Detroit Vs Japan
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Re: Detroit Vs Japan
There are some well-respected auto journalists who claim that since
Ford bought Jaguar/Aston Martin, the darned things don't self
destruct and puke oil all over your driveway any more. However
I still don't know of any auto journalist who rates any American
brand at the reliability levels of the Japanese. The Americans
on the way up appear to have met the Germans on the way down, with
the Koreans almost up to Japanese levels. All referring to
passenger cars of course, doubt if any of them will outlast a
Peterbilt.
Matt Macchiarolo proclaimed:
> Every time someone provides examples of so-called poor reliability of
> American autos, they bring these 20-30-year old designs up. How about
> lately? As I said before, reliability level was raised by domestic automakes
> because it had to, and there is very little difference in reliability now
> compared to imports. The car I ever owned (OK, leased) was a Honda that got
> bought back under lemon law, but not until after a legal fight. Basically
> Honda's response was "Our cars don't break like that."
>
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:42993551.BB71EB2E@***.net...
>
>> And what was wrong with these "Vega, the Monza, the X-bodies, the
>>60 degree V6's"?
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
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>>calcerise@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>There were a lot of them. There still are.
>>>
>>> GM made the Vega, the Monza, the X-bodies, the 60 degree V6's, in fact
>>>they did not build a single decent small car for a roughly twenty year
>>>period.It wasn't until the Saturn GM had a small car it could look to
>>>with any self-respect at all. Chrysler built and still builds an
>>>entire generation of minivans with marginal transmissions and the
>>>horrible Neon.
>>>
>>> For what it's worth, for the weight and money, if new car buyers
>>>bought strictly according to reliability and cost per mile, Detroit's
>>>passenger car line would be in even worse shape than it is. And their
>>>big truck lines are selling mostly on the basis of macho and status
>>>rather than as work trucks-most people do not need that big a truck.
>>>Somewhere between a Ford Ranger and a Dodge Dakota is the right size.
>>>If they would offer a Dakota size pickup with the 4 cylinder Cummins
>>>and a full tilt fiberglass hood like a Freightliner, it would probably
>>>be the best selling _work_ truck for fleet use in the country-that's
>>>who's buying Rangers. If you need a "full size pickup" for actual
>>>work, you probably need a _medium duty truck_ and not a pickup, like
>>>the small Internationals, the Isuzu Chevy forward cabs, or similar.
>>>
>>> And another thing, the toughest industrial engines are Toyotas. Based
>>>on my company's record with forklifts, I would buy no other brand of
>>>lift truck. Hyster and Clark simply cannot compete on downtime and
>>>overall operating expense.
>
>
>
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"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Well witches are not in my Bible, First Presbyterian:
> http://www.----------.com/dogtag.jpg What are you, Muslim? My wish is to
> send all you and your kind, Al-Qa'ida Jihad to Allah
You give up... I win!
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"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Well witches are not in my Bible, First Presbyterian:
> http://www.----------.com/dogtag.jpg What are you, Muslim? My wish is to
> send all you and your kind, Al-Qa'ida Jihad to Allah
You give up... I win!
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"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Well witches are not in my Bible, First Presbyterian:
> http://www.----------.com/dogtag.jpg What are you, Muslim? My wish is to
> send all you and your kind, Al-Qa'ida Jihad to Allah
You give up... I win!
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"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Well witches are not in my Bible, First Presbyterian:
> http://www.----------.com/dogtag.jpg What are you, Muslim? My wish is to
> send all you and your kind, Al-Qa'ida Jihad to Allah
You give up... I win!
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Steve
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"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > blimey, what version are you using Bill ?
> >
> > Exodus 22:18
> >
> > American Standard Version "Thou shalt not suffer a sorceress to live."
> > The Answer: Put to death any woman who does evil magic.
> > Amplified Bible: You shall not allow a woman to live who practices
sorcery.
> > Good News Version: Put to death any woman who practices magic.
> > James Moffatt Translation: You shall not allow any sorceress to live.
> > Jerusalem Bible: You shall not allow a sorceress to live.
> > King James Version: Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
> > Living Bible: A sorceress shall be put to death.
> > Modern Language Bible: Allow no sorceress to live.
> > New American Bible: You shall not let a sorceress live.
> > New American Standard Bible: You shall not let a sorceress live.
> > New Century Version: Put to death any woman who does evil magic.
> > New International Version: Do not allow a sorceress to live.
> > New Living Translation: A sorceress must not be allowed to live.
> > New Revised Standard Version: You shall not permit a female sorcerer to
> > live.
> > New World Translation: You must not preserve a sorceress alive.
> > The Promise: Contemporary English Version: Death is the punishment for
> > witchcraft.
> > Revised Standard Version: You shall not permit a sorceress to live.
> > Revised English Bible: You must not allow a witch to live.
> And I thought I already gave you the link, silly me.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
That would be the NIV, I believe... Bill's Bible says:
"Do not allow a sorceress to live"
..... funny how the Bible changes, and all.... makes you wonder
who all's gotten involved with it.
So Bill, killed any Sorceresses lately?
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"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > blimey, what version are you using Bill ?
> >
> > Exodus 22:18
> >
> > American Standard Version "Thou shalt not suffer a sorceress to live."
> > The Answer: Put to death any woman who does evil magic.
> > Amplified Bible: You shall not allow a woman to live who practices
sorcery.
> > Good News Version: Put to death any woman who practices magic.
> > James Moffatt Translation: You shall not allow any sorceress to live.
> > Jerusalem Bible: You shall not allow a sorceress to live.
> > King James Version: Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
> > Living Bible: A sorceress shall be put to death.
> > Modern Language Bible: Allow no sorceress to live.
> > New American Bible: You shall not let a sorceress live.
> > New American Standard Bible: You shall not let a sorceress live.
> > New Century Version: Put to death any woman who does evil magic.
> > New International Version: Do not allow a sorceress to live.
> > New Living Translation: A sorceress must not be allowed to live.
> > New Revised Standard Version: You shall not permit a female sorcerer to
> > live.
> > New World Translation: You must not preserve a sorceress alive.
> > The Promise: Contemporary English Version: Death is the punishment for
> > witchcraft.
> > Revised Standard Version: You shall not permit a sorceress to live.
> > Revised English Bible: You must not allow a witch to live.
> And I thought I already gave you the link, silly me.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
That would be the NIV, I believe... Bill's Bible says:
"Do not allow a sorceress to live"
..... funny how the Bible changes, and all.... makes you wonder
who all's gotten involved with it.
So Bill, killed any Sorceresses lately?
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Steve
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"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > blimey, what version are you using Bill ?
> >
> > Exodus 22:18
> >
> > American Standard Version "Thou shalt not suffer a sorceress to live."
> > The Answer: Put to death any woman who does evil magic.
> > Amplified Bible: You shall not allow a woman to live who practices
sorcery.
> > Good News Version: Put to death any woman who practices magic.
> > James Moffatt Translation: You shall not allow any sorceress to live.
> > Jerusalem Bible: You shall not allow a sorceress to live.
> > King James Version: Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
> > Living Bible: A sorceress shall be put to death.
> > Modern Language Bible: Allow no sorceress to live.
> > New American Bible: You shall not let a sorceress live.
> > New American Standard Bible: You shall not let a sorceress live.
> > New Century Version: Put to death any woman who does evil magic.
> > New International Version: Do not allow a sorceress to live.
> > New Living Translation: A sorceress must not be allowed to live.
> > New Revised Standard Version: You shall not permit a female sorcerer to
> > live.
> > New World Translation: You must not preserve a sorceress alive.
> > The Promise: Contemporary English Version: Death is the punishment for
> > witchcraft.
> > Revised Standard Version: You shall not permit a sorceress to live.
> > Revised English Bible: You must not allow a witch to live.
> And I thought I already gave you the link, silly me.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
That would be the NIV, I believe... Bill's Bible says:
"Do not allow a sorceress to live"
..... funny how the Bible changes, and all.... makes you wonder
who all's gotten involved with it.
So Bill, killed any Sorceresses lately?
__
Steve
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Re: Detroit Vs Japan
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > blimey, what version are you using Bill ?
> >
> > Exodus 22:18
> >
> > American Standard Version "Thou shalt not suffer a sorceress to live."
> > The Answer: Put to death any woman who does evil magic.
> > Amplified Bible: You shall not allow a woman to live who practices
sorcery.
> > Good News Version: Put to death any woman who practices magic.
> > James Moffatt Translation: You shall not allow any sorceress to live.
> > Jerusalem Bible: You shall not allow a sorceress to live.
> > King James Version: Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
> > Living Bible: A sorceress shall be put to death.
> > Modern Language Bible: Allow no sorceress to live.
> > New American Bible: You shall not let a sorceress live.
> > New American Standard Bible: You shall not let a sorceress live.
> > New Century Version: Put to death any woman who does evil magic.
> > New International Version: Do not allow a sorceress to live.
> > New Living Translation: A sorceress must not be allowed to live.
> > New Revised Standard Version: You shall not permit a female sorcerer to
> > live.
> > New World Translation: You must not preserve a sorceress alive.
> > The Promise: Contemporary English Version: Death is the punishment for
> > witchcraft.
> > Revised Standard Version: You shall not permit a sorceress to live.
> > Revised English Bible: You must not allow a witch to live.
> And I thought I already gave you the link, silly me.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
That would be the NIV, I believe... Bill's Bible says:
"Do not allow a sorceress to live"
..... funny how the Bible changes, and all.... makes you wonder
who all's gotten involved with it.
So Bill, killed any Sorceresses lately?
__
Steve
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"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Stephen Cowell wrote:
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:429936DF.70DFE2D@***.net...
> > > I don't know of any "soft" camshafts made by anyone.
> >
> >
http://groups-beta.google.com/groups...22&qt_s=Search
> >
> > Eight hits...
> >
> > > GM, shouldn't have made the nineteen to one, from the standard
> > > passenger car's 350" small block. They failed because people including
> > > the tanker truck drivers kept put gasoline into them.
> >
> > Oh, now you're admitting a mistake by GM! I've helped you
> > eliminate another 'never' from your vocabulary! You're welcome...
> > you remember your assertion, right? It went like:
> >
> > > What reliability problems were there? People bashing American
> > > products say that, but are never capable of giving us an example.
> >
> > I'm helping you learn!
> Let me put gasoline into any diesel car of your choice and you see
> what happens. Plus the people weren't use to changing the filter twice
> as often, as their gas engines. You try and find a '80 Mercedes diesel
> still on the road. Of course there are plenty of Ford gas engines:
Now we see why 'nobody can give an example'... you won't accept it!
The f*ing parrot's dead, Bill, Norwegian Blue or not... and what about
the 'soft camshafts'? Ignoring that one, eh? Think you can spin like Rove?
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Steve
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