So all of you folks that change your own coolant - what do you do with the
old stuff?
Tomes

"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:9e586$45792a3e$422afc51$13501@FUSE.NET...
> If you want to be on the safe side the Zerex Green will cover your GM and
> Jeep.
>
> The Zerex Green is a 5 year/100k formula..... I'm not so sure about the 5
> year part...... but then Ford toward the end of the green era was saying 4
> years so maybe....
>
> I plan on doing mine at 4 years.... just to be on the safe side as I would
> rather be safe than sorry.
>
> Add to that if the corrosion takes place in the heater core rather than
> the radiator the whole dashboard had to come out and the AC
> discharged....... If $20 worth of coolant can save me $1000 in labor it
> sounds like a good investment.
>
> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:4578f36c$0$3518$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>> Muchas gracias. So you're saying that G-05 is actually better than IAT?
>> Cool.
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> news:cab74$4578d71a$422afc51$21307@FUSE.NET...
>>> DC says you can use G-05 in its vehicles that came from the factory with
>> IAT
>>> Green coolant.... it is the current suggestion to upgrade as the new
>> coolant
>>> has better corrosion protection.
>>>
>>> If you would like to stay with Green it is still available in Zerex
>> Original
>>> brand in the white jug.
>>>
>>> I would not put DexCool in any vehicle that did not come from the
>>> factory
>>> with it.....there are too many questions about its side effects.....
>>>
>>>
>>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
>>> news:457834c3$0$3508$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>>> > This is like Catch-22. I am not so worried about meeting the OEM
>> warranty
>>> > requirements for a 1989 Suburban and a 1995 Wrangler. I don't think
>> that
>>> > I
>>> > will be putting in warranty claims any time soon. In both cases the
>>> > coolant
>>> > specified by the vehicle manufacturer appears to be IAT, like it says
>>> > in
>>> > the
>>> > owner's manual, żno?
>>> >
>>> > It appears that the reason for the new coolants, is that the
>> manufacturers
>>> > decided to start building engine components out of pot metal. :o(
>>> > Even
>>> > the
>>> > Honda Civic that I have used IAT from the factory. Now they have a
>>> > propietary formula too.
>>> >
>>> > Heh, Outatime says that the universal stuff that I looked at in
>>> > Walmart
>> is
>>> > the same as Dexcool.
>>> >
>>> > Earle
>>> >
>>> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>>> > news:aa57f$45779d64$422afc51$1785@FUSE.NET...
>>> >> ...The issue with universal coolants is that a single formula cannot
>> meet
>>> >> the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants. If
>>> >> a
>>> >> universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT
>>> >> specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM
>>> >> HOAT
>>> >> specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid
>>> >> technology
>>> >> ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications.
>>> > Consequently,
>>> >> some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a universal
>>> >> coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM
>>> >> specifications. This means distributors must offer three different
>>> > coolants
>>> >> to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the coolant
>> may
>>> > not
>>> >> satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest
>>> > recommendation
>>> >> is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle
>>> >> manufacturer....
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>> http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5
>>> >>
>>> >> FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT (DexCool),
>> and
>>> >> HOAT (G-05)
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
>>> >> news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>>> >> > "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
>>> >> > news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net...
>>> >> >> Earle Horton wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl
>>> > hexanoate,
>>> >> > and
>>> >> >> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry
>> that
>>> >> > "-oate"
>>> >> >> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can
>>> >> >> > tell
>>> >> > you,
>>> >> >> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH,
>> made
>>> >> >> > for
>>> >> >> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price
>> in
>>> > the
>>> >> >> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was
>>> >> >> > writing
>>> >> > down
>>> >> >> > the ingredients.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > No mention of mule **** or sweat shops on the container. ;^)
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT
>>> >> >> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the
>>> >> >> ever-popular
>>> >> >> absence of silicates and phosphates.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the
>>> >> >> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you
>> put
>>> >> >> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled
>> 3-yr.
>>> >> >> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and
>>> >> > "compatible
>>> > with
>>> >> > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex
>>> > stuff,
>>> >> > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of
>>> >> > changing
>>> > the
>>> >> > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the
>>> >> > green
>>> >> > stuff,
>>> >> > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze,
>>> >> > except
>>> >> > for
>>> >> > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff
>> and
>>> >> > a
>>> >> > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Thanks.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Earle
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

 

So all of you folks that change your own coolant - what do you do with the
old stuff?
Tomes

"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:9e586$45792a3e$422afc51$13501@FUSE.NET...
> If you want to be on the safe side the Zerex Green will cover your GM and
> Jeep.
>
> The Zerex Green is a 5 year/100k formula..... I'm not so sure about the 5
> year part...... but then Ford toward the end of the green era was saying 4
> years so maybe....
>
> I plan on doing mine at 4 years.... just to be on the safe side as I would
> rather be safe than sorry.
>
> Add to that if the corrosion takes place in the heater core rather than
> the radiator the whole dashboard had to come out and the AC
> discharged....... If $20 worth of coolant can save me $1000 in labor it
> sounds like a good investment.
>
> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:4578f36c$0$3518$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>> Muchas gracias. So you're saying that G-05 is actually better than IAT?
>> Cool.
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> news:cab74$4578d71a$422afc51$21307@FUSE.NET...
>>> DC says you can use G-05 in its vehicles that came from the factory with
>> IAT
>>> Green coolant.... it is the current suggestion to upgrade as the new
>> coolant
>>> has better corrosion protection.
>>>
>>> If you would like to stay with Green it is still available in Zerex
>> Original
>>> brand in the white jug.
>>>
>>> I would not put DexCool in any vehicle that did not come from the
>>> factory
>>> with it.....there are too many questions about its side effects.....
>>>
>>>
>>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
>>> news:457834c3$0$3508$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>>> > This is like Catch-22. I am not so worried about meeting the OEM
>> warranty
>>> > requirements for a 1989 Suburban and a 1995 Wrangler. I don't think
>> that
>>> > I
>>> > will be putting in warranty claims any time soon. In both cases the
>>> > coolant
>>> > specified by the vehicle manufacturer appears to be IAT, like it says
>>> > in
>>> > the
>>> > owner's manual, żno?
>>> >
>>> > It appears that the reason for the new coolants, is that the
>> manufacturers
>>> > decided to start building engine components out of pot metal. :o(
>>> > Even
>>> > the
>>> > Honda Civic that I have used IAT from the factory. Now they have a
>>> > propietary formula too.
>>> >
>>> > Heh, Outatime says that the universal stuff that I looked at in
>>> > Walmart
>> is
>>> > the same as Dexcool.
>>> >
>>> > Earle
>>> >
>>> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>>> > news:aa57f$45779d64$422afc51$1785@FUSE.NET...
>>> >> ...The issue with universal coolants is that a single formula cannot
>> meet
>>> >> the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants. If
>>> >> a
>>> >> universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT
>>> >> specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM
>>> >> HOAT
>>> >> specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid
>>> >> technology
>>> >> ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications.
>>> > Consequently,
>>> >> some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a universal
>>> >> coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM
>>> >> specifications. This means distributors must offer three different
>>> > coolants
>>> >> to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the coolant
>> may
>>> > not
>>> >> satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest
>>> > recommendation
>>> >> is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle
>>> >> manufacturer....
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>> http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5
>>> >>
>>> >> FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT (DexCool),
>> and
>>> >> HOAT (G-05)
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
>>> >> news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>>> >> > "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
>>> >> > news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net...
>>> >> >> Earle Horton wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl
>>> > hexanoate,
>>> >> > and
>>> >> >> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry
>> that
>>> >> > "-oate"
>>> >> >> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can
>>> >> >> > tell
>>> >> > you,
>>> >> >> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH,
>> made
>>> >> >> > for
>>> >> >> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price
>> in
>>> > the
>>> >> >> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was
>>> >> >> > writing
>>> >> > down
>>> >> >> > the ingredients.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > No mention of mule **** or sweat shops on the container. ;^)
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT
>>> >> >> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the
>>> >> >> ever-popular
>>> >> >> absence of silicates and phosphates.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the
>>> >> >> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you
>> put
>>> >> >> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled
>> 3-yr.
>>> >> >> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and
>>> >> > "compatible
>>> > with
>>> >> > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex
>>> > stuff,
>>> >> > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of
>>> >> > changing
>>> > the
>>> >> > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the
>>> >> > green
>>> >> > stuff,
>>> >> > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze,
>>> >> > except
>>> >> > for
>>> >> > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff
>> and
>>> >> > a
>>> >> > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Thanks.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Earle
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

 

Tomes wrote:

> So all of you folks that change your own coolant - what do you do with the
> old stuff?


I dispose of it down the sewer system; local officials tell me this is
acceptable - check with yours if you want to do this. (Some systems
prefer you don't as it can diminsh aerobic bacterial functions.) I use
the garage sink to avoid splashing. You can also take it to any local
hazmat facility, usually for free.

 

Tomes wrote:

> So all of you folks that change your own coolant - what do you do with the
> old stuff?


I dispose of it down the sewer system; local officials tell me this is
acceptable - check with yours if you want to do this. (Some systems
prefer you don't as it can diminsh aerobic bacterial functions.) I use
the garage sink to avoid splashing. You can also take it to any local
hazmat facility, usually for free.

 

Tomes wrote:

> So all of you folks that change your own coolant - what do you do with the
> old stuff?


I dispose of it down the sewer system; local officials tell me this is
acceptable - check with yours if you want to do this. (Some systems
prefer you don't as it can diminsh aerobic bacterial functions.) I use
the garage sink to avoid splashing. You can also take it to any local
hazmat facility, usually for free.

 

Ditto.
If you feel like paying to have it disposed of, your Yellow Pages
will have it listed under hazardous waste.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Outatime wrote:
>
> I dispose of it down the sewer system; local officials tell me this is
> acceptable - check with yours if you want to do this. (Some systems
> prefer you don't as it can diminsh aerobic bacterial functions.) I use
> the garage sink to avoid splashing. You can also take it to any local
> hazmat facility, usually for free.

 

Ditto.
If you feel like paying to have it disposed of, your Yellow Pages
will have it listed under hazardous waste.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Outatime wrote:
>
> I dispose of it down the sewer system; local officials tell me this is
> acceptable - check with yours if you want to do this. (Some systems
> prefer you don't as it can diminsh aerobic bacterial functions.) I use
> the garage sink to avoid splashing. You can also take it to any local
> hazmat facility, usually for free.

 

Ditto.
If you feel like paying to have it disposed of, your Yellow Pages
will have it listed under hazardous waste.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Outatime wrote:
>
> I dispose of it down the sewer system; local officials tell me this is
> acceptable - check with yours if you want to do this. (Some systems
> prefer you don't as it can diminsh aerobic bacterial functions.) I use
> the garage sink to avoid splashing. You can also take it to any local
> hazmat facility, usually for free.

 

Not sure if your supposed to, but i mix it with my used oil and bring it to
the gas station.
"Tomes" <askme@here.net> wrote in message
news:yrifh.9269$1s6.4975@newsread2.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> So all of you folks that change your own coolant - what do you do with the
> old stuff?
> Tomes
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:9e586$45792a3e$422afc51$13501@FUSE.NET...
>> If you want to be on the safe side the Zerex Green will cover your GM and
>> Jeep.
>>
>> The Zerex Green is a 5 year/100k formula..... I'm not so sure about the 5
>> year part...... but then Ford toward the end of the green era was saying
>> 4 years so maybe....
>>
>> I plan on doing mine at 4 years.... just to be on the safe side as I
>> would rather be safe than sorry.
>>
>> Add to that if the corrosion takes place in the heater core rather than
>> the radiator the whole dashboard had to come out and the AC
>> discharged....... If $20 worth of coolant can save me $1000 in labor it
>> sounds like a good investment.
>>
>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
>> news:4578f36c$0$3518$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>>> Muchas gracias. So you're saying that G-05 is actually better than IAT?
>>> Cool.
>>>
>>> Earle
>>>
>>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>>> news:cab74$4578d71a$422afc51$21307@FUSE.NET...
>>>> DC says you can use G-05 in its vehicles that came from the factory
>>>> with
>>> IAT
>>>> Green coolant.... it is the current suggestion to upgrade as the new
>>> coolant
>>>> has better corrosion protection.
>>>>
>>>> If you would like to stay with Green it is still available in Zerex
>>> Original
>>>> brand in the white jug.
>>>>
>>>> I would not put DexCool in any vehicle that did not come from the
>>>> factory
>>>> with it.....there are too many questions about its side effects.....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:457834c3$0$3508$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>>>> > This is like Catch-22. I am not so worried about meeting the OEM
>>> warranty
>>>> > requirements for a 1989 Suburban and a 1995 Wrangler. I don't think
>>> that
>>>> > I
>>>> > will be putting in warranty claims any time soon. In both cases the
>>>> > coolant
>>>> > specified by the vehicle manufacturer appears to be IAT, like it says
>>>> > in
>>>> > the
>>>> > owner's manual, żno?
>>>> >
>>>> > It appears that the reason for the new coolants, is that the
>>> manufacturers
>>>> > decided to start building engine components out of pot metal. :o(
>>>> > Even
>>>> > the
>>>> > Honda Civic that I have used IAT from the factory. Now they have a
>>>> > propietary formula too.
>>>> >
>>>> > Heh, Outatime says that the universal stuff that I looked at in
>>>> > Walmart
>>> is
>>>> > the same as Dexcool.
>>>> >
>>>> > Earle
>>>> >
>>>> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>>>> > news:aa57f$45779d64$422afc51$1785@FUSE.NET...
>>>> >> ...The issue with universal coolants is that a single formula cannot
>>> meet
>>>> >> the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants.
>>>> >> If a
>>>> >> universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT
>>>> >> specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM
>>>> >> HOAT
>>>> >> specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid
>>>> >> technology
>>>> >> ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications.
>>>> > Consequently,
>>>> >> some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a
>>>> >> universal
>>>> >> coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM
>>>> >> specifications. This means distributors must offer three different
>>>> > coolants
>>>> >> to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the coolant
>>> may
>>>> > not
>>>> >> satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest
>>>> > recommendation
>>>> >> is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle
>>>> >> manufacturer....
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>> http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5
>>>> >>
>>>> >> FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT (DexCool),
>>> and
>>>> >> HOAT (G-05)
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
>>>> >> news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>>>> >> > "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
>>>> >> > news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net...
>>>> >> >> Earle Horton wrote:
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl
>>>> > hexanoate,
>>>> >> > and
>>>> >> >> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry
>>> that
>>>> >> > "-oate"
>>>> >> >> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon
>>>> >> >> > can
>>>> >> >> > tell
>>>> >> > you,
>>>> >> >> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH,
>>> made
>>>> >> >> > for
>>>> >> >> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest
>>>> >> >> > price
>>> in
>>>> > the
>>>> >> >> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was
>>>> >> >> > writing
>>>> >> > down
>>>> >> >> > the ingredients.
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> > No mention of mule **** or sweat shops on the container. ;^)
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT
>>>> >> >> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the
>>>> >> >> ever-popular
>>>> >> >> absence of silicates and phosphates.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the
>>>> >> >> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you
>>> put
>>>> >> >> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled
>>> 3-yr.
>>>> >> >> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and
>>>> >> > "compatible
>>>> > with
>>>> >> > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the
>>>> >> > Zerex
>>>> > stuff,
>>>> >> > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of
>>>> >> > changing
>>>> > the
>>>> >> > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the
>>>> >> > green
>>>> >> > stuff,
>>>> >> > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze,
>>>> >> > except
>>>> >> > for
>>>> >> > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff
>>> and
>>>> >> > a
>>>> >> > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Thanks.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Earle
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

 

Not sure if your supposed to, but i mix it with my used oil and bring it to
the gas station.
"Tomes" <askme@here.net> wrote in message
news:yrifh.9269$1s6.4975@newsread2.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> So all of you folks that change your own coolant - what do you do with the
> old stuff?
> Tomes
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:9e586$45792a3e$422afc51$13501@FUSE.NET...
>> If you want to be on the safe side the Zerex Green will cover your GM and
>> Jeep.
>>
>> The Zerex Green is a 5 year/100k formula..... I'm not so sure about the 5
>> year part...... but then Ford toward the end of the green era was saying
>> 4 years so maybe....
>>
>> I plan on doing mine at 4 years.... just to be on the safe side as I
>> would rather be safe than sorry.
>>
>> Add to that if the corrosion takes place in the heater core rather than
>> the radiator the whole dashboard had to come out and the AC
>> discharged....... If $20 worth of coolant can save me $1000 in labor it
>> sounds like a good investment.
>>
>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
>> news:4578f36c$0$3518$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>>> Muchas gracias. So you're saying that G-05 is actually better than IAT?
>>> Cool.
>>>
>>> Earle
>>>
>>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>>> news:cab74$4578d71a$422afc51$21307@FUSE.NET...
>>>> DC says you can use G-05 in its vehicles that came from the factory
>>>> with
>>> IAT
>>>> Green coolant.... it is the current suggestion to upgrade as the new
>>> coolant
>>>> has better corrosion protection.
>>>>
>>>> If you would like to stay with Green it is still available in Zerex
>>> Original
>>>> brand in the white jug.
>>>>
>>>> I would not put DexCool in any vehicle that did not come from the
>>>> factory
>>>> with it.....there are too many questions about its side effects.....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:457834c3$0$3508$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>>>> > This is like Catch-22. I am not so worried about meeting the OEM
>>> warranty
>>>> > requirements for a 1989 Suburban and a 1995 Wrangler. I don't think
>>> that
>>>> > I
>>>> > will be putting in warranty claims any time soon. In both cases the
>>>> > coolant
>>>> > specified by the vehicle manufacturer appears to be IAT, like it says
>>>> > in
>>>> > the
>>>> > owner's manual, żno?
>>>> >
>>>> > It appears that the reason for the new coolants, is that the
>>> manufacturers
>>>> > decided to start building engine components out of pot metal. :o(
>>>> > Even
>>>> > the
>>>> > Honda Civic that I have used IAT from the factory. Now they have a
>>>> > propietary formula too.
>>>> >
>>>> > Heh, Outatime says that the universal stuff that I looked at in
>>>> > Walmart
>>> is
>>>> > the same as Dexcool.
>>>> >
>>>> > Earle
>>>> >
>>>> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>>>> > news:aa57f$45779d64$422afc51$1785@FUSE.NET...
>>>> >> ...The issue with universal coolants is that a single formula cannot
>>> meet
>>>> >> the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants.
>>>> >> If a
>>>> >> universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT
>>>> >> specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM
>>>> >> HOAT
>>>> >> specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid
>>>> >> technology
>>>> >> ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications.
>>>> > Consequently,
>>>> >> some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a
>>>> >> universal
>>>> >> coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM
>>>> >> specifications. This means distributors must offer three different
>>>> > coolants
>>>> >> to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the coolant
>>> may
>>>> > not
>>>> >> satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest
>>>> > recommendation
>>>> >> is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle
>>>> >> manufacturer....
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>> http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5
>>>> >>
>>>> >> FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT (DexCool),
>>> and
>>>> >> HOAT (G-05)
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
>>>> >> news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>>>> >> > "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
>>>> >> > news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net...
>>>> >> >> Earle Horton wrote:
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl
>>>> > hexanoate,
>>>> >> > and
>>>> >> >> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry
>>> that
>>>> >> > "-oate"
>>>> >> >> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon
>>>> >> >> > can
>>>> >> >> > tell
>>>> >> > you,
>>>> >> >> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH,
>>> made
>>>> >> >> > for
>>>> >> >> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest
>>>> >> >> > price
>>> in
>>>> > the
>>>> >> >> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was
>>>> >> >> > writing
>>>> >> > down
>>>> >> >> > the ingredients.
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> > No mention of mule **** or sweat shops on the container. ;^)
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT
>>>> >> >> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the
>>>> >> >> ever-popular
>>>> >> >> absence of silicates and phosphates.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the
>>>> >> >> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you
>>> put
>>>> >> >> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled
>>> 3-yr.
>>>> >> >> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and
>>>> >> > "compatible
>>>> > with
>>>> >> > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the
>>>> >> > Zerex
>>>> > stuff,
>>>> >> > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of
>>>> >> > changing
>>>> > the
>>>> >> > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the
>>>> >> > green
>>>> >> > stuff,
>>>> >> > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze,
>>>> >> > except
>>>> >> > for
>>>> >> > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff
>>> and
>>>> >> > a
>>>> >> > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Thanks.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Earle
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
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