Chrysler may be sold
03-06-2007, 11:22 PM
#41
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Chrysler may be sold
It was a great vehicle otherwise, the service just sucked. After they
couldn't fix it the for the second time (within one month of taking
posession) we asked for a new car. The dealer refused and after the third
time we filed suit. The lemon law attorney had never had a car in for
service three times in the first 800 miles. Several months into the suit
they offered a new car, we declined. They ended up paying back all of our
payments plus the attorney.
My wife just picked up a Saturn Aura last night. Let's see how this one
goes!
"Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
news:wvOdnSQ4-vQYkHPYnZ2dnUVZ_uGjnZ2d@comcast.com...
> That experience is unusual, but it does happen with any make, even
> Mercedes.
> Odyssey is a minivan, isn't it? I've got like 90,000 on my Civic, and I
> never did anything except for maintenance items and tires for it. I
> believe
> I have the original tires on the back. I still haven't figured out where
> the transmission level check is at.
>
> That arrogant attitude is bad. I've seen it too, in places where you
> would
> never expect it, like Dodge dealerships. ;^)
>
> Earle
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:XNadnRD8qva_lnPYnZ2dnUVZ_oGlnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> We leased a brand-new Honda Odessey a few years back. Imagine our suprise
>> when we found a ten-inch-wide puddle of oil under the engine when we
> pulled
>> out of the garage on the second day. It was in the shop a total of 4
>> weeks
>> in our first two months of ownership. Eventually they had to buy it back
>> under Michigan's lemon law because the dealership could never fix it.
>>
>> And the DVD player screen was all screwed up, too.
>>
>> Better engineered, maybe, maybe not. The arrogance of "This never happens
>> with Hondas" we encountered at every turn has put me off the brand for
> good.
>>
>> "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:LglHh.2880$tv6.2736@newssvr19.news.prodigy.ne t...
>> > yeah or toyota
>> >
>> > "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
>> > news:PpednVwBcYxwQ3DYnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> >> If you are willing to talk price/quality optimization, I submit that
>> >> Hondas
>> >> are the best engineered car in the world.
>> >>
>> >> Saludos,
>> >>
>> >> Earle
>> >>
>> >> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1173216259.971728.61600@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com...
>> >>> The word now is that DCX may split Chrysler (and certainly Jeep will
>> >>> go with it) off from its corporate structure.
>> >>>
>> >>> DCX has been a failure not because of Chrysler, but because of
>> >>> German
>> >>> management who refuse to make good on the idea under which the merger
>> >>> was founded...that the two would benefit from American manufacturing
>> >>> (cheaper than German and with good quality given good management, as
>> >>> the Japanese US plants and Saturn have proved) and branding and
>> >>> German
>> >>> engineering.
>> >>>
>> >>> Mechanically, the Mercedes Benz is mostly still the best engineered
>> >>> car in the world. Most of its issues have been electrical. But DCX
>> >>> has
>> >>> refused to take advantage of US design at all in its products (they
>> >>> should have bought Delphi when it was in trouble) and also refused to
>> >>> put the better pieces of Mercedes engineering in the US product,
>> >>> claiming it would dilute the exclusivity of Mercedes products.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
couldn't fix it the for the second time (within one month of taking
posession) we asked for a new car. The dealer refused and after the third
time we filed suit. The lemon law attorney had never had a car in for
service three times in the first 800 miles. Several months into the suit
they offered a new car, we declined. They ended up paying back all of our
payments plus the attorney.
My wife just picked up a Saturn Aura last night. Let's see how this one
goes!
"Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
news:wvOdnSQ4-vQYkHPYnZ2dnUVZ_uGjnZ2d@comcast.com...
> That experience is unusual, but it does happen with any make, even
> Mercedes.
> Odyssey is a minivan, isn't it? I've got like 90,000 on my Civic, and I
> never did anything except for maintenance items and tires for it. I
> believe
> I have the original tires on the back. I still haven't figured out where
> the transmission level check is at.
>
> That arrogant attitude is bad. I've seen it too, in places where you
> would
> never expect it, like Dodge dealerships. ;^)
>
> Earle
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:XNadnRD8qva_lnPYnZ2dnUVZ_oGlnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> We leased a brand-new Honda Odessey a few years back. Imagine our suprise
>> when we found a ten-inch-wide puddle of oil under the engine when we
> pulled
>> out of the garage on the second day. It was in the shop a total of 4
>> weeks
>> in our first two months of ownership. Eventually they had to buy it back
>> under Michigan's lemon law because the dealership could never fix it.
>>
>> And the DVD player screen was all screwed up, too.
>>
>> Better engineered, maybe, maybe not. The arrogance of "This never happens
>> with Hondas" we encountered at every turn has put me off the brand for
> good.
>>
>> "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:LglHh.2880$tv6.2736@newssvr19.news.prodigy.ne t...
>> > yeah or toyota
>> >
>> > "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
>> > news:PpednVwBcYxwQ3DYnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> >> If you are willing to talk price/quality optimization, I submit that
>> >> Hondas
>> >> are the best engineered car in the world.
>> >>
>> >> Saludos,
>> >>
>> >> Earle
>> >>
>> >> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1173216259.971728.61600@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com...
>> >>> The word now is that DCX may split Chrysler (and certainly Jeep will
>> >>> go with it) off from its corporate structure.
>> >>>
>> >>> DCX has been a failure not because of Chrysler, but because of
>> >>> German
>> >>> management who refuse to make good on the idea under which the merger
>> >>> was founded...that the two would benefit from American manufacturing
>> >>> (cheaper than German and with good quality given good management, as
>> >>> the Japanese US plants and Saturn have proved) and branding and
>> >>> German
>> >>> engineering.
>> >>>
>> >>> Mechanically, the Mercedes Benz is mostly still the best engineered
>> >>> car in the world. Most of its issues have been electrical. But DCX
>> >>> has
>> >>> refused to take advantage of US design at all in its products (they
>> >>> should have bought Delphi when it was in trouble) and also refused to
>> >>> put the better pieces of Mercedes engineering in the US product,
>> >>> claiming it would dilute the exclusivity of Mercedes products.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
03-06-2007, 11:22 PM
#42
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Chrysler may be sold
It was a great vehicle otherwise, the service just sucked. After they
couldn't fix it the for the second time (within one month of taking
posession) we asked for a new car. The dealer refused and after the third
time we filed suit. The lemon law attorney had never had a car in for
service three times in the first 800 miles. Several months into the suit
they offered a new car, we declined. They ended up paying back all of our
payments plus the attorney.
My wife just picked up a Saturn Aura last night. Let's see how this one
goes!
"Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
news:wvOdnSQ4-vQYkHPYnZ2dnUVZ_uGjnZ2d@comcast.com...
> That experience is unusual, but it does happen with any make, even
> Mercedes.
> Odyssey is a minivan, isn't it? I've got like 90,000 on my Civic, and I
> never did anything except for maintenance items and tires for it. I
> believe
> I have the original tires on the back. I still haven't figured out where
> the transmission level check is at.
>
> That arrogant attitude is bad. I've seen it too, in places where you
> would
> never expect it, like Dodge dealerships. ;^)
>
> Earle
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:XNadnRD8qva_lnPYnZ2dnUVZ_oGlnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> We leased a brand-new Honda Odessey a few years back. Imagine our suprise
>> when we found a ten-inch-wide puddle of oil under the engine when we
> pulled
>> out of the garage on the second day. It was in the shop a total of 4
>> weeks
>> in our first two months of ownership. Eventually they had to buy it back
>> under Michigan's lemon law because the dealership could never fix it.
>>
>> And the DVD player screen was all screwed up, too.
>>
>> Better engineered, maybe, maybe not. The arrogance of "This never happens
>> with Hondas" we encountered at every turn has put me off the brand for
> good.
>>
>> "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:LglHh.2880$tv6.2736@newssvr19.news.prodigy.ne t...
>> > yeah or toyota
>> >
>> > "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
>> > news:PpednVwBcYxwQ3DYnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> >> If you are willing to talk price/quality optimization, I submit that
>> >> Hondas
>> >> are the best engineered car in the world.
>> >>
>> >> Saludos,
>> >>
>> >> Earle
>> >>
>> >> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1173216259.971728.61600@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com...
>> >>> The word now is that DCX may split Chrysler (and certainly Jeep will
>> >>> go with it) off from its corporate structure.
>> >>>
>> >>> DCX has been a failure not because of Chrysler, but because of
>> >>> German
>> >>> management who refuse to make good on the idea under which the merger
>> >>> was founded...that the two would benefit from American manufacturing
>> >>> (cheaper than German and with good quality given good management, as
>> >>> the Japanese US plants and Saturn have proved) and branding and
>> >>> German
>> >>> engineering.
>> >>>
>> >>> Mechanically, the Mercedes Benz is mostly still the best engineered
>> >>> car in the world. Most of its issues have been electrical. But DCX
>> >>> has
>> >>> refused to take advantage of US design at all in its products (they
>> >>> should have bought Delphi when it was in trouble) and also refused to
>> >>> put the better pieces of Mercedes engineering in the US product,
>> >>> claiming it would dilute the exclusivity of Mercedes products.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
couldn't fix it the for the second time (within one month of taking
posession) we asked for a new car. The dealer refused and after the third
time we filed suit. The lemon law attorney had never had a car in for
service three times in the first 800 miles. Several months into the suit
they offered a new car, we declined. They ended up paying back all of our
payments plus the attorney.
My wife just picked up a Saturn Aura last night. Let's see how this one
goes!
"Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
news:wvOdnSQ4-vQYkHPYnZ2dnUVZ_uGjnZ2d@comcast.com...
> That experience is unusual, but it does happen with any make, even
> Mercedes.
> Odyssey is a minivan, isn't it? I've got like 90,000 on my Civic, and I
> never did anything except for maintenance items and tires for it. I
> believe
> I have the original tires on the back. I still haven't figured out where
> the transmission level check is at.
>
> That arrogant attitude is bad. I've seen it too, in places where you
> would
> never expect it, like Dodge dealerships. ;^)
>
> Earle
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:XNadnRD8qva_lnPYnZ2dnUVZ_oGlnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> We leased a brand-new Honda Odessey a few years back. Imagine our suprise
>> when we found a ten-inch-wide puddle of oil under the engine when we
> pulled
>> out of the garage on the second day. It was in the shop a total of 4
>> weeks
>> in our first two months of ownership. Eventually they had to buy it back
>> under Michigan's lemon law because the dealership could never fix it.
>>
>> And the DVD player screen was all screwed up, too.
>>
>> Better engineered, maybe, maybe not. The arrogance of "This never happens
>> with Hondas" we encountered at every turn has put me off the brand for
> good.
>>
>> "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:LglHh.2880$tv6.2736@newssvr19.news.prodigy.ne t...
>> > yeah or toyota
>> >
>> > "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
>> > news:PpednVwBcYxwQ3DYnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> >> If you are willing to talk price/quality optimization, I submit that
>> >> Hondas
>> >> are the best engineered car in the world.
>> >>
>> >> Saludos,
>> >>
>> >> Earle
>> >>
>> >> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1173216259.971728.61600@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com...
>> >>> The word now is that DCX may split Chrysler (and certainly Jeep will
>> >>> go with it) off from its corporate structure.
>> >>>
>> >>> DCX has been a failure not because of Chrysler, but because of
>> >>> German
>> >>> management who refuse to make good on the idea under which the merger
>> >>> was founded...that the two would benefit from American manufacturing
>> >>> (cheaper than German and with good quality given good management, as
>> >>> the Japanese US plants and Saturn have proved) and branding and
>> >>> German
>> >>> engineering.
>> >>>
>> >>> Mechanically, the Mercedes Benz is mostly still the best engineered
>> >>> car in the world. Most of its issues have been electrical. But DCX
>> >>> has
>> >>> refused to take advantage of US design at all in its products (they
>> >>> should have bought Delphi when it was in trouble) and also refused to
>> >>> put the better pieces of Mercedes engineering in the US product,
>> >>> claiming it would dilute the exclusivity of Mercedes products.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
03-06-2007, 11:22 PM
#43
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Chrysler may be sold
It was a great vehicle otherwise, the service just sucked. After they
couldn't fix it the for the second time (within one month of taking
posession) we asked for a new car. The dealer refused and after the third
time we filed suit. The lemon law attorney had never had a car in for
service three times in the first 800 miles. Several months into the suit
they offered a new car, we declined. They ended up paying back all of our
payments plus the attorney.
My wife just picked up a Saturn Aura last night. Let's see how this one
goes!
"Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
news:wvOdnSQ4-vQYkHPYnZ2dnUVZ_uGjnZ2d@comcast.com...
> That experience is unusual, but it does happen with any make, even
> Mercedes.
> Odyssey is a minivan, isn't it? I've got like 90,000 on my Civic, and I
> never did anything except for maintenance items and tires for it. I
> believe
> I have the original tires on the back. I still haven't figured out where
> the transmission level check is at.
>
> That arrogant attitude is bad. I've seen it too, in places where you
> would
> never expect it, like Dodge dealerships. ;^)
>
> Earle
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:XNadnRD8qva_lnPYnZ2dnUVZ_oGlnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> We leased a brand-new Honda Odessey a few years back. Imagine our suprise
>> when we found a ten-inch-wide puddle of oil under the engine when we
> pulled
>> out of the garage on the second day. It was in the shop a total of 4
>> weeks
>> in our first two months of ownership. Eventually they had to buy it back
>> under Michigan's lemon law because the dealership could never fix it.
>>
>> And the DVD player screen was all screwed up, too.
>>
>> Better engineered, maybe, maybe not. The arrogance of "This never happens
>> with Hondas" we encountered at every turn has put me off the brand for
> good.
>>
>> "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:LglHh.2880$tv6.2736@newssvr19.news.prodigy.ne t...
>> > yeah or toyota
>> >
>> > "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
>> > news:PpednVwBcYxwQ3DYnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> >> If you are willing to talk price/quality optimization, I submit that
>> >> Hondas
>> >> are the best engineered car in the world.
>> >>
>> >> Saludos,
>> >>
>> >> Earle
>> >>
>> >> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1173216259.971728.61600@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com...
>> >>> The word now is that DCX may split Chrysler (and certainly Jeep will
>> >>> go with it) off from its corporate structure.
>> >>>
>> >>> DCX has been a failure not because of Chrysler, but because of
>> >>> German
>> >>> management who refuse to make good on the idea under which the merger
>> >>> was founded...that the two would benefit from American manufacturing
>> >>> (cheaper than German and with good quality given good management, as
>> >>> the Japanese US plants and Saturn have proved) and branding and
>> >>> German
>> >>> engineering.
>> >>>
>> >>> Mechanically, the Mercedes Benz is mostly still the best engineered
>> >>> car in the world. Most of its issues have been electrical. But DCX
>> >>> has
>> >>> refused to take advantage of US design at all in its products (they
>> >>> should have bought Delphi when it was in trouble) and also refused to
>> >>> put the better pieces of Mercedes engineering in the US product,
>> >>> claiming it would dilute the exclusivity of Mercedes products.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
couldn't fix it the for the second time (within one month of taking
posession) we asked for a new car. The dealer refused and after the third
time we filed suit. The lemon law attorney had never had a car in for
service three times in the first 800 miles. Several months into the suit
they offered a new car, we declined. They ended up paying back all of our
payments plus the attorney.
My wife just picked up a Saturn Aura last night. Let's see how this one
goes!
"Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
news:wvOdnSQ4-vQYkHPYnZ2dnUVZ_uGjnZ2d@comcast.com...
> That experience is unusual, but it does happen with any make, even
> Mercedes.
> Odyssey is a minivan, isn't it? I've got like 90,000 on my Civic, and I
> never did anything except for maintenance items and tires for it. I
> believe
> I have the original tires on the back. I still haven't figured out where
> the transmission level check is at.
>
> That arrogant attitude is bad. I've seen it too, in places where you
> would
> never expect it, like Dodge dealerships. ;^)
>
> Earle
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:XNadnRD8qva_lnPYnZ2dnUVZ_oGlnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> We leased a brand-new Honda Odessey a few years back. Imagine our suprise
>> when we found a ten-inch-wide puddle of oil under the engine when we
> pulled
>> out of the garage on the second day. It was in the shop a total of 4
>> weeks
>> in our first two months of ownership. Eventually they had to buy it back
>> under Michigan's lemon law because the dealership could never fix it.
>>
>> And the DVD player screen was all screwed up, too.
>>
>> Better engineered, maybe, maybe not. The arrogance of "This never happens
>> with Hondas" we encountered at every turn has put me off the brand for
> good.
>>
>> "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:LglHh.2880$tv6.2736@newssvr19.news.prodigy.ne t...
>> > yeah or toyota
>> >
>> > "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
>> > news:PpednVwBcYxwQ3DYnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> >> If you are willing to talk price/quality optimization, I submit that
>> >> Hondas
>> >> are the best engineered car in the world.
>> >>
>> >> Saludos,
>> >>
>> >> Earle
>> >>
>> >> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1173216259.971728.61600@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com...
>> >>> The word now is that DCX may split Chrysler (and certainly Jeep will
>> >>> go with it) off from its corporate structure.
>> >>>
>> >>> DCX has been a failure not because of Chrysler, but because of
>> >>> German
>> >>> management who refuse to make good on the idea under which the merger
>> >>> was founded...that the two would benefit from American manufacturing
>> >>> (cheaper than German and with good quality given good management, as
>> >>> the Japanese US plants and Saturn have proved) and branding and
>> >>> German
>> >>> engineering.
>> >>>
>> >>> Mechanically, the Mercedes Benz is mostly still the best engineered
>> >>> car in the world. Most of its issues have been electrical. But DCX
>> >>> has
>> >>> refused to take advantage of US design at all in its products (they
>> >>> should have bought Delphi when it was in trouble) and also refused to
>> >>> put the better pieces of Mercedes engineering in the US product,
>> >>> claiming it would dilute the exclusivity of Mercedes products.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
03-06-2007, 11:38 PM
#44
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Chrysler may be sold
Wow, Matt.
From a Honda to a GM, you really are a glutton for punishment.
I do hope you have better luck with it though.
Spdloader
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:NvKdnYWEu9B4oHPYnZ2dnUVZ_tmknZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> It was a great vehicle otherwise, the service just sucked. After they
> couldn't fix it the for the second time (within one month of taking
> posession) we asked for a new car. The dealer refused and after the third
> time we filed suit. The lemon law attorney had never had a car in for
> service three times in the first 800 miles. Several months into the suit
> they offered a new car, we declined. They ended up paying back all of our
> payments plus the attorney.
>
> My wife just picked up a Saturn Aura last night. Let's see how this one
> goes!
>
> "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
> news:wvOdnSQ4-vQYkHPYnZ2dnUVZ_uGjnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> That experience is unusual, but it does happen with any make, even
>> Mercedes.
>> Odyssey is a minivan, isn't it? I've got like 90,000 on my Civic, and I
>> never did anything except for maintenance items and tires for it. I
>> believe
>> I have the original tires on the back. I still haven't figured out where
>> the transmission level check is at.
>>
>> That arrogant attitude is bad. I've seen it too, in places where you
>> would
>> never expect it, like Dodge dealerships. ;^)
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>> news:XNadnRD8qva_lnPYnZ2dnUVZ_oGlnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>> We leased a brand-new Honda Odessey a few years back. Imagine our
>>> suprise
>>> when we found a ten-inch-wide puddle of oil under the engine when we
>> pulled
>>> out of the garage on the second day. It was in the shop a total of 4
>>> weeks
>>> in our first two months of ownership. Eventually they had to buy it
>>> back
>>> under Michigan's lemon law because the dealership could never fix it.
>>>
>>> And the DVD player screen was all screwed up, too.
>>>
>>> Better engineered, maybe, maybe not. The arrogance of "This never
>>> happens
>>> with Hondas" we encountered at every turn has put me off the brand for
>> good.
>>>
>>> "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:LglHh.2880$tv6.2736@newssvr19.news.prodigy.ne t...
>>> > yeah or toyota
>>> >
>>> > "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
>>> > news:PpednVwBcYxwQ3DYnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>> >> If you are willing to talk price/quality optimization, I submit that
>>> >> Hondas
>>> >> are the best engineered car in the world.
>>> >>
>>> >> Saludos,
>>> >>
>>> >> Earle
>>> >>
>>> >> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> >> news:1173216259.971728.61600@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com...
>>> >>> The word now is that DCX may split Chrysler (and certainly Jeep will
>>> >>> go with it) off from its corporate structure.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> DCX has been a failure not because of Chrysler, but because of
>>> >>> German
>>> >>> management who refuse to make good on the idea under which the
>>> >>> merger
>>> >>> was founded...that the two would benefit from American manufacturing
>>> >>> (cheaper than German and with good quality given good management, as
>>> >>> the Japanese US plants and Saturn have proved) and branding and
>>> >>> German
>>> >>> engineering.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Mechanically, the Mercedes Benz is mostly still the best engineered
>>> >>> car in the world. Most of its issues have been electrical. But DCX
>>> >>> has
>>> >>> refused to take advantage of US design at all in its products (they
>>> >>> should have bought Delphi when it was in trouble) and also refused
>>> >>> to
>>> >>> put the better pieces of Mercedes engineering in the US product,
>>> >>> claiming it would dilute the exclusivity of Mercedes products.
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
From a Honda to a GM, you really are a glutton for punishment.
I do hope you have better luck with it though.
Spdloader
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:NvKdnYWEu9B4oHPYnZ2dnUVZ_tmknZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> It was a great vehicle otherwise, the service just sucked. After they
> couldn't fix it the for the second time (within one month of taking
> posession) we asked for a new car. The dealer refused and after the third
> time we filed suit. The lemon law attorney had never had a car in for
> service three times in the first 800 miles. Several months into the suit
> they offered a new car, we declined. They ended up paying back all of our
> payments plus the attorney.
>
> My wife just picked up a Saturn Aura last night. Let's see how this one
> goes!
>
> "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
> news:wvOdnSQ4-vQYkHPYnZ2dnUVZ_uGjnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> That experience is unusual, but it does happen with any make, even
>> Mercedes.
>> Odyssey is a minivan, isn't it? I've got like 90,000 on my Civic, and I
>> never did anything except for maintenance items and tires for it. I
>> believe
>> I have the original tires on the back. I still haven't figured out where
>> the transmission level check is at.
>>
>> That arrogant attitude is bad. I've seen it too, in places where you
>> would
>> never expect it, like Dodge dealerships. ;^)
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>> news:XNadnRD8qva_lnPYnZ2dnUVZ_oGlnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>> We leased a brand-new Honda Odessey a few years back. Imagine our
>>> suprise
>>> when we found a ten-inch-wide puddle of oil under the engine when we
>> pulled
>>> out of the garage on the second day. It was in the shop a total of 4
>>> weeks
>>> in our first two months of ownership. Eventually they had to buy it
>>> back
>>> under Michigan's lemon law because the dealership could never fix it.
>>>
>>> And the DVD player screen was all screwed up, too.
>>>
>>> Better engineered, maybe, maybe not. The arrogance of "This never
>>> happens
>>> with Hondas" we encountered at every turn has put me off the brand for
>> good.
>>>
>>> "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:LglHh.2880$tv6.2736@newssvr19.news.prodigy.ne t...
>>> > yeah or toyota
>>> >
>>> > "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
>>> > news:PpednVwBcYxwQ3DYnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>> >> If you are willing to talk price/quality optimization, I submit that
>>> >> Hondas
>>> >> are the best engineered car in the world.
>>> >>
>>> >> Saludos,
>>> >>
>>> >> Earle
>>> >>
>>> >> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> >> news:1173216259.971728.61600@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com...
>>> >>> The word now is that DCX may split Chrysler (and certainly Jeep will
>>> >>> go with it) off from its corporate structure.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> DCX has been a failure not because of Chrysler, but because of
>>> >>> German
>>> >>> management who refuse to make good on the idea under which the
>>> >>> merger
>>> >>> was founded...that the two would benefit from American manufacturing
>>> >>> (cheaper than German and with good quality given good management, as
>>> >>> the Japanese US plants and Saturn have proved) and branding and
>>> >>> German
>>> >>> engineering.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Mechanically, the Mercedes Benz is mostly still the best engineered
>>> >>> car in the world. Most of its issues have been electrical. But DCX
>>> >>> has
>>> >>> refused to take advantage of US design at all in its products (they
>>> >>> should have bought Delphi when it was in trouble) and also refused
>>> >>> to
>>> >>> put the better pieces of Mercedes engineering in the US product,
>>> >>> claiming it would dilute the exclusivity of Mercedes products.
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
03-06-2007, 11:38 PM
#45
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Chrysler may be sold
Wow, Matt.
From a Honda to a GM, you really are a glutton for punishment.
I do hope you have better luck with it though.
Spdloader
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:NvKdnYWEu9B4oHPYnZ2dnUVZ_tmknZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> It was a great vehicle otherwise, the service just sucked. After they
> couldn't fix it the for the second time (within one month of taking
> posession) we asked for a new car. The dealer refused and after the third
> time we filed suit. The lemon law attorney had never had a car in for
> service three times in the first 800 miles. Several months into the suit
> they offered a new car, we declined. They ended up paying back all of our
> payments plus the attorney.
>
> My wife just picked up a Saturn Aura last night. Let's see how this one
> goes!
>
> "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
> news:wvOdnSQ4-vQYkHPYnZ2dnUVZ_uGjnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> That experience is unusual, but it does happen with any make, even
>> Mercedes.
>> Odyssey is a minivan, isn't it? I've got like 90,000 on my Civic, and I
>> never did anything except for maintenance items and tires for it. I
>> believe
>> I have the original tires on the back. I still haven't figured out where
>> the transmission level check is at.
>>
>> That arrogant attitude is bad. I've seen it too, in places where you
>> would
>> never expect it, like Dodge dealerships. ;^)
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>> news:XNadnRD8qva_lnPYnZ2dnUVZ_oGlnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>> We leased a brand-new Honda Odessey a few years back. Imagine our
>>> suprise
>>> when we found a ten-inch-wide puddle of oil under the engine when we
>> pulled
>>> out of the garage on the second day. It was in the shop a total of 4
>>> weeks
>>> in our first two months of ownership. Eventually they had to buy it
>>> back
>>> under Michigan's lemon law because the dealership could never fix it.
>>>
>>> And the DVD player screen was all screwed up, too.
>>>
>>> Better engineered, maybe, maybe not. The arrogance of "This never
>>> happens
>>> with Hondas" we encountered at every turn has put me off the brand for
>> good.
>>>
>>> "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:LglHh.2880$tv6.2736@newssvr19.news.prodigy.ne t...
>>> > yeah or toyota
>>> >
>>> > "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
>>> > news:PpednVwBcYxwQ3DYnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>> >> If you are willing to talk price/quality optimization, I submit that
>>> >> Hondas
>>> >> are the best engineered car in the world.
>>> >>
>>> >> Saludos,
>>> >>
>>> >> Earle
>>> >>
>>> >> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> >> news:1173216259.971728.61600@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com...
>>> >>> The word now is that DCX may split Chrysler (and certainly Jeep will
>>> >>> go with it) off from its corporate structure.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> DCX has been a failure not because of Chrysler, but because of
>>> >>> German
>>> >>> management who refuse to make good on the idea under which the
>>> >>> merger
>>> >>> was founded...that the two would benefit from American manufacturing
>>> >>> (cheaper than German and with good quality given good management, as
>>> >>> the Japanese US plants and Saturn have proved) and branding and
>>> >>> German
>>> >>> engineering.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Mechanically, the Mercedes Benz is mostly still the best engineered
>>> >>> car in the world. Most of its issues have been electrical. But DCX
>>> >>> has
>>> >>> refused to take advantage of US design at all in its products (they
>>> >>> should have bought Delphi when it was in trouble) and also refused
>>> >>> to
>>> >>> put the better pieces of Mercedes engineering in the US product,
>>> >>> claiming it would dilute the exclusivity of Mercedes products.
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
From a Honda to a GM, you really are a glutton for punishment.
I do hope you have better luck with it though.
Spdloader
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:NvKdnYWEu9B4oHPYnZ2dnUVZ_tmknZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> It was a great vehicle otherwise, the service just sucked. After they
> couldn't fix it the for the second time (within one month of taking
> posession) we asked for a new car. The dealer refused and after the third
> time we filed suit. The lemon law attorney had never had a car in for
> service three times in the first 800 miles. Several months into the suit
> they offered a new car, we declined. They ended up paying back all of our
> payments plus the attorney.
>
> My wife just picked up a Saturn Aura last night. Let's see how this one
> goes!
>
> "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
> news:wvOdnSQ4-vQYkHPYnZ2dnUVZ_uGjnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> That experience is unusual, but it does happen with any make, even
>> Mercedes.
>> Odyssey is a minivan, isn't it? I've got like 90,000 on my Civic, and I
>> never did anything except for maintenance items and tires for it. I
>> believe
>> I have the original tires on the back. I still haven't figured out where
>> the transmission level check is at.
>>
>> That arrogant attitude is bad. I've seen it too, in places where you
>> would
>> never expect it, like Dodge dealerships. ;^)
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>> news:XNadnRD8qva_lnPYnZ2dnUVZ_oGlnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>> We leased a brand-new Honda Odessey a few years back. Imagine our
>>> suprise
>>> when we found a ten-inch-wide puddle of oil under the engine when we
>> pulled
>>> out of the garage on the second day. It was in the shop a total of 4
>>> weeks
>>> in our first two months of ownership. Eventually they had to buy it
>>> back
>>> under Michigan's lemon law because the dealership could never fix it.
>>>
>>> And the DVD player screen was all screwed up, too.
>>>
>>> Better engineered, maybe, maybe not. The arrogance of "This never
>>> happens
>>> with Hondas" we encountered at every turn has put me off the brand for
>> good.
>>>
>>> "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:LglHh.2880$tv6.2736@newssvr19.news.prodigy.ne t...
>>> > yeah or toyota
>>> >
>>> > "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
>>> > news:PpednVwBcYxwQ3DYnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>> >> If you are willing to talk price/quality optimization, I submit that
>>> >> Hondas
>>> >> are the best engineered car in the world.
>>> >>
>>> >> Saludos,
>>> >>
>>> >> Earle
>>> >>
>>> >> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> >> news:1173216259.971728.61600@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com...
>>> >>> The word now is that DCX may split Chrysler (and certainly Jeep will
>>> >>> go with it) off from its corporate structure.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> DCX has been a failure not because of Chrysler, but because of
>>> >>> German
>>> >>> management who refuse to make good on the idea under which the
>>> >>> merger
>>> >>> was founded...that the two would benefit from American manufacturing
>>> >>> (cheaper than German and with good quality given good management, as
>>> >>> the Japanese US plants and Saturn have proved) and branding and
>>> >>> German
>>> >>> engineering.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Mechanically, the Mercedes Benz is mostly still the best engineered
>>> >>> car in the world. Most of its issues have been electrical. But DCX
>>> >>> has
>>> >>> refused to take advantage of US design at all in its products (they
>>> >>> should have bought Delphi when it was in trouble) and also refused
>>> >>> to
>>> >>> put the better pieces of Mercedes engineering in the US product,
>>> >>> claiming it would dilute the exclusivity of Mercedes products.
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
03-06-2007, 11:38 PM
#46
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Chrysler may be sold
Wow, Matt.
From a Honda to a GM, you really are a glutton for punishment.
I do hope you have better luck with it though.
Spdloader
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:NvKdnYWEu9B4oHPYnZ2dnUVZ_tmknZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> It was a great vehicle otherwise, the service just sucked. After they
> couldn't fix it the for the second time (within one month of taking
> posession) we asked for a new car. The dealer refused and after the third
> time we filed suit. The lemon law attorney had never had a car in for
> service three times in the first 800 miles. Several months into the suit
> they offered a new car, we declined. They ended up paying back all of our
> payments plus the attorney.
>
> My wife just picked up a Saturn Aura last night. Let's see how this one
> goes!
>
> "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
> news:wvOdnSQ4-vQYkHPYnZ2dnUVZ_uGjnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> That experience is unusual, but it does happen with any make, even
>> Mercedes.
>> Odyssey is a minivan, isn't it? I've got like 90,000 on my Civic, and I
>> never did anything except for maintenance items and tires for it. I
>> believe
>> I have the original tires on the back. I still haven't figured out where
>> the transmission level check is at.
>>
>> That arrogant attitude is bad. I've seen it too, in places where you
>> would
>> never expect it, like Dodge dealerships. ;^)
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>> news:XNadnRD8qva_lnPYnZ2dnUVZ_oGlnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>> We leased a brand-new Honda Odessey a few years back. Imagine our
>>> suprise
>>> when we found a ten-inch-wide puddle of oil under the engine when we
>> pulled
>>> out of the garage on the second day. It was in the shop a total of 4
>>> weeks
>>> in our first two months of ownership. Eventually they had to buy it
>>> back
>>> under Michigan's lemon law because the dealership could never fix it.
>>>
>>> And the DVD player screen was all screwed up, too.
>>>
>>> Better engineered, maybe, maybe not. The arrogance of "This never
>>> happens
>>> with Hondas" we encountered at every turn has put me off the brand for
>> good.
>>>
>>> "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:LglHh.2880$tv6.2736@newssvr19.news.prodigy.ne t...
>>> > yeah or toyota
>>> >
>>> > "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
>>> > news:PpednVwBcYxwQ3DYnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>> >> If you are willing to talk price/quality optimization, I submit that
>>> >> Hondas
>>> >> are the best engineered car in the world.
>>> >>
>>> >> Saludos,
>>> >>
>>> >> Earle
>>> >>
>>> >> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> >> news:1173216259.971728.61600@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com...
>>> >>> The word now is that DCX may split Chrysler (and certainly Jeep will
>>> >>> go with it) off from its corporate structure.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> DCX has been a failure not because of Chrysler, but because of
>>> >>> German
>>> >>> management who refuse to make good on the idea under which the
>>> >>> merger
>>> >>> was founded...that the two would benefit from American manufacturing
>>> >>> (cheaper than German and with good quality given good management, as
>>> >>> the Japanese US plants and Saturn have proved) and branding and
>>> >>> German
>>> >>> engineering.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Mechanically, the Mercedes Benz is mostly still the best engineered
>>> >>> car in the world. Most of its issues have been electrical. But DCX
>>> >>> has
>>> >>> refused to take advantage of US design at all in its products (they
>>> >>> should have bought Delphi when it was in trouble) and also refused
>>> >>> to
>>> >>> put the better pieces of Mercedes engineering in the US product,
>>> >>> claiming it would dilute the exclusivity of Mercedes products.
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
From a Honda to a GM, you really are a glutton for punishment.
I do hope you have better luck with it though.
Spdloader
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:NvKdnYWEu9B4oHPYnZ2dnUVZ_tmknZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> It was a great vehicle otherwise, the service just sucked. After they
> couldn't fix it the for the second time (within one month of taking
> posession) we asked for a new car. The dealer refused and after the third
> time we filed suit. The lemon law attorney had never had a car in for
> service three times in the first 800 miles. Several months into the suit
> they offered a new car, we declined. They ended up paying back all of our
> payments plus the attorney.
>
> My wife just picked up a Saturn Aura last night. Let's see how this one
> goes!
>
> "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
> news:wvOdnSQ4-vQYkHPYnZ2dnUVZ_uGjnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> That experience is unusual, but it does happen with any make, even
>> Mercedes.
>> Odyssey is a minivan, isn't it? I've got like 90,000 on my Civic, and I
>> never did anything except for maintenance items and tires for it. I
>> believe
>> I have the original tires on the back. I still haven't figured out where
>> the transmission level check is at.
>>
>> That arrogant attitude is bad. I've seen it too, in places where you
>> would
>> never expect it, like Dodge dealerships. ;^)
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>> news:XNadnRD8qva_lnPYnZ2dnUVZ_oGlnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>> We leased a brand-new Honda Odessey a few years back. Imagine our
>>> suprise
>>> when we found a ten-inch-wide puddle of oil under the engine when we
>> pulled
>>> out of the garage on the second day. It was in the shop a total of 4
>>> weeks
>>> in our first two months of ownership. Eventually they had to buy it
>>> back
>>> under Michigan's lemon law because the dealership could never fix it.
>>>
>>> And the DVD player screen was all screwed up, too.
>>>
>>> Better engineered, maybe, maybe not. The arrogance of "This never
>>> happens
>>> with Hondas" we encountered at every turn has put me off the brand for
>> good.
>>>
>>> "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:LglHh.2880$tv6.2736@newssvr19.news.prodigy.ne t...
>>> > yeah or toyota
>>> >
>>> > "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
>>> > news:PpednVwBcYxwQ3DYnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>> >> If you are willing to talk price/quality optimization, I submit that
>>> >> Hondas
>>> >> are the best engineered car in the world.
>>> >>
>>> >> Saludos,
>>> >>
>>> >> Earle
>>> >>
>>> >> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> >> news:1173216259.971728.61600@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com...
>>> >>> The word now is that DCX may split Chrysler (and certainly Jeep will
>>> >>> go with it) off from its corporate structure.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> DCX has been a failure not because of Chrysler, but because of
>>> >>> German
>>> >>> management who refuse to make good on the idea under which the
>>> >>> merger
>>> >>> was founded...that the two would benefit from American manufacturing
>>> >>> (cheaper than German and with good quality given good management, as
>>> >>> the Japanese US plants and Saturn have proved) and branding and
>>> >>> German
>>> >>> engineering.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Mechanically, the Mercedes Benz is mostly still the best engineered
>>> >>> car in the world. Most of its issues have been electrical. But DCX
>>> >>> has
>>> >>> refused to take advantage of US design at all in its products (they
>>> >>> should have bought Delphi when it was in trouble) and also refused
>>> >>> to
>>> >>> put the better pieces of Mercedes engineering in the US product,
>>> >>> claiming it would dilute the exclusivity of Mercedes products.
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
03-06-2007, 11:50 PM
#47
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Chrysler may be sold
You never get back the PITA factor though. Sounds like Lady Luck had it out
for you that time. I worked on Honda automobiles back when they were two
cylinder air cooled and it was amazing the abuse they would take. The first
Civics were pretty tough too. I would like to get one but I doubt there is
a complete body to be found in the entire continent.
Earle
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:NvKdnYWEu9B4oHPYnZ2dnUVZ_tmknZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> It was a great vehicle otherwise, the service just sucked. After they
> couldn't fix it the for the second time (within one month of taking
> posession) we asked for a new car. The dealer refused and after the third
> time we filed suit. The lemon law attorney had never had a car in for
> service three times in the first 800 miles. Several months into the suit
> they offered a new car, we declined. They ended up paying back all of our
> payments plus the attorney.
>
> My wife just picked up a Saturn Aura last night. Let's see how this one
> goes!
>
> "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
> news:wvOdnSQ4-vQYkHPYnZ2dnUVZ_uGjnZ2d@comcast.com...
> > That experience is unusual, but it does happen with any make, even
> > Mercedes.
> > Odyssey is a minivan, isn't it? I've got like 90,000 on my Civic, and I
> > never did anything except for maintenance items and tires for it. I
> > believe
> > I have the original tires on the back. I still haven't figured out
where
> > the transmission level check is at.
> >
> > That arrogant attitude is bad. I've seen it too, in places where you
> > would
> > never expect it, like Dodge dealerships. ;^)
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> > news:XNadnRD8qva_lnPYnZ2dnUVZ_oGlnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >> We leased a brand-new Honda Odessey a few years back. Imagine our
suprise
> >> when we found a ten-inch-wide puddle of oil under the engine when we
> > pulled
> >> out of the garage on the second day. It was in the shop a total of 4
> >> weeks
> >> in our first two months of ownership. Eventually they had to buy it
back
> >> under Michigan's lemon law because the dealership could never fix it.
> >>
> >> And the DVD player screen was all screwed up, too.
> >>
> >> Better engineered, maybe, maybe not. The arrogance of "This never
happens
> >> with Hondas" we encountered at every turn has put me off the brand for
> > good.
> >>
> >> "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >> news:LglHh.2880$tv6.2736@newssvr19.news.prodigy.ne t...
> >> > yeah or toyota
> >> >
> >> > "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
> >> > news:PpednVwBcYxwQ3DYnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >> >> If you are willing to talk price/quality optimization, I submit that
> >> >> Hondas
> >> >> are the best engineered car in the world.
> >> >>
> >> >> Saludos,
> >> >>
> >> >> Earle
> >> >>
> >> >> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:1173216259.971728.61600@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com...
> >> >>> The word now is that DCX may split Chrysler (and certainly Jeep
will
> >> >>> go with it) off from its corporate structure.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> DCX has been a failure not because of Chrysler, but because of
> >> >>> German
> >> >>> management who refuse to make good on the idea under which the
merger
> >> >>> was founded...that the two would benefit from American
manufacturing
> >> >>> (cheaper than German and with good quality given good management,
as
> >> >>> the Japanese US plants and Saturn have proved) and branding and
> >> >>> German
> >> >>> engineering.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Mechanically, the Mercedes Benz is mostly still the best
engineered
> >> >>> car in the world. Most of its issues have been electrical. But DCX
> >> >>> has
> >> >>> refused to take advantage of US design at all in its products (they
> >> >>> should have bought Delphi when it was in trouble) and also refused
to
> >> >>> put the better pieces of Mercedes engineering in the US product,
> >> >>> claiming it would dilute the exclusivity of Mercedes products.
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
for you that time. I worked on Honda automobiles back when they were two
cylinder air cooled and it was amazing the abuse they would take. The first
Civics were pretty tough too. I would like to get one but I doubt there is
a complete body to be found in the entire continent.
Earle
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:NvKdnYWEu9B4oHPYnZ2dnUVZ_tmknZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> It was a great vehicle otherwise, the service just sucked. After they
> couldn't fix it the for the second time (within one month of taking
> posession) we asked for a new car. The dealer refused and after the third
> time we filed suit. The lemon law attorney had never had a car in for
> service three times in the first 800 miles. Several months into the suit
> they offered a new car, we declined. They ended up paying back all of our
> payments plus the attorney.
>
> My wife just picked up a Saturn Aura last night. Let's see how this one
> goes!
>
> "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
> news:wvOdnSQ4-vQYkHPYnZ2dnUVZ_uGjnZ2d@comcast.com...
> > That experience is unusual, but it does happen with any make, even
> > Mercedes.
> > Odyssey is a minivan, isn't it? I've got like 90,000 on my Civic, and I
> > never did anything except for maintenance items and tires for it. I
> > believe
> > I have the original tires on the back. I still haven't figured out
where
> > the transmission level check is at.
> >
> > That arrogant attitude is bad. I've seen it too, in places where you
> > would
> > never expect it, like Dodge dealerships. ;^)
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> > news:XNadnRD8qva_lnPYnZ2dnUVZ_oGlnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >> We leased a brand-new Honda Odessey a few years back. Imagine our
suprise
> >> when we found a ten-inch-wide puddle of oil under the engine when we
> > pulled
> >> out of the garage on the second day. It was in the shop a total of 4
> >> weeks
> >> in our first two months of ownership. Eventually they had to buy it
back
> >> under Michigan's lemon law because the dealership could never fix it.
> >>
> >> And the DVD player screen was all screwed up, too.
> >>
> >> Better engineered, maybe, maybe not. The arrogance of "This never
happens
> >> with Hondas" we encountered at every turn has put me off the brand for
> > good.
> >>
> >> "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >> news:LglHh.2880$tv6.2736@newssvr19.news.prodigy.ne t...
> >> > yeah or toyota
> >> >
> >> > "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
> >> > news:PpednVwBcYxwQ3DYnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >> >> If you are willing to talk price/quality optimization, I submit that
> >> >> Hondas
> >> >> are the best engineered car in the world.
> >> >>
> >> >> Saludos,
> >> >>
> >> >> Earle
> >> >>
> >> >> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:1173216259.971728.61600@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com...
> >> >>> The word now is that DCX may split Chrysler (and certainly Jeep
will
> >> >>> go with it) off from its corporate structure.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> DCX has been a failure not because of Chrysler, but because of
> >> >>> German
> >> >>> management who refuse to make good on the idea under which the
merger
> >> >>> was founded...that the two would benefit from American
manufacturing
> >> >>> (cheaper than German and with good quality given good management,
as
> >> >>> the Japanese US plants and Saturn have proved) and branding and
> >> >>> German
> >> >>> engineering.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Mechanically, the Mercedes Benz is mostly still the best
engineered
> >> >>> car in the world. Most of its issues have been electrical. But DCX
> >> >>> has
> >> >>> refused to take advantage of US design at all in its products (they
> >> >>> should have bought Delphi when it was in trouble) and also refused
to
> >> >>> put the better pieces of Mercedes engineering in the US product,
> >> >>> claiming it would dilute the exclusivity of Mercedes products.
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
03-06-2007, 11:50 PM
#48
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Chrysler may be sold
You never get back the PITA factor though. Sounds like Lady Luck had it out
for you that time. I worked on Honda automobiles back when they were two
cylinder air cooled and it was amazing the abuse they would take. The first
Civics were pretty tough too. I would like to get one but I doubt there is
a complete body to be found in the entire continent.
Earle
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:NvKdnYWEu9B4oHPYnZ2dnUVZ_tmknZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> It was a great vehicle otherwise, the service just sucked. After they
> couldn't fix it the for the second time (within one month of taking
> posession) we asked for a new car. The dealer refused and after the third
> time we filed suit. The lemon law attorney had never had a car in for
> service three times in the first 800 miles. Several months into the suit
> they offered a new car, we declined. They ended up paying back all of our
> payments plus the attorney.
>
> My wife just picked up a Saturn Aura last night. Let's see how this one
> goes!
>
> "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
> news:wvOdnSQ4-vQYkHPYnZ2dnUVZ_uGjnZ2d@comcast.com...
> > That experience is unusual, but it does happen with any make, even
> > Mercedes.
> > Odyssey is a minivan, isn't it? I've got like 90,000 on my Civic, and I
> > never did anything except for maintenance items and tires for it. I
> > believe
> > I have the original tires on the back. I still haven't figured out
where
> > the transmission level check is at.
> >
> > That arrogant attitude is bad. I've seen it too, in places where you
> > would
> > never expect it, like Dodge dealerships. ;^)
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> > news:XNadnRD8qva_lnPYnZ2dnUVZ_oGlnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >> We leased a brand-new Honda Odessey a few years back. Imagine our
suprise
> >> when we found a ten-inch-wide puddle of oil under the engine when we
> > pulled
> >> out of the garage on the second day. It was in the shop a total of 4
> >> weeks
> >> in our first two months of ownership. Eventually they had to buy it
back
> >> under Michigan's lemon law because the dealership could never fix it.
> >>
> >> And the DVD player screen was all screwed up, too.
> >>
> >> Better engineered, maybe, maybe not. The arrogance of "This never
happens
> >> with Hondas" we encountered at every turn has put me off the brand for
> > good.
> >>
> >> "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >> news:LglHh.2880$tv6.2736@newssvr19.news.prodigy.ne t...
> >> > yeah or toyota
> >> >
> >> > "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
> >> > news:PpednVwBcYxwQ3DYnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >> >> If you are willing to talk price/quality optimization, I submit that
> >> >> Hondas
> >> >> are the best engineered car in the world.
> >> >>
> >> >> Saludos,
> >> >>
> >> >> Earle
> >> >>
> >> >> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:1173216259.971728.61600@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com...
> >> >>> The word now is that DCX may split Chrysler (and certainly Jeep
will
> >> >>> go with it) off from its corporate structure.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> DCX has been a failure not because of Chrysler, but because of
> >> >>> German
> >> >>> management who refuse to make good on the idea under which the
merger
> >> >>> was founded...that the two would benefit from American
manufacturing
> >> >>> (cheaper than German and with good quality given good management,
as
> >> >>> the Japanese US plants and Saturn have proved) and branding and
> >> >>> German
> >> >>> engineering.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Mechanically, the Mercedes Benz is mostly still the best
engineered
> >> >>> car in the world. Most of its issues have been electrical. But DCX
> >> >>> has
> >> >>> refused to take advantage of US design at all in its products (they
> >> >>> should have bought Delphi when it was in trouble) and also refused
to
> >> >>> put the better pieces of Mercedes engineering in the US product,
> >> >>> claiming it would dilute the exclusivity of Mercedes products.
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
for you that time. I worked on Honda automobiles back when they were two
cylinder air cooled and it was amazing the abuse they would take. The first
Civics were pretty tough too. I would like to get one but I doubt there is
a complete body to be found in the entire continent.
Earle
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:NvKdnYWEu9B4oHPYnZ2dnUVZ_tmknZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> It was a great vehicle otherwise, the service just sucked. After they
> couldn't fix it the for the second time (within one month of taking
> posession) we asked for a new car. The dealer refused and after the third
> time we filed suit. The lemon law attorney had never had a car in for
> service three times in the first 800 miles. Several months into the suit
> they offered a new car, we declined. They ended up paying back all of our
> payments plus the attorney.
>
> My wife just picked up a Saturn Aura last night. Let's see how this one
> goes!
>
> "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
> news:wvOdnSQ4-vQYkHPYnZ2dnUVZ_uGjnZ2d@comcast.com...
> > That experience is unusual, but it does happen with any make, even
> > Mercedes.
> > Odyssey is a minivan, isn't it? I've got like 90,000 on my Civic, and I
> > never did anything except for maintenance items and tires for it. I
> > believe
> > I have the original tires on the back. I still haven't figured out
where
> > the transmission level check is at.
> >
> > That arrogant attitude is bad. I've seen it too, in places where you
> > would
> > never expect it, like Dodge dealerships. ;^)
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> > news:XNadnRD8qva_lnPYnZ2dnUVZ_oGlnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >> We leased a brand-new Honda Odessey a few years back. Imagine our
suprise
> >> when we found a ten-inch-wide puddle of oil under the engine when we
> > pulled
> >> out of the garage on the second day. It was in the shop a total of 4
> >> weeks
> >> in our first two months of ownership. Eventually they had to buy it
back
> >> under Michigan's lemon law because the dealership could never fix it.
> >>
> >> And the DVD player screen was all screwed up, too.
> >>
> >> Better engineered, maybe, maybe not. The arrogance of "This never
happens
> >> with Hondas" we encountered at every turn has put me off the brand for
> > good.
> >>
> >> "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >> news:LglHh.2880$tv6.2736@newssvr19.news.prodigy.ne t...
> >> > yeah or toyota
> >> >
> >> > "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
> >> > news:PpednVwBcYxwQ3DYnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >> >> If you are willing to talk price/quality optimization, I submit that
> >> >> Hondas
> >> >> are the best engineered car in the world.
> >> >>
> >> >> Saludos,
> >> >>
> >> >> Earle
> >> >>
> >> >> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:1173216259.971728.61600@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com...
> >> >>> The word now is that DCX may split Chrysler (and certainly Jeep
will
> >> >>> go with it) off from its corporate structure.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> DCX has been a failure not because of Chrysler, but because of
> >> >>> German
> >> >>> management who refuse to make good on the idea under which the
merger
> >> >>> was founded...that the two would benefit from American
manufacturing
> >> >>> (cheaper than German and with good quality given good management,
as
> >> >>> the Japanese US plants and Saturn have proved) and branding and
> >> >>> German
> >> >>> engineering.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Mechanically, the Mercedes Benz is mostly still the best
engineered
> >> >>> car in the world. Most of its issues have been electrical. But DCX
> >> >>> has
> >> >>> refused to take advantage of US design at all in its products (they
> >> >>> should have bought Delphi when it was in trouble) and also refused
to
> >> >>> put the better pieces of Mercedes engineering in the US product,
> >> >>> claiming it would dilute the exclusivity of Mercedes products.
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
03-06-2007, 11:50 PM
#49
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Chrysler may be sold
You never get back the PITA factor though. Sounds like Lady Luck had it out
for you that time. I worked on Honda automobiles back when they were two
cylinder air cooled and it was amazing the abuse they would take. The first
Civics were pretty tough too. I would like to get one but I doubt there is
a complete body to be found in the entire continent.
Earle
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:NvKdnYWEu9B4oHPYnZ2dnUVZ_tmknZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> It was a great vehicle otherwise, the service just sucked. After they
> couldn't fix it the for the second time (within one month of taking
> posession) we asked for a new car. The dealer refused and after the third
> time we filed suit. The lemon law attorney had never had a car in for
> service three times in the first 800 miles. Several months into the suit
> they offered a new car, we declined. They ended up paying back all of our
> payments plus the attorney.
>
> My wife just picked up a Saturn Aura last night. Let's see how this one
> goes!
>
> "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
> news:wvOdnSQ4-vQYkHPYnZ2dnUVZ_uGjnZ2d@comcast.com...
> > That experience is unusual, but it does happen with any make, even
> > Mercedes.
> > Odyssey is a minivan, isn't it? I've got like 90,000 on my Civic, and I
> > never did anything except for maintenance items and tires for it. I
> > believe
> > I have the original tires on the back. I still haven't figured out
where
> > the transmission level check is at.
> >
> > That arrogant attitude is bad. I've seen it too, in places where you
> > would
> > never expect it, like Dodge dealerships. ;^)
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> > news:XNadnRD8qva_lnPYnZ2dnUVZ_oGlnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >> We leased a brand-new Honda Odessey a few years back. Imagine our
suprise
> >> when we found a ten-inch-wide puddle of oil under the engine when we
> > pulled
> >> out of the garage on the second day. It was in the shop a total of 4
> >> weeks
> >> in our first two months of ownership. Eventually they had to buy it
back
> >> under Michigan's lemon law because the dealership could never fix it.
> >>
> >> And the DVD player screen was all screwed up, too.
> >>
> >> Better engineered, maybe, maybe not. The arrogance of "This never
happens
> >> with Hondas" we encountered at every turn has put me off the brand for
> > good.
> >>
> >> "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >> news:LglHh.2880$tv6.2736@newssvr19.news.prodigy.ne t...
> >> > yeah or toyota
> >> >
> >> > "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
> >> > news:PpednVwBcYxwQ3DYnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >> >> If you are willing to talk price/quality optimization, I submit that
> >> >> Hondas
> >> >> are the best engineered car in the world.
> >> >>
> >> >> Saludos,
> >> >>
> >> >> Earle
> >> >>
> >> >> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:1173216259.971728.61600@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com...
> >> >>> The word now is that DCX may split Chrysler (and certainly Jeep
will
> >> >>> go with it) off from its corporate structure.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> DCX has been a failure not because of Chrysler, but because of
> >> >>> German
> >> >>> management who refuse to make good on the idea under which the
merger
> >> >>> was founded...that the two would benefit from American
manufacturing
> >> >>> (cheaper than German and with good quality given good management,
as
> >> >>> the Japanese US plants and Saturn have proved) and branding and
> >> >>> German
> >> >>> engineering.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Mechanically, the Mercedes Benz is mostly still the best
engineered
> >> >>> car in the world. Most of its issues have been electrical. But DCX
> >> >>> has
> >> >>> refused to take advantage of US design at all in its products (they
> >> >>> should have bought Delphi when it was in trouble) and also refused
to
> >> >>> put the better pieces of Mercedes engineering in the US product,
> >> >>> claiming it would dilute the exclusivity of Mercedes products.
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
for you that time. I worked on Honda automobiles back when they were two
cylinder air cooled and it was amazing the abuse they would take. The first
Civics were pretty tough too. I would like to get one but I doubt there is
a complete body to be found in the entire continent.
Earle
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:NvKdnYWEu9B4oHPYnZ2dnUVZ_tmknZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> It was a great vehicle otherwise, the service just sucked. After they
> couldn't fix it the for the second time (within one month of taking
> posession) we asked for a new car. The dealer refused and after the third
> time we filed suit. The lemon law attorney had never had a car in for
> service three times in the first 800 miles. Several months into the suit
> they offered a new car, we declined. They ended up paying back all of our
> payments plus the attorney.
>
> My wife just picked up a Saturn Aura last night. Let's see how this one
> goes!
>
> "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
> news:wvOdnSQ4-vQYkHPYnZ2dnUVZ_uGjnZ2d@comcast.com...
> > That experience is unusual, but it does happen with any make, even
> > Mercedes.
> > Odyssey is a minivan, isn't it? I've got like 90,000 on my Civic, and I
> > never did anything except for maintenance items and tires for it. I
> > believe
> > I have the original tires on the back. I still haven't figured out
where
> > the transmission level check is at.
> >
> > That arrogant attitude is bad. I've seen it too, in places where you
> > would
> > never expect it, like Dodge dealerships. ;^)
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> > news:XNadnRD8qva_lnPYnZ2dnUVZ_oGlnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >> We leased a brand-new Honda Odessey a few years back. Imagine our
suprise
> >> when we found a ten-inch-wide puddle of oil under the engine when we
> > pulled
> >> out of the garage on the second day. It was in the shop a total of 4
> >> weeks
> >> in our first two months of ownership. Eventually they had to buy it
back
> >> under Michigan's lemon law because the dealership could never fix it.
> >>
> >> And the DVD player screen was all screwed up, too.
> >>
> >> Better engineered, maybe, maybe not. The arrogance of "This never
happens
> >> with Hondas" we encountered at every turn has put me off the brand for
> > good.
> >>
> >> "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >> news:LglHh.2880$tv6.2736@newssvr19.news.prodigy.ne t...
> >> > yeah or toyota
> >> >
> >> > "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
> >> > news:PpednVwBcYxwQ3DYnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >> >> If you are willing to talk price/quality optimization, I submit that
> >> >> Hondas
> >> >> are the best engineered car in the world.
> >> >>
> >> >> Saludos,
> >> >>
> >> >> Earle
> >> >>
> >> >> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:1173216259.971728.61600@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com...
> >> >>> The word now is that DCX may split Chrysler (and certainly Jeep
will
> >> >>> go with it) off from its corporate structure.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> DCX has been a failure not because of Chrysler, but because of
> >> >>> German
> >> >>> management who refuse to make good on the idea under which the
merger
> >> >>> was founded...that the two would benefit from American
manufacturing
> >> >>> (cheaper than German and with good quality given good management,
as
> >> >>> the Japanese US plants and Saturn have proved) and branding and
> >> >>> German
> >> >>> engineering.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Mechanically, the Mercedes Benz is mostly still the best
engineered
> >> >>> car in the world. Most of its issues have been electrical. But DCX
> >> >>> has
> >> >>> refused to take advantage of US design at all in its products (they
> >> >>> should have bought Delphi when it was in trouble) and also refused
to
> >> >>> put the better pieces of Mercedes engineering in the US product,
> >> >>> claiming it would dilute the exclusivity of Mercedes products.
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
03-07-2007, 08:27 AM
#50
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Chrysler may be sold
Well, we can bring it back in 30 days at least. So far so good, no oil on
the garage floor... :-)
The Honda epsidode was a few years ago, we replaced it with a Ford Freestar
whose lease ran out last year, replaced that with an Excursion, which also
replaced my F250. The Excursion is the best family hauler we've ever had. I
don't feel shoehorned into it (6'4" 255 lb) and it carries the family and
tows the Jeep like it's not there.
This is the first time in 10 years we didn't get a Ford product for a new
car, (excluding Jeeps) but the Ford Edge was just too darned expensive and
we wanted something for the wife with decent mileage and a decent lease
payment. A friend/client of ours was on the Edge development team and she
was really trying to sell it to us, unfortunately she doesn't set the
prices.
"Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
news:45ee41ac$0$8987$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Wow, Matt.
> From a Honda to a GM, you really are a glutton for punishment.
> I do hope you have better luck with it though.
>
> Spdloader
>
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:NvKdnYWEu9B4oHPYnZ2dnUVZ_tmknZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> It was a great vehicle otherwise, the service just sucked. After they
>> couldn't fix it the for the second time (within one month of taking
>> posession) we asked for a new car. The dealer refused and after the third
>> time we filed suit. The lemon law attorney had never had a car in for
>> service three times in the first 800 miles. Several months into the suit
>> they offered a new car, we declined. They ended up paying back all of our
>> payments plus the attorney.
>>
>> My wife just picked up a Saturn Aura last night. Let's see how this one
>> goes!
>>
>> "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
>> news:wvOdnSQ4-vQYkHPYnZ2dnUVZ_uGjnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> That experience is unusual, but it does happen with any make, even
>>> Mercedes.
>>> Odyssey is a minivan, isn't it? I've got like 90,000 on my Civic, and I
>>> never did anything except for maintenance items and tires for it. I
>>> believe
>>> I have the original tires on the back. I still haven't figured out
>>> where
>>> the transmission level check is at.
>>>
>>> That arrogant attitude is bad. I've seen it too, in places where you
>>> would
>>> never expect it, like Dodge dealerships. ;^)
>>>
>>> Earle
>>>
>>> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>>> news:XNadnRD8qva_lnPYnZ2dnUVZ_oGlnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>> We leased a brand-new Honda Odessey a few years back. Imagine our
>>>> suprise
>>>> when we found a ten-inch-wide puddle of oil under the engine when we
>>> pulled
>>>> out of the garage on the second day. It was in the shop a total of 4
>>>> weeks
>>>> in our first two months of ownership. Eventually they had to buy it
>>>> back
>>>> under Michigan's lemon law because the dealership could never fix it.
>>>>
>>>> And the DVD player screen was all screwed up, too.
>>>>
>>>> Better engineered, maybe, maybe not. The arrogance of "This never
>>>> happens
>>>> with Hondas" we encountered at every turn has put me off the brand for
>>> good.
>>>>
>>>> "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:LglHh.2880$tv6.2736@newssvr19.news.prodigy.ne t...
>>>> > yeah or toyota
>>>> >
>>>> > "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
>>>> > news:PpednVwBcYxwQ3DYnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>> >> If you are willing to talk price/quality optimization, I submit that
>>>> >> Hondas
>>>> >> are the best engineered car in the world.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Saludos,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Earle
>>>> >>
>>>> >> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> >> news:1173216259.971728.61600@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com...
>>>> >>> The word now is that DCX may split Chrysler (and certainly Jeep
>>>> >>> will
>>>> >>> go with it) off from its corporate structure.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> DCX has been a failure not because of Chrysler, but because of
>>>> >>> German
>>>> >>> management who refuse to make good on the idea under which the
>>>> >>> merger
>>>> >>> was founded...that the two would benefit from American
>>>> >>> manufacturing
>>>> >>> (cheaper than German and with good quality given good management,
>>>> >>> as
>>>> >>> the Japanese US plants and Saturn have proved) and branding and
>>>> >>> German
>>>> >>> engineering.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Mechanically, the Mercedes Benz is mostly still the best
>>>> >>> engineered
>>>> >>> car in the world. Most of its issues have been electrical. But DCX
>>>> >>> has
>>>> >>> refused to take advantage of US design at all in its products (they
>>>> >>> should have bought Delphi when it was in trouble) and also refused
>>>> >>> to
>>>> >>> put the better pieces of Mercedes engineering in the US product,
>>>> >>> claiming it would dilute the exclusivity of Mercedes products.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
the garage floor... :-)
The Honda epsidode was a few years ago, we replaced it with a Ford Freestar
whose lease ran out last year, replaced that with an Excursion, which also
replaced my F250. The Excursion is the best family hauler we've ever had. I
don't feel shoehorned into it (6'4" 255 lb) and it carries the family and
tows the Jeep like it's not there.
This is the first time in 10 years we didn't get a Ford product for a new
car, (excluding Jeeps) but the Ford Edge was just too darned expensive and
we wanted something for the wife with decent mileage and a decent lease
payment. A friend/client of ours was on the Edge development team and she
was really trying to sell it to us, unfortunately she doesn't set the
prices.
"Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
news:45ee41ac$0$8987$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Wow, Matt.
> From a Honda to a GM, you really are a glutton for punishment.
> I do hope you have better luck with it though.
>
> Spdloader
>
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> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:NvKdnYWEu9B4oHPYnZ2dnUVZ_tmknZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> It was a great vehicle otherwise, the service just sucked. After they
>> couldn't fix it the for the second time (within one month of taking
>> posession) we asked for a new car. The dealer refused and after the third
>> time we filed suit. The lemon law attorney had never had a car in for
>> service three times in the first 800 miles. Several months into the suit
>> they offered a new car, we declined. They ended up paying back all of our
>> payments plus the attorney.
>>
>> My wife just picked up a Saturn Aura last night. Let's see how this one
>> goes!
>>
>> "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
>> news:wvOdnSQ4-vQYkHPYnZ2dnUVZ_uGjnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> That experience is unusual, but it does happen with any make, even
>>> Mercedes.
>>> Odyssey is a minivan, isn't it? I've got like 90,000 on my Civic, and I
>>> never did anything except for maintenance items and tires for it. I
>>> believe
>>> I have the original tires on the back. I still haven't figured out
>>> where
>>> the transmission level check is at.
>>>
>>> That arrogant attitude is bad. I've seen it too, in places where you
>>> would
>>> never expect it, like Dodge dealerships. ;^)
>>>
>>> Earle
>>>
>>> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>>> news:XNadnRD8qva_lnPYnZ2dnUVZ_oGlnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>> We leased a brand-new Honda Odessey a few years back. Imagine our
>>>> suprise
>>>> when we found a ten-inch-wide puddle of oil under the engine when we
>>> pulled
>>>> out of the garage on the second day. It was in the shop a total of 4
>>>> weeks
>>>> in our first two months of ownership. Eventually they had to buy it
>>>> back
>>>> under Michigan's lemon law because the dealership could never fix it.
>>>>
>>>> And the DVD player screen was all screwed up, too.
>>>>
>>>> Better engineered, maybe, maybe not. The arrogance of "This never
>>>> happens
>>>> with Hondas" we encountered at every turn has put me off the brand for
>>> good.
>>>>
>>>> "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:LglHh.2880$tv6.2736@newssvr19.news.prodigy.ne t...
>>>> > yeah or toyota
>>>> >
>>>> > "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
>>>> > news:PpednVwBcYxwQ3DYnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>> >> If you are willing to talk price/quality optimization, I submit that
>>>> >> Hondas
>>>> >> are the best engineered car in the world.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Saludos,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Earle
>>>> >>
>>>> >> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> >> news:1173216259.971728.61600@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com...
>>>> >>> The word now is that DCX may split Chrysler (and certainly Jeep
>>>> >>> will
>>>> >>> go with it) off from its corporate structure.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> DCX has been a failure not because of Chrysler, but because of
>>>> >>> German
>>>> >>> management who refuse to make good on the idea under which the
>>>> >>> merger
>>>> >>> was founded...that the two would benefit from American
>>>> >>> manufacturing
>>>> >>> (cheaper than German and with good quality given good management,
>>>> >>> as
>>>> >>> the Japanese US plants and Saturn have proved) and branding and
>>>> >>> German
>>>> >>> engineering.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Mechanically, the Mercedes Benz is mostly still the best
>>>> >>> engineered
>>>> >>> car in the world. Most of its issues have been electrical. But DCX
>>>> >>> has
>>>> >>> refused to take advantage of US design at all in its products (they
>>>> >>> should have bought Delphi when it was in trouble) and also refused
>>>> >>> to
>>>> >>> put the better pieces of Mercedes engineering in the US product,
>>>> >>> claiming it would dilute the exclusivity of Mercedes products.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
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