Detroit Vs Japan
#401
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Re: Detroit Vs Japan
RJ proclaimed:
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote:
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>> And what was wrong with these "Vega,
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> A much shorter essay would be the list of what was right with the Vega.
>
> The car was a disaster from every dimension a car can be graded.
Actually much of what was wrong with the Vega had more to do with
excessive cost cutting, not the concept. The problems with stuff
falling off [e.g. carbs] were caused by intentionally leaving off
washers to save a few bucks. The concept of the aluminum engine
wasn't what was wrong, as Porsche used it very successfully on the
928, it was the crappily cheap cooling system that did much of the
damage. The Cosworth Vega was a good idea and a great car until
the damn GM bean counters turned it into a piece of overpriced
junk on wheels.
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote:
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>> And what was wrong with these "Vega,
>
>
> A much shorter essay would be the list of what was right with the Vega.
>
> The car was a disaster from every dimension a car can be graded.
Actually much of what was wrong with the Vega had more to do with
excessive cost cutting, not the concept. The problems with stuff
falling off [e.g. carbs] were caused by intentionally leaving off
washers to save a few bucks. The concept of the aluminum engine
wasn't what was wrong, as Porsche used it very successfully on the
928, it was the crappily cheap cooling system that did much of the
damage. The Cosworth Vega was a good idea and a great car until
the damn GM bean counters turned it into a piece of overpriced
junk on wheels.
#402
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Re: Detroit Vs Japan
RJ proclaimed:
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote:
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>> ONCE AGAIN, NOT ONE EXAMPLE!
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> In addition to the badly engineered aluminum engine, the Vega was the
> worst rust bucket I ever saw.
>
> Second worst, by the way, was the full size Chevy Blazer.
The champions of that era were the Jaguar XKE with a body structure
perfectly designed to catch moisture...and the 911 Porsche which on
a quiet night you could actually hear corrode.
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote:
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>
>> ONCE AGAIN, NOT ONE EXAMPLE!
>
>
> In addition to the badly engineered aluminum engine, the Vega was the
> worst rust bucket I ever saw.
>
> Second worst, by the way, was the full size Chevy Blazer.
The champions of that era were the Jaguar XKE with a body structure
perfectly designed to catch moisture...and the 911 Porsche which on
a quiet night you could actually hear corrode.
#403
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Re: Detroit Vs Japan
RJ proclaimed:
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote:
>
>
>> ONCE AGAIN, NOT ONE EXAMPLE!
>
>
> In addition to the badly engineered aluminum engine, the Vega was the
> worst rust bucket I ever saw.
>
> Second worst, by the way, was the full size Chevy Blazer.
The champions of that era were the Jaguar XKE with a body structure
perfectly designed to catch moisture...and the 911 Porsche which on
a quiet night you could actually hear corrode.
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote:
>
>
>> ONCE AGAIN, NOT ONE EXAMPLE!
>
>
> In addition to the badly engineered aluminum engine, the Vega was the
> worst rust bucket I ever saw.
>
> Second worst, by the way, was the full size Chevy Blazer.
The champions of that era were the Jaguar XKE with a body structure
perfectly designed to catch moisture...and the 911 Porsche which on
a quiet night you could actually hear corrode.
#404
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Re: Detroit Vs Japan
RJ proclaimed:
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote:
>
>
>> ONCE AGAIN, NOT ONE EXAMPLE!
>
>
> In addition to the badly engineered aluminum engine, the Vega was the
> worst rust bucket I ever saw.
>
> Second worst, by the way, was the full size Chevy Blazer.
The champions of that era were the Jaguar XKE with a body structure
perfectly designed to catch moisture...and the 911 Porsche which on
a quiet night you could actually hear corrode.
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote:
>
>
>> ONCE AGAIN, NOT ONE EXAMPLE!
>
>
> In addition to the badly engineered aluminum engine, the Vega was the
> worst rust bucket I ever saw.
>
> Second worst, by the way, was the full size Chevy Blazer.
The champions of that era were the Jaguar XKE with a body structure
perfectly designed to catch moisture...and the 911 Porsche which on
a quiet night you could actually hear corrode.
#405
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Re: Detroit Vs Japan
RJ proclaimed:
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote:
>
>
>> ONCE AGAIN, NOT ONE EXAMPLE!
>
>
> In addition to the badly engineered aluminum engine, the Vega was the
> worst rust bucket I ever saw.
>
> Second worst, by the way, was the full size Chevy Blazer.
The champions of that era were the Jaguar XKE with a body structure
perfectly designed to catch moisture...and the 911 Porsche which on
a quiet night you could actually hear corrode.
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote:
>
>
>> ONCE AGAIN, NOT ONE EXAMPLE!
>
>
> In addition to the badly engineered aluminum engine, the Vega was the
> worst rust bucket I ever saw.
>
> Second worst, by the way, was the full size Chevy Blazer.
The champions of that era were the Jaguar XKE with a body structure
perfectly designed to catch moisture...and the 911 Porsche which on
a quiet night you could actually hear corrode.
#406
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Re: Detroit Vs Japan
Ruel Smith proclaimed:
> RJ wrote:
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>>In addition to the badly engineered aluminum engine, the Vega was the
>>worst rust bucket I ever saw.
>>
>>Second worst, by the way, was the full size Chevy Blazer
>
>
> Man... Those Japanese cars from that same era, especially the Datsuns,
> rusted pretty easily and pretty badly.
Yup. The big difference was the steel. You could cut an american
steel body with just an ordinary hardened steel bit in a Dremel. The
darned Datsun steel was so hard you needed carbide bits. That
hardness was not a good thing...made them very brittle and a true
bitch to undent.
> RJ wrote:
>
>
>>In addition to the badly engineered aluminum engine, the Vega was the
>>worst rust bucket I ever saw.
>>
>>Second worst, by the way, was the full size Chevy Blazer
>
>
> Man... Those Japanese cars from that same era, especially the Datsuns,
> rusted pretty easily and pretty badly.
Yup. The big difference was the steel. You could cut an american
steel body with just an ordinary hardened steel bit in a Dremel. The
darned Datsun steel was so hard you needed carbide bits. That
hardness was not a good thing...made them very brittle and a true
bitch to undent.
#407
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Re: Detroit Vs Japan
Ruel Smith proclaimed:
> RJ wrote:
>
>
>>In addition to the badly engineered aluminum engine, the Vega was the
>>worst rust bucket I ever saw.
>>
>>Second worst, by the way, was the full size Chevy Blazer
>
>
> Man... Those Japanese cars from that same era, especially the Datsuns,
> rusted pretty easily and pretty badly.
Yup. The big difference was the steel. You could cut an american
steel body with just an ordinary hardened steel bit in a Dremel. The
darned Datsun steel was so hard you needed carbide bits. That
hardness was not a good thing...made them very brittle and a true
bitch to undent.
> RJ wrote:
>
>
>>In addition to the badly engineered aluminum engine, the Vega was the
>>worst rust bucket I ever saw.
>>
>>Second worst, by the way, was the full size Chevy Blazer
>
>
> Man... Those Japanese cars from that same era, especially the Datsuns,
> rusted pretty easily and pretty badly.
Yup. The big difference was the steel. You could cut an american
steel body with just an ordinary hardened steel bit in a Dremel. The
darned Datsun steel was so hard you needed carbide bits. That
hardness was not a good thing...made them very brittle and a true
bitch to undent.
#408
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Re: Detroit Vs Japan
Ruel Smith proclaimed:
> RJ wrote:
>
>
>>In addition to the badly engineered aluminum engine, the Vega was the
>>worst rust bucket I ever saw.
>>
>>Second worst, by the way, was the full size Chevy Blazer
>
>
> Man... Those Japanese cars from that same era, especially the Datsuns,
> rusted pretty easily and pretty badly.
Yup. The big difference was the steel. You could cut an american
steel body with just an ordinary hardened steel bit in a Dremel. The
darned Datsun steel was so hard you needed carbide bits. That
hardness was not a good thing...made them very brittle and a true
bitch to undent.
> RJ wrote:
>
>
>>In addition to the badly engineered aluminum engine, the Vega was the
>>worst rust bucket I ever saw.
>>
>>Second worst, by the way, was the full size Chevy Blazer
>
>
> Man... Those Japanese cars from that same era, especially the Datsuns,
> rusted pretty easily and pretty badly.
Yup. The big difference was the steel. You could cut an american
steel body with just an ordinary hardened steel bit in a Dremel. The
darned Datsun steel was so hard you needed carbide bits. That
hardness was not a good thing...made them very brittle and a true
bitch to undent.
#409
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Re: Detroit Vs Japan
Ruel Smith proclaimed:
> RJ wrote:
>
>
>>In addition to the badly engineered aluminum engine, the Vega was the
>>worst rust bucket I ever saw.
>>
>>Second worst, by the way, was the full size Chevy Blazer
>
>
> Man... Those Japanese cars from that same era, especially the Datsuns,
> rusted pretty easily and pretty badly.
Yup. The big difference was the steel. You could cut an american
steel body with just an ordinary hardened steel bit in a Dremel. The
darned Datsun steel was so hard you needed carbide bits. That
hardness was not a good thing...made them very brittle and a true
bitch to undent.
> RJ wrote:
>
>
>>In addition to the badly engineered aluminum engine, the Vega was the
>>worst rust bucket I ever saw.
>>
>>Second worst, by the way, was the full size Chevy Blazer
>
>
> Man... Those Japanese cars from that same era, especially the Datsuns,
> rusted pretty easily and pretty badly.
Yup. The big difference was the steel. You could cut an american
steel body with just an ordinary hardened steel bit in a Dremel. The
darned Datsun steel was so hard you needed carbide bits. That
hardness was not a good thing...made them very brittle and a true
bitch to undent.
#410
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Re: Detroit Vs Japan
Well, the 8-4-2 wasn't the best engine ever put into production. As
for the diesel, simply not strong enough bottom end for the crap most
drivers tried to do to them. Still not as dumb an idea as the early
911T that had an external oil filler...about where you'd expect to
find the gas tank filler.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III proclaimed:
> I don't know of any "soft" camshafts made by anyone.
> GM, shouldn't have made the nineteen to one, from the standard
> passenger car's 350" small block. They failed because people including
> the tanker truck drivers kept put gasoline into them.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Stephen Cowell wrote:
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>>Here's two... soft '80s Olds camshafts, and the conversion
>>diesels. Plenty more where that came from... now you can't
>>say 'never' again!
>>__
>>Steve
>>.
for the diesel, simply not strong enough bottom end for the crap most
drivers tried to do to them. Still not as dumb an idea as the early
911T that had an external oil filler...about where you'd expect to
find the gas tank filler.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III proclaimed:
> I don't know of any "soft" camshafts made by anyone.
> GM, shouldn't have made the nineteen to one, from the standard
> passenger car's 350" small block. They failed because people including
> the tanker truck drivers kept put gasoline into them.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Stephen Cowell wrote:
>
>>Here's two... soft '80s Olds camshafts, and the conversion
>>diesels. Plenty more where that came from... now you can't
>>say 'never' again!
>>__
>>Steve
>>.