Billy Ray

I guess the particles in my system might be that then or worn off the cups
when my brakes were done about 2 months ago. The mechanic pushed back the
piston but when the caliper wouldn't fit over the rotor he forced them back
all the way by means of a huge pair of water pump pliers.

There isn't any oil in Ed's air filter just the gunk in the throttle body
around the choke plate just like we used to get back in the old carburetor
days.

I checked mine last evening and I had a lighter coating of gunk around the
choke plate that was also quickly cleaned with a dose of GumOut and the
attention of an old toothbrush.

On the Ed-mobile in the past couple weeks or so we have flushed the brakes,
cleaned the throttle body, replaced the air and oil filters, changed the
oil, replaced the CPS, and replaced the cap and rotor that was broken during
inspection.

I did not see the cap and rotor but Ed sent me an e-mail this morning
because I had mentioned the cap/rotor in an off-hand way last night.

"….and I was thinking about your question re how was my rotor
condition…..actually it was black even though I broke it in removing… As
important , although the cap was still usable, all contacts were
pitted/encrusted … so this may have contributed to the carbon situation in
throttle body…. see you…Ed"

The radiator is probably next on our hit parade.




"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43025350.54123C72@sympatico.ca...
> He should be expecting to do a MC change soon.....
>
> Oh, so I ran into some 'local yokels' up there camping and for sure they
> were the same ones with the ------- mouthy dog as when I/we were in the
> bush and these fools were likely jerking your chain for directions.
>
> A bunch of years ago the government changed the name of the lakes we
> were on. The locals know them as Mink, where I was and Deer, where you
> was. If they saw your plates or you mentioned internet, they played
> dumb on you for sure because a week before some 'techno rave' happened
> with over a thousand people from all over central North America at that
> old airstrip. It was an internet link that brought everyone and the
> locals are seriously pissed about it.
>
> The one gent I was talking to that owned the dog implied 'he' didn't
> play dumb on you because 'he' knows both names while giving someone else
> there a dirty stare.....
>
> Mike
>
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> Welcome back Mike,
>>
>> The larger floaters were in the master cylinder when we siphoned it out
>> before starting the flush. The procedure we used was that the master
>> cylinder was siphoned, refilled with fresh fluid, and then "pumped"
>> through.
>> There were some tiny specks in the drained fluid but the larger ones (but
>> still very small) we removed by siphoning beforehand.
>>
>> I don't know if it is related but Ed's fluid reservoir was coated in a
>> layer
>> of ....slime (for lack of a better term)
>>
>> As for the cup/seal wear I guess we will see what, if anything, happens.
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43023D57.1B4B9586@sympatico.ca...
>> > Ouch....
>> >
>> > Those black bits were piston cups or o-rings and whatever component
>> > they
>> > came from is going to fail fast. I would be paying close attention to
>> > the brake pedal feel for a while, especially when holding it down at
>> > stops....
>> >
>> > Those bits often break off the guts of the MC when doing the 'old'
>> > bleed. (Garages 'love' people that do their own brake flushe$$$) If
>> > the pedal depresses way down as the bleeder is opened, it can force the
>> > piston cups past a rust or wear ridge which can and usually does take
>> > chunks out of old hardened o-rings or cups. The MC then usually fails
>> > soon after.
>> >
>> > It isn't so bad on a new master because all the rings and such are
>> > still
>> > soft with no rust ridge.
>> >
>> > Same thing for black bits can happen after a brake shoe or pad change.
>> > As the pistons are compressed, bits of ring can break off which will
>> > eventually cause a leak failure.
>> >
>> > The black crap in the XJ's intake is CCV caused blowby starting
>> > usually. The CCV system is very touchy on those so when the tiny tube
>> > and 'metered' hole get a little gunk in them, the crankcase intake line
>> > starts to feed smoke into the top of the throttle body. It will get
>> > bad
>> > enough to start spitting oil onto the air filter in the corner too
>> > soon.
>> >
>> > Here is a good link on that for him. I just used carb cleaner and a
>> > chunk of wire to clean my CCV tube and a paper clip does the metered
>> > hole in the grommet.
>> >
>> > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/cheroke...ltr/blowby.htm
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >
>> > Billy Ray wrote:
>> >>
>> >> My neighbor and I flushed the brakes on his '96 XJ and My '02 WJ this
>> >> afternoon.
>> >>
>> >> In both our Jeeps when the lines were flushed clean we found small
>> >> black
>> >> floaters in the drained fluid.
>> >>
>> >> On another note when we replaced the air filter in Ed's 4 liter XJ we
>> >> found
>> >> the inside of the throttle body to be caked with carbon or soot. What
>> >> was
>> >> the cause of that?
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> >> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> >> Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat

Billy Ray

I guess the particles in my system might be that then or worn off the cups
when my brakes were done about 2 months ago. The mechanic pushed back the
piston but when the caliper wouldn't fit over the rotor he forced them back
all the way by means of a huge pair of water pump pliers.

There isn't any oil in Ed's air filter just the gunk in the throttle body
around the choke plate just like we used to get back in the old carburetor
days.

I checked mine last evening and I had a lighter coating of gunk around the
choke plate that was also quickly cleaned with a dose of GumOut and the
attention of an old toothbrush.

On the Ed-mobile in the past couple weeks or so we have flushed the brakes,
cleaned the throttle body, replaced the air and oil filters, changed the
oil, replaced the CPS, and replaced the cap and rotor that was broken during
inspection.

I did not see the cap and rotor but Ed sent me an e-mail this morning
because I had mentioned the cap/rotor in an off-hand way last night.

"….and I was thinking about your question re how was my rotor
condition…..actually it was black even though I broke it in removing… As
important , although the cap was still usable, all contacts were
pitted/encrusted … so this may have contributed to the carbon situation in
throttle body…. see you…Ed"

The radiator is probably next on our hit parade.




"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43025350.54123C72@sympatico.ca...
> He should be expecting to do a MC change soon.....
>
> Oh, so I ran into some 'local yokels' up there camping and for sure they
> were the same ones with the ------- mouthy dog as when I/we were in the
> bush and these fools were likely jerking your chain for directions.
>
> A bunch of years ago the government changed the name of the lakes we
> were on. The locals know them as Mink, where I was and Deer, where you
> was. If they saw your plates or you mentioned internet, they played
> dumb on you for sure because a week before some 'techno rave' happened
> with over a thousand people from all over central North America at that
> old airstrip. It was an internet link that brought everyone and the
> locals are seriously pissed about it.
>
> The one gent I was talking to that owned the dog implied 'he' didn't
> play dumb on you because 'he' knows both names while giving someone else
> there a dirty stare.....
>
> Mike
>
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> Welcome back Mike,
>>
>> The larger floaters were in the master cylinder when we siphoned it out
>> before starting the flush. The procedure we used was that the master
>> cylinder was siphoned, refilled with fresh fluid, and then "pumped"
>> through.
>> There were some tiny specks in the drained fluid but the larger ones (but
>> still very small) we removed by siphoning beforehand.
>>
>> I don't know if it is related but Ed's fluid reservoir was coated in a
>> layer
>> of ....slime (for lack of a better term)
>>
>> As for the cup/seal wear I guess we will see what, if anything, happens.
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43023D57.1B4B9586@sympatico.ca...
>> > Ouch....
>> >
>> > Those black bits were piston cups or o-rings and whatever component
>> > they
>> > came from is going to fail fast. I would be paying close attention to
>> > the brake pedal feel for a while, especially when holding it down at
>> > stops....
>> >
>> > Those bits often break off the guts of the MC when doing the 'old'
>> > bleed. (Garages 'love' people that do their own brake flushe$$$) If
>> > the pedal depresses way down as the bleeder is opened, it can force the
>> > piston cups past a rust or wear ridge which can and usually does take
>> > chunks out of old hardened o-rings or cups. The MC then usually fails
>> > soon after.
>> >
>> > It isn't so bad on a new master because all the rings and such are
>> > still
>> > soft with no rust ridge.
>> >
>> > Same thing for black bits can happen after a brake shoe or pad change.
>> > As the pistons are compressed, bits of ring can break off which will
>> > eventually cause a leak failure.
>> >
>> > The black crap in the XJ's intake is CCV caused blowby starting
>> > usually. The CCV system is very touchy on those so when the tiny tube
>> > and 'metered' hole get a little gunk in them, the crankcase intake line
>> > starts to feed smoke into the top of the throttle body. It will get
>> > bad
>> > enough to start spitting oil onto the air filter in the corner too
>> > soon.
>> >
>> > Here is a good link on that for him. I just used carb cleaner and a
>> > chunk of wire to clean my CCV tube and a paper clip does the metered
>> > hole in the grommet.
>> >
>> > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/cheroke...ltr/blowby.htm
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >
>> > Billy Ray wrote:
>> >>
>> >> My neighbor and I flushed the brakes on his '96 XJ and My '02 WJ this
>> >> afternoon.
>> >>
>> >> In both our Jeeps when the lines were flushed clean we found small
>> >> black
>> >> floaters in the drained fluid.
>> >>
>> >> On another note when we replaced the air filter in Ed's 4 liter XJ we
>> >> found
>> >> the inside of the throttle body to be caked with carbon or soot. What
>> >> was
>> >> the cause of that?
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> >> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> >> Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat

Billy Ray

I guess the particles in my system might be that then or worn off the cups
when my brakes were done about 2 months ago. The mechanic pushed back the
piston but when the caliper wouldn't fit over the rotor he forced them back
all the way by means of a huge pair of water pump pliers.

There isn't any oil in Ed's air filter just the gunk in the throttle body
around the choke plate just like we used to get back in the old carburetor
days.

I checked mine last evening and I had a lighter coating of gunk around the
choke plate that was also quickly cleaned with a dose of GumOut and the
attention of an old toothbrush.

On the Ed-mobile in the past couple weeks or so we have flushed the brakes,
cleaned the throttle body, replaced the air and oil filters, changed the
oil, replaced the CPS, and replaced the cap and rotor that was broken during
inspection.

I did not see the cap and rotor but Ed sent me an e-mail this morning
because I had mentioned the cap/rotor in an off-hand way last night.

"….and I was thinking about your question re how was my rotor
condition…..actually it was black even though I broke it in removing… As
important , although the cap was still usable, all contacts were
pitted/encrusted … so this may have contributed to the carbon situation in
throttle body…. see you…Ed"

The radiator is probably next on our hit parade.




"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43025350.54123C72@sympatico.ca...
> He should be expecting to do a MC change soon.....
>
> Oh, so I ran into some 'local yokels' up there camping and for sure they
> were the same ones with the ------- mouthy dog as when I/we were in the
> bush and these fools were likely jerking your chain for directions.
>
> A bunch of years ago the government changed the name of the lakes we
> were on. The locals know them as Mink, where I was and Deer, where you
> was. If they saw your plates or you mentioned internet, they played
> dumb on you for sure because a week before some 'techno rave' happened
> with over a thousand people from all over central North America at that
> old airstrip. It was an internet link that brought everyone and the
> locals are seriously pissed about it.
>
> The one gent I was talking to that owned the dog implied 'he' didn't
> play dumb on you because 'he' knows both names while giving someone else
> there a dirty stare.....
>
> Mike
>
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> Welcome back Mike,
>>
>> The larger floaters were in the master cylinder when we siphoned it out
>> before starting the flush. The procedure we used was that the master
>> cylinder was siphoned, refilled with fresh fluid, and then "pumped"
>> through.
>> There were some tiny specks in the drained fluid but the larger ones (but
>> still very small) we removed by siphoning beforehand.
>>
>> I don't know if it is related but Ed's fluid reservoir was coated in a
>> layer
>> of ....slime (for lack of a better term)
>>
>> As for the cup/seal wear I guess we will see what, if anything, happens.
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43023D57.1B4B9586@sympatico.ca...
>> > Ouch....
>> >
>> > Those black bits were piston cups or o-rings and whatever component
>> > they
>> > came from is going to fail fast. I would be paying close attention to
>> > the brake pedal feel for a while, especially when holding it down at
>> > stops....
>> >
>> > Those bits often break off the guts of the MC when doing the 'old'
>> > bleed. (Garages 'love' people that do their own brake flushe$$$) If
>> > the pedal depresses way down as the bleeder is opened, it can force the
>> > piston cups past a rust or wear ridge which can and usually does take
>> > chunks out of old hardened o-rings or cups. The MC then usually fails
>> > soon after.
>> >
>> > It isn't so bad on a new master because all the rings and such are
>> > still
>> > soft with no rust ridge.
>> >
>> > Same thing for black bits can happen after a brake shoe or pad change.
>> > As the pistons are compressed, bits of ring can break off which will
>> > eventually cause a leak failure.
>> >
>> > The black crap in the XJ's intake is CCV caused blowby starting
>> > usually. The CCV system is very touchy on those so when the tiny tube
>> > and 'metered' hole get a little gunk in them, the crankcase intake line
>> > starts to feed smoke into the top of the throttle body. It will get
>> > bad
>> > enough to start spitting oil onto the air filter in the corner too
>> > soon.
>> >
>> > Here is a good link on that for him. I just used carb cleaner and a
>> > chunk of wire to clean my CCV tube and a paper clip does the metered
>> > hole in the grommet.
>> >
>> > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/cheroke...ltr/blowby.htm
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >
>> > Billy Ray wrote:
>> >>
>> >> My neighbor and I flushed the brakes on his '96 XJ and My '02 WJ this
>> >> afternoon.
>> >>
>> >> In both our Jeeps when the lines were flushed clean we found small
>> >> black
>> >> floaters in the drained fluid.
>> >>
>> >> On another note when we replaced the air filter in Ed's 4 liter XJ we
>> >> found
>> >> the inside of the throttle body to be caked with carbon or soot. What
>> >> was
>> >> the cause of that?
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> >> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> >> Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat

Billy Ray

Did you get the idea that those folks were living there and not just
camping?

They were well prepared in their tent city and had a couple cords of
firewood and were still cutting more on that 88 degree day when I spoke to
them. They were nice enough but I had the feeling I get when I am at my 2nd
cousins up in Michigan's Upper Peninsula that the locals "just weren't
right."

I don't recall mentioning the internet and I'm not the type to listen to
"techno-wave" Actually, I could not tell you what "techno-wave" is is... I
think I would classify it as "hippy music" or perhaps "dope crazed hippie
music"



"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43025350.54123C72@sympatico.ca...
> He should be expecting to do a MC change soon.....
>
> Oh, so I ran into some 'local yokels' up there camping and for sure they
> were the same ones with the ------- mouthy dog as when I/we were in the
> bush and these fools were likely jerking your chain for directions.
>
> A bunch of years ago the government changed the name of the lakes we
> were on. The locals know them as Mink, where I was and Deer, where you
> was. If they saw your plates or you mentioned internet, they played
> dumb on you for sure because a week before some 'techno rave' happened
> with over a thousand people from all over central North America at that
> old airstrip. It was an internet link that brought everyone and the
> locals are seriously pissed about it.
>
> The one gent I was talking to that owned the dog implied 'he' didn't
> play dumb on you because 'he' knows both names while giving someone else
> there a dirty stare.....
>
> Mike
>
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> Welcome back Mike,
>>
>> The larger floaters were in the master cylinder when we siphoned it out
>> before starting the flush. The procedure we used was that the master
>> cylinder was siphoned, refilled with fresh fluid, and then "pumped"
>> through.
>> There were some tiny specks in the drained fluid but the larger ones (but
>> still very small) we removed by siphoning beforehand.
>>
>> I don't know if it is related but Ed's fluid reservoir was coated in a
>> layer
>> of ....slime (for lack of a better term)
>>
>> As for the cup/seal wear I guess we will see what, if anything, happens.
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43023D57.1B4B9586@sympatico.ca...
>> > Ouch....
>> >
>> > Those black bits were piston cups or o-rings and whatever component
>> > they
>> > came from is going to fail fast. I would be paying close attention to
>> > the brake pedal feel for a while, especially when holding it down at
>> > stops....
>> >
>> > Those bits often break off the guts of the MC when doing the 'old'
>> > bleed. (Garages 'love' people that do their own brake flushe$$$) If
>> > the pedal depresses way down as the bleeder is opened, it can force the
>> > piston cups past a rust or wear ridge which can and usually does take
>> > chunks out of old hardened o-rings or cups. The MC then usually fails
>> > soon after.
>> >
>> > It isn't so bad on a new master because all the rings and such are
>> > still
>> > soft with no rust ridge.
>> >
>> > Same thing for black bits can happen after a brake shoe or pad change.
>> > As the pistons are compressed, bits of ring can break off which will
>> > eventually cause a leak failure.
>> >
>> > The black crap in the XJ's intake is CCV caused blowby starting
>> > usually. The CCV system is very touchy on those so when the tiny tube
>> > and 'metered' hole get a little gunk in them, the crankcase intake line
>> > starts to feed smoke into the top of the throttle body. It will get
>> > bad
>> > enough to start spitting oil onto the air filter in the corner too
>> > soon.
>> >
>> > Here is a good link on that for him. I just used carb cleaner and a
>> > chunk of wire to clean my CCV tube and a paper clip does the metered
>> > hole in the grommet.
>> >
>> > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/cheroke...ltr/blowby.htm
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >
>> > Billy Ray wrote:
>> >>
>> >> My neighbor and I flushed the brakes on his '96 XJ and My '02 WJ this
>> >> afternoon.
>> >>
>> >> In both our Jeeps when the lines were flushed clean we found small
>> >> black
>> >> floaters in the drained fluid.
>> >>
>> >> On another note when we replaced the air filter in Ed's 4 liter XJ we
>> >> found
>> >> the inside of the throttle body to be caked with carbon or soot. What
>> >> was
>> >> the cause of that?
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> >> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> >> Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat

Billy Ray

Did you get the idea that those folks were living there and not just
camping?

They were well prepared in their tent city and had a couple cords of
firewood and were still cutting more on that 88 degree day when I spoke to
them. They were nice enough but I had the feeling I get when I am at my 2nd
cousins up in Michigan's Upper Peninsula that the locals "just weren't
right."

I don't recall mentioning the internet and I'm not the type to listen to
"techno-wave" Actually, I could not tell you what "techno-wave" is is... I
think I would classify it as "hippy music" or perhaps "dope crazed hippie
music"



"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43025350.54123C72@sympatico.ca...
> He should be expecting to do a MC change soon.....
>
> Oh, so I ran into some 'local yokels' up there camping and for sure they
> were the same ones with the ------- mouthy dog as when I/we were in the
> bush and these fools were likely jerking your chain for directions.
>
> A bunch of years ago the government changed the name of the lakes we
> were on. The locals know them as Mink, where I was and Deer, where you
> was. If they saw your plates or you mentioned internet, they played
> dumb on you for sure because a week before some 'techno rave' happened
> with over a thousand people from all over central North America at that
> old airstrip. It was an internet link that brought everyone and the
> locals are seriously pissed about it.
>
> The one gent I was talking to that owned the dog implied 'he' didn't
> play dumb on you because 'he' knows both names while giving someone else
> there a dirty stare.....
>
> Mike
>
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> Welcome back Mike,
>>
>> The larger floaters were in the master cylinder when we siphoned it out
>> before starting the flush. The procedure we used was that the master
>> cylinder was siphoned, refilled with fresh fluid, and then "pumped"
>> through.
>> There were some tiny specks in the drained fluid but the larger ones (but
>> still very small) we removed by siphoning beforehand.
>>
>> I don't know if it is related but Ed's fluid reservoir was coated in a
>> layer
>> of ....slime (for lack of a better term)
>>
>> As for the cup/seal wear I guess we will see what, if anything, happens.
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43023D57.1B4B9586@sympatico.ca...
>> > Ouch....
>> >
>> > Those black bits were piston cups or o-rings and whatever component
>> > they
>> > came from is going to fail fast. I would be paying close attention to
>> > the brake pedal feel for a while, especially when holding it down at
>> > stops....
>> >
>> > Those bits often break off the guts of the MC when doing the 'old'
>> > bleed. (Garages 'love' people that do their own brake flushe$$$) If
>> > the pedal depresses way down as the bleeder is opened, it can force the
>> > piston cups past a rust or wear ridge which can and usually does take
>> > chunks out of old hardened o-rings or cups. The MC then usually fails
>> > soon after.
>> >
>> > It isn't so bad on a new master because all the rings and such are
>> > still
>> > soft with no rust ridge.
>> >
>> > Same thing for black bits can happen after a brake shoe or pad change.
>> > As the pistons are compressed, bits of ring can break off which will
>> > eventually cause a leak failure.
>> >
>> > The black crap in the XJ's intake is CCV caused blowby starting
>> > usually. The CCV system is very touchy on those so when the tiny tube
>> > and 'metered' hole get a little gunk in them, the crankcase intake line
>> > starts to feed smoke into the top of the throttle body. It will get
>> > bad
>> > enough to start spitting oil onto the air filter in the corner too
>> > soon.
>> >
>> > Here is a good link on that for him. I just used carb cleaner and a
>> > chunk of wire to clean my CCV tube and a paper clip does the metered
>> > hole in the grommet.
>> >
>> > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/cheroke...ltr/blowby.htm
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >
>> > Billy Ray wrote:
>> >>
>> >> My neighbor and I flushed the brakes on his '96 XJ and My '02 WJ this
>> >> afternoon.
>> >>
>> >> In both our Jeeps when the lines were flushed clean we found small
>> >> black
>> >> floaters in the drained fluid.
>> >>
>> >> On another note when we replaced the air filter in Ed's 4 liter XJ we
>> >> found
>> >> the inside of the throttle body to be caked with carbon or soot. What
>> >> was
>> >> the cause of that?
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> >> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> >> Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat

Billy Ray

Did you get the idea that those folks were living there and not just
camping?

They were well prepared in their tent city and had a couple cords of
firewood and were still cutting more on that 88 degree day when I spoke to
them. They were nice enough but I had the feeling I get when I am at my 2nd
cousins up in Michigan's Upper Peninsula that the locals "just weren't
right."

I don't recall mentioning the internet and I'm not the type to listen to
"techno-wave" Actually, I could not tell you what "techno-wave" is is... I
think I would classify it as "hippy music" or perhaps "dope crazed hippie
music"



"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43025350.54123C72@sympatico.ca...
> He should be expecting to do a MC change soon.....
>
> Oh, so I ran into some 'local yokels' up there camping and for sure they
> were the same ones with the ------- mouthy dog as when I/we were in the
> bush and these fools were likely jerking your chain for directions.
>
> A bunch of years ago the government changed the name of the lakes we
> were on. The locals know them as Mink, where I was and Deer, where you
> was. If they saw your plates or you mentioned internet, they played
> dumb on you for sure because a week before some 'techno rave' happened
> with over a thousand people from all over central North America at that
> old airstrip. It was an internet link that brought everyone and the
> locals are seriously pissed about it.
>
> The one gent I was talking to that owned the dog implied 'he' didn't
> play dumb on you because 'he' knows both names while giving someone else
> there a dirty stare.....
>
> Mike
>
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> Welcome back Mike,
>>
>> The larger floaters were in the master cylinder when we siphoned it out
>> before starting the flush. The procedure we used was that the master
>> cylinder was siphoned, refilled with fresh fluid, and then "pumped"
>> through.
>> There were some tiny specks in the drained fluid but the larger ones (but
>> still very small) we removed by siphoning beforehand.
>>
>> I don't know if it is related but Ed's fluid reservoir was coated in a
>> layer
>> of ....slime (for lack of a better term)
>>
>> As for the cup/seal wear I guess we will see what, if anything, happens.
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43023D57.1B4B9586@sympatico.ca...
>> > Ouch....
>> >
>> > Those black bits were piston cups or o-rings and whatever component
>> > they
>> > came from is going to fail fast. I would be paying close attention to
>> > the brake pedal feel for a while, especially when holding it down at
>> > stops....
>> >
>> > Those bits often break off the guts of the MC when doing the 'old'
>> > bleed. (Garages 'love' people that do their own brake flushe$$$) If
>> > the pedal depresses way down as the bleeder is opened, it can force the
>> > piston cups past a rust or wear ridge which can and usually does take
>> > chunks out of old hardened o-rings or cups. The MC then usually fails
>> > soon after.
>> >
>> > It isn't so bad on a new master because all the rings and such are
>> > still
>> > soft with no rust ridge.
>> >
>> > Same thing for black bits can happen after a brake shoe or pad change.
>> > As the pistons are compressed, bits of ring can break off which will
>> > eventually cause a leak failure.
>> >
>> > The black crap in the XJ's intake is CCV caused blowby starting
>> > usually. The CCV system is very touchy on those so when the tiny tube
>> > and 'metered' hole get a little gunk in them, the crankcase intake line
>> > starts to feed smoke into the top of the throttle body. It will get
>> > bad
>> > enough to start spitting oil onto the air filter in the corner too
>> > soon.
>> >
>> > Here is a good link on that for him. I just used carb cleaner and a
>> > chunk of wire to clean my CCV tube and a paper clip does the metered
>> > hole in the grommet.
>> >
>> > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/cheroke...ltr/blowby.htm
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >
>> > Billy Ray wrote:
>> >>
>> >> My neighbor and I flushed the brakes on his '96 XJ and My '02 WJ this
>> >> afternoon.
>> >>
>> >> In both our Jeeps when the lines were flushed clean we found small
>> >> black
>> >> floaters in the drained fluid.
>> >>
>> >> On another note when we replaced the air filter in Ed's 4 liter XJ we
>> >> found
>> >> the inside of the throttle body to be caked with carbon or soot. What
>> >> was
>> >> the cause of that?
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> >> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> >> Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat

Billy Ray

Did you get the idea that those folks were living there and not just
camping?

They were well prepared in their tent city and had a couple cords of
firewood and were still cutting more on that 88 degree day when I spoke to
them. They were nice enough but I had the feeling I get when I am at my 2nd
cousins up in Michigan's Upper Peninsula that the locals "just weren't
right."

I don't recall mentioning the internet and I'm not the type to listen to
"techno-wave" Actually, I could not tell you what "techno-wave" is is... I
think I would classify it as "hippy music" or perhaps "dope crazed hippie
music"



"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43025350.54123C72@sympatico.ca...
> He should be expecting to do a MC change soon.....
>
> Oh, so I ran into some 'local yokels' up there camping and for sure they
> were the same ones with the ------- mouthy dog as when I/we were in the
> bush and these fools were likely jerking your chain for directions.
>
> A bunch of years ago the government changed the name of the lakes we
> were on. The locals know them as Mink, where I was and Deer, where you
> was. If they saw your plates or you mentioned internet, they played
> dumb on you for sure because a week before some 'techno rave' happened
> with over a thousand people from all over central North America at that
> old airstrip. It was an internet link that brought everyone and the
> locals are seriously pissed about it.
>
> The one gent I was talking to that owned the dog implied 'he' didn't
> play dumb on you because 'he' knows both names while giving someone else
> there a dirty stare.....
>
> Mike
>
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> Welcome back Mike,
>>
>> The larger floaters were in the master cylinder when we siphoned it out
>> before starting the flush. The procedure we used was that the master
>> cylinder was siphoned, refilled with fresh fluid, and then "pumped"
>> through.
>> There were some tiny specks in the drained fluid but the larger ones (but
>> still very small) we removed by siphoning beforehand.
>>
>> I don't know if it is related but Ed's fluid reservoir was coated in a
>> layer
>> of ....slime (for lack of a better term)
>>
>> As for the cup/seal wear I guess we will see what, if anything, happens.
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43023D57.1B4B9586@sympatico.ca...
>> > Ouch....
>> >
>> > Those black bits were piston cups or o-rings and whatever component
>> > they
>> > came from is going to fail fast. I would be paying close attention to
>> > the brake pedal feel for a while, especially when holding it down at
>> > stops....
>> >
>> > Those bits often break off the guts of the MC when doing the 'old'
>> > bleed. (Garages 'love' people that do their own brake flushe$$$) If
>> > the pedal depresses way down as the bleeder is opened, it can force the
>> > piston cups past a rust or wear ridge which can and usually does take
>> > chunks out of old hardened o-rings or cups. The MC then usually fails
>> > soon after.
>> >
>> > It isn't so bad on a new master because all the rings and such are
>> > still
>> > soft with no rust ridge.
>> >
>> > Same thing for black bits can happen after a brake shoe or pad change.
>> > As the pistons are compressed, bits of ring can break off which will
>> > eventually cause a leak failure.
>> >
>> > The black crap in the XJ's intake is CCV caused blowby starting
>> > usually. The CCV system is very touchy on those so when the tiny tube
>> > and 'metered' hole get a little gunk in them, the crankcase intake line
>> > starts to feed smoke into the top of the throttle body. It will get
>> > bad
>> > enough to start spitting oil onto the air filter in the corner too
>> > soon.
>> >
>> > Here is a good link on that for him. I just used carb cleaner and a
>> > chunk of wire to clean my CCV tube and a paper clip does the metered
>> > hole in the grommet.
>> >
>> > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/cheroke...ltr/blowby.htm
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >
>> > Billy Ray wrote:
>> >>
>> >> My neighbor and I flushed the brakes on his '96 XJ and My '02 WJ this
>> >> afternoon.
>> >>
>> >> In both our Jeeps when the lines were flushed clean we found small
>> >> black
>> >> floaters in the drained fluid.
>> >>
>> >> On another note when we replaced the air filter in Ed's 4 liter XJ we
>> >> found
>> >> the inside of the throttle body to be caked with carbon or soot. What
>> >> was
>> >> the cause of that?
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> >> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> >> Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat

Mike Romain

They just live out at the paved road, a little north where that store is
and were in for a week.

We were going to hear them no matter where we were and the area was
crowded so we camped next door. For entertainment, they all got drunked
up on beer and whisky and honest to god told the wives, 'here hold my
drink and watch this!' while they had a game of tag football out in the
shallow lake off the beach using a soft nerf ball while driving their
ATV's!!!!!!!! 6 and more ATV's with 2 drunks on each.

Then the wives said screw this and got on their own ATV's to join
in!!!!!

It was freaking hilarious. If I had of had a video, I would clean up on
any of those home TV video shows....

The most amazing thing is it went on for about 3 hours and no one got
hurt and they managed to drive all the bikes out. One sounded really
bad though...

It finally ended with all the bikes except one swamped.

The family resemblance between the cousins is umm... striking to say the
least. We know one of their cousins who is a trapper my son and nephew
rescued New Years Eve 2000, 4 hours after he put his ATV through the ice
in a marsh. The boys were checking out a causeway with the lantern for
a safe place to set off fireworks when they heard a faint call for help
coming from across the marsh. They hiked out and dragged him to the
cabin we were in. It was -20C or so out and snowing. We thawed him and
drove him out via those bush roads, way over 50 miles return. Got back
to camp just in time to crack the champagne for midnight. Fireworks
were a bit late, but even nicer than expected!....

We also were camped the right way to see that strobe light you
mentioned. There is a lake that is a summer resort a bit north east and
float planes come in there. That must have a strobe because it isn't on
in the winter.

Do you think you can make the 10 day end of the summer run?

Looks like a bunch coming, I will just be camping, but others will be
trail running. 3 of my doctors have informed me my serious off roading
days are permanently over after the last neck MRI results. I have 5
vertebra compressed from C3 to C7 pinching nerves on every one with one
pushing on my spinal cord itself. Nasty crap!

Mike

Billy Ray wrote:
>
> Did you get the idea that those folks were living there and not just
> camping?
>
> They were well prepared in their tent city and had a couple cords of
> firewood and were still cutting more on that 88 degree day when I spoke to
> them. They were nice enough but I had the feeling I get when I am at my 2nd
> cousins up in Michigan's Upper Peninsula that the locals "just weren't
> right."
>
> I don't recall mentioning the internet and I'm not the type to listen to
> "techno-wave" Actually, I could not tell you what "techno-wave" is is... I
> think I would classify it as "hippy music" or perhaps "dope crazed hippie
> music"
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43025350.54123C72@sympatico.ca...
> > He should be expecting to do a MC change soon.....
> >
> > Oh, so I ran into some 'local yokels' up there camping and for sure they
> > were the same ones with the ------- mouthy dog as when I/we were in the
> > bush and these fools were likely jerking your chain for directions.
> >
> > A bunch of years ago the government changed the name of the lakes we
> > were on. The locals know them as Mink, where I was and Deer, where you
> > was. If they saw your plates or you mentioned internet, they played
> > dumb on you for sure because a week before some 'techno rave' happened
> > with over a thousand people from all over central North America at that
> > old airstrip. It was an internet link that brought everyone and the
> > locals are seriously pissed about it.
> >
> > The one gent I was talking to that owned the dog implied 'he' didn't
> > play dumb on you because 'he' knows both names while giving someone else
> > there a dirty stare.....
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > Billy Ray wrote:
> >>
> >> Welcome back Mike,
> >>
> >> The larger floaters were in the master cylinder when we siphoned it out
> >> before starting the flush. The procedure we used was that the master
> >> cylinder was siphoned, refilled with fresh fluid, and then "pumped"
> >> through.
> >> There were some tiny specks in the drained fluid but the larger ones (but
> >> still very small) we removed by siphoning beforehand.
> >>
> >> I don't know if it is related but Ed's fluid reservoir was coated in a
> >> layer
> >> of ....slime (for lack of a better term)
> >>
> >> As for the cup/seal wear I guess we will see what, if anything, happens.
> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:43023D57.1B4B9586@sympatico.ca...
> >> > Ouch....
> >> >
> >> > Those black bits were piston cups or o-rings and whatever component
> >> > they
> >> > came from is going to fail fast. I would be paying close attention to
> >> > the brake pedal feel for a while, especially when holding it down at
> >> > stops....
> >> >
> >> > Those bits often break off the guts of the MC when doing the 'old'
> >> > bleed. (Garages 'love' people that do their own brake flushe$$$) If
> >> > the pedal depresses way down as the bleeder is opened, it can force the
> >> > piston cups past a rust or wear ridge which can and usually does take
> >> > chunks out of old hardened o-rings or cups. The MC then usually fails
> >> > soon after.
> >> >
> >> > It isn't so bad on a new master because all the rings and such are
> >> > still
> >> > soft with no rust ridge.
> >> >
> >> > Same thing for black bits can happen after a brake shoe or pad change.
> >> > As the pistons are compressed, bits of ring can break off which will
> >> > eventually cause a leak failure.
> >> >
> >> > The black crap in the XJ's intake is CCV caused blowby starting
> >> > usually. The CCV system is very touchy on those so when the tiny tube
> >> > and 'metered' hole get a little gunk in them, the crankcase intake line
> >> > starts to feed smoke into the top of the throttle body. It will get
> >> > bad
> >> > enough to start spitting oil onto the air filter in the corner too
> >> > soon.
> >> >
> >> > Here is a good link on that for him. I just used carb cleaner and a
> >> > chunk of wire to clean my CCV tube and a paper clip does the metered
> >> > hole in the grommet.
> >> >
> >> > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/cheroke...ltr/blowby.htm
> >> >
> >> > Mike
> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> >
> >> > Billy Ray wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> My neighbor and I flushed the brakes on his '96 XJ and My '02 WJ this
> >> >> afternoon.
> >> >>
> >> >> In both our Jeeps when the lines were flushed clean we found small
> >> >> black
> >> >> floaters in the drained fluid.
> >> >>
> >> >> On another note when we replaced the air filter in Ed's 4 liter XJ we
> >> >> found
> >> >> the inside of the throttle body to be caked with carbon or soot. What
> >> >> was
> >> >> the cause of that?
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> >> >> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> >> >> Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat

Mike Romain

They just live out at the paved road, a little north where that store is
and were in for a week.

We were going to hear them no matter where we were and the area was
crowded so we camped next door. For entertainment, they all got drunked
up on beer and whisky and honest to god told the wives, 'here hold my
drink and watch this!' while they had a game of tag football out in the
shallow lake off the beach using a soft nerf ball while driving their
ATV's!!!!!!!! 6 and more ATV's with 2 drunks on each.

Then the wives said screw this and got on their own ATV's to join
in!!!!!

It was freaking hilarious. If I had of had a video, I would clean up on
any of those home TV video shows....

The most amazing thing is it went on for about 3 hours and no one got
hurt and they managed to drive all the bikes out. One sounded really
bad though...

It finally ended with all the bikes except one swamped.

The family resemblance between the cousins is umm... striking to say the
least. We know one of their cousins who is a trapper my son and nephew
rescued New Years Eve 2000, 4 hours after he put his ATV through the ice
in a marsh. The boys were checking out a causeway with the lantern for
a safe place to set off fireworks when they heard a faint call for help
coming from across the marsh. They hiked out and dragged him to the
cabin we were in. It was -20C or so out and snowing. We thawed him and
drove him out via those bush roads, way over 50 miles return. Got back
to camp just in time to crack the champagne for midnight. Fireworks
were a bit late, but even nicer than expected!....

We also were camped the right way to see that strobe light you
mentioned. There is a lake that is a summer resort a bit north east and
float planes come in there. That must have a strobe because it isn't on
in the winter.

Do you think you can make the 10 day end of the summer run?

Looks like a bunch coming, I will just be camping, but others will be
trail running. 3 of my doctors have informed me my serious off roading
days are permanently over after the last neck MRI results. I have 5
vertebra compressed from C3 to C7 pinching nerves on every one with one
pushing on my spinal cord itself. Nasty crap!

Mike

Billy Ray wrote:
>
> Did you get the idea that those folks were living there and not just
> camping?
>
> They were well prepared in their tent city and had a couple cords of
> firewood and were still cutting more on that 88 degree day when I spoke to
> them. They were nice enough but I had the feeling I get when I am at my 2nd
> cousins up in Michigan's Upper Peninsula that the locals "just weren't
> right."
>
> I don't recall mentioning the internet and I'm not the type to listen to
> "techno-wave" Actually, I could not tell you what "techno-wave" is is... I
> think I would classify it as "hippy music" or perhaps "dope crazed hippie
> music"
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43025350.54123C72@sympatico.ca...
> > He should be expecting to do a MC change soon.....
> >
> > Oh, so I ran into some 'local yokels' up there camping and for sure they
> > were the same ones with the ------- mouthy dog as when I/we were in the
> > bush and these fools were likely jerking your chain for directions.
> >
> > A bunch of years ago the government changed the name of the lakes we
> > were on. The locals know them as Mink, where I was and Deer, where you
> > was. If they saw your plates or you mentioned internet, they played
> > dumb on you for sure because a week before some 'techno rave' happened
> > with over a thousand people from all over central North America at that
> > old airstrip. It was an internet link that brought everyone and the
> > locals are seriously pissed about it.
> >
> > The one gent I was talking to that owned the dog implied 'he' didn't
> > play dumb on you because 'he' knows both names while giving someone else
> > there a dirty stare.....
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > Billy Ray wrote:
> >>
> >> Welcome back Mike,
> >>
> >> The larger floaters were in the master cylinder when we siphoned it out
> >> before starting the flush. The procedure we used was that the master
> >> cylinder was siphoned, refilled with fresh fluid, and then "pumped"
> >> through.
> >> There were some tiny specks in the drained fluid but the larger ones (but
> >> still very small) we removed by siphoning beforehand.
> >>
> >> I don't know if it is related but Ed's fluid reservoir was coated in a
> >> layer
> >> of ....slime (for lack of a better term)
> >>
> >> As for the cup/seal wear I guess we will see what, if anything, happens.
> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:43023D57.1B4B9586@sympatico.ca...
> >> > Ouch....
> >> >
> >> > Those black bits were piston cups or o-rings and whatever component
> >> > they
> >> > came from is going to fail fast. I would be paying close attention to
> >> > the brake pedal feel for a while, especially when holding it down at
> >> > stops....
> >> >
> >> > Those bits often break off the guts of the MC when doing the 'old'
> >> > bleed. (Garages 'love' people that do their own brake flushe$$$) If
> >> > the pedal depresses way down as the bleeder is opened, it can force the
> >> > piston cups past a rust or wear ridge which can and usually does take
> >> > chunks out of old hardened o-rings or cups. The MC then usually fails
> >> > soon after.
> >> >
> >> > It isn't so bad on a new master because all the rings and such are
> >> > still
> >> > soft with no rust ridge.
> >> >
> >> > Same thing for black bits can happen after a brake shoe or pad change.
> >> > As the pistons are compressed, bits of ring can break off which will
> >> > eventually cause a leak failure.
> >> >
> >> > The black crap in the XJ's intake is CCV caused blowby starting
> >> > usually. The CCV system is very touchy on those so when the tiny tube
> >> > and 'metered' hole get a little gunk in them, the crankcase intake line
> >> > starts to feed smoke into the top of the throttle body. It will get
> >> > bad
> >> > enough to start spitting oil onto the air filter in the corner too
> >> > soon.
> >> >
> >> > Here is a good link on that for him. I just used carb cleaner and a
> >> > chunk of wire to clean my CCV tube and a paper clip does the metered
> >> > hole in the grommet.
> >> >
> >> > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/cheroke...ltr/blowby.htm
> >> >
> >> > Mike
> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> >
> >> > Billy Ray wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> My neighbor and I flushed the brakes on his '96 XJ and My '02 WJ this
> >> >> afternoon.
> >> >>
> >> >> In both our Jeeps when the lines were flushed clean we found small
> >> >> black
> >> >> floaters in the drained fluid.
> >> >>
> >> >> On another note when we replaced the air filter in Ed's 4 liter XJ we
> >> >> found
> >> >> the inside of the throttle body to be caked with carbon or soot. What
> >> >> was
> >> >> the cause of that?
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> >> >> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> >> >> Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat

Mike Romain

They just live out at the paved road, a little north where that store is
and were in for a week.

We were going to hear them no matter where we were and the area was
crowded so we camped next door. For entertainment, they all got drunked
up on beer and whisky and honest to god told the wives, 'here hold my
drink and watch this!' while they had a game of tag football out in the
shallow lake off the beach using a soft nerf ball while driving their
ATV's!!!!!!!! 6 and more ATV's with 2 drunks on each.

Then the wives said screw this and got on their own ATV's to join
in!!!!!

It was freaking hilarious. If I had of had a video, I would clean up on
any of those home TV video shows....

The most amazing thing is it went on for about 3 hours and no one got
hurt and they managed to drive all the bikes out. One sounded really
bad though...

It finally ended with all the bikes except one swamped.

The family resemblance between the cousins is umm... striking to say the
least. We know one of their cousins who is a trapper my son and nephew
rescued New Years Eve 2000, 4 hours after he put his ATV through the ice
in a marsh. The boys were checking out a causeway with the lantern for
a safe place to set off fireworks when they heard a faint call for help
coming from across the marsh. They hiked out and dragged him to the
cabin we were in. It was -20C or so out and snowing. We thawed him and
drove him out via those bush roads, way over 50 miles return. Got back
to camp just in time to crack the champagne for midnight. Fireworks
were a bit late, but even nicer than expected!....

We also were camped the right way to see that strobe light you
mentioned. There is a lake that is a summer resort a bit north east and
float planes come in there. That must have a strobe because it isn't on
in the winter.

Do you think you can make the 10 day end of the summer run?

Looks like a bunch coming, I will just be camping, but others will be
trail running. 3 of my doctors have informed me my serious off roading
days are permanently over after the last neck MRI results. I have 5
vertebra compressed from C3 to C7 pinching nerves on every one with one
pushing on my spinal cord itself. Nasty crap!

Mike

Billy Ray wrote:
>
> Did you get the idea that those folks were living there and not just
> camping?
>
> They were well prepared in their tent city and had a couple cords of
> firewood and were still cutting more on that 88 degree day when I spoke to
> them. They were nice enough but I had the feeling I get when I am at my 2nd
> cousins up in Michigan's Upper Peninsula that the locals "just weren't
> right."
>
> I don't recall mentioning the internet and I'm not the type to listen to
> "techno-wave" Actually, I could not tell you what "techno-wave" is is... I
> think I would classify it as "hippy music" or perhaps "dope crazed hippie
> music"
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43025350.54123C72@sympatico.ca...
> > He should be expecting to do a MC change soon.....
> >
> > Oh, so I ran into some 'local yokels' up there camping and for sure they
> > were the same ones with the ------- mouthy dog as when I/we were in the
> > bush and these fools were likely jerking your chain for directions.
> >
> > A bunch of years ago the government changed the name of the lakes we
> > were on. The locals know them as Mink, where I was and Deer, where you
> > was. If they saw your plates or you mentioned internet, they played
> > dumb on you for sure because a week before some 'techno rave' happened
> > with over a thousand people from all over central North America at that
> > old airstrip. It was an internet link that brought everyone and the
> > locals are seriously pissed about it.
> >
> > The one gent I was talking to that owned the dog implied 'he' didn't
> > play dumb on you because 'he' knows both names while giving someone else
> > there a dirty stare.....
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > Billy Ray wrote:
> >>
> >> Welcome back Mike,
> >>
> >> The larger floaters were in the master cylinder when we siphoned it out
> >> before starting the flush. The procedure we used was that the master
> >> cylinder was siphoned, refilled with fresh fluid, and then "pumped"
> >> through.
> >> There were some tiny specks in the drained fluid but the larger ones (but
> >> still very small) we removed by siphoning beforehand.
> >>
> >> I don't know if it is related but Ed's fluid reservoir was coated in a
> >> layer
> >> of ....slime (for lack of a better term)
> >>
> >> As for the cup/seal wear I guess we will see what, if anything, happens.
> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:43023D57.1B4B9586@sympatico.ca...
> >> > Ouch....
> >> >
> >> > Those black bits were piston cups or o-rings and whatever component
> >> > they
> >> > came from is going to fail fast. I would be paying close attention to
> >> > the brake pedal feel for a while, especially when holding it down at
> >> > stops....
> >> >
> >> > Those bits often break off the guts of the MC when doing the 'old'
> >> > bleed. (Garages 'love' people that do their own brake flushe$$$) If
> >> > the pedal depresses way down as the bleeder is opened, it can force the
> >> > piston cups past a rust or wear ridge which can and usually does take
> >> > chunks out of old hardened o-rings or cups. The MC then usually fails
> >> > soon after.
> >> >
> >> > It isn't so bad on a new master because all the rings and such are
> >> > still
> >> > soft with no rust ridge.
> >> >
> >> > Same thing for black bits can happen after a brake shoe or pad change.
> >> > As the pistons are compressed, bits of ring can break off which will
> >> > eventually cause a leak failure.
> >> >
> >> > The black crap in the XJ's intake is CCV caused blowby starting
> >> > usually. The CCV system is very touchy on those so when the tiny tube
> >> > and 'metered' hole get a little gunk in them, the crankcase intake line
> >> > starts to feed smoke into the top of the throttle body. It will get
> >> > bad
> >> > enough to start spitting oil onto the air filter in the corner too
> >> > soon.
> >> >
> >> > Here is a good link on that for him. I just used carb cleaner and a
> >> > chunk of wire to clean my CCV tube and a paper clip does the metered
> >> > hole in the grommet.
> >> >
> >> > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/cheroke...ltr/blowby.htm
> >> >
> >> > Mike
> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> >
> >> > Billy Ray wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> My neighbor and I flushed the brakes on his '96 XJ and My '02 WJ this
> >> >> afternoon.
> >> >>
> >> >> In both our Jeeps when the lines were flushed clean we found small
> >> >> black
> >> >> floaters in the drained fluid.
> >> >>
> >> >> On another note when we replaced the air filter in Ed's 4 liter XJ we
> >> >> found
> >> >> the inside of the throttle body to be caked with carbon or soot. What
> >> >> was
> >> >> the cause of that?
> >> >>
> >> >> --
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