Coolant suprise
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Outatime wrote:
> DougW wrote:
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>> Send it to postmaster at the domain in my sig
>> and I'll put it on the website.
>
> Will do, Doug; it's on the way to you now.
You didn't need to use an anonymizer. :)
I don't keep records.
http://www.revbeergoggles.com/coolants/
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> DougW wrote:
>
>> Send it to postmaster at the domain in my sig
>> and I'll put it on the website.
>
> Will do, Doug; it's on the way to you now.
You didn't need to use an anonymizer. :)
I don't keep records.
http://www.revbeergoggles.com/coolants/
Converted it to pure 7.0 Acrobat format
to save some space. Should be compatible
with all current readers.
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Outatime wrote:
> DougW wrote:
>
>> Send it to postmaster at the domain in my sig
>> and I'll put it on the website.
>
> Will do, Doug; it's on the way to you now.
You didn't need to use an anonymizer. :)
I don't keep records.
http://www.revbeergoggles.com/coolants/
Converted it to pure 7.0 Acrobat format
to save some space. Should be compatible
with all current readers.
--
DougW
> DougW wrote:
>
>> Send it to postmaster at the domain in my sig
>> and I'll put it on the website.
>
> Will do, Doug; it's on the way to you now.
You didn't need to use an anonymizer. :)
I don't keep records.
http://www.revbeergoggles.com/coolants/
Converted it to pure 7.0 Acrobat format
to save some space. Should be compatible
with all current readers.
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Re: Coolant suprise
Outatime wrote:
> DougW wrote:
>
>> Send it to postmaster at the domain in my sig
>> and I'll put it on the website.
>
> Will do, Doug; it's on the way to you now.
You didn't need to use an anonymizer. :)
I don't keep records.
http://www.revbeergoggles.com/coolants/
Converted it to pure 7.0 Acrobat format
to save some space. Should be compatible
with all current readers.
--
DougW
> DougW wrote:
>
>> Send it to postmaster at the domain in my sig
>> and I'll put it on the website.
>
> Will do, Doug; it's on the way to you now.
You didn't need to use an anonymizer. :)
I don't keep records.
http://www.revbeergoggles.com/coolants/
Converted it to pure 7.0 Acrobat format
to save some space. Should be compatible
with all current readers.
--
DougW
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Re: Coolant suprise
DougW wrote:
> You didn't need to use an anonymizer. :)
> I don't keep records.
I didn't. I'm using SeaMonkey, which allows me to do some very
interesting things.
> http://www.revbeergoggles.com/coolants/
>
> Converted it to pure 7.0 Acrobat format
> to save some space. Should be compatible
> with all current readers.
It works great with my vintage v5.0 version. Thanks for posting.
> You didn't need to use an anonymizer. :)
> I don't keep records.
I didn't. I'm using SeaMonkey, which allows me to do some very
interesting things.
> http://www.revbeergoggles.com/coolants/
>
> Converted it to pure 7.0 Acrobat format
> to save some space. Should be compatible
> with all current readers.
It works great with my vintage v5.0 version. Thanks for posting.
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Re: Coolant suprise
DougW wrote:
> You didn't need to use an anonymizer. :)
> I don't keep records.
I didn't. I'm using SeaMonkey, which allows me to do some very
interesting things.
> http://www.revbeergoggles.com/coolants/
>
> Converted it to pure 7.0 Acrobat format
> to save some space. Should be compatible
> with all current readers.
It works great with my vintage v5.0 version. Thanks for posting.
> You didn't need to use an anonymizer. :)
> I don't keep records.
I didn't. I'm using SeaMonkey, which allows me to do some very
interesting things.
> http://www.revbeergoggles.com/coolants/
>
> Converted it to pure 7.0 Acrobat format
> to save some space. Should be compatible
> with all current readers.
It works great with my vintage v5.0 version. Thanks for posting.
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Re: Coolant suprise
DougW wrote:
> You didn't need to use an anonymizer. :)
> I don't keep records.
I didn't. I'm using SeaMonkey, which allows me to do some very
interesting things.
> http://www.revbeergoggles.com/coolants/
>
> Converted it to pure 7.0 Acrobat format
> to save some space. Should be compatible
> with all current readers.
It works great with my vintage v5.0 version. Thanks for posting.
> You didn't need to use an anonymizer. :)
> I don't keep records.
I didn't. I'm using SeaMonkey, which allows me to do some very
interesting things.
> http://www.revbeergoggles.com/coolants/
>
> Converted it to pure 7.0 Acrobat format
> to save some space. Should be compatible
> with all current readers.
It works great with my vintage v5.0 version. Thanks for posting.
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Re: Coolant suprise
Thanks!
"Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
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> Carl wrote:
>
>> Me too, please. Carlsaiyed at hotmail dot com.
>
> It's on the way to you now, Carl. Good reading.
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>
>> Me too, please. Carlsaiyed at hotmail dot com.
>
> It's on the way to you now, Carl. Good reading.
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> Carl wrote:
>
>> Me too, please. Carlsaiyed at hotmail dot com.
>
> It's on the way to you now, Carl. Good reading.
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> Carl wrote:
>
>> Me too, please. Carlsaiyed at hotmail dot com.
>
> It's on the way to you now, Carl. Good reading.
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> Carl wrote:
>
>> Me too, please. Carlsaiyed at hotmail dot com.
>
> It's on the way to you now, Carl. Good reading.
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> Carl wrote:
>
>> Me too, please. Carlsaiyed at hotmail dot com.
>
> It's on the way to you now, Carl. Good reading.
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What do you do with your old coolant? (was: Coolant suprise)
So all of you folks that change your own coolant - what do you do with the
old stuff?
Tomes
"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
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> If you want to be on the safe side the Zerex Green will cover your GM and
> Jeep.
>
> The Zerex Green is a 5 year/100k formula..... I'm not so sure about the 5
> year part...... but then Ford toward the end of the green era was saying 4
> years so maybe....
>
> I plan on doing mine at 4 years.... just to be on the safe side as I would
> rather be safe than sorry.
>
> Add to that if the corrosion takes place in the heater core rather than
> the radiator the whole dashboard had to come out and the AC
> discharged....... If $20 worth of coolant can save me $1000 in labor it
> sounds like a good investment.
>
> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:4578f36c$0$3518$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>> Muchas gracias. So you're saying that G-05 is actually better than IAT?
>> Cool.
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> news:cab74$4578d71a$422afc51$21307@FUSE.NET...
>>> DC says you can use G-05 in its vehicles that came from the factory with
>> IAT
>>> Green coolant.... it is the current suggestion to upgrade as the new
>> coolant
>>> has better corrosion protection.
>>>
>>> If you would like to stay with Green it is still available in Zerex
>> Original
>>> brand in the white jug.
>>>
>>> I would not put DexCool in any vehicle that did not come from the
>>> factory
>>> with it.....there are too many questions about its side effects.....
>>>
>>>
>>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
>>> news:457834c3$0$3508$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>>> > This is like Catch-22. I am not so worried about meeting the OEM
>> warranty
>>> > requirements for a 1989 Suburban and a 1995 Wrangler. I don't think
>> that
>>> > I
>>> > will be putting in warranty claims any time soon. In both cases the
>>> > coolant
>>> > specified by the vehicle manufacturer appears to be IAT, like it says
>>> > in
>>> > the
>>> > owner's manual, żno?
>>> >
>>> > It appears that the reason for the new coolants, is that the
>> manufacturers
>>> > decided to start building engine components out of pot metal. :o(
>>> > Even
>>> > the
>>> > Honda Civic that I have used IAT from the factory. Now they have a
>>> > propietary formula too.
>>> >
>>> > Heh, Outatime says that the universal stuff that I looked at in
>>> > Walmart
>> is
>>> > the same as Dexcool.
>>> >
>>> > Earle
>>> >
>>> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>>> > news:aa57f$45779d64$422afc51$1785@FUSE.NET...
>>> >> ...The issue with universal coolants is that a single formula cannot
>> meet
>>> >> the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants. If
>>> >> a
>>> >> universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT
>>> >> specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM
>>> >> HOAT
>>> >> specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid
>>> >> technology
>>> >> ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications.
>>> > Consequently,
>>> >> some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a universal
>>> >> coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM
>>> >> specifications. This means distributors must offer three different
>>> > coolants
>>> >> to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the coolant
>> may
>>> > not
>>> >> satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest
>>> > recommendation
>>> >> is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle
>>> >> manufacturer....
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>> http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5
>>> >>
>>> >> FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT (DexCool),
>> and
>>> >> HOAT (G-05)
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
>>> >> news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>>> >> > "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
>>> >> > news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net...
>>> >> >> Earle Horton wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl
>>> > hexanoate,
>>> >> > and
>>> >> >> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry
>> that
>>> >> > "-oate"
>>> >> >> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can
>>> >> >> > tell
>>> >> > you,
>>> >> >> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH,
>> made
>>> >> >> > for
>>> >> >> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price
>> in
>>> > the
>>> >> >> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was
>>> >> >> > writing
>>> >> > down
>>> >> >> > the ingredients.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > No mention of mule **** or sweat shops on the container. ;^)
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT
>>> >> >> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the
>>> >> >> ever-popular
>>> >> >> absence of silicates and phosphates.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the
>>> >> >> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you
>> put
>>> >> >> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled
>> 3-yr.
>>> >> >> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and
>>> >> > "compatible
>>> > with
>>> >> > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex
>>> > stuff,
>>> >> > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of
>>> >> > changing
>>> > the
>>> >> > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the
>>> >> > green
>>> >> > stuff,
>>> >> > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze,
>>> >> > except
>>> >> > for
>>> >> > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff
>> and
>>> >> > a
>>> >> > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Thanks.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Earle
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
old stuff?
Tomes
"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:9e586$45792a3e$422afc51$13501@FUSE.NET...
> If you want to be on the safe side the Zerex Green will cover your GM and
> Jeep.
>
> The Zerex Green is a 5 year/100k formula..... I'm not so sure about the 5
> year part...... but then Ford toward the end of the green era was saying 4
> years so maybe....
>
> I plan on doing mine at 4 years.... just to be on the safe side as I would
> rather be safe than sorry.
>
> Add to that if the corrosion takes place in the heater core rather than
> the radiator the whole dashboard had to come out and the AC
> discharged....... If $20 worth of coolant can save me $1000 in labor it
> sounds like a good investment.
>
> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:4578f36c$0$3518$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>> Muchas gracias. So you're saying that G-05 is actually better than IAT?
>> Cool.
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> news:cab74$4578d71a$422afc51$21307@FUSE.NET...
>>> DC says you can use G-05 in its vehicles that came from the factory with
>> IAT
>>> Green coolant.... it is the current suggestion to upgrade as the new
>> coolant
>>> has better corrosion protection.
>>>
>>> If you would like to stay with Green it is still available in Zerex
>> Original
>>> brand in the white jug.
>>>
>>> I would not put DexCool in any vehicle that did not come from the
>>> factory
>>> with it.....there are too many questions about its side effects.....
>>>
>>>
>>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
>>> news:457834c3$0$3508$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>>> > This is like Catch-22. I am not so worried about meeting the OEM
>> warranty
>>> > requirements for a 1989 Suburban and a 1995 Wrangler. I don't think
>> that
>>> > I
>>> > will be putting in warranty claims any time soon. In both cases the
>>> > coolant
>>> > specified by the vehicle manufacturer appears to be IAT, like it says
>>> > in
>>> > the
>>> > owner's manual, żno?
>>> >
>>> > It appears that the reason for the new coolants, is that the
>> manufacturers
>>> > decided to start building engine components out of pot metal. :o(
>>> > Even
>>> > the
>>> > Honda Civic that I have used IAT from the factory. Now they have a
>>> > propietary formula too.
>>> >
>>> > Heh, Outatime says that the universal stuff that I looked at in
>>> > Walmart
>> is
>>> > the same as Dexcool.
>>> >
>>> > Earle
>>> >
>>> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>>> > news:aa57f$45779d64$422afc51$1785@FUSE.NET...
>>> >> ...The issue with universal coolants is that a single formula cannot
>> meet
>>> >> the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants. If
>>> >> a
>>> >> universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT
>>> >> specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM
>>> >> HOAT
>>> >> specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid
>>> >> technology
>>> >> ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications.
>>> > Consequently,
>>> >> some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a universal
>>> >> coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM
>>> >> specifications. This means distributors must offer three different
>>> > coolants
>>> >> to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the coolant
>> may
>>> > not
>>> >> satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest
>>> > recommendation
>>> >> is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle
>>> >> manufacturer....
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>> http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5
>>> >>
>>> >> FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT (DexCool),
>> and
>>> >> HOAT (G-05)
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
>>> >> news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>>> >> > "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
>>> >> > news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net...
>>> >> >> Earle Horton wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl
>>> > hexanoate,
>>> >> > and
>>> >> >> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry
>> that
>>> >> > "-oate"
>>> >> >> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can
>>> >> >> > tell
>>> >> > you,
>>> >> >> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH,
>> made
>>> >> >> > for
>>> >> >> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price
>> in
>>> > the
>>> >> >> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was
>>> >> >> > writing
>>> >> > down
>>> >> >> > the ingredients.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > No mention of mule **** or sweat shops on the container. ;^)
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT
>>> >> >> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the
>>> >> >> ever-popular
>>> >> >> absence of silicates and phosphates.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the
>>> >> >> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you
>> put
>>> >> >> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled
>> 3-yr.
>>> >> >> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and
>>> >> > "compatible
>>> > with
>>> >> > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex
>>> > stuff,
>>> >> > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of
>>> >> > changing
>>> > the
>>> >> > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the
>>> >> > green
>>> >> > stuff,
>>> >> > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze,
>>> >> > except
>>> >> > for
>>> >> > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff
>> and
>>> >> > a
>>> >> > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Thanks.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Earle
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>