Lon

Problem is that most folks think short commutes at city street speeds
are better for a vehicle than a 30 mile high speed freeway run. Fluids
never get hot enough to burn off condensation.

billy ray proclaimed:
> If we can get Bill to post you a link to the WJ maintenance and Lubrication
> Schedule you can get details on the differences.
>
> I read a story some time ago that according to GM over 90 percent of drivers
> should be following 'severe service' rather than the maintenance schedule
> the manufacturers advertise.
>
>
> I assume it is similar or higher for Jeeps.
>
>
>
> "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
> news:TbYvg.6947$PN4.394@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
>>Billy Ray,
>>What a great site ! ! ! THanks so much! That will really help.
>>So, taking the dash out is a job huh? That's an understatement. Heh.
>>Thanks for the explanation of 'severe service'.
>>I do appreciate all the help. It clears a lot up for me.
>>D
>>
>>"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>>news:94006$44c04b27$48311eaf$7039@FUSE.NET...
>>
>>>There is blend door write up on WJ Jeeps at:
>>>http://www.wjjeeps.com/hvac_sub_assembly.htm
>>>
>>>In 'severe service' you replace most of the underbody lubricants on a
>>
>>yearly
>>
>>>basis, on the other schedule they are 'lifetime' fluids.
>>>
>>>I would also take the vehicle to a dead end street or parking lot at
>>>night
>>>(when it is quieter) and listen for noises/bindings while at slow speed
>>>going from full lock to lock
>>>
>>>I was somewhat surprised at the lack of tire options myself. This is
>>>compounded by a lack of information about what other 17 inch sizes will
>>>actually fit without interference or lifting.
>>>
>>>I suspect that mileage would be somewhat better with the Selec-Trac but
>>
>>I've
>>
>>>never heard that it was very much.
>>>
>>>
>>>"D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
>>>news:fyWvg.1801$D%4.1387@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>>
>>>>Thanks Billy Ray. I agree. Most of the problems with my 93 ZJ inline 6
>>>>have
>>>>been the accessories. Does that blend door cause the whole system to
>>
>>fail?
>>
>>>>I'm sorry, I don't understand your second paragraph here. I assume the
>>>>nv249
>>>>xfer case is the Quadra-Drive? What is the 'severe service' maintenance
>>>>you
>>>>mention? There was no binding, stiffness or noise from the underside
>>>>during
>>>>a 5 mile test drive. I did try to make several sharp, lock to lock
>>>>turns
>>>>during it for that reason. I was surprised a full time 4WD could be so
>>>>smooth.
>>>>Do I understand you to say that the Select-Trac is more durable in your
>>>>opinion than the Quadra? Is this because it is only an occassional
>>>>part-time
>>>>use of the system? I would think that gas mileage might be better with
>>
>>the
>>
>>>>Selec-Trac since you're not driving the front wheels all the time too.
>>>>I have done the resistor checkout in my 93. I agree, simple and easy
>>
>>fix.
>>
>>>>I
>>>>am a recovering shade-tree guy anyway.
>>>>I don't care really too much about the hooks or the CD changer really.
>>>>I
>>>>just put that in cause it came to mind, but thanks.
>>>>The tire reference is very telling. I do appreciate that type of
>>>>information.
>>>>Thanks for your input. Any other thoughts?
>>>>
>>>>"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET.. .
>>>>
>>>>>The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands
>>
>>are
>>
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>>most common cause of expensive repairs.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known
>>>>>tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in
>>>>>the
>>>>>vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor
>>
>>to
>>
>>>>>get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace
>>>>>$12
>>>>>in parts. There may well be no warning before failure
>>>>>
>>>>>The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a
>>>>
>>>>vehicle
>>>>
>>>>>that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special
>>>>>attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when
>>
>>accelerating
>>
>>>>>and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching.
>>
>>When
>>
>>>>it
>>>>
>>>>>fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The
>>>>>real
>>>>>'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer
>>
>>case.
>>
>>>>>The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the
>>>>
>>>>ATC.
>>>>
>>>>>There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan
>>>>
>>>>speeds.
>>>>
>>>>>It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your
>>>>>driveway in a few minutes
>>>>>
>>>>>If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts
>>>>>department
>>>>>in
>>>>>chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy,
>>>>>you
>>>>>can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer
>>>>>can
>>>>
>>>>also
>>>>
>>>>>be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in
>>>>
>>>>your
>>>>
>>>>>factory radio.
>>>>>
>>>>>Other differences.
>>>>>
>>>>>Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in
>>>>>highway
>>>>>and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their
>>
>>specific
>>
>>>>>size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi All,
>>>>>>I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two
>>>>
>>>>vehicles
>>>>
>>>>>>I'm comparing for purchase.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very
>>>>
>>>>clean
>>>>
>>>>>>and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive
>>
>>system.
>>
>>>>>>Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on
>>>>>>front,
>>>>>>dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact
>>>>>>airbags,
>>>>>>90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come
>>>>
>>>>down
>>>>
>>>>>>some from that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also
>>
>>very
>>
>>>>>>clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other
>>
>>options
>>
>>>>>>make
>>>>>>it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow
>>>>>>hooks
>>>>>>though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver
>>
>>and
>>
>>>>>>passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest
>>
>>price,
>>
>>>>>>$15,200
>>>>>>
>>>>>>V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car.
>>>>>>V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the
>>
>>Limited
>>
>>>>>>trim
>>>>>>on a Laredo.
>>>>>>Any candid thoughts?
>>>>>>I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good
>>>>>>behind
>>>>>>that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe.
>>>>>>Thanks.
>>>>>>D
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Lon

Problem is that most folks think short commutes at city street speeds
are better for a vehicle than a 30 mile high speed freeway run. Fluids
never get hot enough to burn off condensation.

billy ray proclaimed:
> If we can get Bill to post you a link to the WJ maintenance and Lubrication
> Schedule you can get details on the differences.
>
> I read a story some time ago that according to GM over 90 percent of drivers
> should be following 'severe service' rather than the maintenance schedule
> the manufacturers advertise.
>
>
> I assume it is similar or higher for Jeeps.
>
>
>
> "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
> news:TbYvg.6947$PN4.394@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
>>Billy Ray,
>>What a great site ! ! ! THanks so much! That will really help.
>>So, taking the dash out is a job huh? That's an understatement. Heh.
>>Thanks for the explanation of 'severe service'.
>>I do appreciate all the help. It clears a lot up for me.
>>D
>>
>>"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>>news:94006$44c04b27$48311eaf$7039@FUSE.NET...
>>
>>>There is blend door write up on WJ Jeeps at:
>>>http://www.wjjeeps.com/hvac_sub_assembly.htm
>>>
>>>In 'severe service' you replace most of the underbody lubricants on a
>>
>>yearly
>>
>>>basis, on the other schedule they are 'lifetime' fluids.
>>>
>>>I would also take the vehicle to a dead end street or parking lot at
>>>night
>>>(when it is quieter) and listen for noises/bindings while at slow speed
>>>going from full lock to lock
>>>
>>>I was somewhat surprised at the lack of tire options myself. This is
>>>compounded by a lack of information about what other 17 inch sizes will
>>>actually fit without interference or lifting.
>>>
>>>I suspect that mileage would be somewhat better with the Selec-Trac but
>>
>>I've
>>
>>>never heard that it was very much.
>>>
>>>
>>>"D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
>>>news:fyWvg.1801$D%4.1387@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>>
>>>>Thanks Billy Ray. I agree. Most of the problems with my 93 ZJ inline 6
>>>>have
>>>>been the accessories. Does that blend door cause the whole system to
>>
>>fail?
>>
>>>>I'm sorry, I don't understand your second paragraph here. I assume the
>>>>nv249
>>>>xfer case is the Quadra-Drive? What is the 'severe service' maintenance
>>>>you
>>>>mention? There was no binding, stiffness or noise from the underside
>>>>during
>>>>a 5 mile test drive. I did try to make several sharp, lock to lock
>>>>turns
>>>>during it for that reason. I was surprised a full time 4WD could be so
>>>>smooth.
>>>>Do I understand you to say that the Select-Trac is more durable in your
>>>>opinion than the Quadra? Is this because it is only an occassional
>>>>part-time
>>>>use of the system? I would think that gas mileage might be better with
>>
>>the
>>
>>>>Selec-Trac since you're not driving the front wheels all the time too.
>>>>I have done the resistor checkout in my 93. I agree, simple and easy
>>
>>fix.
>>
>>>>I
>>>>am a recovering shade-tree guy anyway.
>>>>I don't care really too much about the hooks or the CD changer really.
>>>>I
>>>>just put that in cause it came to mind, but thanks.
>>>>The tire reference is very telling. I do appreciate that type of
>>>>information.
>>>>Thanks for your input. Any other thoughts?
>>>>
>>>>"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET.. .
>>>>
>>>>>The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands
>>
>>are
>>
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>>most common cause of expensive repairs.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known
>>>>>tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in
>>>>>the
>>>>>vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor
>>
>>to
>>
>>>>>get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace
>>>>>$12
>>>>>in parts. There may well be no warning before failure
>>>>>
>>>>>The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a
>>>>
>>>>vehicle
>>>>
>>>>>that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special
>>>>>attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when
>>
>>accelerating
>>
>>>>>and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching.
>>
>>When
>>
>>>>it
>>>>
>>>>>fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The
>>>>>real
>>>>>'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer
>>
>>case.
>>
>>>>>The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the
>>>>
>>>>ATC.
>>>>
>>>>>There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan
>>>>
>>>>speeds.
>>>>
>>>>>It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your
>>>>>driveway in a few minutes
>>>>>
>>>>>If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts
>>>>>department
>>>>>in
>>>>>chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy,
>>>>>you
>>>>>can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer
>>>>>can
>>>>
>>>>also
>>>>
>>>>>be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in
>>>>
>>>>your
>>>>
>>>>>factory radio.
>>>>>
>>>>>Other differences.
>>>>>
>>>>>Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in
>>>>>highway
>>>>>and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their
>>
>>specific
>>
>>>>>size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi All,
>>>>>>I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two
>>>>
>>>>vehicles
>>>>
>>>>>>I'm comparing for purchase.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very
>>>>
>>>>clean
>>>>
>>>>>>and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive
>>
>>system.
>>
>>>>>>Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on
>>>>>>front,
>>>>>>dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact
>>>>>>airbags,
>>>>>>90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come
>>>>
>>>>down
>>>>
>>>>>>some from that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also
>>
>>very
>>
>>>>>>clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other
>>
>>options
>>
>>>>>>make
>>>>>>it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow
>>>>>>hooks
>>>>>>though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver
>>
>>and
>>
>>>>>>passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest
>>
>>price,
>>
>>>>>>$15,200
>>>>>>
>>>>>>V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car.
>>>>>>V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the
>>
>>Limited
>>
>>>>>>trim
>>>>>>on a Laredo.
>>>>>>Any candid thoughts?
>>>>>>I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good
>>>>>>behind
>>>>>>that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe.
>>>>>>Thanks.
>>>>>>D
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Lon

Problem is that most folks think short commutes at city street speeds
are better for a vehicle than a 30 mile high speed freeway run. Fluids
never get hot enough to burn off condensation.

billy ray proclaimed:
> If we can get Bill to post you a link to the WJ maintenance and Lubrication
> Schedule you can get details on the differences.
>
> I read a story some time ago that according to GM over 90 percent of drivers
> should be following 'severe service' rather than the maintenance schedule
> the manufacturers advertise.
>
>
> I assume it is similar or higher for Jeeps.
>
>
>
> "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
> news:TbYvg.6947$PN4.394@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
>>Billy Ray,
>>What a great site ! ! ! THanks so much! That will really help.
>>So, taking the dash out is a job huh? That's an understatement. Heh.
>>Thanks for the explanation of 'severe service'.
>>I do appreciate all the help. It clears a lot up for me.
>>D
>>
>>"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>>news:94006$44c04b27$48311eaf$7039@FUSE.NET...
>>
>>>There is blend door write up on WJ Jeeps at:
>>>http://www.wjjeeps.com/hvac_sub_assembly.htm
>>>
>>>In 'severe service' you replace most of the underbody lubricants on a
>>
>>yearly
>>
>>>basis, on the other schedule they are 'lifetime' fluids.
>>>
>>>I would also take the vehicle to a dead end street or parking lot at
>>>night
>>>(when it is quieter) and listen for noises/bindings while at slow speed
>>>going from full lock to lock
>>>
>>>I was somewhat surprised at the lack of tire options myself. This is
>>>compounded by a lack of information about what other 17 inch sizes will
>>>actually fit without interference or lifting.
>>>
>>>I suspect that mileage would be somewhat better with the Selec-Trac but
>>
>>I've
>>
>>>never heard that it was very much.
>>>
>>>
>>>"D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
>>>news:fyWvg.1801$D%4.1387@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>>
>>>>Thanks Billy Ray. I agree. Most of the problems with my 93 ZJ inline 6
>>>>have
>>>>been the accessories. Does that blend door cause the whole system to
>>
>>fail?
>>
>>>>I'm sorry, I don't understand your second paragraph here. I assume the
>>>>nv249
>>>>xfer case is the Quadra-Drive? What is the 'severe service' maintenance
>>>>you
>>>>mention? There was no binding, stiffness or noise from the underside
>>>>during
>>>>a 5 mile test drive. I did try to make several sharp, lock to lock
>>>>turns
>>>>during it for that reason. I was surprised a full time 4WD could be so
>>>>smooth.
>>>>Do I understand you to say that the Select-Trac is more durable in your
>>>>opinion than the Quadra? Is this because it is only an occassional
>>>>part-time
>>>>use of the system? I would think that gas mileage might be better with
>>
>>the
>>
>>>>Selec-Trac since you're not driving the front wheels all the time too.
>>>>I have done the resistor checkout in my 93. I agree, simple and easy
>>
>>fix.
>>
>>>>I
>>>>am a recovering shade-tree guy anyway.
>>>>I don't care really too much about the hooks or the CD changer really.
>>>>I
>>>>just put that in cause it came to mind, but thanks.
>>>>The tire reference is very telling. I do appreciate that type of
>>>>information.
>>>>Thanks for your input. Any other thoughts?
>>>>
>>>>"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET.. .
>>>>
>>>>>The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands
>>
>>are
>>
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>>most common cause of expensive repairs.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known
>>>>>tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in
>>>>>the
>>>>>vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor
>>
>>to
>>
>>>>>get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace
>>>>>$12
>>>>>in parts. There may well be no warning before failure
>>>>>
>>>>>The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a
>>>>
>>>>vehicle
>>>>
>>>>>that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special
>>>>>attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when
>>
>>accelerating
>>
>>>>>and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching.
>>
>>When
>>
>>>>it
>>>>
>>>>>fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The
>>>>>real
>>>>>'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer
>>
>>case.
>>
>>>>>The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the
>>>>
>>>>ATC.
>>>>
>>>>>There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan
>>>>
>>>>speeds.
>>>>
>>>>>It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your
>>>>>driveway in a few minutes
>>>>>
>>>>>If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts
>>>>>department
>>>>>in
>>>>>chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy,
>>>>>you
>>>>>can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer
>>>>>can
>>>>
>>>>also
>>>>
>>>>>be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in
>>>>
>>>>your
>>>>
>>>>>factory radio.
>>>>>
>>>>>Other differences.
>>>>>
>>>>>Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in
>>>>>highway
>>>>>and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their
>>
>>specific
>>
>>>>>size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi All,
>>>>>>I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two
>>>>
>>>>vehicles
>>>>
>>>>>>I'm comparing for purchase.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very
>>>>
>>>>clean
>>>>
>>>>>>and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive
>>
>>system.
>>
>>>>>>Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on
>>>>>>front,
>>>>>>dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact
>>>>>>airbags,
>>>>>>90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come
>>>>
>>>>down
>>>>
>>>>>>some from that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also
>>
>>very
>>
>>>>>>clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other
>>
>>options
>>
>>>>>>make
>>>>>>it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow
>>>>>>hooks
>>>>>>though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver
>>
>>and
>>
>>>>>>passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest
>>
>>price,
>>
>>>>>>$15,200
>>>>>>
>>>>>>V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car.
>>>>>>V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the
>>
>>Limited
>>
>>>>>>trim
>>>>>>on a Laredo.
>>>>>>Any candid thoughts?
>>>>>>I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good
>>>>>>behind
>>>>>>that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe.
>>>>>>Thanks.
>>>>>>D
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

EDWARD BELLUS

I think the only time you would see a better deal with the
Quadra....limited slip kind of behavior is low range 1 or 2 tires in the
air kind of situation where it would throw torque to the tires
w/traction. BTW...this is gonna be last year of the in-line 6 4.0. You
REALLY need to hear just how pretty a 4.0 sounds with merely a free-flow
muffler (think early Jag or similar). I read somewhere that the inline
6 is the most innately/harmonically balanced engine design of any motor
ever made...including anything V-12, straight-8, etc. I stomp my loud
pedal just for the music....and to blow doors off!

EDWARD BELLUS

I think the only time you would see a better deal with the
Quadra....limited slip kind of behavior is low range 1 or 2 tires in the
air kind of situation where it would throw torque to the tires
w/traction. BTW...this is gonna be last year of the in-line 6 4.0. You
REALLY need to hear just how pretty a 4.0 sounds with merely a free-flow
muffler (think early Jag or similar). I read somewhere that the inline
6 is the most innately/harmonically balanced engine design of any motor
ever made...including anything V-12, straight-8, etc. I stomp my loud
pedal just for the music....and to blow doors off!

EDWARD BELLUS

I think the only time you would see a better deal with the
Quadra....limited slip kind of behavior is low range 1 or 2 tires in the
air kind of situation where it would throw torque to the tires
w/traction. BTW...this is gonna be last year of the in-line 6 4.0. You
REALLY need to hear just how pretty a 4.0 sounds with merely a free-flow
muffler (think early Jag or similar). I read somewhere that the inline
6 is the most innately/harmonically balanced engine design of any motor
ever made...including anything V-12, straight-8, etc. I stomp my loud
pedal just for the music....and to blow doors off!

EDWARD BELLUS

I think the only time you would see a better deal with the
Quadra....limited slip kind of behavior is low range 1 or 2 tires in the
air kind of situation where it would throw torque to the tires
w/traction. BTW...this is gonna be last year of the in-line 6 4.0. You
REALLY need to hear just how pretty a 4.0 sounds with merely a free-flow
muffler (think early Jag or similar). I read somewhere that the inline
6 is the most innately/harmonically balanced engine design of any motor
ever made...including anything V-12, straight-8, etc. I stomp my loud
pedal just for the music....and to blow doors off!