D

I should have mentioned it, but both do have the Carfax report. I don't
wholly rely on Carfax entirely because of backyard fixes and the like, but
it is a good starting point for Louisiana cars. Unless somebody happened to
be down there on vacation. Nothing is certain in life is it? Heh.
Thanks Bill. I was waiting for you input especially. Doug are you around on
this too?
D

"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:44C01FDA.4C615F09@***.net...
> I think: http://www.carfax.com/ is worth the money, specially after
> all the flooding.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> D wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two
vehicles
> > I'm comparing for purchase.
> >
> > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very
clean
> > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system.
> > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on front,
> > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact
airbags,
> > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come
down
> > some from that.
> >
> > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very
> > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options
make
> > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks
> > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and
> > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price,
> > $15,200
> >
> > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car.
> > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited
trim
> > on a Laredo.
> > Any candid thoughts?
> > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good
behind
> > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe.
> > Thanks.
> > D

D

Thanks Billy Ray. I agree. Most of the problems with my 93 ZJ inline 6 have
been the accessories. Does that blend door cause the whole system to fail?
I'm sorry, I don't understand your second paragraph here. I assume the nv249
xfer case is the Quadra-Drive? What is the 'severe service' maintenance you
mention? There was no binding, stiffness or noise from the underside during
a 5 mile test drive. I did try to make several sharp, lock to lock turns
during it for that reason. I was surprised a full time 4WD could be so
smooth.
Do I understand you to say that the Select-Trac is more durable in your
opinion than the Quadra? Is this because it is only an occassional part-time
use of the system? I would think that gas mileage might be better with the
Selec-Trac since you're not driving the front wheels all the time too.
I have done the resistor checkout in my 93. I agree, simple and easy fix. I
am a recovering shade-tree guy anyway.
I don't care really too much about the hooks or the CD changer really. I
just put that in cause it came to mind, but thanks.
The tire reference is very telling. I do appreciate that type of
information.
Thanks for your input. Any other thoughts?

"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET...
> The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands are
the
> most common cause of expensive repairs.
>
> The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known
> tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in the
> vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor to
> get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace $12
> in parts. There may well be no warning before failure
>
> The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a
vehicle
> that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special
> attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when accelerating
> and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching. When
it
> fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The real
> 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer case.
>
> The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the
ATC.
> There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan
speeds.
> It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your
> driveway in a few minutes
>
> If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts department in
> chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy, you
> can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer can
also
> be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in
your
> factory radio.
>
> Other differences.
>
> Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in highway
> and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their specific
> size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands.
>
>
>
> "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
> news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > Hi All,
> > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two
vehicles
> > I'm comparing for purchase.
> >
> > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very
clean
> > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system.
> > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on front,
> > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact
> > airbags,
> > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come
down
> > some from that.
> >
> > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very
> > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options
> > make
> > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks
> > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and
> > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price,
> > $15,200
> >
> > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car.
> > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited
> > trim
> > on a Laredo.
> > Any candid thoughts?
> > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good
> > behind
> > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe.
> > Thanks.
> > D
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

D

Thanks Billy Ray. I agree. Most of the problems with my 93 ZJ inline 6 have
been the accessories. Does that blend door cause the whole system to fail?
I'm sorry, I don't understand your second paragraph here. I assume the nv249
xfer case is the Quadra-Drive? What is the 'severe service' maintenance you
mention? There was no binding, stiffness or noise from the underside during
a 5 mile test drive. I did try to make several sharp, lock to lock turns
during it for that reason. I was surprised a full time 4WD could be so
smooth.
Do I understand you to say that the Select-Trac is more durable in your
opinion than the Quadra? Is this because it is only an occassional part-time
use of the system? I would think that gas mileage might be better with the
Selec-Trac since you're not driving the front wheels all the time too.
I have done the resistor checkout in my 93. I agree, simple and easy fix. I
am a recovering shade-tree guy anyway.
I don't care really too much about the hooks or the CD changer really. I
just put that in cause it came to mind, but thanks.
The tire reference is very telling. I do appreciate that type of
information.
Thanks for your input. Any other thoughts?

"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET...
> The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands are
the
> most common cause of expensive repairs.
>
> The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known
> tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in the
> vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor to
> get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace $12
> in parts. There may well be no warning before failure
>
> The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a
vehicle
> that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special
> attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when accelerating
> and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching. When
it
> fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The real
> 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer case.
>
> The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the
ATC.
> There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan
speeds.
> It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your
> driveway in a few minutes
>
> If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts department in
> chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy, you
> can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer can
also
> be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in
your
> factory radio.
>
> Other differences.
>
> Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in highway
> and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their specific
> size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands.
>
>
>
> "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
> news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > Hi All,
> > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two
vehicles
> > I'm comparing for purchase.
> >
> > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very
clean
> > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system.
> > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on front,
> > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact
> > airbags,
> > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come
down
> > some from that.
> >
> > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very
> > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options
> > make
> > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks
> > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and
> > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price,
> > $15,200
> >
> > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car.
> > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited
> > trim
> > on a Laredo.
> > Any candid thoughts?
> > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good
> > behind
> > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe.
> > Thanks.
> > D
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

D

Thanks Billy Ray. I agree. Most of the problems with my 93 ZJ inline 6 have
been the accessories. Does that blend door cause the whole system to fail?
I'm sorry, I don't understand your second paragraph here. I assume the nv249
xfer case is the Quadra-Drive? What is the 'severe service' maintenance you
mention? There was no binding, stiffness or noise from the underside during
a 5 mile test drive. I did try to make several sharp, lock to lock turns
during it for that reason. I was surprised a full time 4WD could be so
smooth.
Do I understand you to say that the Select-Trac is more durable in your
opinion than the Quadra? Is this because it is only an occassional part-time
use of the system? I would think that gas mileage might be better with the
Selec-Trac since you're not driving the front wheels all the time too.
I have done the resistor checkout in my 93. I agree, simple and easy fix. I
am a recovering shade-tree guy anyway.
I don't care really too much about the hooks or the CD changer really. I
just put that in cause it came to mind, but thanks.
The tire reference is very telling. I do appreciate that type of
information.
Thanks for your input. Any other thoughts?

"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET...
> The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands are
the
> most common cause of expensive repairs.
>
> The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known
> tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in the
> vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor to
> get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace $12
> in parts. There may well be no warning before failure
>
> The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a
vehicle
> that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special
> attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when accelerating
> and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching. When
it
> fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The real
> 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer case.
>
> The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the
ATC.
> There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan
speeds.
> It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your
> driveway in a few minutes
>
> If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts department in
> chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy, you
> can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer can
also
> be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in
your
> factory radio.
>
> Other differences.
>
> Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in highway
> and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their specific
> size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands.
>
>
>
> "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
> news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > Hi All,
> > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two
vehicles
> > I'm comparing for purchase.
> >
> > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very
clean
> > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system.
> > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on front,
> > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact
> > airbags,
> > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come
down
> > some from that.
> >
> > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very
> > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options
> > make
> > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks
> > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and
> > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price,
> > $15,200
> >
> > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car.
> > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited
> > trim
> > on a Laredo.
> > Any candid thoughts?
> > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good
> > behind
> > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe.
> > Thanks.
> > D
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

D

Thanks Billy Ray. I agree. Most of the problems with my 93 ZJ inline 6 have
been the accessories. Does that blend door cause the whole system to fail?
I'm sorry, I don't understand your second paragraph here. I assume the nv249
xfer case is the Quadra-Drive? What is the 'severe service' maintenance you
mention? There was no binding, stiffness or noise from the underside during
a 5 mile test drive. I did try to make several sharp, lock to lock turns
during it for that reason. I was surprised a full time 4WD could be so
smooth.
Do I understand you to say that the Select-Trac is more durable in your
opinion than the Quadra? Is this because it is only an occassional part-time
use of the system? I would think that gas mileage might be better with the
Selec-Trac since you're not driving the front wheels all the time too.
I have done the resistor checkout in my 93. I agree, simple and easy fix. I
am a recovering shade-tree guy anyway.
I don't care really too much about the hooks or the CD changer really. I
just put that in cause it came to mind, but thanks.
The tire reference is very telling. I do appreciate that type of
information.
Thanks for your input. Any other thoughts?

"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET...
> The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands are
the
> most common cause of expensive repairs.
>
> The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known
> tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in the
> vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor to
> get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace $12
> in parts. There may well be no warning before failure
>
> The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a
vehicle
> that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special
> attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when accelerating
> and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching. When
it
> fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The real
> 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer case.
>
> The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the
ATC.
> There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan
speeds.
> It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your
> driveway in a few minutes
>
> If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts department in
> chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy, you
> can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer can
also
> be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in
your
> factory radio.
>
> Other differences.
>
> Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in highway
> and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their specific
> size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands.
>
>
>
> "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
> news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > Hi All,
> > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two
vehicles
> > I'm comparing for purchase.
> >
> > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very
clean
> > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system.
> > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on front,
> > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact
> > airbags,
> > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come
down
> > some from that.
> >
> > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very
> > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options
> > make
> > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks
> > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and
> > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price,
> > $15,200
> >
> > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car.
> > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited
> > trim
> > on a Laredo.
> > Any candid thoughts?
> > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good
> > behind
> > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe.
> > Thanks.
> > D
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Earle Horton

Selec-Trac is a 100% mechanical or geared system. That is to say, it
doesn't have any friction materials, viscous couplers, or electronic gizmos
to fail. Just gears, and three differentials that divide the torque between
the front and rear wheels. You can also put the lever in 2H and it is a
true two wheel drive system. That would be good for your gas mileage
concerns, but the Quadra-Drive system was supposedly designed for improved
bad weather on-road manners. I don't know how much better it could be than
Selec-Trac. If you really wanted to, I think you could put locking front
hubs on a Selec-Trac vehicle too. You have to decide for yourself which
concern is more important for you, and add in Billy Ray's potentially
expensive repair argument.

Good luck!

Earle

"D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
news:fyWvg.1801$D%4.1387@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> Thanks Billy Ray. I agree. Most of the problems with my 93 ZJ inline 6
have
> been the accessories. Does that blend door cause the whole system to fail?
> I'm sorry, I don't understand your second paragraph here. I assume the
nv249
> xfer case is the Quadra-Drive? What is the 'severe service' maintenance
you
> mention? There was no binding, stiffness or noise from the underside
during
> a 5 mile test drive. I did try to make several sharp, lock to lock turns
> during it for that reason. I was surprised a full time 4WD could be so
> smooth.
> Do I understand you to say that the Select-Trac is more durable in your
> opinion than the Quadra? Is this because it is only an occassional
part-time
> use of the system? I would think that gas mileage might be better with the
> Selec-Trac since you're not driving the front wheels all the time too.
> I have done the resistor checkout in my 93. I agree, simple and easy fix.
I
> am a recovering shade-tree guy anyway.
> I don't care really too much about the hooks or the CD changer really. I
> just put that in cause it came to mind, but thanks.
> The tire reference is very telling. I do appreciate that type of
> information.
> Thanks for your input. Any other thoughts?
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET...
> > The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands are
> the
> > most common cause of expensive repairs.
> >
> > The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known
> > tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in
the
> > vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor
to
> > get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace
$12
> > in parts. There may well be no warning before failure
> >
> > The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a
> vehicle
> > that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special
> > attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when
accelerating
> > and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching.
When
> it
> > fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The
real
> > 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer case.
> >
> > The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the
> ATC.
> > There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan
> speeds.
> > It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your
> > driveway in a few minutes
> >
> > If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts department
in
> > chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy,
you
> > can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer can
> also
> > be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in
> your
> > factory radio.
> >
> > Other differences.
> >
> > Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in
highway
> > and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their specific
> > size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands.
> >
> >
> >
> > "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
> > news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > Hi All,
> > > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two
> vehicles
> > > I'm comparing for purchase.
> > >
> > > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very
> clean
> > > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive
system.
> > > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on
front,
> > > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact
> > > airbags,
> > > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come
> down
> > > some from that.
> > >
> > > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also
very
> > > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options
> > > make
> > > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks
> > > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and
> > > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest
price,
> > > $15,200
> > >
> > > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car.
> > > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the
Limited
> > > trim
> > > on a Laredo.
> > > Any candid thoughts?
> > > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good
> > > behind
> > > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe.
> > > Thanks.
> > > D
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Earle Horton

Selec-Trac is a 100% mechanical or geared system. That is to say, it
doesn't have any friction materials, viscous couplers, or electronic gizmos
to fail. Just gears, and three differentials that divide the torque between
the front and rear wheels. You can also put the lever in 2H and it is a
true two wheel drive system. That would be good for your gas mileage
concerns, but the Quadra-Drive system was supposedly designed for improved
bad weather on-road manners. I don't know how much better it could be than
Selec-Trac. If you really wanted to, I think you could put locking front
hubs on a Selec-Trac vehicle too. You have to decide for yourself which
concern is more important for you, and add in Billy Ray's potentially
expensive repair argument.

Good luck!

Earle

"D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
news:fyWvg.1801$D%4.1387@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> Thanks Billy Ray. I agree. Most of the problems with my 93 ZJ inline 6
have
> been the accessories. Does that blend door cause the whole system to fail?
> I'm sorry, I don't understand your second paragraph here. I assume the
nv249
> xfer case is the Quadra-Drive? What is the 'severe service' maintenance
you
> mention? There was no binding, stiffness or noise from the underside
during
> a 5 mile test drive. I did try to make several sharp, lock to lock turns
> during it for that reason. I was surprised a full time 4WD could be so
> smooth.
> Do I understand you to say that the Select-Trac is more durable in your
> opinion than the Quadra? Is this because it is only an occassional
part-time
> use of the system? I would think that gas mileage might be better with the
> Selec-Trac since you're not driving the front wheels all the time too.
> I have done the resistor checkout in my 93. I agree, simple and easy fix.
I
> am a recovering shade-tree guy anyway.
> I don't care really too much about the hooks or the CD changer really. I
> just put that in cause it came to mind, but thanks.
> The tire reference is very telling. I do appreciate that type of
> information.
> Thanks for your input. Any other thoughts?
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET...
> > The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands are
> the
> > most common cause of expensive repairs.
> >
> > The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known
> > tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in
the
> > vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor
to
> > get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace
$12
> > in parts. There may well be no warning before failure
> >
> > The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a
> vehicle
> > that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special
> > attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when
accelerating
> > and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching.
When
> it
> > fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The
real
> > 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer case.
> >
> > The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the
> ATC.
> > There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan
> speeds.
> > It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your
> > driveway in a few minutes
> >
> > If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts department
in
> > chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy,
you
> > can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer can
> also
> > be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in
> your
> > factory radio.
> >
> > Other differences.
> >
> > Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in
highway
> > and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their specific
> > size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands.
> >
> >
> >
> > "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
> > news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > Hi All,
> > > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two
> vehicles
> > > I'm comparing for purchase.
> > >
> > > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very
> clean
> > > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive
system.
> > > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on
front,
> > > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact
> > > airbags,
> > > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come
> down
> > > some from that.
> > >
> > > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also
very
> > > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options
> > > make
> > > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks
> > > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and
> > > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest
price,
> > > $15,200
> > >
> > > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car.
> > > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the
Limited
> > > trim
> > > on a Laredo.
> > > Any candid thoughts?
> > > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good
> > > behind
> > > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe.
> > > Thanks.
> > > D
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Earle Horton

Selec-Trac is a 100% mechanical or geared system. That is to say, it
doesn't have any friction materials, viscous couplers, or electronic gizmos
to fail. Just gears, and three differentials that divide the torque between
the front and rear wheels. You can also put the lever in 2H and it is a
true two wheel drive system. That would be good for your gas mileage
concerns, but the Quadra-Drive system was supposedly designed for improved
bad weather on-road manners. I don't know how much better it could be than
Selec-Trac. If you really wanted to, I think you could put locking front
hubs on a Selec-Trac vehicle too. You have to decide for yourself which
concern is more important for you, and add in Billy Ray's potentially
expensive repair argument.

Good luck!

Earle

"D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
news:fyWvg.1801$D%4.1387@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> Thanks Billy Ray. I agree. Most of the problems with my 93 ZJ inline 6
have
> been the accessories. Does that blend door cause the whole system to fail?
> I'm sorry, I don't understand your second paragraph here. I assume the
nv249
> xfer case is the Quadra-Drive? What is the 'severe service' maintenance
you
> mention? There was no binding, stiffness or noise from the underside
during
> a 5 mile test drive. I did try to make several sharp, lock to lock turns
> during it for that reason. I was surprised a full time 4WD could be so
> smooth.
> Do I understand you to say that the Select-Trac is more durable in your
> opinion than the Quadra? Is this because it is only an occassional
part-time
> use of the system? I would think that gas mileage might be better with the
> Selec-Trac since you're not driving the front wheels all the time too.
> I have done the resistor checkout in my 93. I agree, simple and easy fix.
I
> am a recovering shade-tree guy anyway.
> I don't care really too much about the hooks or the CD changer really. I
> just put that in cause it came to mind, but thanks.
> The tire reference is very telling. I do appreciate that type of
> information.
> Thanks for your input. Any other thoughts?
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET...
> > The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands are
> the
> > most common cause of expensive repairs.
> >
> > The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known
> > tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in
the
> > vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor
to
> > get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace
$12
> > in parts. There may well be no warning before failure
> >
> > The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a
> vehicle
> > that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special
> > attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when
accelerating
> > and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching.
When
> it
> > fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The
real
> > 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer case.
> >
> > The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the
> ATC.
> > There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan
> speeds.
> > It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your
> > driveway in a few minutes
> >
> > If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts department
in
> > chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy,
you
> > can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer can
> also
> > be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in
> your
> > factory radio.
> >
> > Other differences.
> >
> > Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in
highway
> > and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their specific
> > size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands.
> >
> >
> >
> > "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
> > news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > Hi All,
> > > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two
> vehicles
> > > I'm comparing for purchase.
> > >
> > > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very
> clean
> > > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive
system.
> > > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on
front,
> > > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact
> > > airbags,
> > > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come
> down
> > > some from that.
> > >
> > > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also
very
> > > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options
> > > make
> > > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks
> > > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and
> > > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest
price,
> > > $15,200
> > >
> > > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car.
> > > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the
Limited
> > > trim
> > > on a Laredo.
> > > Any candid thoughts?
> > > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good
> > > behind
> > > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe.
> > > Thanks.
> > > D
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Earle Horton

Selec-Trac is a 100% mechanical or geared system. That is to say, it
doesn't have any friction materials, viscous couplers, or electronic gizmos
to fail. Just gears, and three differentials that divide the torque between
the front and rear wheels. You can also put the lever in 2H and it is a
true two wheel drive system. That would be good for your gas mileage
concerns, but the Quadra-Drive system was supposedly designed for improved
bad weather on-road manners. I don't know how much better it could be than
Selec-Trac. If you really wanted to, I think you could put locking front
hubs on a Selec-Trac vehicle too. You have to decide for yourself which
concern is more important for you, and add in Billy Ray's potentially
expensive repair argument.

Good luck!

Earle

"D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
news:fyWvg.1801$D%4.1387@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> Thanks Billy Ray. I agree. Most of the problems with my 93 ZJ inline 6
have
> been the accessories. Does that blend door cause the whole system to fail?
> I'm sorry, I don't understand your second paragraph here. I assume the
nv249
> xfer case is the Quadra-Drive? What is the 'severe service' maintenance
you
> mention? There was no binding, stiffness or noise from the underside
during
> a 5 mile test drive. I did try to make several sharp, lock to lock turns
> during it for that reason. I was surprised a full time 4WD could be so
> smooth.
> Do I understand you to say that the Select-Trac is more durable in your
> opinion than the Quadra? Is this because it is only an occassional
part-time
> use of the system? I would think that gas mileage might be better with the
> Selec-Trac since you're not driving the front wheels all the time too.
> I have done the resistor checkout in my 93. I agree, simple and easy fix.
I
> am a recovering shade-tree guy anyway.
> I don't care really too much about the hooks or the CD changer really. I
> just put that in cause it came to mind, but thanks.
> The tire reference is very telling. I do appreciate that type of
> information.
> Thanks for your input. Any other thoughts?
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET...
> > The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands are
> the
> > most common cause of expensive repairs.
> >
> > The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known
> > tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in
the
> > vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor
to
> > get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace
$12
> > in parts. There may well be no warning before failure
> >
> > The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a
> vehicle
> > that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special
> > attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when
accelerating
> > and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching.
When
> it
> > fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The
real
> > 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer case.
> >
> > The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the
> ATC.
> > There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan
> speeds.
> > It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your
> > driveway in a few minutes
> >
> > If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts department
in
> > chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy,
you
> > can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer can
> also
> > be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in
> your
> > factory radio.
> >
> > Other differences.
> >
> > Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in
highway
> > and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their specific
> > size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands.
> >
> >
> >
> > "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
> > news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > Hi All,
> > > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two
> vehicles
> > > I'm comparing for purchase.
> > >
> > > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very
> clean
> > > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive
system.
> > > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on
front,
> > > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact
> > > airbags,
> > > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come
> down
> > > some from that.
> > >
> > > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also
very
> > > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options
> > > make
> > > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks
> > > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and
> > > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest
price,
> > > $15,200
> > >
> > > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car.
> > > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the
Limited
> > > trim
> > > on a Laredo.
> > > Any candid thoughts?
> > > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good
> > > behind
> > > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe.
> > > Thanks.
> > > D
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

D

Thanks Earle.
Very good thoughts about the Selec-Trac. I only wish I could get him down a
couple hundred more $'s and I think it would be a deal.
D
"Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
news:44c03bce$0$23737$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> Selec-Trac is a 100% mechanical or geared system. That is to say, it
> doesn't have any friction materials, viscous couplers, or electronic
gizmos
> to fail. Just gears, and three differentials that divide the torque
between
> the front and rear wheels. You can also put the lever in 2H and it is a
> true two wheel drive system. That would be good for your gas mileage
> concerns, but the Quadra-Drive system was supposedly designed for improved
> bad weather on-road manners. I don't know how much better it could be
than
> Selec-Trac. If you really wanted to, I think you could put locking front
> hubs on a Selec-Trac vehicle too. You have to decide for yourself which
> concern is more important for you, and add in Billy Ray's potentially
> expensive repair argument.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Earle
>
> "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
> news:fyWvg.1801$D%4.1387@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > Thanks Billy Ray. I agree. Most of the problems with my 93 ZJ inline 6
> have
> > been the accessories. Does that blend door cause the whole system to
fail?
> > I'm sorry, I don't understand your second paragraph here. I assume the
> nv249
> > xfer case is the Quadra-Drive? What is the 'severe service' maintenance
> you
> > mention? There was no binding, stiffness or noise from the underside
> during
> > a 5 mile test drive. I did try to make several sharp, lock to lock turns
> > during it for that reason. I was surprised a full time 4WD could be so
> > smooth.
> > Do I understand you to say that the Select-Trac is more durable in your
> > opinion than the Quadra? Is this because it is only an occassional
> part-time
> > use of the system? I would think that gas mileage might be better with
the
> > Selec-Trac since you're not driving the front wheels all the time too.
> > I have done the resistor checkout in my 93. I agree, simple and easy
fix.
> I
> > am a recovering shade-tree guy anyway.
> > I don't care really too much about the hooks or the CD changer really. I
> > just put that in cause it came to mind, but thanks.
> > The tire reference is very telling. I do appreciate that type of
> > information.
> > Thanks for your input. Any other thoughts?
> >
> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> > news:a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET...
> > > The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands
are
> > the
> > > most common cause of expensive repairs.
> > >
> > > The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known
> > > tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in
> the
> > > vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor
> to
> > > get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace
> $12
> > > in parts. There may well be no warning before failure
> > >
> > > The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a
> > vehicle
> > > that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special
> > > attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when
> accelerating
> > > and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching.
> When
> > it
> > > fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The
> real
> > > 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer
case.
> > >
> > > The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the
> > ATC.
> > > There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan
> > speeds.
> > > It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your
> > > driveway in a few minutes
> > >
> > > If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts
department
> in
> > > chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy,
> you
> > > can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer
can
> > also
> > > be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in
> > your
> > > factory radio.
> > >
> > > Other differences.
> > >
> > > Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in
> highway
> > > and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their
specific
> > > size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
> > > news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > > Hi All,
> > > > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two
> > vehicles
> > > > I'm comparing for purchase.
> > > >
> > > > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very
> > clean
> > > > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive
> system.
> > > > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on
> front,
> > > > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact
> > > > airbags,
> > > > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come
> > down
> > > > some from that.
> > > >
> > > > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also
> very
> > > > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other
options
> > > > make
> > > > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow
hooks
> > > > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver
and
> > > > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest
> price,
> > > > $15,200
> > > >
> > > > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car.
> > > > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the
> Limited
> > > > trim
> > > > on a Laredo.
> > > > Any candid thoughts?
> > > > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good
> > > > behind
> > > > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe.
> > > > Thanks.
> > > > D
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>