Matt Macchiarolo

The heater core went in my car in college, all of a sudden there was fog on
the inside of the car...

"Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
news:45798ed2$0$3478$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> In 1989 Chevrolet put the evaporator in the engine compartment. Don't
> know
> whether they still do that. Still, replacing the heater core was bad
> enough. The first signs that it is going, are that the defroster takes a
> long time to take effect, and a funny smell. Green sounds like the way to
> go then.
>
> Earle
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:9e586$45792a3e$422afc51$13501@FUSE.NET...
>> If you want to be on the safe side the Zerex Green will cover your GM and
>> Jeep.
>>
>> The Zerex Green is a 5 year/100k formula..... I'm not so sure about the 5
>> year part...... but then Ford toward the end of the green era was saying
>> 4
>> years so maybe....
>>
>> I plan on doing mine at 4 years.... just to be on the safe side as I
>> would
>> rather be safe than sorry.
>>
>> Add to that if the corrosion takes place in the heater core rather than
> the
>> radiator the whole dashboard had to come out and the AC discharged.......
> If
>> $20 worth of coolant can save me $1000 in labor it sounds like a good
>> investment.
>>
>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
>> news:4578f36c$0$3518$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>> > Muchas gracias. So you're saying that G-05 is actually better than
>> > IAT?
>> > Cool.
>> >
>> > Earle
>> >
>> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> > news:cab74$4578d71a$422afc51$21307@FUSE.NET...
>> >> DC says you can use G-05 in its vehicles that came from the factory
> with
>> > IAT
>> >> Green coolant.... it is the current suggestion to upgrade as the new
>> > coolant
>> >> has better corrosion protection.
>> >>
>> >> If you would like to stay with Green it is still available in Zerex
>> > Original
>> >> brand in the white jug.
>> >>
>> >> I would not put DexCool in any vehicle that did not come from the
> factory
>> >> with it.....there are too many questions about its side effects.....
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:457834c3$0$3508$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>> >> > This is like Catch-22. I am not so worried about meeting the OEM
>> > warranty
>> >> > requirements for a 1989 Suburban and a 1995 Wrangler. I don't think
>> > that
>> >> > I
>> >> > will be putting in warranty claims any time soon. In both cases the
>> >> > coolant
>> >> > specified by the vehicle manufacturer appears to be IAT, like it
>> >> > says
>> >> > in
>> >> > the
>> >> > owner's manual, żno?
>> >> >
>> >> > It appears that the reason for the new coolants, is that the
>> > manufacturers
>> >> > decided to start building engine components out of pot metal. :o(
>> >> > Even
>> >> > the
>> >> > Honda Civic that I have used IAT from the factory. Now they have a
>> >> > propietary formula too.
>> >> >
>> >> > Heh, Outatime says that the universal stuff that I looked at in
> Walmart
>> > is
>> >> > the same as Dexcool.
>> >> >
>> >> > Earle
>> >> >
>> >> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> >> > news:aa57f$45779d64$422afc51$1785@FUSE.NET...
>> >> >> ...The issue with universal coolants is that a single formula
>> >> >> cannot
>> > meet
>> >> >> the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants.
> If
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT
>> >> >> specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM
> HOAT
>> >> >> specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid
>> >> >> technology
>> >> >> ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications.
>> >> > Consequently,
>> >> >> some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a
> universal
>> >> >> coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM
>> >> >> specifications. This means distributors must offer three different
>> >> > coolants
>> >> >> to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the
>> >> >> coolant
>> > may
>> >> > not
>> >> >> satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest
>> >> > recommendation
>> >> >> is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle
>> >> >> manufacturer....
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >
> http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5
>> >> >>
>> >> >> FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT
>> >> >> (DexCool),
>> > and
>> >> >> HOAT (G-05)
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>> >> >> > "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> > news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net...
>> >> >> >> Earle Horton wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl
>> >> > hexanoate,
>> >> >> > and
>> >> >> >> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic
>> >> >> >> > chemistry
>> > that
>> >> >> > "-oate"
>> >> >> >> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon
> can
>> >> >> >> > tell
>> >> >> > you,
>> >> >> >> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super
>> >> >> >> > TECH,
>> > made
>> >> >> >> > for
>> >> >> >> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest
> price
>> > in
>> >> > the
>> >> >> >> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was
>> >> >> >> > writing
>> >> >> > down
>> >> >> >> > the ingredients.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > No mention of mule **** or sweat shops on the container. ;^)
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the
>> >> >> >> OAT
>> >> >> >> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the
>> >> >> >> ever-popular
>> >> >> >> absence of silicates and phosphates.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If
>> >> >> >> you
>> > put
>> >> >> >> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled
>> > 3-yr.
>> >> >> >> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and
>> >> >> > "compatible
>> >> > with
>> >> >> > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the
> Zerex
>> >> > stuff,
>> >> >> > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of
>> >> >> > changing
>> >> > the
>> >> >> > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the
> green
>> >> >> > stuff,
>> >> >> > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze,
> except
>> >> >> > for
>> >> >> > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green
>> >> >> > stuff
>> > and
>> >> >> > a
>> >> >> > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Thanks.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Earle
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Matt Macchiarolo

The heater core went in my car in college, all of a sudden there was fog on
the inside of the car...

"Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
news:45798ed2$0$3478$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> In 1989 Chevrolet put the evaporator in the engine compartment. Don't
> know
> whether they still do that. Still, replacing the heater core was bad
> enough. The first signs that it is going, are that the defroster takes a
> long time to take effect, and a funny smell. Green sounds like the way to
> go then.
>
> Earle
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:9e586$45792a3e$422afc51$13501@FUSE.NET...
>> If you want to be on the safe side the Zerex Green will cover your GM and
>> Jeep.
>>
>> The Zerex Green is a 5 year/100k formula..... I'm not so sure about the 5
>> year part...... but then Ford toward the end of the green era was saying
>> 4
>> years so maybe....
>>
>> I plan on doing mine at 4 years.... just to be on the safe side as I
>> would
>> rather be safe than sorry.
>>
>> Add to that if the corrosion takes place in the heater core rather than
> the
>> radiator the whole dashboard had to come out and the AC discharged.......
> If
>> $20 worth of coolant can save me $1000 in labor it sounds like a good
>> investment.
>>
>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
>> news:4578f36c$0$3518$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>> > Muchas gracias. So you're saying that G-05 is actually better than
>> > IAT?
>> > Cool.
>> >
>> > Earle
>> >
>> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> > news:cab74$4578d71a$422afc51$21307@FUSE.NET...
>> >> DC says you can use G-05 in its vehicles that came from the factory
> with
>> > IAT
>> >> Green coolant.... it is the current suggestion to upgrade as the new
>> > coolant
>> >> has better corrosion protection.
>> >>
>> >> If you would like to stay with Green it is still available in Zerex
>> > Original
>> >> brand in the white jug.
>> >>
>> >> I would not put DexCool in any vehicle that did not come from the
> factory
>> >> with it.....there are too many questions about its side effects.....
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:457834c3$0$3508$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>> >> > This is like Catch-22. I am not so worried about meeting the OEM
>> > warranty
>> >> > requirements for a 1989 Suburban and a 1995 Wrangler. I don't think
>> > that
>> >> > I
>> >> > will be putting in warranty claims any time soon. In both cases the
>> >> > coolant
>> >> > specified by the vehicle manufacturer appears to be IAT, like it
>> >> > says
>> >> > in
>> >> > the
>> >> > owner's manual, żno?
>> >> >
>> >> > It appears that the reason for the new coolants, is that the
>> > manufacturers
>> >> > decided to start building engine components out of pot metal. :o(
>> >> > Even
>> >> > the
>> >> > Honda Civic that I have used IAT from the factory. Now they have a
>> >> > propietary formula too.
>> >> >
>> >> > Heh, Outatime says that the universal stuff that I looked at in
> Walmart
>> > is
>> >> > the same as Dexcool.
>> >> >
>> >> > Earle
>> >> >
>> >> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> >> > news:aa57f$45779d64$422afc51$1785@FUSE.NET...
>> >> >> ...The issue with universal coolants is that a single formula
>> >> >> cannot
>> > meet
>> >> >> the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants.
> If
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT
>> >> >> specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM
> HOAT
>> >> >> specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid
>> >> >> technology
>> >> >> ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications.
>> >> > Consequently,
>> >> >> some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a
> universal
>> >> >> coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM
>> >> >> specifications. This means distributors must offer three different
>> >> > coolants
>> >> >> to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the
>> >> >> coolant
>> > may
>> >> > not
>> >> >> satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest
>> >> > recommendation
>> >> >> is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle
>> >> >> manufacturer....
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >
> http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5
>> >> >>
>> >> >> FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT
>> >> >> (DexCool),
>> > and
>> >> >> HOAT (G-05)
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>> >> >> > "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> > news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net...
>> >> >> >> Earle Horton wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl
>> >> > hexanoate,
>> >> >> > and
>> >> >> >> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic
>> >> >> >> > chemistry
>> > that
>> >> >> > "-oate"
>> >> >> >> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon
> can
>> >> >> >> > tell
>> >> >> > you,
>> >> >> >> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super
>> >> >> >> > TECH,
>> > made
>> >> >> >> > for
>> >> >> >> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest
> price
>> > in
>> >> > the
>> >> >> >> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was
>> >> >> >> > writing
>> >> >> > down
>> >> >> >> > the ingredients.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > No mention of mule **** or sweat shops on the container. ;^)
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the
>> >> >> >> OAT
>> >> >> >> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the
>> >> >> >> ever-popular
>> >> >> >> absence of silicates and phosphates.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If
>> >> >> >> you
>> > put
>> >> >> >> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled
>> > 3-yr.
>> >> >> >> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and
>> >> >> > "compatible
>> >> > with
>> >> >> > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the
> Zerex
>> >> > stuff,
>> >> >> > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of
>> >> >> > changing
>> >> > the
>> >> >> > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the
> green
>> >> >> > stuff,
>> >> >> > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze,
> except
>> >> >> > for
>> >> >> > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green
>> >> >> > stuff
>> > and
>> >> >> > a
>> >> >> > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Thanks.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Earle
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Outatime

Earle Horton wrote:

> Hope the spam bots don't figure it out. I have enough already.
>
> Thanks!

No sweat, Earle - it's on the way. I wish the automotive world would
get their collective 'tish' together and agree on ONE standard.

Outatime

Earle Horton wrote:

> Hope the spam bots don't figure it out. I have enough already.
>
> Thanks!

No sweat, Earle - it's on the way. I wish the automotive world would
get their collective 'tish' together and agree on ONE standard.

Outatime

Earle Horton wrote:

> Hope the spam bots don't figure it out. I have enough already.
>
> Thanks!

No sweat, Earle - it's on the way. I wish the automotive world would
get their collective 'tish' together and agree on ONE standard.

Outatime

billy ray wrote:

> I would like it also...
>
> Thanks

It's on the way, and you're very welcome.

Outatime

billy ray wrote:

> I would like it also...
>
> Thanks

It's on the way, and you're very welcome.

Outatime

billy ray wrote:

> I would like it also...
>
> Thanks

It's on the way, and you're very welcome.

Outatime

Carl wrote:

> Me too, please. Carlsaiyed at hotmail dot com.

It's on the way to you now, Carl. Good reading.

Outatime

Carl wrote:

> Me too, please. Carlsaiyed at hotmail dot com.

It's on the way to you now, Carl. Good reading.