Coolant suprise
12-06-2006, 10:16 PM
#101
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Re: Coolant suprise
Earle Horton wrote:
> Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate, and
> sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry that "-oate"
> is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can tell you,
> things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH, made for
> Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price in the
> store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was writing down
> the ingredients.
>
> No mention of mule **** or sweat shops on the container. ;^)
I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all.
If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT
portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the ever-popular
absence of silicates and phosphates.
Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the
coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you put
this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled 3-yr.
old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system.
> Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate, and
> sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry that "-oate"
> is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can tell you,
> things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH, made for
> Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price in the
> store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was writing down
> the ingredients.
>
> No mention of mule **** or sweat shops on the container. ;^)
I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all.
If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT
portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the ever-popular
absence of silicates and phosphates.
Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the
coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you put
this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled 3-yr.
old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system.
12-06-2006, 10:16 PM
#102
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Re: Coolant suprise
Earle Horton wrote:
> Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate, and
> sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry that "-oate"
> is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can tell you,
> things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH, made for
> Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price in the
> store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was writing down
> the ingredients.
>
> No mention of mule **** or sweat shops on the container. ;^)
I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all.
If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT
portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the ever-popular
absence of silicates and phosphates.
Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the
coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you put
this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled 3-yr.
old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system.
> Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate, and
> sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry that "-oate"
> is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can tell you,
> things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH, made for
> Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price in the
> store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was writing down
> the ingredients.
>
> No mention of mule **** or sweat shops on the container. ;^)
I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all.
If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT
portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the ever-popular
absence of silicates and phosphates.
Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the
coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you put
this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled 3-yr.
old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system.
12-06-2006, 10:16 PM
#103
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Re: Coolant suprise
Earle Horton wrote:
> Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate, and
> sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry that "-oate"
> is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can tell you,
> things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH, made for
> Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price in the
> store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was writing down
> the ingredients.
>
> No mention of mule **** or sweat shops on the container. ;^)
I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all.
If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT
portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the ever-popular
absence of silicates and phosphates.
Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the
coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you put
this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled 3-yr.
old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system.
> Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate, and
> sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry that "-oate"
> is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can tell you,
> things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH, made for
> Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price in the
> store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was writing down
> the ingredients.
>
> No mention of mule **** or sweat shops on the container. ;^)
I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all.
If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT
portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the ever-popular
absence of silicates and phosphates.
Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the
coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you put
this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled 3-yr.
old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system.
12-06-2006, 11:34 PM
#104
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Re: Coolant suprise
"Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
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> Earle Horton wrote:
>
> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate,
and
> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry that
"-oate"
> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can tell
you,
> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH, made for
> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price in the
> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was writing
down
> > the ingredients.
> >
> > No mention of mule **** or sweat shops on the container. ;^)
>
> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all.
>
> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT
> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the ever-popular
> absence of silicates and phosphates.
>
> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the
> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you put
> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled 3-yr.
> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system.
>
That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and "compatible with
all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex stuff,
or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of changing the
coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green stuff,
but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except for
"Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff and a
couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
Thanks.
Earle
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> Earle Horton wrote:
>
> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate,
and
> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry that
"-oate"
> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can tell
you,
> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH, made for
> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price in the
> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was writing
down
> > the ingredients.
> >
> > No mention of mule **** or sweat shops on the container. ;^)
>
> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all.
>
> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT
> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the ever-popular
> absence of silicates and phosphates.
>
> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the
> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you put
> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled 3-yr.
> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system.
>
That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and "compatible with
all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex stuff,
or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of changing the
coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green stuff,
but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except for
"Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff and a
couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
Thanks.
Earle
12-06-2006, 11:34 PM
#105
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Re: Coolant suprise
"Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
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> Earle Horton wrote:
>
> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate,
and
> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry that
"-oate"
> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can tell
you,
> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH, made for
> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price in the
> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was writing
down
> > the ingredients.
> >
> > No mention of mule **** or sweat shops on the container. ;^)
>
> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all.
>
> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT
> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the ever-popular
> absence of silicates and phosphates.
>
> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the
> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you put
> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled 3-yr.
> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system.
>
That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and "compatible with
all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex stuff,
or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of changing the
coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green stuff,
but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except for
"Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff and a
couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
Thanks.
Earle
news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net...
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate,
and
> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry that
"-oate"
> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can tell
you,
> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH, made for
> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price in the
> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was writing
down
> > the ingredients.
> >
> > No mention of mule **** or sweat shops on the container. ;^)
>
> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all.
>
> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT
> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the ever-popular
> absence of silicates and phosphates.
>
> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the
> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you put
> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled 3-yr.
> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system.
>
That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and "compatible with
all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex stuff,
or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of changing the
coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green stuff,
but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except for
"Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff and a
couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
Thanks.
Earle
12-06-2006, 11:34 PM
#106
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Re: Coolant suprise
"Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
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> Earle Horton wrote:
>
> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate,
and
> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry that
"-oate"
> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can tell
you,
> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH, made for
> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price in the
> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was writing
down
> > the ingredients.
> >
> > No mention of mule **** or sweat shops on the container. ;^)
>
> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all.
>
> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT
> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the ever-popular
> absence of silicates and phosphates.
>
> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the
> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you put
> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled 3-yr.
> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system.
>
That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and "compatible with
all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex stuff,
or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of changing the
coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green stuff,
but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except for
"Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff and a
couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
Thanks.
Earle
news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net...
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate,
and
> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry that
"-oate"
> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can tell
you,
> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH, made for
> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price in the
> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was writing
down
> > the ingredients.
> >
> > No mention of mule **** or sweat shops on the container. ;^)
>
> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all.
>
> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT
> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the ever-popular
> absence of silicates and phosphates.
>
> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the
> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you put
> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled 3-yr.
> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system.
>
That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and "compatible with
all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex stuff,
or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of changing the
coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green stuff,
but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except for
"Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff and a
couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
Thanks.
Earle
12-06-2006, 11:49 PM
#107
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Re: Coolant suprise
....The issue with universal coolants is that a single formula cannot meet
the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants. If a
universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT
specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM HOAT
specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid technology
ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications. Consequently,
some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a universal
coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM
specifications. This means distributors must offer three different coolants
to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the coolant may not
satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest recommendation
is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle manufacturer....
http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5
FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT (DexCool), and
HOAT (G-05)
"Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
> news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net...
>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate,
> and
>> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry that
> "-oate"
>> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can tell
> you,
>> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH, made
>> > for
>> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price in the
>> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was writing
> down
>> > the ingredients.
>> >
>> > No mention of mule **** or sweat shops on the container. ;^)
>>
>> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all.
>>
>> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT
>> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the ever-popular
>> absence of silicates and phosphates.
>>
>> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the
>> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you put
>> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled 3-yr.
>> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system.
>>
>
> That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and "compatible with
> all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex stuff,
> or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of changing the
> coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green
> stuff,
> but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except for
> "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff and a
> couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Earle
>
>
the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants. If a
universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT
specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM HOAT
specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid technology
ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications. Consequently,
some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a universal
coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM
specifications. This means distributors must offer three different coolants
to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the coolant may not
satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest recommendation
is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle manufacturer....
http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5
FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT (DexCool), and
HOAT (G-05)
"Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
> news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net...
>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate,
> and
>> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry that
> "-oate"
>> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can tell
> you,
>> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH, made
>> > for
>> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price in the
>> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was writing
> down
>> > the ingredients.
>> >
>> > No mention of mule **** or sweat shops on the container. ;^)
>>
>> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all.
>>
>> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT
>> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the ever-popular
>> absence of silicates and phosphates.
>>
>> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the
>> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you put
>> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled 3-yr.
>> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system.
>>
>
> That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and "compatible with
> all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex stuff,
> or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of changing the
> coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green
> stuff,
> but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except for
> "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff and a
> couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Earle
>
>
12-06-2006, 11:49 PM
#108
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Coolant suprise
....The issue with universal coolants is that a single formula cannot meet
the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants. If a
universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT
specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM HOAT
specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid technology
ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications. Consequently,
some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a universal
coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM
specifications. This means distributors must offer three different coolants
to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the coolant may not
satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest recommendation
is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle manufacturer....
http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5
FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT (DexCool), and
HOAT (G-05)
"Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
> news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net...
>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate,
> and
>> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry that
> "-oate"
>> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can tell
> you,
>> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH, made
>> > for
>> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price in the
>> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was writing
> down
>> > the ingredients.
>> >
>> > No mention of mule **** or sweat shops on the container. ;^)
>>
>> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all.
>>
>> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT
>> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the ever-popular
>> absence of silicates and phosphates.
>>
>> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the
>> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you put
>> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled 3-yr.
>> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system.
>>
>
> That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and "compatible with
> all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex stuff,
> or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of changing the
> coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green
> stuff,
> but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except for
> "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff and a
> couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Earle
>
>
the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants. If a
universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT
specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM HOAT
specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid technology
ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications. Consequently,
some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a universal
coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM
specifications. This means distributors must offer three different coolants
to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the coolant may not
satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest recommendation
is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle manufacturer....
http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5
FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT (DexCool), and
HOAT (G-05)
"Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
> news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net...
>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate,
> and
>> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry that
> "-oate"
>> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can tell
> you,
>> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH, made
>> > for
>> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price in the
>> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was writing
> down
>> > the ingredients.
>> >
>> > No mention of mule **** or sweat shops on the container. ;^)
>>
>> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all.
>>
>> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT
>> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the ever-popular
>> absence of silicates and phosphates.
>>
>> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the
>> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you put
>> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled 3-yr.
>> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system.
>>
>
> That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and "compatible with
> all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex stuff,
> or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of changing the
> coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green
> stuff,
> but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except for
> "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff and a
> couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Earle
>
>
12-06-2006, 11:49 PM
#109
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Coolant suprise
....The issue with universal coolants is that a single formula cannot meet
the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants. If a
universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT
specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM HOAT
specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid technology
ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications. Consequently,
some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a universal
coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM
specifications. This means distributors must offer three different coolants
to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the coolant may not
satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest recommendation
is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle manufacturer....
http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5
FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT (DexCool), and
HOAT (G-05)
"Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
> news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net...
>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate,
> and
>> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry that
> "-oate"
>> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can tell
> you,
>> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH, made
>> > for
>> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price in the
>> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was writing
> down
>> > the ingredients.
>> >
>> > No mention of mule **** or sweat shops on the container. ;^)
>>
>> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all.
>>
>> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT
>> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the ever-popular
>> absence of silicates and phosphates.
>>
>> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the
>> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you put
>> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled 3-yr.
>> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system.
>>
>
> That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and "compatible with
> all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex stuff,
> or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of changing the
> coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green
> stuff,
> but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except for
> "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff and a
> couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Earle
>
>
the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants. If a
universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT
specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM HOAT
specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid technology
ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications. Consequently,
some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a universal
coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM
specifications. This means distributors must offer three different coolants
to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the coolant may not
satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest recommendation
is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle manufacturer....
http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5
FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT (DexCool), and
HOAT (G-05)
"Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
> news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net...
>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate,
> and
>> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry that
> "-oate"
>> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can tell
> you,
>> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH, made
>> > for
>> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price in the
>> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was writing
> down
>> > the ingredients.
>> >
>> > No mention of mule **** or sweat shops on the container. ;^)
>>
>> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all.
>>
>> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT
>> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the ever-popular
>> absence of silicates and phosphates.
>>
>> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the
>> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you put
>> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled 3-yr.
>> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system.
>>
>
> That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and "compatible with
> all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex stuff,
> or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of changing the
> coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green
> stuff,
> but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except for
> "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff and a
> couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Earle
>
>
12-07-2006, 09:39 AM
#110
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Coolant suprise
This is like Catch-22. I am not so worried about meeting the OEM warranty
requirements for a 1989 Suburban and a 1995 Wrangler. I don't think that I
will be putting in warranty claims any time soon. In both cases the coolant
specified by the vehicle manufacturer appears to be IAT, like it says in the
owner's manual, żno?
It appears that the reason for the new coolants, is that the manufacturers
decided to start building engine components out of pot metal. :o( Even the
Honda Civic that I have used IAT from the factory. Now they have a
propietary formula too.
Heh, Outatime says that the universal stuff that I looked at in Walmart is
the same as Dexcool.
Earle
"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:aa57f$45779d64$422afc51$1785@FUSE.NET...
> ...The issue with universal coolants is that a single formula cannot meet
> the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants. If a
> universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT
> specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM HOAT
> specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid technology
> ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications.
Consequently,
> some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a universal
> coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM
> specifications. This means distributors must offer three different
coolants
> to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the coolant may
not
> satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest
recommendation
> is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle manufacturer....
>
>
http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5
>
> FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT (DexCool), and
> HOAT (G-05)
>
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> > "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
> > news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net...
> >> Earle Horton wrote:
> >>
> >> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl
hexanoate,
> > and
> >> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry that
> > "-oate"
> >> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can tell
> > you,
> >> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH, made
> >> > for
> >> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price in
the
> >> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was writing
> > down
> >> > the ingredients.
> >> >
> >> > No mention of mule **** or sweat shops on the container. ;^)
> >>
> >> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all.
> >>
> >> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT
> >> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the ever-popular
> >> absence of silicates and phosphates.
> >>
> >> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the
> >> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you put
> >> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled 3-yr.
> >> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system.
> >>
> >
> > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and "compatible
with
> > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex
stuff,
> > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of changing
the
> > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green
> > stuff,
> > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except for
> > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff and a
> > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> >
>
>
requirements for a 1989 Suburban and a 1995 Wrangler. I don't think that I
will be putting in warranty claims any time soon. In both cases the coolant
specified by the vehicle manufacturer appears to be IAT, like it says in the
owner's manual, żno?
It appears that the reason for the new coolants, is that the manufacturers
decided to start building engine components out of pot metal. :o( Even the
Honda Civic that I have used IAT from the factory. Now they have a
propietary formula too.
Heh, Outatime says that the universal stuff that I looked at in Walmart is
the same as Dexcool.
Earle
"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:aa57f$45779d64$422afc51$1785@FUSE.NET...
> ...The issue with universal coolants is that a single formula cannot meet
> the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants. If a
> universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT
> specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM HOAT
> specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid technology
> ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications.
Consequently,
> some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a universal
> coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM
> specifications. This means distributors must offer three different
coolants
> to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the coolant may
not
> satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest
recommendation
> is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle manufacturer....
>
>
http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5
>
> FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT (DexCool), and
> HOAT (G-05)
>
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> > "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
> > news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net...
> >> Earle Horton wrote:
> >>
> >> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl
hexanoate,
> > and
> >> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry that
> > "-oate"
> >> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can tell
> > you,
> >> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH, made
> >> > for
> >> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price in
the
> >> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was writing
> > down
> >> > the ingredients.
> >> >
> >> > No mention of mule **** or sweat shops on the container. ;^)
> >>
> >> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all.
> >>
> >> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT
> >> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the ever-popular
> >> absence of silicates and phosphates.
> >>
> >> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the
> >> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you put
> >> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled 3-yr.
> >> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system.
> >>
> >
> > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and "compatible
with
> > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex
stuff,
> > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of changing
the
> > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green
> > stuff,
> > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except for
> > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff and a
> > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> >
>
>