D35c to Ford 8.8 Swap. Why bother?
10-24-2003, 01:29 PM
#11
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Re: D35c to Ford 8.8 Swap. Why bother?
"twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
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> There's some info. I didn't have. I thought the d44 and the 8.8 were
> pretty comparable. What makes the 8.8 stonger than the d44? Also, it
> this a logical conversion for a CJ with a 20 axle?
The key items that makes the 8.8 stronger are its larger diameter axle
shafts and larger ring & pinion gears. I would assume its axle housing is
stronger too. The 8.8 is a better conversion for a CJ/YJ because it's
easier to bolt up due to them all being leaf spring designs. The 8.8 needs
quite a bit more work (adding brackets for the control arms and trackbar) to
prepare it for a coil sprung TJ.
Jerry
>
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
> > That they're a c-clip design does not diminish the strength of the 8.8's
> > axle shaft which is stronger than that of the Dana 44. It's an old
wive's
> > tale propogated by those that are either naive or know nothing about how
a
> > c-clip axle works. Remember that the c-clip is inside the housing, on
the
> > other side of the splines that are held by the gear carrier. So when
the
> > shafts break, they break between the housing and the hub flange, not at
the
> > c-clip itself.
> >
> > The problem with c-clip axles is not with the c-clip itself, its that if
the
> > axle shaft does break, there is nothing left to hold the axle shaft and
> > wheel to the housing... except if there is a disk brake caliper which
will
> > at least hold the broken shaft from sliding out of the housing.
> >
> > So with a Dana 35c, the weakness is not with the c-clip itself, it's
with
> > the skinny axle shafts (weaker housing, smalller ring gear, etc.) and
that
> > the axle will slide out if the axle shaft breaks. The part where the
c-clip
> > goes doesn't break, that is protected by the gear carrier (case).
> >
> > So a Ford 8.8 is actually quite a bit stronger than a Dana 44, like the
> > recent Warn axle tests confirmed. In fact, Warn said the 8.8 was far
> > stronger than expected.
> >
> > Finally, the 8.8's c-clip eliminator kit is only designed for drag
racers
> > and the manufacturers of that kit strongly recommend against its use for
> > other applications.
> >
> > Jerry
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >
> > "GzrGlide" <GzrGlide02@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> > news:nl3mb.11221$0M6.15635@news1.mts.net...
> > I'm starting to do some research into changing the D35c axle to a Ford
8.8.
> > I'm looking at the 8.8 because it seems to be a very common swap for the
> > d35c on Tjs, because there's a ton of info out there on the net to do
the
> > swap and because I could probably get one fairly easily around here.
> >
> > But....I just read on a website that the 8.8 uses c-clips. So what's the
> > point of swapping it out. I thought the c-clips were the problem area in
the
> > d35c. Why would I want to go to the trouble of switchng to an 8.8 if it
> > still uses the c-clips.
> >
> > And can someone give me a detailed answer about how c-clip eliminators
work?
> >
> > Mike
> > 98 TJ SE
> > 3" Redneck Engineering Lift, 30 x 9.5 BFG ATs
> > A bunch of home-made stuff.
> >
> >
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
> 03 TJ Rubicon
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
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> There's some info. I didn't have. I thought the d44 and the 8.8 were
> pretty comparable. What makes the 8.8 stonger than the d44? Also, it
> this a logical conversion for a CJ with a 20 axle?
The key items that makes the 8.8 stronger are its larger diameter axle
shafts and larger ring & pinion gears. I would assume its axle housing is
stronger too. The 8.8 is a better conversion for a CJ/YJ because it's
easier to bolt up due to them all being leaf spring designs. The 8.8 needs
quite a bit more work (adding brackets for the control arms and trackbar) to
prepare it for a coil sprung TJ.
Jerry
>
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
> > That they're a c-clip design does not diminish the strength of the 8.8's
> > axle shaft which is stronger than that of the Dana 44. It's an old
wive's
> > tale propogated by those that are either naive or know nothing about how
a
> > c-clip axle works. Remember that the c-clip is inside the housing, on
the
> > other side of the splines that are held by the gear carrier. So when
the
> > shafts break, they break between the housing and the hub flange, not at
the
> > c-clip itself.
> >
> > The problem with c-clip axles is not with the c-clip itself, its that if
the
> > axle shaft does break, there is nothing left to hold the axle shaft and
> > wheel to the housing... except if there is a disk brake caliper which
will
> > at least hold the broken shaft from sliding out of the housing.
> >
> > So with a Dana 35c, the weakness is not with the c-clip itself, it's
with
> > the skinny axle shafts (weaker housing, smalller ring gear, etc.) and
that
> > the axle will slide out if the axle shaft breaks. The part where the
c-clip
> > goes doesn't break, that is protected by the gear carrier (case).
> >
> > So a Ford 8.8 is actually quite a bit stronger than a Dana 44, like the
> > recent Warn axle tests confirmed. In fact, Warn said the 8.8 was far
> > stronger than expected.
> >
> > Finally, the 8.8's c-clip eliminator kit is only designed for drag
racers
> > and the manufacturers of that kit strongly recommend against its use for
> > other applications.
> >
> > Jerry
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >
> > "GzrGlide" <GzrGlide02@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> > news:nl3mb.11221$0M6.15635@news1.mts.net...
> > I'm starting to do some research into changing the D35c axle to a Ford
8.8.
> > I'm looking at the 8.8 because it seems to be a very common swap for the
> > d35c on Tjs, because there's a ton of info out there on the net to do
the
> > swap and because I could probably get one fairly easily around here.
> >
> > But....I just read on a website that the 8.8 uses c-clips. So what's the
> > point of swapping it out. I thought the c-clips were the problem area in
the
> > d35c. Why would I want to go to the trouble of switchng to an 8.8 if it
> > still uses the c-clips.
> >
> > And can someone give me a detailed answer about how c-clip eliminators
work?
> >
> > Mike
> > 98 TJ SE
> > 3" Redneck Engineering Lift, 30 x 9.5 BFG ATs
> > A bunch of home-made stuff.
> >
> >
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
> 03 TJ Rubicon
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>
10-24-2003, 01:29 PM
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Re: D35c to Ford 8.8 Swap. Why bother?
"twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
news:DGamb.739$Md5.710@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com. ..
> There's some info. I didn't have. I thought the d44 and the 8.8 were
> pretty comparable. What makes the 8.8 stonger than the d44? Also, it
> this a logical conversion for a CJ with a 20 axle?
The key items that makes the 8.8 stronger are its larger diameter axle
shafts and larger ring & pinion gears. I would assume its axle housing is
stronger too. The 8.8 is a better conversion for a CJ/YJ because it's
easier to bolt up due to them all being leaf spring designs. The 8.8 needs
quite a bit more work (adding brackets for the control arms and trackbar) to
prepare it for a coil sprung TJ.
Jerry
>
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
> > That they're a c-clip design does not diminish the strength of the 8.8's
> > axle shaft which is stronger than that of the Dana 44. It's an old
wive's
> > tale propogated by those that are either naive or know nothing about how
a
> > c-clip axle works. Remember that the c-clip is inside the housing, on
the
> > other side of the splines that are held by the gear carrier. So when
the
> > shafts break, they break between the housing and the hub flange, not at
the
> > c-clip itself.
> >
> > The problem with c-clip axles is not with the c-clip itself, its that if
the
> > axle shaft does break, there is nothing left to hold the axle shaft and
> > wheel to the housing... except if there is a disk brake caliper which
will
> > at least hold the broken shaft from sliding out of the housing.
> >
> > So with a Dana 35c, the weakness is not with the c-clip itself, it's
with
> > the skinny axle shafts (weaker housing, smalller ring gear, etc.) and
that
> > the axle will slide out if the axle shaft breaks. The part where the
c-clip
> > goes doesn't break, that is protected by the gear carrier (case).
> >
> > So a Ford 8.8 is actually quite a bit stronger than a Dana 44, like the
> > recent Warn axle tests confirmed. In fact, Warn said the 8.8 was far
> > stronger than expected.
> >
> > Finally, the 8.8's c-clip eliminator kit is only designed for drag
racers
> > and the manufacturers of that kit strongly recommend against its use for
> > other applications.
> >
> > Jerry
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >
> > "GzrGlide" <GzrGlide02@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> > news:nl3mb.11221$0M6.15635@news1.mts.net...
> > I'm starting to do some research into changing the D35c axle to a Ford
8.8.
> > I'm looking at the 8.8 because it seems to be a very common swap for the
> > d35c on Tjs, because there's a ton of info out there on the net to do
the
> > swap and because I could probably get one fairly easily around here.
> >
> > But....I just read on a website that the 8.8 uses c-clips. So what's the
> > point of swapping it out. I thought the c-clips were the problem area in
the
> > d35c. Why would I want to go to the trouble of switchng to an 8.8 if it
> > still uses the c-clips.
> >
> > And can someone give me a detailed answer about how c-clip eliminators
work?
> >
> > Mike
> > 98 TJ SE
> > 3" Redneck Engineering Lift, 30 x 9.5 BFG ATs
> > A bunch of home-made stuff.
> >
> >
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
> 03 TJ Rubicon
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>
news:DGamb.739$Md5.710@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com. ..
> There's some info. I didn't have. I thought the d44 and the 8.8 were
> pretty comparable. What makes the 8.8 stonger than the d44? Also, it
> this a logical conversion for a CJ with a 20 axle?
The key items that makes the 8.8 stronger are its larger diameter axle
shafts and larger ring & pinion gears. I would assume its axle housing is
stronger too. The 8.8 is a better conversion for a CJ/YJ because it's
easier to bolt up due to them all being leaf spring designs. The 8.8 needs
quite a bit more work (adding brackets for the control arms and trackbar) to
prepare it for a coil sprung TJ.
Jerry
>
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
> > That they're a c-clip design does not diminish the strength of the 8.8's
> > axle shaft which is stronger than that of the Dana 44. It's an old
wive's
> > tale propogated by those that are either naive or know nothing about how
a
> > c-clip axle works. Remember that the c-clip is inside the housing, on
the
> > other side of the splines that are held by the gear carrier. So when
the
> > shafts break, they break between the housing and the hub flange, not at
the
> > c-clip itself.
> >
> > The problem with c-clip axles is not with the c-clip itself, its that if
the
> > axle shaft does break, there is nothing left to hold the axle shaft and
> > wheel to the housing... except if there is a disk brake caliper which
will
> > at least hold the broken shaft from sliding out of the housing.
> >
> > So with a Dana 35c, the weakness is not with the c-clip itself, it's
with
> > the skinny axle shafts (weaker housing, smalller ring gear, etc.) and
that
> > the axle will slide out if the axle shaft breaks. The part where the
c-clip
> > goes doesn't break, that is protected by the gear carrier (case).
> >
> > So a Ford 8.8 is actually quite a bit stronger than a Dana 44, like the
> > recent Warn axle tests confirmed. In fact, Warn said the 8.8 was far
> > stronger than expected.
> >
> > Finally, the 8.8's c-clip eliminator kit is only designed for drag
racers
> > and the manufacturers of that kit strongly recommend against its use for
> > other applications.
> >
> > Jerry
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >
> > "GzrGlide" <GzrGlide02@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> > news:nl3mb.11221$0M6.15635@news1.mts.net...
> > I'm starting to do some research into changing the D35c axle to a Ford
8.8.
> > I'm looking at the 8.8 because it seems to be a very common swap for the
> > d35c on Tjs, because there's a ton of info out there on the net to do
the
> > swap and because I could probably get one fairly easily around here.
> >
> > But....I just read on a website that the 8.8 uses c-clips. So what's the
> > point of swapping it out. I thought the c-clips were the problem area in
the
> > d35c. Why would I want to go to the trouble of switchng to an 8.8 if it
> > still uses the c-clips.
> >
> > And can someone give me a detailed answer about how c-clip eliminators
work?
> >
> > Mike
> > 98 TJ SE
> > 3" Redneck Engineering Lift, 30 x 9.5 BFG ATs
> > A bunch of home-made stuff.
> >
> >
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
> 03 TJ Rubicon
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>
10-24-2003, 01:29 PM
#13
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Re: D35c to Ford 8.8 Swap. Why bother?
"twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
news:DGamb.739$Md5.710@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com. ..
> There's some info. I didn't have. I thought the d44 and the 8.8 were
> pretty comparable. What makes the 8.8 stonger than the d44? Also, it
> this a logical conversion for a CJ with a 20 axle?
The key items that makes the 8.8 stronger are its larger diameter axle
shafts and larger ring & pinion gears. I would assume its axle housing is
stronger too. The 8.8 is a better conversion for a CJ/YJ because it's
easier to bolt up due to them all being leaf spring designs. The 8.8 needs
quite a bit more work (adding brackets for the control arms and trackbar) to
prepare it for a coil sprung TJ.
Jerry
>
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
> > That they're a c-clip design does not diminish the strength of the 8.8's
> > axle shaft which is stronger than that of the Dana 44. It's an old
wive's
> > tale propogated by those that are either naive or know nothing about how
a
> > c-clip axle works. Remember that the c-clip is inside the housing, on
the
> > other side of the splines that are held by the gear carrier. So when
the
> > shafts break, they break between the housing and the hub flange, not at
the
> > c-clip itself.
> >
> > The problem with c-clip axles is not with the c-clip itself, its that if
the
> > axle shaft does break, there is nothing left to hold the axle shaft and
> > wheel to the housing... except if there is a disk brake caliper which
will
> > at least hold the broken shaft from sliding out of the housing.
> >
> > So with a Dana 35c, the weakness is not with the c-clip itself, it's
with
> > the skinny axle shafts (weaker housing, smalller ring gear, etc.) and
that
> > the axle will slide out if the axle shaft breaks. The part where the
c-clip
> > goes doesn't break, that is protected by the gear carrier (case).
> >
> > So a Ford 8.8 is actually quite a bit stronger than a Dana 44, like the
> > recent Warn axle tests confirmed. In fact, Warn said the 8.8 was far
> > stronger than expected.
> >
> > Finally, the 8.8's c-clip eliminator kit is only designed for drag
racers
> > and the manufacturers of that kit strongly recommend against its use for
> > other applications.
> >
> > Jerry
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >
> > "GzrGlide" <GzrGlide02@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> > news:nl3mb.11221$0M6.15635@news1.mts.net...
> > I'm starting to do some research into changing the D35c axle to a Ford
8.8.
> > I'm looking at the 8.8 because it seems to be a very common swap for the
> > d35c on Tjs, because there's a ton of info out there on the net to do
the
> > swap and because I could probably get one fairly easily around here.
> >
> > But....I just read on a website that the 8.8 uses c-clips. So what's the
> > point of swapping it out. I thought the c-clips were the problem area in
the
> > d35c. Why would I want to go to the trouble of switchng to an 8.8 if it
> > still uses the c-clips.
> >
> > And can someone give me a detailed answer about how c-clip eliminators
work?
> >
> > Mike
> > 98 TJ SE
> > 3" Redneck Engineering Lift, 30 x 9.5 BFG ATs
> > A bunch of home-made stuff.
> >
> >
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
> 03 TJ Rubicon
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>
news:DGamb.739$Md5.710@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com. ..
> There's some info. I didn't have. I thought the d44 and the 8.8 were
> pretty comparable. What makes the 8.8 stonger than the d44? Also, it
> this a logical conversion for a CJ with a 20 axle?
The key items that makes the 8.8 stronger are its larger diameter axle
shafts and larger ring & pinion gears. I would assume its axle housing is
stronger too. The 8.8 is a better conversion for a CJ/YJ because it's
easier to bolt up due to them all being leaf spring designs. The 8.8 needs
quite a bit more work (adding brackets for the control arms and trackbar) to
prepare it for a coil sprung TJ.
Jerry
>
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
> > That they're a c-clip design does not diminish the strength of the 8.8's
> > axle shaft which is stronger than that of the Dana 44. It's an old
wive's
> > tale propogated by those that are either naive or know nothing about how
a
> > c-clip axle works. Remember that the c-clip is inside the housing, on
the
> > other side of the splines that are held by the gear carrier. So when
the
> > shafts break, they break between the housing and the hub flange, not at
the
> > c-clip itself.
> >
> > The problem with c-clip axles is not with the c-clip itself, its that if
the
> > axle shaft does break, there is nothing left to hold the axle shaft and
> > wheel to the housing... except if there is a disk brake caliper which
will
> > at least hold the broken shaft from sliding out of the housing.
> >
> > So with a Dana 35c, the weakness is not with the c-clip itself, it's
with
> > the skinny axle shafts (weaker housing, smalller ring gear, etc.) and
that
> > the axle will slide out if the axle shaft breaks. The part where the
c-clip
> > goes doesn't break, that is protected by the gear carrier (case).
> >
> > So a Ford 8.8 is actually quite a bit stronger than a Dana 44, like the
> > recent Warn axle tests confirmed. In fact, Warn said the 8.8 was far
> > stronger than expected.
> >
> > Finally, the 8.8's c-clip eliminator kit is only designed for drag
racers
> > and the manufacturers of that kit strongly recommend against its use for
> > other applications.
> >
> > Jerry
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >
> > "GzrGlide" <GzrGlide02@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> > news:nl3mb.11221$0M6.15635@news1.mts.net...
> > I'm starting to do some research into changing the D35c axle to a Ford
8.8.
> > I'm looking at the 8.8 because it seems to be a very common swap for the
> > d35c on Tjs, because there's a ton of info out there on the net to do
the
> > swap and because I could probably get one fairly easily around here.
> >
> > But....I just read on a website that the 8.8 uses c-clips. So what's the
> > point of swapping it out. I thought the c-clips were the problem area in
the
> > d35c. Why would I want to go to the trouble of switchng to an 8.8 if it
> > still uses the c-clips.
> >
> > And can someone give me a detailed answer about how c-clip eliminators
work?
> >
> > Mike
> > 98 TJ SE
> > 3" Redneck Engineering Lift, 30 x 9.5 BFG ATs
> > A bunch of home-made stuff.
> >
> >
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
> 03 TJ Rubicon
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>
10-24-2003, 02:44 PM
#14
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Re: D35c to Ford 8.8 Swap. Why bother?
GzrGlide wrote:
> I'm starting to do some research into changing the D35c axle to a Ford
> 8.8. I'm looking at the 8.8 because it seems to be a very common swap
> for the d35c on Tjs, because there's a ton of info out there on the net
> to do the swap and because I could probably get one fairly easily around
> here.
>
> But....I just read on a website that the 8.8 uses c-clips. So what's the
> point of swapping it out. I thought the c-clips were the problem area in
> the d35c. Why would I want to go to the trouble of switchng to an 8.8 if
> it still uses the c-clips.
>
> And can someone give me a detailed answer about how c-clip eliminators work?
>
> Mike
> 98 TJ SE
> 3" Redneck Engineering Lift, 30 x 9.5 BFG ATs
> A bunch of home-made stuff.
because they are 31 spline instead of 27.
im going to get rid of my NON C-CLIP dana 35 for one. and it will be an
upgrade, no question.. the C-CLIPS do not fail! the shafts of the 35 do.
> I'm starting to do some research into changing the D35c axle to a Ford
> 8.8. I'm looking at the 8.8 because it seems to be a very common swap
> for the d35c on Tjs, because there's a ton of info out there on the net
> to do the swap and because I could probably get one fairly easily around
> here.
>
> But....I just read on a website that the 8.8 uses c-clips. So what's the
> point of swapping it out. I thought the c-clips were the problem area in
> the d35c. Why would I want to go to the trouble of switchng to an 8.8 if
> it still uses the c-clips.
>
> And can someone give me a detailed answer about how c-clip eliminators work?
>
> Mike
> 98 TJ SE
> 3" Redneck Engineering Lift, 30 x 9.5 BFG ATs
> A bunch of home-made stuff.
because they are 31 spline instead of 27.
im going to get rid of my NON C-CLIP dana 35 for one. and it will be an
upgrade, no question.. the C-CLIPS do not fail! the shafts of the 35 do.
10-24-2003, 02:44 PM
#15
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: D35c to Ford 8.8 Swap. Why bother?
GzrGlide wrote:
> I'm starting to do some research into changing the D35c axle to a Ford
> 8.8. I'm looking at the 8.8 because it seems to be a very common swap
> for the d35c on Tjs, because there's a ton of info out there on the net
> to do the swap and because I could probably get one fairly easily around
> here.
>
> But....I just read on a website that the 8.8 uses c-clips. So what's the
> point of swapping it out. I thought the c-clips were the problem area in
> the d35c. Why would I want to go to the trouble of switchng to an 8.8 if
> it still uses the c-clips.
>
> And can someone give me a detailed answer about how c-clip eliminators work?
>
> Mike
> 98 TJ SE
> 3" Redneck Engineering Lift, 30 x 9.5 BFG ATs
> A bunch of home-made stuff.
because they are 31 spline instead of 27.
im going to get rid of my NON C-CLIP dana 35 for one. and it will be an
upgrade, no question.. the C-CLIPS do not fail! the shafts of the 35 do.
> I'm starting to do some research into changing the D35c axle to a Ford
> 8.8. I'm looking at the 8.8 because it seems to be a very common swap
> for the d35c on Tjs, because there's a ton of info out there on the net
> to do the swap and because I could probably get one fairly easily around
> here.
>
> But....I just read on a website that the 8.8 uses c-clips. So what's the
> point of swapping it out. I thought the c-clips were the problem area in
> the d35c. Why would I want to go to the trouble of switchng to an 8.8 if
> it still uses the c-clips.
>
> And can someone give me a detailed answer about how c-clip eliminators work?
>
> Mike
> 98 TJ SE
> 3" Redneck Engineering Lift, 30 x 9.5 BFG ATs
> A bunch of home-made stuff.
because they are 31 spline instead of 27.
im going to get rid of my NON C-CLIP dana 35 for one. and it will be an
upgrade, no question.. the C-CLIPS do not fail! the shafts of the 35 do.
10-24-2003, 02:44 PM
#16
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: D35c to Ford 8.8 Swap. Why bother?
GzrGlide wrote:
> I'm starting to do some research into changing the D35c axle to a Ford
> 8.8. I'm looking at the 8.8 because it seems to be a very common swap
> for the d35c on Tjs, because there's a ton of info out there on the net
> to do the swap and because I could probably get one fairly easily around
> here.
>
> But....I just read on a website that the 8.8 uses c-clips. So what's the
> point of swapping it out. I thought the c-clips were the problem area in
> the d35c. Why would I want to go to the trouble of switchng to an 8.8 if
> it still uses the c-clips.
>
> And can someone give me a detailed answer about how c-clip eliminators work?
>
> Mike
> 98 TJ SE
> 3" Redneck Engineering Lift, 30 x 9.5 BFG ATs
> A bunch of home-made stuff.
because they are 31 spline instead of 27.
im going to get rid of my NON C-CLIP dana 35 for one. and it will be an
upgrade, no question.. the C-CLIPS do not fail! the shafts of the 35 do.
> I'm starting to do some research into changing the D35c axle to a Ford
> 8.8. I'm looking at the 8.8 because it seems to be a very common swap
> for the d35c on Tjs, because there's a ton of info out there on the net
> to do the swap and because I could probably get one fairly easily around
> here.
>
> But....I just read on a website that the 8.8 uses c-clips. So what's the
> point of swapping it out. I thought the c-clips were the problem area in
> the d35c. Why would I want to go to the trouble of switchng to an 8.8 if
> it still uses the c-clips.
>
> And can someone give me a detailed answer about how c-clip eliminators work?
>
> Mike
> 98 TJ SE
> 3" Redneck Engineering Lift, 30 x 9.5 BFG ATs
> A bunch of home-made stuff.
because they are 31 spline instead of 27.
im going to get rid of my NON C-CLIP dana 35 for one. and it will be an
upgrade, no question.. the C-CLIPS do not fail! the shafts of the 35 do.
10-24-2003, 03:50 PM
#17
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Posts: n/a
Re: D35c to Ford 8.8 Swap. Why bother?
Thanks!
Jerry Bransford wrote:
> "twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:DGamb.739$Md5.710@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com. ..
>
>>There's some info. I didn't have. I thought the d44 and the 8.8 were
>>pretty comparable. What makes the 8.8 stonger than the d44? Also, it
>>this a logical conversion for a CJ with a 20 axle?
>
>
> The key items that makes the 8.8 stronger are its larger diameter axle
> shafts and larger ring & pinion gears. I would assume its axle housing is
> stronger too. The 8.8 is a better conversion for a CJ/YJ because it's
> easier to bolt up due to them all being leaf spring designs. The 8.8 needs
> quite a bit more work (adding brackets for the control arms and trackbar) to
> prepare it for a coil sprung TJ.
>
> Jerry
>
>>Jerry Bransford wrote:
>>
>>>That they're a c-clip design does not diminish the strength of the 8.8's
>>>axle shaft which is stronger than that of the Dana 44. It's an old
>
> wive's
>
>>>tale propogated by those that are either naive or know nothing about how
>
> a
>
>>>c-clip axle works. Remember that the c-clip is inside the housing, on
>
> the
>
>>>other side of the splines that are held by the gear carrier. So when
>
> the
>
>>>shafts break, they break between the housing and the hub flange, not at
>
> the
>
>>>c-clip itself.
>>>
>>>The problem with c-clip axles is not with the c-clip itself, its that if
>
> the
>
>>>axle shaft does break, there is nothing left to hold the axle shaft and
>>>wheel to the housing... except if there is a disk brake caliper which
>
> will
>
>>>at least hold the broken shaft from sliding out of the housing.
>>>
>>>So with a Dana 35c, the weakness is not with the c-clip itself, it's
>
> with
>
>>>the skinny axle shafts (weaker housing, smalller ring gear, etc.) and
>
> that
>
>>>the axle will slide out if the axle shaft breaks. The part where the
>
> c-clip
>
>>>goes doesn't break, that is protected by the gear carrier (case).
>>>
>>>So a Ford 8.8 is actually quite a bit stronger than a Dana 44, like the
>>>recent Warn axle tests confirmed. In fact, Warn said the 8.8 was far
>>>stronger than expected.
>>>
>>>Finally, the 8.8's c-clip eliminator kit is only designed for drag
>
> racers
>
>>>and the manufacturers of that kit strongly recommend against its use for
>>>other applications.
>>>
>>>Jerry
>>>--
>>>Jerry Bransford
>>>To email, remove 'me' from my email address
>>>KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>>>
>>>"GzrGlide" <GzrGlide02@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
>>>news:nl3mb.11221$0M6.15635@news1.mts.net...
>>>I'm starting to do some research into changing the D35c axle to a Ford
>
> 8.8.
>
>>>I'm looking at the 8.8 because it seems to be a very common swap for the
>>>d35c on Tjs, because there's a ton of info out there on the net to do
>
> the
>
>>>swap and because I could probably get one fairly easily around here.
>>>
>>>But....I just read on a website that the 8.8 uses c-clips. So what's the
>>>point of swapping it out. I thought the c-clips were the problem area in
>
> the
>
>>>d35c. Why would I want to go to the trouble of switchng to an 8.8 if it
>>>still uses the c-clips.
>>>
>>>And can someone give me a detailed answer about how c-clip eliminators
>
> work?
>
>>>Mike
>>>98 TJ SE
>>>3" Redneck Engineering Lift, 30 x 9.5 BFG ATs
>>>A bunch of home-made stuff.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>--
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>tw
>>03 TJ Rubicon
>>01 XJ Sport
>>
>>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
>>-- Dave Barry
>>
>>Pronunciation: 'jEp
>>Function: noun
>>Date: 1940
>>
>>Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
>>A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
>>1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
>>World War II.
>>
>>http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
>>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>
>
>
>
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________
Jerry Bransford wrote:
> "twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:DGamb.739$Md5.710@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com. ..
>
>>There's some info. I didn't have. I thought the d44 and the 8.8 were
>>pretty comparable. What makes the 8.8 stonger than the d44? Also, it
>>this a logical conversion for a CJ with a 20 axle?
>
>
> The key items that makes the 8.8 stronger are its larger diameter axle
> shafts and larger ring & pinion gears. I would assume its axle housing is
> stronger too. The 8.8 is a better conversion for a CJ/YJ because it's
> easier to bolt up due to them all being leaf spring designs. The 8.8 needs
> quite a bit more work (adding brackets for the control arms and trackbar) to
> prepare it for a coil sprung TJ.
>
> Jerry
>
>>Jerry Bransford wrote:
>>
>>>That they're a c-clip design does not diminish the strength of the 8.8's
>>>axle shaft which is stronger than that of the Dana 44. It's an old
>
> wive's
>
>>>tale propogated by those that are either naive or know nothing about how
>
> a
>
>>>c-clip axle works. Remember that the c-clip is inside the housing, on
>
> the
>
>>>other side of the splines that are held by the gear carrier. So when
>
> the
>
>>>shafts break, they break between the housing and the hub flange, not at
>
> the
>
>>>c-clip itself.
>>>
>>>The problem with c-clip axles is not with the c-clip itself, its that if
>
> the
>
>>>axle shaft does break, there is nothing left to hold the axle shaft and
>>>wheel to the housing... except if there is a disk brake caliper which
>
> will
>
>>>at least hold the broken shaft from sliding out of the housing.
>>>
>>>So with a Dana 35c, the weakness is not with the c-clip itself, it's
>
> with
>
>>>the skinny axle shafts (weaker housing, smalller ring gear, etc.) and
>
> that
>
>>>the axle will slide out if the axle shaft breaks. The part where the
>
> c-clip
>
>>>goes doesn't break, that is protected by the gear carrier (case).
>>>
>>>So a Ford 8.8 is actually quite a bit stronger than a Dana 44, like the
>>>recent Warn axle tests confirmed. In fact, Warn said the 8.8 was far
>>>stronger than expected.
>>>
>>>Finally, the 8.8's c-clip eliminator kit is only designed for drag
>
> racers
>
>>>and the manufacturers of that kit strongly recommend against its use for
>>>other applications.
>>>
>>>Jerry
>>>--
>>>Jerry Bransford
>>>To email, remove 'me' from my email address
>>>KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>>>
>>>"GzrGlide" <GzrGlide02@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
>>>news:nl3mb.11221$0M6.15635@news1.mts.net...
>>>I'm starting to do some research into changing the D35c axle to a Ford
>
> 8.8.
>
>>>I'm looking at the 8.8 because it seems to be a very common swap for the
>>>d35c on Tjs, because there's a ton of info out there on the net to do
>
> the
>
>>>swap and because I could probably get one fairly easily around here.
>>>
>>>But....I just read on a website that the 8.8 uses c-clips. So what's the
>>>point of swapping it out. I thought the c-clips were the problem area in
>
> the
>
>>>d35c. Why would I want to go to the trouble of switchng to an 8.8 if it
>>>still uses the c-clips.
>>>
>>>And can someone give me a detailed answer about how c-clip eliminators
>
> work?
>
>>>Mike
>>>98 TJ SE
>>>3" Redneck Engineering Lift, 30 x 9.5 BFG ATs
>>>A bunch of home-made stuff.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>--
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>tw
>>03 TJ Rubicon
>>01 XJ Sport
>>
>>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
>>-- Dave Barry
>>
>>Pronunciation: 'jEp
>>Function: noun
>>Date: 1940
>>
>>Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
>>A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
>>1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
>>World War II.
>>
>>http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
>>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>
>
>
>
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________
10-24-2003, 03:50 PM
#18
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Posts: n/a
Re: D35c to Ford 8.8 Swap. Why bother?
Thanks!
Jerry Bransford wrote:
> "twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:DGamb.739$Md5.710@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com. ..
>
>>There's some info. I didn't have. I thought the d44 and the 8.8 were
>>pretty comparable. What makes the 8.8 stonger than the d44? Also, it
>>this a logical conversion for a CJ with a 20 axle?
>
>
> The key items that makes the 8.8 stronger are its larger diameter axle
> shafts and larger ring & pinion gears. I would assume its axle housing is
> stronger too. The 8.8 is a better conversion for a CJ/YJ because it's
> easier to bolt up due to them all being leaf spring designs. The 8.8 needs
> quite a bit more work (adding brackets for the control arms and trackbar) to
> prepare it for a coil sprung TJ.
>
> Jerry
>
>>Jerry Bransford wrote:
>>
>>>That they're a c-clip design does not diminish the strength of the 8.8's
>>>axle shaft which is stronger than that of the Dana 44. It's an old
>
> wive's
>
>>>tale propogated by those that are either naive or know nothing about how
>
> a
>
>>>c-clip axle works. Remember that the c-clip is inside the housing, on
>
> the
>
>>>other side of the splines that are held by the gear carrier. So when
>
> the
>
>>>shafts break, they break between the housing and the hub flange, not at
>
> the
>
>>>c-clip itself.
>>>
>>>The problem with c-clip axles is not with the c-clip itself, its that if
>
> the
>
>>>axle shaft does break, there is nothing left to hold the axle shaft and
>>>wheel to the housing... except if there is a disk brake caliper which
>
> will
>
>>>at least hold the broken shaft from sliding out of the housing.
>>>
>>>So with a Dana 35c, the weakness is not with the c-clip itself, it's
>
> with
>
>>>the skinny axle shafts (weaker housing, smalller ring gear, etc.) and
>
> that
>
>>>the axle will slide out if the axle shaft breaks. The part where the
>
> c-clip
>
>>>goes doesn't break, that is protected by the gear carrier (case).
>>>
>>>So a Ford 8.8 is actually quite a bit stronger than a Dana 44, like the
>>>recent Warn axle tests confirmed. In fact, Warn said the 8.8 was far
>>>stronger than expected.
>>>
>>>Finally, the 8.8's c-clip eliminator kit is only designed for drag
>
> racers
>
>>>and the manufacturers of that kit strongly recommend against its use for
>>>other applications.
>>>
>>>Jerry
>>>--
>>>Jerry Bransford
>>>To email, remove 'me' from my email address
>>>KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>>>
>>>"GzrGlide" <GzrGlide02@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
>>>news:nl3mb.11221$0M6.15635@news1.mts.net...
>>>I'm starting to do some research into changing the D35c axle to a Ford
>
> 8.8.
>
>>>I'm looking at the 8.8 because it seems to be a very common swap for the
>>>d35c on Tjs, because there's a ton of info out there on the net to do
>
> the
>
>>>swap and because I could probably get one fairly easily around here.
>>>
>>>But....I just read on a website that the 8.8 uses c-clips. So what's the
>>>point of swapping it out. I thought the c-clips were the problem area in
>
> the
>
>>>d35c. Why would I want to go to the trouble of switchng to an 8.8 if it
>>>still uses the c-clips.
>>>
>>>And can someone give me a detailed answer about how c-clip eliminators
>
> work?
>
>>>Mike
>>>98 TJ SE
>>>3" Redneck Engineering Lift, 30 x 9.5 BFG ATs
>>>A bunch of home-made stuff.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>--
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>tw
>>03 TJ Rubicon
>>01 XJ Sport
>>
>>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
>>-- Dave Barry
>>
>>Pronunciation: 'jEp
>>Function: noun
>>Date: 1940
>>
>>Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
>>A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
>>1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
>>World War II.
>>
>>http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
>>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>
>
>
>
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________
Jerry Bransford wrote:
> "twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:DGamb.739$Md5.710@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com. ..
>
>>There's some info. I didn't have. I thought the d44 and the 8.8 were
>>pretty comparable. What makes the 8.8 stonger than the d44? Also, it
>>this a logical conversion for a CJ with a 20 axle?
>
>
> The key items that makes the 8.8 stronger are its larger diameter axle
> shafts and larger ring & pinion gears. I would assume its axle housing is
> stronger too. The 8.8 is a better conversion for a CJ/YJ because it's
> easier to bolt up due to them all being leaf spring designs. The 8.8 needs
> quite a bit more work (adding brackets for the control arms and trackbar) to
> prepare it for a coil sprung TJ.
>
> Jerry
>
>>Jerry Bransford wrote:
>>
>>>That they're a c-clip design does not diminish the strength of the 8.8's
>>>axle shaft which is stronger than that of the Dana 44. It's an old
>
> wive's
>
>>>tale propogated by those that are either naive or know nothing about how
>
> a
>
>>>c-clip axle works. Remember that the c-clip is inside the housing, on
>
> the
>
>>>other side of the splines that are held by the gear carrier. So when
>
> the
>
>>>shafts break, they break between the housing and the hub flange, not at
>
> the
>
>>>c-clip itself.
>>>
>>>The problem with c-clip axles is not with the c-clip itself, its that if
>
> the
>
>>>axle shaft does break, there is nothing left to hold the axle shaft and
>>>wheel to the housing... except if there is a disk brake caliper which
>
> will
>
>>>at least hold the broken shaft from sliding out of the housing.
>>>
>>>So with a Dana 35c, the weakness is not with the c-clip itself, it's
>
> with
>
>>>the skinny axle shafts (weaker housing, smalller ring gear, etc.) and
>
> that
>
>>>the axle will slide out if the axle shaft breaks. The part where the
>
> c-clip
>
>>>goes doesn't break, that is protected by the gear carrier (case).
>>>
>>>So a Ford 8.8 is actually quite a bit stronger than a Dana 44, like the
>>>recent Warn axle tests confirmed. In fact, Warn said the 8.8 was far
>>>stronger than expected.
>>>
>>>Finally, the 8.8's c-clip eliminator kit is only designed for drag
>
> racers
>
>>>and the manufacturers of that kit strongly recommend against its use for
>>>other applications.
>>>
>>>Jerry
>>>--
>>>Jerry Bransford
>>>To email, remove 'me' from my email address
>>>KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>>>
>>>"GzrGlide" <GzrGlide02@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
>>>news:nl3mb.11221$0M6.15635@news1.mts.net...
>>>I'm starting to do some research into changing the D35c axle to a Ford
>
> 8.8.
>
>>>I'm looking at the 8.8 because it seems to be a very common swap for the
>>>d35c on Tjs, because there's a ton of info out there on the net to do
>
> the
>
>>>swap and because I could probably get one fairly easily around here.
>>>
>>>But....I just read on a website that the 8.8 uses c-clips. So what's the
>>>point of swapping it out. I thought the c-clips were the problem area in
>
> the
>
>>>d35c. Why would I want to go to the trouble of switchng to an 8.8 if it
>>>still uses the c-clips.
>>>
>>>And can someone give me a detailed answer about how c-clip eliminators
>
> work?
>
>>>Mike
>>>98 TJ SE
>>>3" Redneck Engineering Lift, 30 x 9.5 BFG ATs
>>>A bunch of home-made stuff.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>--
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>tw
>>03 TJ Rubicon
>>01 XJ Sport
>>
>>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
>>-- Dave Barry
>>
>>Pronunciation: 'jEp
>>Function: noun
>>Date: 1940
>>
>>Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
>>A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
>>1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
>>World War II.
>>
>>http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
>>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>
>
>
>
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
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10-24-2003, 03:50 PM
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Re: D35c to Ford 8.8 Swap. Why bother?
Thanks!
Jerry Bransford wrote:
> "twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:DGamb.739$Md5.710@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com. ..
>
>>There's some info. I didn't have. I thought the d44 and the 8.8 were
>>pretty comparable. What makes the 8.8 stonger than the d44? Also, it
>>this a logical conversion for a CJ with a 20 axle?
>
>
> The key items that makes the 8.8 stronger are its larger diameter axle
> shafts and larger ring & pinion gears. I would assume its axle housing is
> stronger too. The 8.8 is a better conversion for a CJ/YJ because it's
> easier to bolt up due to them all being leaf spring designs. The 8.8 needs
> quite a bit more work (adding brackets for the control arms and trackbar) to
> prepare it for a coil sprung TJ.
>
> Jerry
>
>>Jerry Bransford wrote:
>>
>>>That they're a c-clip design does not diminish the strength of the 8.8's
>>>axle shaft which is stronger than that of the Dana 44. It's an old
>
> wive's
>
>>>tale propogated by those that are either naive or know nothing about how
>
> a
>
>>>c-clip axle works. Remember that the c-clip is inside the housing, on
>
> the
>
>>>other side of the splines that are held by the gear carrier. So when
>
> the
>
>>>shafts break, they break between the housing and the hub flange, not at
>
> the
>
>>>c-clip itself.
>>>
>>>The problem with c-clip axles is not with the c-clip itself, its that if
>
> the
>
>>>axle shaft does break, there is nothing left to hold the axle shaft and
>>>wheel to the housing... except if there is a disk brake caliper which
>
> will
>
>>>at least hold the broken shaft from sliding out of the housing.
>>>
>>>So with a Dana 35c, the weakness is not with the c-clip itself, it's
>
> with
>
>>>the skinny axle shafts (weaker housing, smalller ring gear, etc.) and
>
> that
>
>>>the axle will slide out if the axle shaft breaks. The part where the
>
> c-clip
>
>>>goes doesn't break, that is protected by the gear carrier (case).
>>>
>>>So a Ford 8.8 is actually quite a bit stronger than a Dana 44, like the
>>>recent Warn axle tests confirmed. In fact, Warn said the 8.8 was far
>>>stronger than expected.
>>>
>>>Finally, the 8.8's c-clip eliminator kit is only designed for drag
>
> racers
>
>>>and the manufacturers of that kit strongly recommend against its use for
>>>other applications.
>>>
>>>Jerry
>>>--
>>>Jerry Bransford
>>>To email, remove 'me' from my email address
>>>KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>>>
>>>"GzrGlide" <GzrGlide02@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
>>>news:nl3mb.11221$0M6.15635@news1.mts.net...
>>>I'm starting to do some research into changing the D35c axle to a Ford
>
> 8.8.
>
>>>I'm looking at the 8.8 because it seems to be a very common swap for the
>>>d35c on Tjs, because there's a ton of info out there on the net to do
>
> the
>
>>>swap and because I could probably get one fairly easily around here.
>>>
>>>But....I just read on a website that the 8.8 uses c-clips. So what's the
>>>point of swapping it out. I thought the c-clips were the problem area in
>
> the
>
>>>d35c. Why would I want to go to the trouble of switchng to an 8.8 if it
>>>still uses the c-clips.
>>>
>>>And can someone give me a detailed answer about how c-clip eliminators
>
> work?
>
>>>Mike
>>>98 TJ SE
>>>3" Redneck Engineering Lift, 30 x 9.5 BFG ATs
>>>A bunch of home-made stuff.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>--
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>tw
>>03 TJ Rubicon
>>01 XJ Sport
>>
>>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
>>-- Dave Barry
>>
>>Pronunciation: 'jEp
>>Function: noun
>>Date: 1940
>>
>>Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
>>A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
>>1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
>>World War II.
>>
>>http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
>>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>
>
>
>
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________
Jerry Bransford wrote:
> "twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:DGamb.739$Md5.710@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com. ..
>
>>There's some info. I didn't have. I thought the d44 and the 8.8 were
>>pretty comparable. What makes the 8.8 stonger than the d44? Also, it
>>this a logical conversion for a CJ with a 20 axle?
>
>
> The key items that makes the 8.8 stronger are its larger diameter axle
> shafts and larger ring & pinion gears. I would assume its axle housing is
> stronger too. The 8.8 is a better conversion for a CJ/YJ because it's
> easier to bolt up due to them all being leaf spring designs. The 8.8 needs
> quite a bit more work (adding brackets for the control arms and trackbar) to
> prepare it for a coil sprung TJ.
>
> Jerry
>
>>Jerry Bransford wrote:
>>
>>>That they're a c-clip design does not diminish the strength of the 8.8's
>>>axle shaft which is stronger than that of the Dana 44. It's an old
>
> wive's
>
>>>tale propogated by those that are either naive or know nothing about how
>
> a
>
>>>c-clip axle works. Remember that the c-clip is inside the housing, on
>
> the
>
>>>other side of the splines that are held by the gear carrier. So when
>
> the
>
>>>shafts break, they break between the housing and the hub flange, not at
>
> the
>
>>>c-clip itself.
>>>
>>>The problem with c-clip axles is not with the c-clip itself, its that if
>
> the
>
>>>axle shaft does break, there is nothing left to hold the axle shaft and
>>>wheel to the housing... except if there is a disk brake caliper which
>
> will
>
>>>at least hold the broken shaft from sliding out of the housing.
>>>
>>>So with a Dana 35c, the weakness is not with the c-clip itself, it's
>
> with
>
>>>the skinny axle shafts (weaker housing, smalller ring gear, etc.) and
>
> that
>
>>>the axle will slide out if the axle shaft breaks. The part where the
>
> c-clip
>
>>>goes doesn't break, that is protected by the gear carrier (case).
>>>
>>>So a Ford 8.8 is actually quite a bit stronger than a Dana 44, like the
>>>recent Warn axle tests confirmed. In fact, Warn said the 8.8 was far
>>>stronger than expected.
>>>
>>>Finally, the 8.8's c-clip eliminator kit is only designed for drag
>
> racers
>
>>>and the manufacturers of that kit strongly recommend against its use for
>>>other applications.
>>>
>>>Jerry
>>>--
>>>Jerry Bransford
>>>To email, remove 'me' from my email address
>>>KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>>>
>>>"GzrGlide" <GzrGlide02@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
>>>news:nl3mb.11221$0M6.15635@news1.mts.net...
>>>I'm starting to do some research into changing the D35c axle to a Ford
>
> 8.8.
>
>>>I'm looking at the 8.8 because it seems to be a very common swap for the
>>>d35c on Tjs, because there's a ton of info out there on the net to do
>
> the
>
>>>swap and because I could probably get one fairly easily around here.
>>>
>>>But....I just read on a website that the 8.8 uses c-clips. So what's the
>>>point of swapping it out. I thought the c-clips were the problem area in
>
> the
>
>>>d35c. Why would I want to go to the trouble of switchng to an 8.8 if it
>>>still uses the c-clips.
>>>
>>>And can someone give me a detailed answer about how c-clip eliminators
>
> work?
>
>>>Mike
>>>98 TJ SE
>>>3" Redneck Engineering Lift, 30 x 9.5 BFG ATs
>>>A bunch of home-made stuff.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>--
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>tw
>>03 TJ Rubicon
>>01 XJ Sport
>>
>>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
>>-- Dave Barry
>>
>>Pronunciation: 'jEp
>>Function: noun
>>Date: 1940
>>
>>Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
>>A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
>>1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
>>World War II.
>>
>>http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
>>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>
>
>
>
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
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10-24-2003, 03:51 PM
#20
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Re: D35c to Ford 8.8 Swap. Why bother?
The AMC 20 is stronger than the Dana 44, once like the 44, they
have the one piece upgrade:
http://www.ring-pinion.com/tech/tech.asp?page=g0898
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twaldron wrote:
>
> There's some info. I didn't have. I thought the d44 and the 8.8 were
> pretty comparable. What makes the 8.8 stonger than the d44? Also, it
> this a logical conversion for a CJ with a 20 axle?
have the one piece upgrade:
http://www.ring-pinion.com/tech/tech.asp?page=g0898
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
twaldron wrote:
>
> There's some info. I didn't have. I thought the d44 and the 8.8 were
> pretty comparable. What makes the 8.8 stonger than the d44? Also, it
> this a logical conversion for a CJ with a 20 axle?
