Finally The Answer to my Brake Issues
10-24-2005, 09:25 AM
#91
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Re: Finally The Answer to my Brake Issues
Well Bill, I'd love to oblige you but as familiar as I am with my TJ's
frame, I have seen no seam or any spot welds along the length of the frame
rails. Lots and lots of grit trapped inside them, and plenty of rust, but no
seams or spot welds. Sorry 'bout that ...
/Peter
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:435C3D13.24BAA313@***.net...
> Yup, over 21,600 posts:
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q...=2005&safe=off
> Would you take a picture of the seam for me?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Peter Pontbriand wrote:
> >
> > Are you implying that the fully boxed Wrangler frame rails are made by
spot
> > welding two C channels together? I ask because that is most certainly
not
> > how my TJ's frame rails were made.
> >
> > /Peter
frame, I have seen no seam or any spot welds along the length of the frame
rails. Lots and lots of grit trapped inside them, and plenty of rust, but no
seams or spot welds. Sorry 'bout that ...
/Peter
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:435C3D13.24BAA313@***.net...
> Yup, over 21,600 posts:
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q...=2005&safe=off
> Would you take a picture of the seam for me?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Peter Pontbriand wrote:
> >
> > Are you implying that the fully boxed Wrangler frame rails are made by
spot
> > welding two C channels together? I ask because that is most certainly
not
> > how my TJ's frame rails were made.
> >
> > /Peter
10-24-2005, 02:19 PM
#92
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Re: Finally The Answer to my Brake Issues
And, these days, such frames would have a tough time getting through
anti---------- check points that scan for explosive residue.
Lon wrote:
>
> If they really wanted strong, they'd be using explosive forming. Added
> benefit is a pretty good surface hardening and inner toughening. Of
> course it tends to get kinda noisy and the forms don't have the longest
> service life...
>
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III proclaimed:
>
>> The new Z06 Corvette uses hydraulic pressure to bend their frames,
>> helping in to keep the car under three thousand pounds. God
>> Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Mike Romain wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> That is one way to help stop the lines from kinking when bending. When
>>> they are full, it is harder to kink them. Renting the real tube bender
>>> is the better way to go.
>>>
>>> I guess I should have mentioned you need to blow and rinse them out
>>> after you shape them?? The white beach sand you can buy isn't too
>>> dusty, it has been pre-washed and runs out like an hourglass. Something
>>> like aquarium sand.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
anti---------- check points that scan for explosive residue.
Lon wrote:
>
> If they really wanted strong, they'd be using explosive forming. Added
> benefit is a pretty good surface hardening and inner toughening. Of
> course it tends to get kinda noisy and the forms don't have the longest
> service life...
>
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III proclaimed:
>
>> The new Z06 Corvette uses hydraulic pressure to bend their frames,
>> helping in to keep the car under three thousand pounds. God
>> Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Mike Romain wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> That is one way to help stop the lines from kinking when bending. When
>>> they are full, it is harder to kink them. Renting the real tube bender
>>> is the better way to go.
>>>
>>> I guess I should have mentioned you need to blow and rinse them out
>>> after you shape them?? The white beach sand you can buy isn't too
>>> dusty, it has been pre-washed and runs out like an hourglass. Something
>>> like aquarium sand.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
10-24-2005, 02:19 PM
#93
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Re: Finally The Answer to my Brake Issues
And, these days, such frames would have a tough time getting through
anti---------- check points that scan for explosive residue.
Lon wrote:
>
> If they really wanted strong, they'd be using explosive forming. Added
> benefit is a pretty good surface hardening and inner toughening. Of
> course it tends to get kinda noisy and the forms don't have the longest
> service life...
>
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III proclaimed:
>
>> The new Z06 Corvette uses hydraulic pressure to bend their frames,
>> helping in to keep the car under three thousand pounds. God
>> Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Mike Romain wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> That is one way to help stop the lines from kinking when bending. When
>>> they are full, it is harder to kink them. Renting the real tube bender
>>> is the better way to go.
>>>
>>> I guess I should have mentioned you need to blow and rinse them out
>>> after you shape them?? The white beach sand you can buy isn't too
>>> dusty, it has been pre-washed and runs out like an hourglass. Something
>>> like aquarium sand.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
anti---------- check points that scan for explosive residue.
Lon wrote:
>
> If they really wanted strong, they'd be using explosive forming. Added
> benefit is a pretty good surface hardening and inner toughening. Of
> course it tends to get kinda noisy and the forms don't have the longest
> service life...
>
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III proclaimed:
>
>> The new Z06 Corvette uses hydraulic pressure to bend their frames,
>> helping in to keep the car under three thousand pounds. God
>> Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Mike Romain wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> That is one way to help stop the lines from kinking when bending. When
>>> they are full, it is harder to kink them. Renting the real tube bender
>>> is the better way to go.
>>>
>>> I guess I should have mentioned you need to blow and rinse them out
>>> after you shape them?? The white beach sand you can buy isn't too
>>> dusty, it has been pre-washed and runs out like an hourglass. Something
>>> like aquarium sand.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
10-24-2005, 02:19 PM
#94
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Re: Finally The Answer to my Brake Issues
And, these days, such frames would have a tough time getting through
anti---------- check points that scan for explosive residue.
Lon wrote:
>
> If they really wanted strong, they'd be using explosive forming. Added
> benefit is a pretty good surface hardening and inner toughening. Of
> course it tends to get kinda noisy and the forms don't have the longest
> service life...
>
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III proclaimed:
>
>> The new Z06 Corvette uses hydraulic pressure to bend their frames,
>> helping in to keep the car under three thousand pounds. God
>> Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Mike Romain wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> That is one way to help stop the lines from kinking when bending. When
>>> they are full, it is harder to kink them. Renting the real tube bender
>>> is the better way to go.
>>>
>>> I guess I should have mentioned you need to blow and rinse them out
>>> after you shape them?? The white beach sand you can buy isn't too
>>> dusty, it has been pre-washed and runs out like an hourglass. Something
>>> like aquarium sand.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
anti---------- check points that scan for explosive residue.
Lon wrote:
>
> If they really wanted strong, they'd be using explosive forming. Added
> benefit is a pretty good surface hardening and inner toughening. Of
> course it tends to get kinda noisy and the forms don't have the longest
> service life...
>
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III proclaimed:
>
>> The new Z06 Corvette uses hydraulic pressure to bend their frames,
>> helping in to keep the car under three thousand pounds. God
>> Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Mike Romain wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> That is one way to help stop the lines from kinking when bending. When
>>> they are full, it is harder to kink them. Renting the real tube bender
>>> is the better way to go.
>>>
>>> I guess I should have mentioned you need to blow and rinse them out
>>> after you shape them?? The white beach sand you can buy isn't too
>>> dusty, it has been pre-washed and runs out like an hourglass. Something
>>> like aquarium sand.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
10-24-2005, 02:23 PM
#95
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Re: Finally The Answer to my Brake Issues
I'm guessing the operative phrase is "spot welded".
My `79 CJ-5's frame looks like it was welded while moving on the line.
Mike Romain wrote:
> My 86 CJ7's is just two C channels welded. Err, better said split....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Peter Pontbriand wrote:
>
>>Are you implying that the fully boxed Wrangler frame rails are made by spot
>>welding two C channels together? I ask because that is most certainly not
>>how my TJ's frame rails were made.
>>
>>/Peter
>>
>>"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>news:435C19B6.627AA33E@***.net...
>>
>>> They may do that too, I was just really amazed they didn't stamp
>>>two halfs and spot them together like the Wannabee jeepettes.
>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>
>>>Lon wrote:
>>>
>>>>If they really wanted strong, they'd be using explosive forming. Added
>>>>benefit is a pretty good surface hardening and inner toughening. Of
>>>>course it tends to get kinda noisy and the forms don't have the longest
>>>>service life...
10-24-2005, 02:23 PM
#96
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Re: Finally The Answer to my Brake Issues
I'm guessing the operative phrase is "spot welded".
My `79 CJ-5's frame looks like it was welded while moving on the line.
Mike Romain wrote:
> My 86 CJ7's is just two C channels welded. Err, better said split....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Peter Pontbriand wrote:
>
>>Are you implying that the fully boxed Wrangler frame rails are made by spot
>>welding two C channels together? I ask because that is most certainly not
>>how my TJ's frame rails were made.
>>
>>/Peter
>>
>>"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>news:435C19B6.627AA33E@***.net...
>>
>>> They may do that too, I was just really amazed they didn't stamp
>>>two halfs and spot them together like the Wannabee jeepettes.
>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>
>>>Lon wrote:
>>>
>>>>If they really wanted strong, they'd be using explosive forming. Added
>>>>benefit is a pretty good surface hardening and inner toughening. Of
>>>>course it tends to get kinda noisy and the forms don't have the longest
>>>>service life...
10-24-2005, 02:23 PM
#97
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Re: Finally The Answer to my Brake Issues
I'm guessing the operative phrase is "spot welded".
My `79 CJ-5's frame looks like it was welded while moving on the line.
Mike Romain wrote:
> My 86 CJ7's is just two C channels welded. Err, better said split....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Peter Pontbriand wrote:
>
>>Are you implying that the fully boxed Wrangler frame rails are made by spot
>>welding two C channels together? I ask because that is most certainly not
>>how my TJ's frame rails were made.
>>
>>/Peter
>>
>>"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>news:435C19B6.627AA33E@***.net...
>>
>>> They may do that too, I was just really amazed they didn't stamp
>>>two halfs and spot them together like the Wannabee jeepettes.
>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>
>>>Lon wrote:
>>>
>>>>If they really wanted strong, they'd be using explosive forming. Added
>>>>benefit is a pretty good surface hardening and inner toughening. Of
>>>>course it tends to get kinda noisy and the forms don't have the longest
>>>>service life...
10-24-2005, 05:35 PM
#98
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Re: Finally The Answer to my Brake Issues
I'll take your word for it.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Peter Pontbriand wrote:
>
> Well Bill, I'd love to oblige you but as familiar as I am with my TJ's
> frame, I have seen no seam or any spot welds along the length of the frame
> rails. Lots and lots of grit trapped inside them, and plenty of rust, but no
> seams or spot welds. Sorry 'bout that ...
>
> /Peter
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Peter Pontbriand wrote:
>
> Well Bill, I'd love to oblige you but as familiar as I am with my TJ's
> frame, I have seen no seam or any spot welds along the length of the frame
> rails. Lots and lots of grit trapped inside them, and plenty of rust, but no
> seams or spot welds. Sorry 'bout that ...
>
> /Peter
10-24-2005, 05:35 PM
#99
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Re: Finally The Answer to my Brake Issues
I'll take your word for it.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Peter Pontbriand wrote:
>
> Well Bill, I'd love to oblige you but as familiar as I am with my TJ's
> frame, I have seen no seam or any spot welds along the length of the frame
> rails. Lots and lots of grit trapped inside them, and plenty of rust, but no
> seams or spot welds. Sorry 'bout that ...
>
> /Peter
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Peter Pontbriand wrote:
>
> Well Bill, I'd love to oblige you but as familiar as I am with my TJ's
> frame, I have seen no seam or any spot welds along the length of the frame
> rails. Lots and lots of grit trapped inside them, and plenty of rust, but no
> seams or spot welds. Sorry 'bout that ...
>
> /Peter
10-24-2005, 05:35 PM
#100
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Re: Finally The Answer to my Brake Issues
I'll take your word for it.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Peter Pontbriand wrote:
>
> Well Bill, I'd love to oblige you but as familiar as I am with my TJ's
> frame, I have seen no seam or any spot welds along the length of the frame
> rails. Lots and lots of grit trapped inside them, and plenty of rust, but no
> seams or spot welds. Sorry 'bout that ...
>
> /Peter
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Peter Pontbriand wrote:
>
> Well Bill, I'd love to oblige you but as familiar as I am with my TJ's
> frame, I have seen no seam or any spot welds along the length of the frame
> rails. Lots and lots of grit trapped inside them, and plenty of rust, but no
> seams or spot welds. Sorry 'bout that ...
>
> /Peter
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