Roy J

Troll

cactuscowboy wrote:

> Dear "Snow",
>
> I work for a Jeep DEALERSHIP, in sales. Your referring to any Jeep dealer
> as a "stealership" is not funny or cute, it's offensive.
>
> What purpose is served by your slamming auto dealerships and building upon
> unfair, negative stereotypes? Are you the typical "ten percenter" who
> thinks that factory trained technicians should work for 6 bucks an hour
> while the car store operates on a non-profit basis? Sure sounds like it.
>
> Word of advice: park under the shadetree and do the work yourself.
>
> Best regards,
> Dave Rose
> Cactus Cowboy
> Big Wonderful Wyoming
> '49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
> '62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
> '98 XJ Sport
> O|||||||O
>
>
> "Snow" <snowball_2004@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:kkH1c.13373$JZ6.375709@news20.bellglobal.com. ..
>
>>"Jerry Newton" <figatmcttelecom.com> wrote in message
>>news:404698fe_3@newspeer2.tds.net...
>>
>>>Make an appointment with the local Jeep dealer. Give them the $75 or so
>>>they want to diagnose it, and let them tell you what is actually wrong.
>
> I
>
>>>know a lot of people have a hard on for the dealers, but let's face it:
>>>these guys stare at 4.0 liter engines all day every day, they might just
>>>know something about them. Then when they tell you what is wrong, ask
>>
>>them
>>
>>>to explain how they came to that conclusion, so that you are clear, i.e.
>>
>>"we
>>
>>>measured hydrocarbons in your cooling system, indicating a bad head
>
> gasket
>
>>>or failed hard part."
>>
>>Only problem with some stealerships is that they will pass this vehicle
>
> off
>
>>to the "new guy", who many times is not all that experienced with the 4.0
>
> ,
>
>>yes he knows how to change the spark plugs, change the oil and stuff like
>>that. You need to talk to your local service manager and see if the
>
> stealer
>
>>has a dedicated "jeep guy". Stealership I used to go to had one of the
>
> best
>
>>around, he would also lend out his jeep if the situation dictated so he
>>could drive the customers jeep and pin point the problem. Too bad the new
>>service manager didn't realize what he had before he let the gent go.
>>
>>Snow...
>>
>>
>
>
>

Roy J

Troll

cactuscowboy wrote:

> Dear "Snow",
>
> I work for a Jeep DEALERSHIP, in sales. Your referring to any Jeep dealer
> as a "stealership" is not funny or cute, it's offensive.
>
> What purpose is served by your slamming auto dealerships and building upon
> unfair, negative stereotypes? Are you the typical "ten percenter" who
> thinks that factory trained technicians should work for 6 bucks an hour
> while the car store operates on a non-profit basis? Sure sounds like it.
>
> Word of advice: park under the shadetree and do the work yourself.
>
> Best regards,
> Dave Rose
> Cactus Cowboy
> Big Wonderful Wyoming
> '49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
> '62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
> '98 XJ Sport
> O|||||||O
>
>
> "Snow" <snowball_2004@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:kkH1c.13373$JZ6.375709@news20.bellglobal.com. ..
>
>>"Jerry Newton" <figatmcttelecom.com> wrote in message
>>news:404698fe_3@newspeer2.tds.net...
>>
>>>Make an appointment with the local Jeep dealer. Give them the $75 or so
>>>they want to diagnose it, and let them tell you what is actually wrong.
>
> I
>
>>>know a lot of people have a hard on for the dealers, but let's face it:
>>>these guys stare at 4.0 liter engines all day every day, they might just
>>>know something about them. Then when they tell you what is wrong, ask
>>
>>them
>>
>>>to explain how they came to that conclusion, so that you are clear, i.e.
>>
>>"we
>>
>>>measured hydrocarbons in your cooling system, indicating a bad head
>
> gasket
>
>>>or failed hard part."
>>
>>Only problem with some stealerships is that they will pass this vehicle
>
> off
>
>>to the "new guy", who many times is not all that experienced with the 4.0
>
> ,
>
>>yes he knows how to change the spark plugs, change the oil and stuff like
>>that. You need to talk to your local service manager and see if the
>
> stealer
>
>>has a dedicated "jeep guy". Stealership I used to go to had one of the
>
> best
>
>>around, he would also lend out his jeep if the situation dictated so he
>>could drive the customers jeep and pin point the problem. Too bad the new
>>service manager didn't realize what he had before he let the gent go.
>>
>>Snow...
>>
>>
>
>
>

Mike Romain

No, you don't get it!

The USA passed a Law called the Magnus-Moss Warranty Act that deals
specifically with sleaze ball rip off mechanics and illegal contracts.

Just because 'you' want to burn some poor customer, the Act states 'you'
are breaking the law.

A contract cannot be inforced if it is illegal to start with fool.

Mike

mic canic wrote:
>
> mike you are still missing the whole point of my original post!
> but you need to really read the fine print of the purchase contract/ warranty
> paper work when buying a new car. esp lease paper work regardless who makes it,
> they all say we the manufacture can and will void parts or all your warranty if
> necessary and once you sign the paper work you agreed to their terms of that
> contract. regardless of what the law states and that makes it legally binding and
> that's the point i was trying to make, that you can't seem to get !
> stupid ------- ------- do you get it now!
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > cactuscowboy wrote:
> > >
> > > If a mechanic works 40 hours and gets paid for 80 hours, he deserves it and
> > > has worked hard to earn it.
> >
> > Yup, then this 'hard working' ------- calls up Daimler Chrysler and
> > tries to get peoples warranties removed because the customer pissed him
> > off.
> >
> > No matter that the law in the USA states the dealer cannot void a
> > vehicle warranty because the owner put a lift on or because they got mad
> > at the stealership's mechanic. He got them black listed so now they
> > have to sue to get what they rightfully paid for and are owed.
> >
> > You have picked a tough job to do there cactus, because your industry
> > has a really bad reputation.
> >
> > My local Stealership tried to charge me for 4 different tries at
> > emissions while tossing expensive parts at it rather than put my Jeep
> > into the computer to find out the main emissions component was under
> > recall. Fix the 'free' recall and gee guess what, I passed with flying
> > colors!
> >
> > I then also realized they were illegally charging me taxes on the
> > emission test and raised some ----. They gave me my money back on the
> > un-needed tests just to shut me up and make me go away.
> >
> > I wonder how much more money they have point blank stolen from people
> > that don't read the invoices?? Tax money they collect that the
> > government doesn't get, eh?
> >
> > That is theft.
> >
> > Mike

Mike Romain

No, you don't get it!

The USA passed a Law called the Magnus-Moss Warranty Act that deals
specifically with sleaze ball rip off mechanics and illegal contracts.

Just because 'you' want to burn some poor customer, the Act states 'you'
are breaking the law.

A contract cannot be inforced if it is illegal to start with fool.

Mike

mic canic wrote:
>
> mike you are still missing the whole point of my original post!
> but you need to really read the fine print of the purchase contract/ warranty
> paper work when buying a new car. esp lease paper work regardless who makes it,
> they all say we the manufacture can and will void parts or all your warranty if
> necessary and once you sign the paper work you agreed to their terms of that
> contract. regardless of what the law states and that makes it legally binding and
> that's the point i was trying to make, that you can't seem to get !
> stupid ------- ------- do you get it now!
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > cactuscowboy wrote:
> > >
> > > If a mechanic works 40 hours and gets paid for 80 hours, he deserves it and
> > > has worked hard to earn it.
> >
> > Yup, then this 'hard working' ------- calls up Daimler Chrysler and
> > tries to get peoples warranties removed because the customer pissed him
> > off.
> >
> > No matter that the law in the USA states the dealer cannot void a
> > vehicle warranty because the owner put a lift on or because they got mad
> > at the stealership's mechanic. He got them black listed so now they
> > have to sue to get what they rightfully paid for and are owed.
> >
> > You have picked a tough job to do there cactus, because your industry
> > has a really bad reputation.
> >
> > My local Stealership tried to charge me for 4 different tries at
> > emissions while tossing expensive parts at it rather than put my Jeep
> > into the computer to find out the main emissions component was under
> > recall. Fix the 'free' recall and gee guess what, I passed with flying
> > colors!
> >
> > I then also realized they were illegally charging me taxes on the
> > emission test and raised some ----. They gave me my money back on the
> > un-needed tests just to shut me up and make me go away.
> >
> > I wonder how much more money they have point blank stolen from people
> > that don't read the invoices?? Tax money they collect that the
> > government doesn't get, eh?
> >
> > That is theft.
> >
> > Mike

Mike Romain

No, you don't get it!

The USA passed a Law called the Magnus-Moss Warranty Act that deals
specifically with sleaze ball rip off mechanics and illegal contracts.

Just because 'you' want to burn some poor customer, the Act states 'you'
are breaking the law.

A contract cannot be inforced if it is illegal to start with fool.

Mike

mic canic wrote:
>
> mike you are still missing the whole point of my original post!
> but you need to really read the fine print of the purchase contract/ warranty
> paper work when buying a new car. esp lease paper work regardless who makes it,
> they all say we the manufacture can and will void parts or all your warranty if
> necessary and once you sign the paper work you agreed to their terms of that
> contract. regardless of what the law states and that makes it legally binding and
> that's the point i was trying to make, that you can't seem to get !
> stupid ------- ------- do you get it now!
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > cactuscowboy wrote:
> > >
> > > If a mechanic works 40 hours and gets paid for 80 hours, he deserves it and
> > > has worked hard to earn it.
> >
> > Yup, then this 'hard working' ------- calls up Daimler Chrysler and
> > tries to get peoples warranties removed because the customer pissed him
> > off.
> >
> > No matter that the law in the USA states the dealer cannot void a
> > vehicle warranty because the owner put a lift on or because they got mad
> > at the stealership's mechanic. He got them black listed so now they
> > have to sue to get what they rightfully paid for and are owed.
> >
> > You have picked a tough job to do there cactus, because your industry
> > has a really bad reputation.
> >
> > My local Stealership tried to charge me for 4 different tries at
> > emissions while tossing expensive parts at it rather than put my Jeep
> > into the computer to find out the main emissions component was under
> > recall. Fix the 'free' recall and gee guess what, I passed with flying
> > colors!
> >
> > I then also realized they were illegally charging me taxes on the
> > emission test and raised some ----. They gave me my money back on the
> > un-needed tests just to shut me up and make me go away.
> >
> > I wonder how much more money they have point blank stolen from people
> > that don't read the invoices?? Tax money they collect that the
> > government doesn't get, eh?
> >
> > That is theft.
> >
> > Mike

Roy J

What Del said. But while it is not cost effective for a
individual person to sue, the plantif lawyers are happy to start
a class action lawsuit. Not that I can defend the lawyer's 1/3
cut of the results but sometimes you just have to root for them
over the jerks who trash the regular consumers.

Del Rawlins wrote:

> In <404A4952.4D0102B4@cac.net> mic canic wrote:
>
>
>>void parts or all your warranty if necessary and once you sign the
>>paper work you agreed to their terms of that contract. regardless of
>>what the law states and that makes it legally binding and that's the
>
>
> You need to stick to turning wrenches and leave contract law to the
> experts. Even a layman should know that any contract which is
> contradicted by the law, is by its very nature, illegal. No court (in
> this country, anyway) is going to enforce an illegal contract,
> effectively rendering it null and void.
>
> The reason you get away with your reprehensible behavior (so far), is
> that it is not economically feasible for the average motorist to bring a
> lawsuit against you. Unless they have a lawyer in the family it is
> usually cheaper to just pay to fix their vehicle.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Del (not a lawyer either) Rawlins
> del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/

Roy J

What Del said. But while it is not cost effective for a
individual person to sue, the plantif lawyers are happy to start
a class action lawsuit. Not that I can defend the lawyer's 1/3
cut of the results but sometimes you just have to root for them
over the jerks who trash the regular consumers.

Del Rawlins wrote:

> In <404A4952.4D0102B4@cac.net> mic canic wrote:
>
>
>>void parts or all your warranty if necessary and once you sign the
>>paper work you agreed to their terms of that contract. regardless of
>>what the law states and that makes it legally binding and that's the
>
>
> You need to stick to turning wrenches and leave contract law to the
> experts. Even a layman should know that any contract which is
> contradicted by the law, is by its very nature, illegal. No court (in
> this country, anyway) is going to enforce an illegal contract,
> effectively rendering it null and void.
>
> The reason you get away with your reprehensible behavior (so far), is
> that it is not economically feasible for the average motorist to bring a
> lawsuit against you. Unless they have a lawyer in the family it is
> usually cheaper to just pay to fix their vehicle.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Del (not a lawyer either) Rawlins
> del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/

Roy J

What Del said. But while it is not cost effective for a
individual person to sue, the plantif lawyers are happy to start
a class action lawsuit. Not that I can defend the lawyer's 1/3
cut of the results but sometimes you just have to root for them
over the jerks who trash the regular consumers.

Del Rawlins wrote:

> In <404A4952.4D0102B4@cac.net> mic canic wrote:
>
>
>>void parts or all your warranty if necessary and once you sign the
>>paper work you agreed to their terms of that contract. regardless of
>>what the law states and that makes it legally binding and that's the
>
>
> You need to stick to turning wrenches and leave contract law to the
> experts. Even a layman should know that any contract which is
> contradicted by the law, is by its very nature, illegal. No court (in
> this country, anyway) is going to enforce an illegal contract,
> effectively rendering it null and void.
>
> The reason you get away with your reprehensible behavior (so far), is
> that it is not economically feasible for the average motorist to bring a
> lawsuit against you. Unless they have a lawyer in the family it is
> usually cheaper to just pay to fix their vehicle.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Del (not a lawyer either) Rawlins
> del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/

mic canic

companys are not required by law to even offer a warranty if they do, they do it's out
of the kindness of their pocketbook
a contract is a contract and if you signed it then you waived your rights
so find a chrysler service contract and read the fine print
Mike Romain wrote:

> No, you don't get it!
>
> The USA passed a Law called the Magnus-Moss Warranty Act that deals
> specifically with sleaze ball rip off mechanics and illegal contracts.
>
> Just because 'you' want to burn some poor customer, the Act states 'you'
> are breaking the law.
>
> A contract cannot be inforced if it is illegal to start with fool.
>
> Mike
>
> mic canic wrote:
> >
> > mike you are still missing the whole point of my original post!
> > but you need to really read the fine print of the purchase contract/ warranty
> > paper work when buying a new car. esp lease paper work regardless who makes it,
> > they all say we the manufacture can and will void parts or all your warranty if
> > necessary and once you sign the paper work you agreed to their terms of that
> > contract. regardless of what the law states and that makes it legally binding and
> > that's the point i was trying to make, that you can't seem to get !
> > stupid ------- ------- do you get it now!
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > > cactuscowboy wrote:
> > > >
> > > > If a mechanic works 40 hours and gets paid for 80 hours, he deserves it and
> > > > has worked hard to earn it.
> > >
> > > Yup, then this 'hard working' ------- calls up Daimler Chrysler and
> > > tries to get peoples warranties removed because the customer pissed him
> > > off.
> > >
> > > No matter that the law in the USA states the dealer cannot void a
> > > vehicle warranty because the owner put a lift on or because they got mad
> > > at the stealership's mechanic. He got them black listed so now they
> > > have to sue to get what they rightfully paid for and are owed.
> > >
> > > You have picked a tough job to do there cactus, because your industry
> > > has a really bad reputation.
> > >
> > > My local Stealership tried to charge me for 4 different tries at
> > > emissions while tossing expensive parts at it rather than put my Jeep
> > > into the computer to find out the main emissions component was under
> > > recall. Fix the 'free' recall and gee guess what, I passed with flying
> > > colors!
> > >
> > > I then also realized they were illegally charging me taxes on the
> > > emission test and raised some ----. They gave me my money back on the
> > > un-needed tests just to shut me up and make me go away.
> > >
> > > I wonder how much more money they have point blank stolen from people
> > > that don't read the invoices?? Tax money they collect that the
> > > government doesn't get, eh?
> > >
> > > That is theft.
> > >
> > > Mike

mic canic

companys are not required by law to even offer a warranty if they do, they do it's out
of the kindness of their pocketbook
a contract is a contract and if you signed it then you waived your rights
so find a chrysler service contract and read the fine print
Mike Romain wrote:

> No, you don't get it!
>
> The USA passed a Law called the Magnus-Moss Warranty Act that deals
> specifically with sleaze ball rip off mechanics and illegal contracts.
>
> Just because 'you' want to burn some poor customer, the Act states 'you'
> are breaking the law.
>
> A contract cannot be inforced if it is illegal to start with fool.
>
> Mike
>
> mic canic wrote:
> >
> > mike you are still missing the whole point of my original post!
> > but you need to really read the fine print of the purchase contract/ warranty
> > paper work when buying a new car. esp lease paper work regardless who makes it,
> > they all say we the manufacture can and will void parts or all your warranty if
> > necessary and once you sign the paper work you agreed to their terms of that
> > contract. regardless of what the law states and that makes it legally binding and
> > that's the point i was trying to make, that you can't seem to get !
> > stupid ------- ------- do you get it now!
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > > cactuscowboy wrote:
> > > >
> > > > If a mechanic works 40 hours and gets paid for 80 hours, he deserves it and
> > > > has worked hard to earn it.
> > >
> > > Yup, then this 'hard working' ------- calls up Daimler Chrysler and
> > > tries to get peoples warranties removed because the customer pissed him
> > > off.
> > >
> > > No matter that the law in the USA states the dealer cannot void a
> > > vehicle warranty because the owner put a lift on or because they got mad
> > > at the stealership's mechanic. He got them black listed so now they
> > > have to sue to get what they rightfully paid for and are owed.
> > >
> > > You have picked a tough job to do there cactus, because your industry
> > > has a really bad reputation.
> > >
> > > My local Stealership tried to charge me for 4 different tries at
> > > emissions while tossing expensive parts at it rather than put my Jeep
> > > into the computer to find out the main emissions component was under
> > > recall. Fix the 'free' recall and gee guess what, I passed with flying
> > > colors!
> > >
> > > I then also realized they were illegally charging me taxes on the
> > > emission test and raised some ----. They gave me my money back on the
> > > un-needed tests just to shut me up and make me go away.
> > >
> > > I wonder how much more money they have point blank stolen from people
> > > that don't read the invoices?? Tax money they collect that the
> > > government doesn't get, eh?
> > >
> > > That is theft.
> > >
> > > Mike