Matt Macchiarolo

In article <vnunpd32e1eedf@corp.supernews.com>, "Gerald G. McGeorge"
<gmcgeorge@frontier.net> writes:

>We now have a form of government that's best described as "Of the Lawyers,
>By the Lawyers and For the Lawyers"

I would append this to read "Of the Lawyers & Insurance Companies,
>By the Lawyers & Insurance Companies, and For the Lawyers & Insurance
Companies," because the insurance companies for the most part pay the
settlements on behalf of the insured, and then everyone pays through higher
premiums...

In the US attorneys even advertise, look in any phone book and you'll see full
page ads with catch phrases like "medical malpractice," "slip and fall,"
"personal injury," "get every dollar you deserve...", in Detroit, "Attorney Sam
Bernstein" has TV ads during the daytime talk shows.

My wife's brother-in-law is an attorney but he's dealt more with criminal
defense. His brother, however, is one of those who gives attorneys the bad
rap...he's one of those ambulance chasers who screws the insurance companies,
but if he loses a case and his clients can't pay his fees (no settlement to
take 40% of), he puts a lien on his client's house, etc.

They used to share an office and their practice until his brother had all
incoming calls to the office (i.e. new clients) forwarded to his house, so now
he's going to start his own practice.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html

Matt Macchiarolo

In article <vnunpd32e1eedf@corp.supernews.com>, "Gerald G. McGeorge"
<gmcgeorge@frontier.net> writes:

>We now have a form of government that's best described as "Of the Lawyers,
>By the Lawyers and For the Lawyers"

I would append this to read "Of the Lawyers & Insurance Companies,
>By the Lawyers & Insurance Companies, and For the Lawyers & Insurance
Companies," because the insurance companies for the most part pay the
settlements on behalf of the insured, and then everyone pays through higher
premiums...

In the US attorneys even advertise, look in any phone book and you'll see full
page ads with catch phrases like "medical malpractice," "slip and fall,"
"personal injury," "get every dollar you deserve...", in Detroit, "Attorney Sam
Bernstein" has TV ads during the daytime talk shows.

My wife's brother-in-law is an attorney but he's dealt more with criminal
defense. His brother, however, is one of those who gives attorneys the bad
rap...he's one of those ambulance chasers who screws the insurance companies,
but if he loses a case and his clients can't pay his fees (no settlement to
take 40% of), he puts a lien on his client's house, etc.

They used to share an office and their practice until his brother had all
incoming calls to the office (i.e. new clients) forwarded to his house, so now
he's going to start his own practice.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html

Matt Macchiarolo

In article <vnunpd32e1eedf@corp.supernews.com>, "Gerald G. McGeorge"
<gmcgeorge@frontier.net> writes:

>Exactly, you now understand the entire American Tort
>system. It's sort of a not-too-complex lottery, where truth is the first
>casualty.

And IIRC, the US tort system is unique in the world....
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html

Matt Macchiarolo

In article <vnunpd32e1eedf@corp.supernews.com>, "Gerald G. McGeorge"
<gmcgeorge@frontier.net> writes:

>Exactly, you now understand the entire American Tort
>system. It's sort of a not-too-complex lottery, where truth is the first
>casualty.

And IIRC, the US tort system is unique in the world....
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html

Matt Macchiarolo

In article <vnunpd32e1eedf@corp.supernews.com>, "Gerald G. McGeorge"
<gmcgeorge@frontier.net> writes:

>Exactly, you now understand the entire American Tort
>system. It's sort of a not-too-complex lottery, where truth is the first
>casualty.

And IIRC, the US tort system is unique in the world....
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html

Terry Jeffrey

Amen to that. It's a friggin joke these days.

Terry.


"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:vnunpd32e1eedf@corp.supernews.com...
> (Ok, now I rant!) Exactly, you now understand the entire American Tort
> system. It's sort of a not-too-complex lottery, where truth is the first
> casualty. It's an insidious system that's a form of rot, eating away at
our
> entire societal system, sort of like a snake eating it's own tail. It's
well
> understood by the people, but attempts at bringing the mess under control
> are always stopped at the highest levels of Govt. Clinton repeatedly
vetoed
> every tort reform Bill put in front of him, naturally, because he's an
> attorney himself and beholden to the trial lawyers. The most notable veto
> of his Presidency in this regard was a Bill to adopt the UK system of
> requiring the Plaintiff to absorb the Defendants costs in the event they
> lost.
>
> We now have a form of government that's best described as "Of the Lawyers,
> By the Lawyers and For the Lawyers" Nearly every US Senator, especially on
> the Democrat side, is a millionaire and is in some way an attorney or
linked
> in some way to the money-generating side of the legal system. They take
> enormous sums of political contributions from the trial lawyers and their
> lobbying groups. Naturally, they defend themselves by saying they're
> defending the "little guy", but the entire system is a complete scam.
>
> (Don't get me started!)
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:d7Ifb.9132$GV1.75973734@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > so the plan is to sue on whatever until you "get lucky ?
> >
> > --
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> >
> > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> > news:vnu7a7b1i87ke4@corp.supernews.com...
> > : Indeed, that's the heart of our legal mess. You can sue based upon any
> > : plausible legal breach. Since you're not liable for the defendants
costs
> > you
> > : can use the law to troll for a pre-trial settlement by making a
complete
> > : nuisance of yourself. Trial lawyers (you actually have a better word
for
> > : them, "Solicitors", which over here means a prostitute) have set up
> > research
> > : groups looking at various industries which would represent good
targets
> > for
> > : lawsuits.
> > :
> > : Using the precedents set by huge tobacco industry lawsuits the trial
> > lawyers
> > : latest is to sue McDonalds & other fast-food companies for selling
> > : "unhealthy" food that makes people obese. The fact that obese people
had
> > to
> > : 1) buy the stuff repeatedly, 2) eat it, doesn't seem to matter.
> "Personal
> > : responsibility" as defined by the rest of the world is simply an
> > impediment
> > : to legal settlements and has almost been completely written out of US
> law.
> > :
> > : (Among other things I used to be responsible for Consumer Affairs at
> > Jaguar
> > : USA .... don't get me started!)
> > :
> > :
> > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > : news:fVBfb.8763$oO6.73197689@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > : > a light has dawned so big it dwarfs the sun ... never knew you guys
> > didn't
> > : > have that.
> > : >
> > : >
> > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> > : >
> > : > "Matt Macchiarolo" <mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon> wrote in message
> > : > news:20031001214652.25517.00001091@mb-m15.aol.com...
> > : > : In article <vnmqm98jmdjkcf@corp.supernews.com>, "Gerald G.
McGeorge"
> > : > : <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> writes:
> > : > :
> > : > : >Better yet, under UK law the person bringing an unsuccessful suit
> has
> > : to
> > : > pay
> > : > : >the other sides legal fees.
> > : > :
> > : > : I knew there was a good reason besides the beer to move to the
UK...
> > : > : * * *
> > : > : Matt Macchiarolo
> > : > : www.townpeddler.com
> > : > : www.wolverine4wd.org
> > : > : http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
> > : > :
> > : > :
> > : > :
> > : > :
> > : >
> > : >
> > :
> > :
> >
> >
>
>

Terry Jeffrey

Amen to that. It's a friggin joke these days.

Terry.


"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:vnunpd32e1eedf@corp.supernews.com...
> (Ok, now I rant!) Exactly, you now understand the entire American Tort
> system. It's sort of a not-too-complex lottery, where truth is the first
> casualty. It's an insidious system that's a form of rot, eating away at
our
> entire societal system, sort of like a snake eating it's own tail. It's
well
> understood by the people, but attempts at bringing the mess under control
> are always stopped at the highest levels of Govt. Clinton repeatedly
vetoed
> every tort reform Bill put in front of him, naturally, because he's an
> attorney himself and beholden to the trial lawyers. The most notable veto
> of his Presidency in this regard was a Bill to adopt the UK system of
> requiring the Plaintiff to absorb the Defendants costs in the event they
> lost.
>
> We now have a form of government that's best described as "Of the Lawyers,
> By the Lawyers and For the Lawyers" Nearly every US Senator, especially on
> the Democrat side, is a millionaire and is in some way an attorney or
linked
> in some way to the money-generating side of the legal system. They take
> enormous sums of political contributions from the trial lawyers and their
> lobbying groups. Naturally, they defend themselves by saying they're
> defending the "little guy", but the entire system is a complete scam.
>
> (Don't get me started!)
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:d7Ifb.9132$GV1.75973734@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > so the plan is to sue on whatever until you "get lucky ?
> >
> > --
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> >
> > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> > news:vnu7a7b1i87ke4@corp.supernews.com...
> > : Indeed, that's the heart of our legal mess. You can sue based upon any
> > : plausible legal breach. Since you're not liable for the defendants
costs
> > you
> > : can use the law to troll for a pre-trial settlement by making a
complete
> > : nuisance of yourself. Trial lawyers (you actually have a better word
for
> > : them, "Solicitors", which over here means a prostitute) have set up
> > research
> > : groups looking at various industries which would represent good
targets
> > for
> > : lawsuits.
> > :
> > : Using the precedents set by huge tobacco industry lawsuits the trial
> > lawyers
> > : latest is to sue McDonalds & other fast-food companies for selling
> > : "unhealthy" food that makes people obese. The fact that obese people
had
> > to
> > : 1) buy the stuff repeatedly, 2) eat it, doesn't seem to matter.
> "Personal
> > : responsibility" as defined by the rest of the world is simply an
> > impediment
> > : to legal settlements and has almost been completely written out of US
> law.
> > :
> > : (Among other things I used to be responsible for Consumer Affairs at
> > Jaguar
> > : USA .... don't get me started!)
> > :
> > :
> > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > : news:fVBfb.8763$oO6.73197689@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > : > a light has dawned so big it dwarfs the sun ... never knew you guys
> > didn't
> > : > have that.
> > : >
> > : >
> > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> > : >
> > : > "Matt Macchiarolo" <mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon> wrote in message
> > : > news:20031001214652.25517.00001091@mb-m15.aol.com...
> > : > : In article <vnmqm98jmdjkcf@corp.supernews.com>, "Gerald G.
McGeorge"
> > : > : <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> writes:
> > : > :
> > : > : >Better yet, under UK law the person bringing an unsuccessful suit
> has
> > : to
> > : > pay
> > : > : >the other sides legal fees.
> > : > :
> > : > : I knew there was a good reason besides the beer to move to the
UK...
> > : > : * * *
> > : > : Matt Macchiarolo
> > : > : www.townpeddler.com
> > : > : www.wolverine4wd.org
> > : > : http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
> > : > :
> > : > :
> > : > :
> > : > :
> > : >
> > : >
> > :
> > :
> >
> >
>
>

Terry Jeffrey

Amen to that. It's a friggin joke these days.

Terry.


"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:vnunpd32e1eedf@corp.supernews.com...
> (Ok, now I rant!) Exactly, you now understand the entire American Tort
> system. It's sort of a not-too-complex lottery, where truth is the first
> casualty. It's an insidious system that's a form of rot, eating away at
our
> entire societal system, sort of like a snake eating it's own tail. It's
well
> understood by the people, but attempts at bringing the mess under control
> are always stopped at the highest levels of Govt. Clinton repeatedly
vetoed
> every tort reform Bill put in front of him, naturally, because he's an
> attorney himself and beholden to the trial lawyers. The most notable veto
> of his Presidency in this regard was a Bill to adopt the UK system of
> requiring the Plaintiff to absorb the Defendants costs in the event they
> lost.
>
> We now have a form of government that's best described as "Of the Lawyers,
> By the Lawyers and For the Lawyers" Nearly every US Senator, especially on
> the Democrat side, is a millionaire and is in some way an attorney or
linked
> in some way to the money-generating side of the legal system. They take
> enormous sums of political contributions from the trial lawyers and their
> lobbying groups. Naturally, they defend themselves by saying they're
> defending the "little guy", but the entire system is a complete scam.
>
> (Don't get me started!)
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:d7Ifb.9132$GV1.75973734@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > so the plan is to sue on whatever until you "get lucky ?
> >
> > --
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> >
> > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> > news:vnu7a7b1i87ke4@corp.supernews.com...
> > : Indeed, that's the heart of our legal mess. You can sue based upon any
> > : plausible legal breach. Since you're not liable for the defendants
costs
> > you
> > : can use the law to troll for a pre-trial settlement by making a
complete
> > : nuisance of yourself. Trial lawyers (you actually have a better word
for
> > : them, "Solicitors", which over here means a prostitute) have set up
> > research
> > : groups looking at various industries which would represent good
targets
> > for
> > : lawsuits.
> > :
> > : Using the precedents set by huge tobacco industry lawsuits the trial
> > lawyers
> > : latest is to sue McDonalds & other fast-food companies for selling
> > : "unhealthy" food that makes people obese. The fact that obese people
had
> > to
> > : 1) buy the stuff repeatedly, 2) eat it, doesn't seem to matter.
> "Personal
> > : responsibility" as defined by the rest of the world is simply an
> > impediment
> > : to legal settlements and has almost been completely written out of US
> law.
> > :
> > : (Among other things I used to be responsible for Consumer Affairs at
> > Jaguar
> > : USA .... don't get me started!)
> > :
> > :
> > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > : news:fVBfb.8763$oO6.73197689@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > : > a light has dawned so big it dwarfs the sun ... never knew you guys
> > didn't
> > : > have that.
> > : >
> > : >
> > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> > : >
> > : > "Matt Macchiarolo" <mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon> wrote in message
> > : > news:20031001214652.25517.00001091@mb-m15.aol.com...
> > : > : In article <vnmqm98jmdjkcf@corp.supernews.com>, "Gerald G.
McGeorge"
> > : > : <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> writes:
> > : > :
> > : > : >Better yet, under UK law the person bringing an unsuccessful suit
> has
> > : to
> > : > pay
> > : > : >the other sides legal fees.
> > : > :
> > : > : I knew there was a good reason besides the beer to move to the
UK...
> > : > : * * *
> > : > : Matt Macchiarolo
> > : > : www.townpeddler.com
> > : > : www.wolverine4wd.org
> > : > : http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
> > : > :
> > : > :
> > : > :
> > : > :
> > : >
> > : >
> > :
> > :
> >
> >
>
>