Finally The Answer to my Brake Issues
#51
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Re: Finally The Answer to my Brake Issues
I do not think you can get preformed lines for a CJ7. At least up here
in Canada they don't carry stuff that old.
You can get pre-terminated lines of various lengths at most auto stores
so if you take in the old lines you can likely match them fairly close.
Nothing a few lazy S bends can't fix for being a bit too long.
The problem with the pre-terminated ones is getting smooth bends. There
are some wicked bends in the rear around the shocks and back axle and
from the combination valve out to the front wheels. If you get the coil
spring bender, you can thread or screw it over the flare with some
patience and strong fingers. The bender just slips along with the bulk
tubing.
One other way to do nice bends is to duct tape one end of the pipe and
fill it with fine white beach sand while tapping it down so it packs in
there. This will keep the line from kinking.
If you aren't comfortable using a flare tool, then the pre-terminated
lines are the way to go. No matter, the new fittings will need to make
a creaking noise before they are properly tight.
The old lines won't likely come off easy at the fittings. When I am
replacing, I cut the tubes just at the brass fitting so I can use a
socket wrench on them instead of an open end wrench.
A proper open end tube or fitting wrench is well worth buying. They fit
5 of the 6 fitting sides and you can hold them closed with vise grips if
needed.
You will need lots of good penetrating oil.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Jack-Jack wrote:
>
> Anybody have any input on bulk brake line vs. the preformed...price not
> withstanding!
in Canada they don't carry stuff that old.
You can get pre-terminated lines of various lengths at most auto stores
so if you take in the old lines you can likely match them fairly close.
Nothing a few lazy S bends can't fix for being a bit too long.
The problem with the pre-terminated ones is getting smooth bends. There
are some wicked bends in the rear around the shocks and back axle and
from the combination valve out to the front wheels. If you get the coil
spring bender, you can thread or screw it over the flare with some
patience and strong fingers. The bender just slips along with the bulk
tubing.
One other way to do nice bends is to duct tape one end of the pipe and
fill it with fine white beach sand while tapping it down so it packs in
there. This will keep the line from kinking.
If you aren't comfortable using a flare tool, then the pre-terminated
lines are the way to go. No matter, the new fittings will need to make
a creaking noise before they are properly tight.
The old lines won't likely come off easy at the fittings. When I am
replacing, I cut the tubes just at the brass fitting so I can use a
socket wrench on them instead of an open end wrench.
A proper open end tube or fitting wrench is well worth buying. They fit
5 of the 6 fitting sides and you can hold them closed with vise grips if
needed.
You will need lots of good penetrating oil.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Jack-Jack wrote:
>
> Anybody have any input on bulk brake line vs. the preformed...price not
> withstanding!
#52
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Re: Finally The Answer to my Brake Issues
I do not think you can get preformed lines for a CJ7. At least up here
in Canada they don't carry stuff that old.
You can get pre-terminated lines of various lengths at most auto stores
so if you take in the old lines you can likely match them fairly close.
Nothing a few lazy S bends can't fix for being a bit too long.
The problem with the pre-terminated ones is getting smooth bends. There
are some wicked bends in the rear around the shocks and back axle and
from the combination valve out to the front wheels. If you get the coil
spring bender, you can thread or screw it over the flare with some
patience and strong fingers. The bender just slips along with the bulk
tubing.
One other way to do nice bends is to duct tape one end of the pipe and
fill it with fine white beach sand while tapping it down so it packs in
there. This will keep the line from kinking.
If you aren't comfortable using a flare tool, then the pre-terminated
lines are the way to go. No matter, the new fittings will need to make
a creaking noise before they are properly tight.
The old lines won't likely come off easy at the fittings. When I am
replacing, I cut the tubes just at the brass fitting so I can use a
socket wrench on them instead of an open end wrench.
A proper open end tube or fitting wrench is well worth buying. They fit
5 of the 6 fitting sides and you can hold them closed with vise grips if
needed.
You will need lots of good penetrating oil.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Jack-Jack wrote:
>
> Anybody have any input on bulk brake line vs. the preformed...price not
> withstanding!
in Canada they don't carry stuff that old.
You can get pre-terminated lines of various lengths at most auto stores
so if you take in the old lines you can likely match them fairly close.
Nothing a few lazy S bends can't fix for being a bit too long.
The problem with the pre-terminated ones is getting smooth bends. There
are some wicked bends in the rear around the shocks and back axle and
from the combination valve out to the front wheels. If you get the coil
spring bender, you can thread or screw it over the flare with some
patience and strong fingers. The bender just slips along with the bulk
tubing.
One other way to do nice bends is to duct tape one end of the pipe and
fill it with fine white beach sand while tapping it down so it packs in
there. This will keep the line from kinking.
If you aren't comfortable using a flare tool, then the pre-terminated
lines are the way to go. No matter, the new fittings will need to make
a creaking noise before they are properly tight.
The old lines won't likely come off easy at the fittings. When I am
replacing, I cut the tubes just at the brass fitting so I can use a
socket wrench on them instead of an open end wrench.
A proper open end tube or fitting wrench is well worth buying. They fit
5 of the 6 fitting sides and you can hold them closed with vise grips if
needed.
You will need lots of good penetrating oil.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Jack-Jack wrote:
>
> Anybody have any input on bulk brake line vs. the preformed...price not
> withstanding!
#53
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Re: Finally The Answer to my Brake Issues
> One other way to do nice bends is to duct tape one end of the pipe and
> fill it with fine white beach sand while tapping it down so it packs in
> there. This will keep the line from kinking.
Mike not questioning your experience or expertise here - your guidance on
this group has been fantastic over the years.
That said - are you suggesting I fill my brake lines with sand when it comes
time for replacement!?
#54
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Re: Finally The Answer to my Brake Issues
> One other way to do nice bends is to duct tape one end of the pipe and
> fill it with fine white beach sand while tapping it down so it packs in
> there. This will keep the line from kinking.
Mike not questioning your experience or expertise here - your guidance on
this group has been fantastic over the years.
That said - are you suggesting I fill my brake lines with sand when it comes
time for replacement!?
#55
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Re: Finally The Answer to my Brake Issues
> One other way to do nice bends is to duct tape one end of the pipe and
> fill it with fine white beach sand while tapping it down so it packs in
> there. This will keep the line from kinking.
Mike not questioning your experience or expertise here - your guidance on
this group has been fantastic over the years.
That said - are you suggesting I fill my brake lines with sand when it comes
time for replacement!?
#56
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Re: Finally The Answer to my Brake Issues
Jason Backshall wrote:
>
> > One other way to do nice bends is to duct tape one end of the pipe and
> > fill it with fine white beach sand while tapping it down so it packs in
> > there. This will keep the line from kinking.
>
> Mike not questioning your experience or expertise here - your guidance on
> this group has been fantastic over the years.
>
> That said - are you suggesting I fill my brake lines with sand when it comes
> time for replacement!?
That is one way to help stop the lines from kinking when bending. When
they are full, it is harder to kink them. Renting the real tube bender
is the better way to go.
I guess I should have mentioned you need to blow and rinse them out
after you shape them?? The white beach sand you can buy isn't too
dusty, it has been pre-washed and runs out like an hourglass. Something
like aquarium sand.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> > One other way to do nice bends is to duct tape one end of the pipe and
> > fill it with fine white beach sand while tapping it down so it packs in
> > there. This will keep the line from kinking.
>
> Mike not questioning your experience or expertise here - your guidance on
> this group has been fantastic over the years.
>
> That said - are you suggesting I fill my brake lines with sand when it comes
> time for replacement!?
That is one way to help stop the lines from kinking when bending. When
they are full, it is harder to kink them. Renting the real tube bender
is the better way to go.
I guess I should have mentioned you need to blow and rinse them out
after you shape them?? The white beach sand you can buy isn't too
dusty, it has been pre-washed and runs out like an hourglass. Something
like aquarium sand.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
#57
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Re: Finally The Answer to my Brake Issues
Jason Backshall wrote:
>
> > One other way to do nice bends is to duct tape one end of the pipe and
> > fill it with fine white beach sand while tapping it down so it packs in
> > there. This will keep the line from kinking.
>
> Mike not questioning your experience or expertise here - your guidance on
> this group has been fantastic over the years.
>
> That said - are you suggesting I fill my brake lines with sand when it comes
> time for replacement!?
That is one way to help stop the lines from kinking when bending. When
they are full, it is harder to kink them. Renting the real tube bender
is the better way to go.
I guess I should have mentioned you need to blow and rinse them out
after you shape them?? The white beach sand you can buy isn't too
dusty, it has been pre-washed and runs out like an hourglass. Something
like aquarium sand.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> > One other way to do nice bends is to duct tape one end of the pipe and
> > fill it with fine white beach sand while tapping it down so it packs in
> > there. This will keep the line from kinking.
>
> Mike not questioning your experience or expertise here - your guidance on
> this group has been fantastic over the years.
>
> That said - are you suggesting I fill my brake lines with sand when it comes
> time for replacement!?
That is one way to help stop the lines from kinking when bending. When
they are full, it is harder to kink them. Renting the real tube bender
is the better way to go.
I guess I should have mentioned you need to blow and rinse them out
after you shape them?? The white beach sand you can buy isn't too
dusty, it has been pre-washed and runs out like an hourglass. Something
like aquarium sand.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
#58
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Re: Finally The Answer to my Brake Issues
Jason Backshall wrote:
>
> > One other way to do nice bends is to duct tape one end of the pipe and
> > fill it with fine white beach sand while tapping it down so it packs in
> > there. This will keep the line from kinking.
>
> Mike not questioning your experience or expertise here - your guidance on
> this group has been fantastic over the years.
>
> That said - are you suggesting I fill my brake lines with sand when it comes
> time for replacement!?
That is one way to help stop the lines from kinking when bending. When
they are full, it is harder to kink them. Renting the real tube bender
is the better way to go.
I guess I should have mentioned you need to blow and rinse them out
after you shape them?? The white beach sand you can buy isn't too
dusty, it has been pre-washed and runs out like an hourglass. Something
like aquarium sand.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> > One other way to do nice bends is to duct tape one end of the pipe and
> > fill it with fine white beach sand while tapping it down so it packs in
> > there. This will keep the line from kinking.
>
> Mike not questioning your experience or expertise here - your guidance on
> this group has been fantastic over the years.
>
> That said - are you suggesting I fill my brake lines with sand when it comes
> time for replacement!?
That is one way to help stop the lines from kinking when bending. When
they are full, it is harder to kink them. Renting the real tube bender
is the better way to go.
I guess I should have mentioned you need to blow and rinse them out
after you shape them?? The white beach sand you can buy isn't too
dusty, it has been pre-washed and runs out like an hourglass. Something
like aquarium sand.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
#59
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Re: Finally The Answer to my Brake Issues
That's the new plumbing, you're heard of maderal pipe bends? That's
bending of tubes without kinking them making for a unequal restriction
between wheels. Buy the spring thingies to slide over the lines, does an
OK job: http://www.----------.com/tubebender.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Jason Backshall wrote:
>
> That said - are you suggesting I fill my brake lines with sand when it comes
> time for replacement!?
bending of tubes without kinking them making for a unequal restriction
between wheels. Buy the spring thingies to slide over the lines, does an
OK job: http://www.----------.com/tubebender.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Jason Backshall wrote:
>
> That said - are you suggesting I fill my brake lines with sand when it comes
> time for replacement!?
#60
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Re: Finally The Answer to my Brake Issues
That's the new plumbing, you're heard of maderal pipe bends? That's
bending of tubes without kinking them making for a unequal restriction
between wheels. Buy the spring thingies to slide over the lines, does an
OK job: http://www.----------.com/tubebender.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Jason Backshall wrote:
>
> That said - are you suggesting I fill my brake lines with sand when it comes
> time for replacement!?
bending of tubes without kinking them making for a unequal restriction
between wheels. Buy the spring thingies to slide over the lines, does an
OK job: http://www.----------.com/tubebender.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Jason Backshall wrote:
>
> That said - are you suggesting I fill my brake lines with sand when it comes
> time for replacement!?