to round up my errant camping gear. I haven't used it in a while
and it was scattered to the four winds being loaned out to family and, I
assume, friends of the family. My son-in-law had my sleeping bag but
insisted the tent was at my house. The point of this discourse is that I
was fairly certain that the only camping equipment that was actually at my
house was the old Coleman gasoline stove I bought at a police auction for $1
and rebuilt. The tent arrived in the mail yesterday from Tennessee and the
CB came in from California (!) so I now have most of the equipment I would
need back. Bobbie has some of the stuff in Iraq so I'll have to buy new or
do without.
The Jeep is ready to go. I cleaned the tent last night and it is in the
yard airing. Of course the sewer department decided today is a good day to
be working in my front and side yards so I might have to wash out a whole
new set of odors! I may have to refund some of the money I was going to use
to finance the trip from the sale of the running boards I bought for my old
XJ but never installed. It looks like FedEx threw them off the truck, ran
over them, and now is jerking the buyer around when he tried to make the
claim. I guess the photograph I took a couple weeks ago when I listed the
ad are not sufficient to prove they were not bent up and the box smashed
when they left here.
Then finally gasoline will probably be around $68 a gallon over Labor Day so
that will also have to be factored into the budget. What was the current
price per liter on your trip?
Sorry about your neck, we'll have to compare CAT scans. I can rig you up a
traction unit to use at night and perhaps we can get you a litttle bit off
road in the WJ as it probably rides a bit smoother than your built CJ.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:430283F8.777D5B19@sympatico.ca...
> They just live out at the paved road, a little north where that store is
> and were in for a week.
>
> We were going to hear them no matter where we were and the area was
> crowded so we camped next door. For entertainment, they all got drunked
> up on beer and whisky and honest to god told the wives, 'here hold my
> drink and watch this!' while they had a game of tag football out in the
> shallow lake off the beach using a soft nerf ball while driving their
> ATV's!!!!!!!! 6 and more ATV's with 2 drunks on each.
>
> Then the wives said screw this and got on their own ATV's to join
> in!!!!!
>
> It was freaking hilarious. If I had of had a video, I would clean up on
> any of those home TV video shows....
>
> The most amazing thing is it went on for about 3 hours and no one got
> hurt and they managed to drive all the bikes out. One sounded really
> bad though...
>
> It finally ended with all the bikes except one swamped.
>
> The family resemblance between the cousins is umm... striking to say the
> least. We know one of their cousins who is a trapper my son and nephew
> rescued New Years Eve 2000, 4 hours after he put his ATV through the ice
> in a marsh. The boys were checking out a causeway with the lantern for
> a safe place to set off fireworks when they heard a faint call for help
> coming from across the marsh. They hiked out and dragged him to the
> cabin we were in. It was -20C or so out and snowing. We thawed him and
> drove him out via those bush roads, way over 50 miles return. Got back
> to camp just in time to crack the champagne for midnight. Fireworks
> were a bit late, but even nicer than expected!....
>
> We also were camped the right way to see that strobe light you
> mentioned. There is a lake that is a summer resort a bit north east and
> float planes come in there. That must have a strobe because it isn't on
> in the winter.
>
> Do you think you can make the 10 day end of the summer run?
>
> Looks like a bunch coming, I will just be camping, but others will be
> trail running. 3 of my doctors have informed me my serious off roading
> days are permanently over after the last neck MRI results. I have 5
> vertebra compressed from C3 to C7 pinching nerves on every one with one
> pushing on my spinal cord itself. Nasty crap!
>
> Mike
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> Did you get the idea that those folks were living there and not just
>> camping?
>>
>> They were well prepared in their tent city and had a couple cords of
>> firewood and were still cutting more on that 88 degree day when I spoke
>> to
>> them. They were nice enough but I had the feeling I get when I am at my
>> 2nd
>> cousins up in Michigan's Upper Peninsula that the locals "just weren't
>> right."
>>
>> I don't recall mentioning the internet and I'm not the type to listen to
>> "techno-wave" Actually, I could not tell you what "techno-wave" is
>> is... I
>> think I would classify it as "hippy music" or perhaps "dope crazed hippie
>> music"
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43025350.54123C72@sympatico.ca...
>> > He should be expecting to do a MC change soon.....
>> >
>> > Oh, so I ran into some 'local yokels' up there camping and for sure
>> > they
>> > were the same ones with the ------- mouthy dog as when I/we were in the
>> > bush and these fools were likely jerking your chain for directions.
>> >
>> > A bunch of years ago the government changed the name of the lakes we
>> > were on. The locals know them as Mink, where I was and Deer, where you
>> > was. If they saw your plates or you mentioned internet, they played
>> > dumb on you for sure because a week before some 'techno rave' happened
>> > with over a thousand people from all over central North America at that
>> > old airstrip. It was an internet link that brought everyone and the
>> > locals are seriously pissed about it.
>> >
>> > The one gent I was talking to that owned the dog implied 'he' didn't
>> > play dumb on you because 'he' knows both names while giving someone
>> > else
>> > there a dirty stare.....
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> >
>> > Billy Ray wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Welcome back Mike,
>> >>
>> >> The larger floaters were in the master cylinder when we siphoned it
>> >> out
>> >> before starting the flush. The procedure we used was that the master
>> >> cylinder was siphoned, refilled with fresh fluid, and then "pumped"
>> >> through.
>> >> There were some tiny specks in the drained fluid but the larger ones
>> >> (but
>> >> still very small) we removed by siphoning beforehand.
>> >>
>> >> I don't know if it is related but Ed's fluid reservoir was coated in a
>> >> layer
>> >> of ....slime (for lack of a better term)
>> >>
>> >> As for the cup/seal wear I guess we will see what, if anything,
>> >> happens.
>> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> >> news:43023D57.1B4B9586@sympatico.ca...
>> >> > Ouch....
>> >> >
>> >> > Those black bits were piston cups or o-rings and whatever component
>> >> > they
>> >> > came from is going to fail fast. I would be paying close attention
>> >> > to
>> >> > the brake pedal feel for a while, especially when holding it down at
>> >> > stops....
>> >> >
>> >> > Those bits often break off the guts of the MC when doing the 'old'
>> >> > bleed. (Garages 'love' people that do their own brake flushe$$$)
>> >> > If
>> >> > the pedal depresses way down as the bleeder is opened, it can force
>> >> > the
>> >> > piston cups past a rust or wear ridge which can and usually does
>> >> > take
>> >> > chunks out of old hardened o-rings or cups. The MC then usually
>> >> > fails
>> >> > soon after.
>> >> >
>> >> > It isn't so bad on a new master because all the rings and such are
>> >> > still
>> >> > soft with no rust ridge.
>> >> >
>> >> > Same thing for black bits can happen after a brake shoe or pad
>> >> > change.
>> >> > As the pistons are compressed, bits of ring can break off which will
>> >> > eventually cause a leak failure.
>> >> >
>> >> > The black crap in the XJ's intake is CCV caused blowby starting
>> >> > usually. The CCV system is very touchy on those so when the tiny
>> >> > tube
>> >> > and 'metered' hole get a little gunk in them, the crankcase intake
>> >> > line
>> >> > starts to feed smoke into the top of the throttle body. It will get
>> >> > bad
>> >> > enough to start spitting oil onto the air filter in the corner too
>> >> > soon.
>> >> >
>> >> > Here is a good link on that for him. I just used carb cleaner and a
>> >> > chunk of wire to clean my CCV tube and a paper clip does the metered
>> >> > hole in the grommet.
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/cheroke...ltr/blowby.htm
>> >> >
>> >> > Mike
>> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >> >
>> >> > Billy Ray wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> My neighbor and I flushed the brakes on his '96 XJ and My '02 WJ
>> >> >> this
>> >> >> afternoon.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In both our Jeeps when the lines were flushed clean we found small
>> >> >> black
>> >> >> floaters in the drained fluid.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On another note when we replaced the air filter in Ed's 4 liter XJ
>> >> >> we
>> >> >> found
>> >> >> the inside of the throttle body to be caked with carbon or soot.
>> >> >> What
>> >> >> was
>> >> >> the cause of that?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> >> >> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> >> >> Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
I'm hoping to be there (or is it hopping? Hoping to hop, hopping to hope)
Anyway....
I'm trying to round up my errant camping gear. I haven't used it in a while
and it was scattered to the four winds being loaned out to family and, I
assume, friends of the family. My son-in-law had my sleeping bag but
insisted the tent was at my house. The point of this discourse is that I
was fairly certain that the only camping equipment that was actually at my
house was the old Coleman gasoline stove I bought at a police auction for $1
and rebuilt. The tent arrived in the mail yesterday from Tennessee and the
CB came in from California (!) so I now have most of the equipment I would
need back. Bobbie has some of the stuff in Iraq so I'll have to buy new or
do without.
The Jeep is ready to go. I cleaned the tent last night and it is in the
yard airing. Of course the sewer department decided today is a good day to
be working in my front and side yards so I might have to wash out a whole
new set of odors! I may have to refund some of the money I was going to use
to finance the trip from the sale of the running boards I bought for my old
XJ but never installed. It looks like FedEx threw them off the truck, ran
over them, and now is jerking the buyer around when he tried to make the
claim. I guess the photograph I took a couple weeks ago when I listed the
ad are not sufficient to prove they were not bent up and the box smashed
when they left here.
Then finally gasoline will probably be around $68 a gallon over Labor Day so
that will also have to be factored into the budget. What was the current
price per liter on your trip?
Sorry about your neck, we'll have to compare CAT scans. I can rig you up a
traction unit to use at night and perhaps we can get you a litttle bit off
road in the WJ as it probably rides a bit smoother than your built CJ.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:430283F8.777D5B19@sympatico.ca...
> They just live out at the paved road, a little north where that store is
> and were in for a week.
>
> We were going to hear them no matter where we were and the area was
> crowded so we camped next door. For entertainment, they all got drunked
> up on beer and whisky and honest to god told the wives, 'here hold my
> drink and watch this!' while they had a game of tag football out in the
> shallow lake off the beach using a soft nerf ball while driving their
> ATV's!!!!!!!! 6 and more ATV's with 2 drunks on each.
>
> Then the wives said screw this and got on their own ATV's to join
> in!!!!!
>
> It was freaking hilarious. If I had of had a video, I would clean up on
> any of those home TV video shows....
>
> The most amazing thing is it went on for about 3 hours and no one got
> hurt and they managed to drive all the bikes out. One sounded really
> bad though...
>
> It finally ended with all the bikes except one swamped.
>
> The family resemblance between the cousins is umm... striking to say the
> least. We know one of their cousins who is a trapper my son and nephew
> rescued New Years Eve 2000, 4 hours after he put his ATV through the ice
> in a marsh. The boys were checking out a causeway with the lantern for
> a safe place to set off fireworks when they heard a faint call for help
> coming from across the marsh. They hiked out and dragged him to the
> cabin we were in. It was -20C or so out and snowing. We thawed him and
> drove him out via those bush roads, way over 50 miles return. Got back
> to camp just in time to crack the champagne for midnight. Fireworks
> were a bit late, but even nicer than expected!....
>
> We also were camped the right way to see that strobe light you
> mentioned. There is a lake that is a summer resort a bit north east and
> float planes come in there. That must have a strobe because it isn't on
> in the winter.
>
> Do you think you can make the 10 day end of the summer run?
>
> Looks like a bunch coming, I will just be camping, but others will be
> trail running. 3 of my doctors have informed me my serious off roading
> days are permanently over after the last neck MRI results. I have 5
> vertebra compressed from C3 to C7 pinching nerves on every one with one
> pushing on my spinal cord itself. Nasty crap!
>
> Mike
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> Did you get the idea that those folks were living there and not just
>> camping?
>>
>> They were well prepared in their tent city and had a couple cords of
>> firewood and were still cutting more on that 88 degree day when I spoke
>> to
>> them. They were nice enough but I had the feeling I get when I am at my
>> 2nd
>> cousins up in Michigan's Upper Peninsula that the locals "just weren't
>> right."
>>
>> I don't recall mentioning the internet and I'm not the type to listen to
>> "techno-wave" Actually, I could not tell you what "techno-wave" is
>> is... I
>> think I would classify it as "hippy music" or perhaps "dope crazed hippie
>> music"
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43025350.54123C72@sympatico.ca...
>> > He should be expecting to do a MC change soon.....
>> >
>> > Oh, so I ran into some 'local yokels' up there camping and for sure
>> > they
>> > were the same ones with the ------- mouthy dog as when I/we were in the
>> > bush and these fools were likely jerking your chain for directions.
>> >
>> > A bunch of years ago the government changed the name of the lakes we
>> > were on. The locals know them as Mink, where I was and Deer, where you
>> > was. If they saw your plates or you mentioned internet, they played
>> > dumb on you for sure because a week before some 'techno rave' happened
>> > with over a thousand people from all over central North America at that
>> > old airstrip. It was an internet link that brought everyone and the
>> > locals are seriously pissed about it.
>> >
>> > The one gent I was talking to that owned the dog implied 'he' didn't
>> > play dumb on you because 'he' knows both names while giving someone
>> > else
>> > there a dirty stare.....
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> >
>> > Billy Ray wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Welcome back Mike,
>> >>
>> >> The larger floaters were in the master cylinder when we siphoned it
>> >> out
>> >> before starting the flush. The procedure we used was that the master
>> >> cylinder was siphoned, refilled with fresh fluid, and then "pumped"
>> >> through.
>> >> There were some tiny specks in the drained fluid but the larger ones
>> >> (but
>> >> still very small) we removed by siphoning beforehand.
>> >>
>> >> I don't know if it is related but Ed's fluid reservoir was coated in a
>> >> layer
>> >> of ....slime (for lack of a better term)
>> >>
>> >> As for the cup/seal wear I guess we will see what, if anything,
>> >> happens.
>> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> >> news:43023D57.1B4B9586@sympatico.ca...
>> >> > Ouch....
>> >> >
>> >> > Those black bits were piston cups or o-rings and whatever component
>> >> > they
>> >> > came from is going to fail fast. I would be paying close attention
>> >> > to
>> >> > the brake pedal feel for a while, especially when holding it down at
>> >> > stops....
>> >> >
>> >> > Those bits often break off the guts of the MC when doing the 'old'
>> >> > bleed. (Garages 'love' people that do their own brake flushe$$$)
>> >> > If
>> >> > the pedal depresses way down as the bleeder is opened, it can force
>> >> > the
>> >> > piston cups past a rust or wear ridge which can and usually does
>> >> > take
>> >> > chunks out of old hardened o-rings or cups. The MC then usually
>> >> > fails
>> >> > soon after.
>> >> >
>> >> > It isn't so bad on a new master because all the rings and such are
>> >> > still
>> >> > soft with no rust ridge.
>> >> >
>> >> > Same thing for black bits can happen after a brake shoe or pad
>> >> > change.
>> >> > As the pistons are compressed, bits of ring can break off which will
>> >> > eventually cause a leak failure.
>> >> >
>> >> > The black crap in the XJ's intake is CCV caused blowby starting
>> >> > usually. The CCV system is very touchy on those so when the tiny
>> >> > tube
>> >> > and 'metered' hole get a little gunk in them, the crankcase intake
>> >> > line
>> >> > starts to feed smoke into the top of the throttle body. It will get
>> >> > bad
>> >> > enough to start spitting oil onto the air filter in the corner too
>> >> > soon.
>> >> >
>> >> > Here is a good link on that for him. I just used carb cleaner and a
>> >> > chunk of wire to clean my CCV tube and a paper clip does the metered
>> >> > hole in the grommet.
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/cheroke...ltr/blowby.htm
>> >> >
>> >> > Mike
>> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >> >
>> >> > Billy Ray wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> My neighbor and I flushed the brakes on his '96 XJ and My '02 WJ
>> >> >> this
>> >> >> afternoon.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In both our Jeeps when the lines were flushed clean we found small
>> >> >> black
>> >> >> floaters in the drained fluid.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On another note when we replaced the air filter in Ed's 4 liter XJ
>> >> >> we
>> >> >> found
>> >> >> the inside of the throttle body to be caked with carbon or soot.
>> >> >> What
>> >> >> was
>> >> >> the cause of that?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> >> >> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> >> >> Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
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