D

Billy Ray,
What a great site ! ! ! THanks so much! That will really help.
So, taking the dash out is a job huh? That's an understatement. Heh.
Thanks for the explanation of 'severe service'.
I do appreciate all the help. It clears a lot up for me.
D

"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:94006$44c04b27$48311eaf$7039@FUSE.NET...
> There is blend door write up on WJ Jeeps at:
> http://www.wjjeeps.com/hvac_sub_assembly.htm
>
> In 'severe service' you replace most of the underbody lubricants on a
yearly
> basis, on the other schedule they are 'lifetime' fluids.
>
> I would also take the vehicle to a dead end street or parking lot at night
> (when it is quieter) and listen for noises/bindings while at slow speed
> going from full lock to lock
>
> I was somewhat surprised at the lack of tire options myself. This is
> compounded by a lack of information about what other 17 inch sizes will
> actually fit without interference or lifting.
>
> I suspect that mileage would be somewhat better with the Selec-Trac but
I've
> never heard that it was very much.
>
>
> "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
> news:fyWvg.1801$D%4.1387@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > Thanks Billy Ray. I agree. Most of the problems with my 93 ZJ inline 6
> > have
> > been the accessories. Does that blend door cause the whole system to
fail?
> > I'm sorry, I don't understand your second paragraph here. I assume the
> > nv249
> > xfer case is the Quadra-Drive? What is the 'severe service' maintenance
> > you
> > mention? There was no binding, stiffness or noise from the underside
> > during
> > a 5 mile test drive. I did try to make several sharp, lock to lock turns
> > during it for that reason. I was surprised a full time 4WD could be so
> > smooth.
> > Do I understand you to say that the Select-Trac is more durable in your
> > opinion than the Quadra? Is this because it is only an occassional
> > part-time
> > use of the system? I would think that gas mileage might be better with
the
> > Selec-Trac since you're not driving the front wheels all the time too.
> > I have done the resistor checkout in my 93. I agree, simple and easy
fix.
> > I
> > am a recovering shade-tree guy anyway.
> > I don't care really too much about the hooks or the CD changer really. I
> > just put that in cause it came to mind, but thanks.
> > The tire reference is very telling. I do appreciate that type of
> > information.
> > Thanks for your input. Any other thoughts?
> >
> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> > news:a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET...
> >> The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands
are
> > the
> >> most common cause of expensive repairs.
> >>
> >> The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known
> >> tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in
> >> the
> >> vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor
to
> >> get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace
> >> $12
> >> in parts. There may well be no warning before failure
> >>
> >> The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a
> > vehicle
> >> that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special
> >> attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when
accelerating
> >> and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching.
When
> > it
> >> fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The
> >> real
> >> 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer
case.
> >>
> >> The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the
> > ATC.
> >> There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan
> > speeds.
> >> It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your
> >> driveway in a few minutes
> >>
> >> If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts department
> >> in
> >> chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy,
> >> you
> >> can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer can
> > also
> >> be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in
> > your
> >> factory radio.
> >>
> >> Other differences.
> >>
> >> Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in
> >> highway
> >> and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their
specific
> >> size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
> >> news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >> > Hi All,
> >> > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two
> > vehicles
> >> > I'm comparing for purchase.
> >> >
> >> > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very
> > clean
> >> > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive
system.
> >> > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on
> >> > front,
> >> > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact
> >> > airbags,
> >> > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come
> > down
> >> > some from that.
> >> >
> >> > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also
very
> >> > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other
options
> >> > make
> >> > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks
> >> > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver
and
> >> > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest
price,
> >> > $15,200
> >> >
> >> > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car.
> >> > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the
Limited
> >> > trim
> >> > on a Laredo.
> >> > Any candid thoughts?
> >> > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good
> >> > behind
> >> > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe.
> >> > Thanks.
> >> > D
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

billy ray

If we can get Bill to post you a link to the WJ maintenance and Lubrication
Schedule you can get details on the differences.

I read a story some time ago that according to GM over 90 percent of drivers
should be following 'severe service' rather than the maintenance schedule
the manufacturers advertise.


I assume it is similar or higher for Jeeps.



"D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
news:TbYvg.6947$PN4.394@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> Billy Ray,
> What a great site ! ! ! THanks so much! That will really help.
> So, taking the dash out is a job huh? That's an understatement. Heh.
> Thanks for the explanation of 'severe service'.
> I do appreciate all the help. It clears a lot up for me.
> D
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:94006$44c04b27$48311eaf$7039@FUSE.NET...
>> There is blend door write up on WJ Jeeps at:
>> http://www.wjjeeps.com/hvac_sub_assembly.htm
>>
>> In 'severe service' you replace most of the underbody lubricants on a
> yearly
>> basis, on the other schedule they are 'lifetime' fluids.
>>
>> I would also take the vehicle to a dead end street or parking lot at
>> night
>> (when it is quieter) and listen for noises/bindings while at slow speed
>> going from full lock to lock
>>
>> I was somewhat surprised at the lack of tire options myself. This is
>> compounded by a lack of information about what other 17 inch sizes will
>> actually fit without interference or lifting.
>>
>> I suspect that mileage would be somewhat better with the Selec-Trac but
> I've
>> never heard that it was very much.
>>
>>
>> "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
>> news:fyWvg.1801$D%4.1387@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> > Thanks Billy Ray. I agree. Most of the problems with my 93 ZJ inline 6
>> > have
>> > been the accessories. Does that blend door cause the whole system to
> fail?
>> > I'm sorry, I don't understand your second paragraph here. I assume the
>> > nv249
>> > xfer case is the Quadra-Drive? What is the 'severe service' maintenance
>> > you
>> > mention? There was no binding, stiffness or noise from the underside
>> > during
>> > a 5 mile test drive. I did try to make several sharp, lock to lock
>> > turns
>> > during it for that reason. I was surprised a full time 4WD could be so
>> > smooth.
>> > Do I understand you to say that the Select-Trac is more durable in your
>> > opinion than the Quadra? Is this because it is only an occassional
>> > part-time
>> > use of the system? I would think that gas mileage might be better with
> the
>> > Selec-Trac since you're not driving the front wheels all the time too.
>> > I have done the resistor checkout in my 93. I agree, simple and easy
> fix.
>> > I
>> > am a recovering shade-tree guy anyway.
>> > I don't care really too much about the hooks or the CD changer really.
>> > I
>> > just put that in cause it came to mind, but thanks.
>> > The tire reference is very telling. I do appreciate that type of
>> > information.
>> > Thanks for your input. Any other thoughts?
>> >
>> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> > news:a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET...
>> >> The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands
> are
>> > the
>> >> most common cause of expensive repairs.
>> >>
>> >> The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known
>> >> tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in
>> >> the
>> >> vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor
> to
>> >> get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace
>> >> $12
>> >> in parts. There may well be no warning before failure
>> >>
>> >> The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a
>> > vehicle
>> >> that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special
>> >> attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when
> accelerating
>> >> and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching.
> When
>> > it
>> >> fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The
>> >> real
>> >> 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer
> case.
>> >>
>> >> The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the
>> > ATC.
>> >> There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan
>> > speeds.
>> >> It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your
>> >> driveway in a few minutes
>> >>
>> >> If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts
>> >> department
>> >> in
>> >> chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy,
>> >> you
>> >> can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer
>> >> can
>> > also
>> >> be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in
>> > your
>> >> factory radio.
>> >>
>> >> Other differences.
>> >>
>> >> Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in
>> >> highway
>> >> and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their
> specific
>> >> size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> >> > Hi All,
>> >> > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two
>> > vehicles
>> >> > I'm comparing for purchase.
>> >> >
>> >> > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very
>> > clean
>> >> > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive
> system.
>> >> > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on
>> >> > front,
>> >> > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact
>> >> > airbags,
>> >> > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come
>> > down
>> >> > some from that.
>> >> >
>> >> > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also
> very
>> >> > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other
> options
>> >> > make
>> >> > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow
>> >> > hooks
>> >> > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver
> and
>> >> > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest
> price,
>> >> > $15,200
>> >> >
>> >> > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car.
>> >> > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the
> Limited
>> >> > trim
>> >> > on a Laredo.
>> >> > Any candid thoughts?
>> >> > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good
>> >> > behind
>> >> > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe.
>> >> > Thanks.
>> >> > D
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

billy ray

If we can get Bill to post you a link to the WJ maintenance and Lubrication
Schedule you can get details on the differences.

I read a story some time ago that according to GM over 90 percent of drivers
should be following 'severe service' rather than the maintenance schedule
the manufacturers advertise.


I assume it is similar or higher for Jeeps.



"D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
news:TbYvg.6947$PN4.394@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> Billy Ray,
> What a great site ! ! ! THanks so much! That will really help.
> So, taking the dash out is a job huh? That's an understatement. Heh.
> Thanks for the explanation of 'severe service'.
> I do appreciate all the help. It clears a lot up for me.
> D
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:94006$44c04b27$48311eaf$7039@FUSE.NET...
>> There is blend door write up on WJ Jeeps at:
>> http://www.wjjeeps.com/hvac_sub_assembly.htm
>>
>> In 'severe service' you replace most of the underbody lubricants on a
> yearly
>> basis, on the other schedule they are 'lifetime' fluids.
>>
>> I would also take the vehicle to a dead end street or parking lot at
>> night
>> (when it is quieter) and listen for noises/bindings while at slow speed
>> going from full lock to lock
>>
>> I was somewhat surprised at the lack of tire options myself. This is
>> compounded by a lack of information about what other 17 inch sizes will
>> actually fit without interference or lifting.
>>
>> I suspect that mileage would be somewhat better with the Selec-Trac but
> I've
>> never heard that it was very much.
>>
>>
>> "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
>> news:fyWvg.1801$D%4.1387@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> > Thanks Billy Ray. I agree. Most of the problems with my 93 ZJ inline 6
>> > have
>> > been the accessories. Does that blend door cause the whole system to
> fail?
>> > I'm sorry, I don't understand your second paragraph here. I assume the
>> > nv249
>> > xfer case is the Quadra-Drive? What is the 'severe service' maintenance
>> > you
>> > mention? There was no binding, stiffness or noise from the underside
>> > during
>> > a 5 mile test drive. I did try to make several sharp, lock to lock
>> > turns
>> > during it for that reason. I was surprised a full time 4WD could be so
>> > smooth.
>> > Do I understand you to say that the Select-Trac is more durable in your
>> > opinion than the Quadra? Is this because it is only an occassional
>> > part-time
>> > use of the system? I would think that gas mileage might be better with
> the
>> > Selec-Trac since you're not driving the front wheels all the time too.
>> > I have done the resistor checkout in my 93. I agree, simple and easy
> fix.
>> > I
>> > am a recovering shade-tree guy anyway.
>> > I don't care really too much about the hooks or the CD changer really.
>> > I
>> > just put that in cause it came to mind, but thanks.
>> > The tire reference is very telling. I do appreciate that type of
>> > information.
>> > Thanks for your input. Any other thoughts?
>> >
>> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> > news:a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET...
>> >> The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands
> are
>> > the
>> >> most common cause of expensive repairs.
>> >>
>> >> The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known
>> >> tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in
>> >> the
>> >> vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor
> to
>> >> get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace
>> >> $12
>> >> in parts. There may well be no warning before failure
>> >>
>> >> The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a
>> > vehicle
>> >> that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special
>> >> attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when
> accelerating
>> >> and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching.
> When
>> > it
>> >> fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The
>> >> real
>> >> 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer
> case.
>> >>
>> >> The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the
>> > ATC.
>> >> There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan
>> > speeds.
>> >> It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your
>> >> driveway in a few minutes
>> >>
>> >> If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts
>> >> department
>> >> in
>> >> chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy,
>> >> you
>> >> can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer
>> >> can
>> > also
>> >> be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in
>> > your
>> >> factory radio.
>> >>
>> >> Other differences.
>> >>
>> >> Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in
>> >> highway
>> >> and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their
> specific
>> >> size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> >> > Hi All,
>> >> > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two
>> > vehicles
>> >> > I'm comparing for purchase.
>> >> >
>> >> > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very
>> > clean
>> >> > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive
> system.
>> >> > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on
>> >> > front,
>> >> > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact
>> >> > airbags,
>> >> > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come
>> > down
>> >> > some from that.
>> >> >
>> >> > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also
> very
>> >> > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other
> options
>> >> > make
>> >> > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow
>> >> > hooks
>> >> > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver
> and
>> >> > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest
> price,
>> >> > $15,200
>> >> >
>> >> > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car.
>> >> > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the
> Limited
>> >> > trim
>> >> > on a Laredo.
>> >> > Any candid thoughts?
>> >> > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good
>> >> > behind
>> >> > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe.
>> >> > Thanks.
>> >> > D
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

billy ray

If we can get Bill to post you a link to the WJ maintenance and Lubrication
Schedule you can get details on the differences.

I read a story some time ago that according to GM over 90 percent of drivers
should be following 'severe service' rather than the maintenance schedule
the manufacturers advertise.


I assume it is similar or higher for Jeeps.



"D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
news:TbYvg.6947$PN4.394@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> Billy Ray,
> What a great site ! ! ! THanks so much! That will really help.
> So, taking the dash out is a job huh? That's an understatement. Heh.
> Thanks for the explanation of 'severe service'.
> I do appreciate all the help. It clears a lot up for me.
> D
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:94006$44c04b27$48311eaf$7039@FUSE.NET...
>> There is blend door write up on WJ Jeeps at:
>> http://www.wjjeeps.com/hvac_sub_assembly.htm
>>
>> In 'severe service' you replace most of the underbody lubricants on a
> yearly
>> basis, on the other schedule they are 'lifetime' fluids.
>>
>> I would also take the vehicle to a dead end street or parking lot at
>> night
>> (when it is quieter) and listen for noises/bindings while at slow speed
>> going from full lock to lock
>>
>> I was somewhat surprised at the lack of tire options myself. This is
>> compounded by a lack of information about what other 17 inch sizes will
>> actually fit without interference or lifting.
>>
>> I suspect that mileage would be somewhat better with the Selec-Trac but
> I've
>> never heard that it was very much.
>>
>>
>> "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
>> news:fyWvg.1801$D%4.1387@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> > Thanks Billy Ray. I agree. Most of the problems with my 93 ZJ inline 6
>> > have
>> > been the accessories. Does that blend door cause the whole system to
> fail?
>> > I'm sorry, I don't understand your second paragraph here. I assume the
>> > nv249
>> > xfer case is the Quadra-Drive? What is the 'severe service' maintenance
>> > you
>> > mention? There was no binding, stiffness or noise from the underside
>> > during
>> > a 5 mile test drive. I did try to make several sharp, lock to lock
>> > turns
>> > during it for that reason. I was surprised a full time 4WD could be so
>> > smooth.
>> > Do I understand you to say that the Select-Trac is more durable in your
>> > opinion than the Quadra? Is this because it is only an occassional
>> > part-time
>> > use of the system? I would think that gas mileage might be better with
> the
>> > Selec-Trac since you're not driving the front wheels all the time too.
>> > I have done the resistor checkout in my 93. I agree, simple and easy
> fix.
>> > I
>> > am a recovering shade-tree guy anyway.
>> > I don't care really too much about the hooks or the CD changer really.
>> > I
>> > just put that in cause it came to mind, but thanks.
>> > The tire reference is very telling. I do appreciate that type of
>> > information.
>> > Thanks for your input. Any other thoughts?
>> >
>> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> > news:a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET...
>> >> The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands
> are
>> > the
>> >> most common cause of expensive repairs.
>> >>
>> >> The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known
>> >> tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in
>> >> the
>> >> vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor
> to
>> >> get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace
>> >> $12
>> >> in parts. There may well be no warning before failure
>> >>
>> >> The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a
>> > vehicle
>> >> that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special
>> >> attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when
> accelerating
>> >> and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching.
> When
>> > it
>> >> fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The
>> >> real
>> >> 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer
> case.
>> >>
>> >> The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the
>> > ATC.
>> >> There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan
>> > speeds.
>> >> It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your
>> >> driveway in a few minutes
>> >>
>> >> If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts
>> >> department
>> >> in
>> >> chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy,
>> >> you
>> >> can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer
>> >> can
>> > also
>> >> be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in
>> > your
>> >> factory radio.
>> >>
>> >> Other differences.
>> >>
>> >> Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in
>> >> highway
>> >> and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their
> specific
>> >> size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> >> > Hi All,
>> >> > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two
>> > vehicles
>> >> > I'm comparing for purchase.
>> >> >
>> >> > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very
>> > clean
>> >> > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive
> system.
>> >> > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on
>> >> > front,
>> >> > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact
>> >> > airbags,
>> >> > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come
>> > down
>> >> > some from that.
>> >> >
>> >> > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also
> very
>> >> > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other
> options
>> >> > make
>> >> > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow
>> >> > hooks
>> >> > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver
> and
>> >> > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest
> price,
>> >> > $15,200
>> >> >
>> >> > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car.
>> >> > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the
> Limited
>> >> > trim
>> >> > on a Laredo.
>> >> > Any candid thoughts?
>> >> > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good
>> >> > behind
>> >> > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe.
>> >> > Thanks.
>> >> > D
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

billy ray

If we can get Bill to post you a link to the WJ maintenance and Lubrication
Schedule you can get details on the differences.

I read a story some time ago that according to GM over 90 percent of drivers
should be following 'severe service' rather than the maintenance schedule
the manufacturers advertise.


I assume it is similar or higher for Jeeps.



"D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
news:TbYvg.6947$PN4.394@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> Billy Ray,
> What a great site ! ! ! THanks so much! That will really help.
> So, taking the dash out is a job huh? That's an understatement. Heh.
> Thanks for the explanation of 'severe service'.
> I do appreciate all the help. It clears a lot up for me.
> D
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:94006$44c04b27$48311eaf$7039@FUSE.NET...
>> There is blend door write up on WJ Jeeps at:
>> http://www.wjjeeps.com/hvac_sub_assembly.htm
>>
>> In 'severe service' you replace most of the underbody lubricants on a
> yearly
>> basis, on the other schedule they are 'lifetime' fluids.
>>
>> I would also take the vehicle to a dead end street or parking lot at
>> night
>> (when it is quieter) and listen for noises/bindings while at slow speed
>> going from full lock to lock
>>
>> I was somewhat surprised at the lack of tire options myself. This is
>> compounded by a lack of information about what other 17 inch sizes will
>> actually fit without interference or lifting.
>>
>> I suspect that mileage would be somewhat better with the Selec-Trac but
> I've
>> never heard that it was very much.
>>
>>
>> "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
>> news:fyWvg.1801$D%4.1387@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> > Thanks Billy Ray. I agree. Most of the problems with my 93 ZJ inline 6
>> > have
>> > been the accessories. Does that blend door cause the whole system to
> fail?
>> > I'm sorry, I don't understand your second paragraph here. I assume the
>> > nv249
>> > xfer case is the Quadra-Drive? What is the 'severe service' maintenance
>> > you
>> > mention? There was no binding, stiffness or noise from the underside
>> > during
>> > a 5 mile test drive. I did try to make several sharp, lock to lock
>> > turns
>> > during it for that reason. I was surprised a full time 4WD could be so
>> > smooth.
>> > Do I understand you to say that the Select-Trac is more durable in your
>> > opinion than the Quadra? Is this because it is only an occassional
>> > part-time
>> > use of the system? I would think that gas mileage might be better with
> the
>> > Selec-Trac since you're not driving the front wheels all the time too.
>> > I have done the resistor checkout in my 93. I agree, simple and easy
> fix.
>> > I
>> > am a recovering shade-tree guy anyway.
>> > I don't care really too much about the hooks or the CD changer really.
>> > I
>> > just put that in cause it came to mind, but thanks.
>> > The tire reference is very telling. I do appreciate that type of
>> > information.
>> > Thanks for your input. Any other thoughts?
>> >
>> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> > news:a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET...
>> >> The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands
> are
>> > the
>> >> most common cause of expensive repairs.
>> >>
>> >> The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known
>> >> tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in
>> >> the
>> >> vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor
> to
>> >> get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace
>> >> $12
>> >> in parts. There may well be no warning before failure
>> >>
>> >> The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a
>> > vehicle
>> >> that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special
>> >> attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when
> accelerating
>> >> and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching.
> When
>> > it
>> >> fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The
>> >> real
>> >> 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer
> case.
>> >>
>> >> The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the
>> > ATC.
>> >> There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan
>> > speeds.
>> >> It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your
>> >> driveway in a few minutes
>> >>
>> >> If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts
>> >> department
>> >> in
>> >> chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy,
>> >> you
>> >> can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer
>> >> can
>> > also
>> >> be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in
>> > your
>> >> factory radio.
>> >>
>> >> Other differences.
>> >>
>> >> Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in
>> >> highway
>> >> and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their
> specific
>> >> size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> >> > Hi All,
>> >> > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two
>> > vehicles
>> >> > I'm comparing for purchase.
>> >> >
>> >> > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very
>> > clean
>> >> > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive
> system.
>> >> > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on
>> >> > front,
>> >> > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact
>> >> > airbags,
>> >> > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come
>> > down
>> >> > some from that.
>> >> >
>> >> > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also
> very
>> >> > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other
> options
>> >> > make
>> >> > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow
>> >> > hooks
>> >> > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver
> and
>> >> > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest
> price,
>> >> > $15,200
>> >> >
>> >> > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car.
>> >> > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the
> Limited
>> >> > trim
>> >> > on a Laredo.
>> >> > Any candid thoughts?
>> >> > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good
>> >> > behind
>> >> > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe.
>> >> > Thanks.
>> >> > D
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Al J

I've been looking at WJ's as well and another somewhat common problem
area I encountered is pulling to the right. An '04 I test drove would
lane-change in a millisecond at 70 mph if I let go of the wheel. Even in
the left hand lane crowned the opposite way it wanted to go right. A
search of this newsgroup and the WJ site turned up something about
variations in a weld location causing a bad caster angle on some WJ's.
I'm not sure if there's a fix for this, but I passed on that one.

Regarding gas mileage, at least with the I6 trailer tow gets you a lower
axle ratio which will probably hurts mileage more than the transfer
case. Do V8's with Selectrac have the aluminum Dana 44?

I did run across what I call a 'Katrina' '04 WJ this past weekend. The
bottom edge of the trans cooler was solid rust and the paint was gone
off the bottom 2 inches of the AC condenser up front. There was rust on
the front pumpkin which was leaking and a freshly painted rear axle with
new sealer on the cover. It also had brand new rotors all around. It
must have been sitting in something pretty toxic to eat the paint off
the condenser. I passed on that as well, but it confirmed that a good
look underneath is worthwhile.

In article <a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET>,
billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net says...
> The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands are the
> most common cause of expensive repairs.
>
> The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known
> tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in the
> vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor to
> get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace $12
> in parts. There may well be no warning before failure
>
> The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a vehicle
> that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special
> attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when accelerating
> and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching. When it
> fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The real
> 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer case.
>
> The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the ATC.
> There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan speeds.
> It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your
> driveway in a few minutes
>
> If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts department in
> chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy, you
> can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer can also
> be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in your
> factory radio.
>
> Other differences.
>
> Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in highway
> and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their specific
> size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands.
>
>
>
> "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
> news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > Hi All,
> > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two vehicles
> > I'm comparing for purchase.
> >
> > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very clean
> > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system.
> > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on front,
> > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact
> > airbags,
> > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come down
> > some from that.
> >
> > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very
> > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options
> > make
> > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks
> > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and
> > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price,
> > $15,200
> >
> > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car.
> > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited
> > trim
> > on a Laredo.
> > Any candid thoughts?
> > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good
> > behind
> > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe.
> > Thanks.
> > D
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

Al J

I've been looking at WJ's as well and another somewhat common problem
area I encountered is pulling to the right. An '04 I test drove would
lane-change in a millisecond at 70 mph if I let go of the wheel. Even in
the left hand lane crowned the opposite way it wanted to go right. A
search of this newsgroup and the WJ site turned up something about
variations in a weld location causing a bad caster angle on some WJ's.
I'm not sure if there's a fix for this, but I passed on that one.

Regarding gas mileage, at least with the I6 trailer tow gets you a lower
axle ratio which will probably hurts mileage more than the transfer
case. Do V8's with Selectrac have the aluminum Dana 44?

I did run across what I call a 'Katrina' '04 WJ this past weekend. The
bottom edge of the trans cooler was solid rust and the paint was gone
off the bottom 2 inches of the AC condenser up front. There was rust on
the front pumpkin which was leaking and a freshly painted rear axle with
new sealer on the cover. It also had brand new rotors all around. It
must have been sitting in something pretty toxic to eat the paint off
the condenser. I passed on that as well, but it confirmed that a good
look underneath is worthwhile.

In article <a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET>,
billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net says...
> The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands are the
> most common cause of expensive repairs.
>
> The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known
> tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in the
> vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor to
> get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace $12
> in parts. There may well be no warning before failure
>
> The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a vehicle
> that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special
> attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when accelerating
> and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching. When it
> fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The real
> 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer case.
>
> The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the ATC.
> There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan speeds.
> It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your
> driveway in a few minutes
>
> If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts department in
> chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy, you
> can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer can also
> be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in your
> factory radio.
>
> Other differences.
>
> Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in highway
> and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their specific
> size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands.
>
>
>
> "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
> news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > Hi All,
> > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two vehicles
> > I'm comparing for purchase.
> >
> > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very clean
> > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system.
> > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on front,
> > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact
> > airbags,
> > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come down
> > some from that.
> >
> > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very
> > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options
> > make
> > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks
> > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and
> > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price,
> > $15,200
> >
> > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car.
> > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited
> > trim
> > on a Laredo.
> > Any candid thoughts?
> > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good
> > behind
> > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe.
> > Thanks.
> > D
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

Al J

I've been looking at WJ's as well and another somewhat common problem
area I encountered is pulling to the right. An '04 I test drove would
lane-change in a millisecond at 70 mph if I let go of the wheel. Even in
the left hand lane crowned the opposite way it wanted to go right. A
search of this newsgroup and the WJ site turned up something about
variations in a weld location causing a bad caster angle on some WJ's.
I'm not sure if there's a fix for this, but I passed on that one.

Regarding gas mileage, at least with the I6 trailer tow gets you a lower
axle ratio which will probably hurts mileage more than the transfer
case. Do V8's with Selectrac have the aluminum Dana 44?

I did run across what I call a 'Katrina' '04 WJ this past weekend. The
bottom edge of the trans cooler was solid rust and the paint was gone
off the bottom 2 inches of the AC condenser up front. There was rust on
the front pumpkin which was leaking and a freshly painted rear axle with
new sealer on the cover. It also had brand new rotors all around. It
must have been sitting in something pretty toxic to eat the paint off
the condenser. I passed on that as well, but it confirmed that a good
look underneath is worthwhile.

In article <a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET>,
billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net says...
> The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands are the
> most common cause of expensive repairs.
>
> The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known
> tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in the
> vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor to
> get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace $12
> in parts. There may well be no warning before failure
>
> The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a vehicle
> that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special
> attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when accelerating
> and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching. When it
> fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The real
> 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer case.
>
> The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the ATC.
> There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan speeds.
> It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your
> driveway in a few minutes
>
> If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts department in
> chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy, you
> can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer can also
> be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in your
> factory radio.
>
> Other differences.
>
> Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in highway
> and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their specific
> size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands.
>
>
>
> "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
> news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > Hi All,
> > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two vehicles
> > I'm comparing for purchase.
> >
> > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very clean
> > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system.
> > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on front,
> > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact
> > airbags,
> > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come down
> > some from that.
> >
> > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very
> > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options
> > make
> > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks
> > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and
> > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price,
> > $15,200
> >
> > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car.
> > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited
> > trim
> > on a Laredo.
> > Any candid thoughts?
> > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good
> > behind
> > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe.
> > Thanks.
> > D
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

Al J

I've been looking at WJ's as well and another somewhat common problem
area I encountered is pulling to the right. An '04 I test drove would
lane-change in a millisecond at 70 mph if I let go of the wheel. Even in
the left hand lane crowned the opposite way it wanted to go right. A
search of this newsgroup and the WJ site turned up something about
variations in a weld location causing a bad caster angle on some WJ's.
I'm not sure if there's a fix for this, but I passed on that one.

Regarding gas mileage, at least with the I6 trailer tow gets you a lower
axle ratio which will probably hurts mileage more than the transfer
case. Do V8's with Selectrac have the aluminum Dana 44?

I did run across what I call a 'Katrina' '04 WJ this past weekend. The
bottom edge of the trans cooler was solid rust and the paint was gone
off the bottom 2 inches of the AC condenser up front. There was rust on
the front pumpkin which was leaking and a freshly painted rear axle with
new sealer on the cover. It also had brand new rotors all around. It
must have been sitting in something pretty toxic to eat the paint off
the condenser. I passed on that as well, but it confirmed that a good
look underneath is worthwhile.

In article <a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET>,
billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net says...
> The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands are the
> most common cause of expensive repairs.
>
> The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known
> tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in the
> vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor to
> get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace $12
> in parts. There may well be no warning before failure
>
> The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a vehicle
> that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special
> attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when accelerating
> and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching. When it
> fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The real
> 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer case.
>
> The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the ATC.
> There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan speeds.
> It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your
> driveway in a few minutes
>
> If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts department in
> chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy, you
> can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer can also
> be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in your
> factory radio.
>
> Other differences.
>
> Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in highway
> and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their specific
> size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands.
>
>
>
> "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
> news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > Hi All,
> > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two vehicles
> > I'm comparing for purchase.
> >
> > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very clean
> > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system.
> > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on front,
> > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact
> > airbags,
> > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come down
> > some from that.
> >
> > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very
> > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options
> > make
> > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks
> > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and
> > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price,
> > $15,200
> >
> > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car.
> > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited
> > trim
> > on a Laredo.
> > Any candid thoughts?
> > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good
> > behind
> > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe.
> > Thanks.
> > D
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

EDWARD BELLUS

I would go with the 4.0 sixer and selec-trac in an option heavy Laredo.
The 4.7 has a powerband that's not far above the six...add a K&N filter
and free-flowing muffler to the 4.0 and you will catch yourself trolling
for hotrods on the wet streets while in the NP242 fulltime mode. ALL the
GC auto trannies have "issues"......do a search. My bud bought his WJ
w/4.7V8-Quadra-crap....lousy MPG. I run my '01 4.0 -selec-trac 650 miles
a week, good mpg and pass everything on the road in rain/snow/late for
work mode. I'm on my third 4.0 powered Jeep and have found these motors
virtually bullet-proof.