Cal's YJ: First ride!
09-30-2003, 01:09 PM
#21
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Re: Cal's YJ: First ride!
Hi Gerald,
Just so you know, the reverse 44 isn't a trick new thing like the
reverse 9" (8.8), it's stock on my '78 Bronco:
http://www.----------.com/bronco4.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
"Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote:
>
> Well, that's a long story! I installed these axles about 6 months before all
> the first trick reverse pinion custom center sections came on the market.
> Although I ordered reverse pinion axles from the shop who did the
> installation, they've admitted they messed up the order with Dynatrac by not
> specifying reverse in writing and the story goes from there. I didn't make a
> big fuss over the whole deal, the shop and Dynatrac discounted the axles
> significantly and in the end they're stout as hell and work great. If I
> wanted more than the actual 5.5" lift that's on there they might be a
> problem, but any more than this and I can't get the YJ it in the garage.
>
> Initially we shortened and reused the original front driveshaft which worked
> fine with the NP231. Then I installed a RE 4.5" lift, which uses 5"
> shackles. These screwed up the pinion angle along with the caster. Then we
> installed the Atlas II and had to shorten the front driveshaft even more.
> The angles involved weren't all that extreme, but the yokes weren't aligned
> well and it tended to set up an internal rattling in the Atlas in 4wd hi at
> certain road speeds. I had the caster checked at my local alignment shop and
> installed 2 degree steel shims in front to get it in spec. Then we installed
> the CV front driveshaft and a new yoke on the Atlas. Voila, works like a
> champ.
Just so you know, the reverse 44 isn't a trick new thing like the
reverse 9" (8.8), it's stock on my '78 Bronco:
http://www.----------.com/bronco4.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
"Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote:
>
> Well, that's a long story! I installed these axles about 6 months before all
> the first trick reverse pinion custom center sections came on the market.
> Although I ordered reverse pinion axles from the shop who did the
> installation, they've admitted they messed up the order with Dynatrac by not
> specifying reverse in writing and the story goes from there. I didn't make a
> big fuss over the whole deal, the shop and Dynatrac discounted the axles
> significantly and in the end they're stout as hell and work great. If I
> wanted more than the actual 5.5" lift that's on there they might be a
> problem, but any more than this and I can't get the YJ it in the garage.
>
> Initially we shortened and reused the original front driveshaft which worked
> fine with the NP231. Then I installed a RE 4.5" lift, which uses 5"
> shackles. These screwed up the pinion angle along with the caster. Then we
> installed the Atlas II and had to shorten the front driveshaft even more.
> The angles involved weren't all that extreme, but the yokes weren't aligned
> well and it tended to set up an internal rattling in the Atlas in 4wd hi at
> certain road speeds. I had the caster checked at my local alignment shop and
> installed 2 degree steel shims in front to get it in spec. Then we installed
> the CV front driveshaft and a new yoke on the Atlas. Voila, works like a
> champ.
09-30-2003, 05:15 PM
#22
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Re: Cal's YJ: First ride!
I know, I was referring to the D60 in the rear. Tera and Dynatrac both came
out with custom high clearance, reverse center sections about 6 months after
I got these installed.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F79B8C9.483B501B@***.net...
> Hi Gerald,
> Just so you know, the reverse 44 isn't a trick new thing like the
> reverse 9" (8.8), it's stock on my '78 Bronco:
> http://www.----------.com/bronco4.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> "Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote:
> >
> > Well, that's a long story! I installed these axles about 6 months before
all
> > the first trick reverse pinion custom center sections came on the
market.
> > Although I ordered reverse pinion axles from the shop who did the
> > installation, they've admitted they messed up the order with Dynatrac by
not
> > specifying reverse in writing and the story goes from there. I didn't
make a
> > big fuss over the whole deal, the shop and Dynatrac discounted the axles
> > significantly and in the end they're stout as hell and work great. If I
> > wanted more than the actual 5.5" lift that's on there they might be a
> > problem, but any more than this and I can't get the YJ it in the garage.
> >
> > Initially we shortened and reused the original front driveshaft which
worked
> > fine with the NP231. Then I installed a RE 4.5" lift, which uses 5"
> > shackles. These screwed up the pinion angle along with the caster. Then
we
> > installed the Atlas II and had to shorten the front driveshaft even
more.
> > The angles involved weren't all that extreme, but the yokes weren't
aligned
> > well and it tended to set up an internal rattling in the Atlas in 4wd hi
at
> > certain road speeds. I had the caster checked at my local alignment shop
and
> > installed 2 degree steel shims in front to get it in spec. Then we
installed
> > the CV front driveshaft and a new yoke on the Atlas. Voila, works like
a
> > champ.
out with custom high clearance, reverse center sections about 6 months after
I got these installed.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F79B8C9.483B501B@***.net...
> Hi Gerald,
> Just so you know, the reverse 44 isn't a trick new thing like the
> reverse 9" (8.8), it's stock on my '78 Bronco:
> http://www.----------.com/bronco4.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> "Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote:
> >
> > Well, that's a long story! I installed these axles about 6 months before
all
> > the first trick reverse pinion custom center sections came on the
market.
> > Although I ordered reverse pinion axles from the shop who did the
> > installation, they've admitted they messed up the order with Dynatrac by
not
> > specifying reverse in writing and the story goes from there. I didn't
make a
> > big fuss over the whole deal, the shop and Dynatrac discounted the axles
> > significantly and in the end they're stout as hell and work great. If I
> > wanted more than the actual 5.5" lift that's on there they might be a
> > problem, but any more than this and I can't get the YJ it in the garage.
> >
> > Initially we shortened and reused the original front driveshaft which
worked
> > fine with the NP231. Then I installed a RE 4.5" lift, which uses 5"
> > shackles. These screwed up the pinion angle along with the caster. Then
we
> > installed the Atlas II and had to shorten the front driveshaft even
more.
> > The angles involved weren't all that extreme, but the yokes weren't
aligned
> > well and it tended to set up an internal rattling in the Atlas in 4wd hi
at
> > certain road speeds. I had the caster checked at my local alignment shop
and
> > installed 2 degree steel shims in front to get it in spec. Then we
installed
> > the CV front driveshaft and a new yoke on the Atlas. Voila, works like
a
> > champ.
09-30-2003, 05:15 PM
#23
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Re: Cal's YJ: First ride!
I know, I was referring to the D60 in the rear. Tera and Dynatrac both came
out with custom high clearance, reverse center sections about 6 months after
I got these installed.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F79B8C9.483B501B@***.net...
> Hi Gerald,
> Just so you know, the reverse 44 isn't a trick new thing like the
> reverse 9" (8.8), it's stock on my '78 Bronco:
> http://www.----------.com/bronco4.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> "Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote:
> >
> > Well, that's a long story! I installed these axles about 6 months before
all
> > the first trick reverse pinion custom center sections came on the
market.
> > Although I ordered reverse pinion axles from the shop who did the
> > installation, they've admitted they messed up the order with Dynatrac by
not
> > specifying reverse in writing and the story goes from there. I didn't
make a
> > big fuss over the whole deal, the shop and Dynatrac discounted the axles
> > significantly and in the end they're stout as hell and work great. If I
> > wanted more than the actual 5.5" lift that's on there they might be a
> > problem, but any more than this and I can't get the YJ it in the garage.
> >
> > Initially we shortened and reused the original front driveshaft which
worked
> > fine with the NP231. Then I installed a RE 4.5" lift, which uses 5"
> > shackles. These screwed up the pinion angle along with the caster. Then
we
> > installed the Atlas II and had to shorten the front driveshaft even
more.
> > The angles involved weren't all that extreme, but the yokes weren't
aligned
> > well and it tended to set up an internal rattling in the Atlas in 4wd hi
at
> > certain road speeds. I had the caster checked at my local alignment shop
and
> > installed 2 degree steel shims in front to get it in spec. Then we
installed
> > the CV front driveshaft and a new yoke on the Atlas. Voila, works like
a
> > champ.
out with custom high clearance, reverse center sections about 6 months after
I got these installed.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F79B8C9.483B501B@***.net...
> Hi Gerald,
> Just so you know, the reverse 44 isn't a trick new thing like the
> reverse 9" (8.8), it's stock on my '78 Bronco:
> http://www.----------.com/bronco4.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> "Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote:
> >
> > Well, that's a long story! I installed these axles about 6 months before
all
> > the first trick reverse pinion custom center sections came on the
market.
> > Although I ordered reverse pinion axles from the shop who did the
> > installation, they've admitted they messed up the order with Dynatrac by
not
> > specifying reverse in writing and the story goes from there. I didn't
make a
> > big fuss over the whole deal, the shop and Dynatrac discounted the axles
> > significantly and in the end they're stout as hell and work great. If I
> > wanted more than the actual 5.5" lift that's on there they might be a
> > problem, but any more than this and I can't get the YJ it in the garage.
> >
> > Initially we shortened and reused the original front driveshaft which
worked
> > fine with the NP231. Then I installed a RE 4.5" lift, which uses 5"
> > shackles. These screwed up the pinion angle along with the caster. Then
we
> > installed the Atlas II and had to shorten the front driveshaft even
more.
> > The angles involved weren't all that extreme, but the yokes weren't
aligned
> > well and it tended to set up an internal rattling in the Atlas in 4wd hi
at
> > certain road speeds. I had the caster checked at my local alignment shop
and
> > installed 2 degree steel shims in front to get it in spec. Then we
installed
> > the CV front driveshaft and a new yoke on the Atlas. Voila, works like
a
> > champ.
09-30-2003, 07:29 PM
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Re: Cal's YJ: First ride!
It came stock with a front reverse cut 30, but no CV style driveshaft.
Terry.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F790474.85FCB59B@***.net...
> I'm curious as to why you didn't go with the reverse 44, it's
> stronger when used as a front axle, and seeing you're paying top dollar,
> it's not like you found a hundred dollar Scout Dana 44. And your YJ
> should have come with a reverse 30 and constant velocity joint, but
> probably too small to use with the 44.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote:
> >
> > FWIW, I also have a low pinion Dynatrac D44 in the front of my '94 YJ.
It
> > took a double-cardan CV at the Atlas II t-case to eliminate driveline
> > vibration & noise in 4wd Hi. However, it's now smooth as butter at
nearly
> > any speed, better than the stock D30. I got the driveshaft from Hi-Angle
> > Driveline, very well made unit.
> >
> > "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1064885414.358433@rh9cache2...
> > > Let us know how that spring-over turns out. That could be my next
mod.
> > > I've shyed away from it so far, thinking it will screw up the
suspension
> > too
> > > much for on-road travel.
> > >
> > > I've been pleased with the MPB kit too. Remember, those are some big
ol'
> > > tires you gotta stop. Can't expect to stop instantly.
> > >
> > > About your front D44 front, did you get a CV or non-CV set up? If CV
and
> > > the mid-section is pointed towards the t-case, I wouldn't think the
angle
> > > would be too awfully severe for the longer driveshaft in the front.
Hey
> > > man, my new D60 front should be here in a week or two. The waiting is
> > > killing me! I was hoping to get it installed before deer rifle
season,
> > but
> > > it doesn't look like that will happen now - I won't be missing opening
> > day.
> > >
> > > Good luck.
> > >
> > > Terry.
> > > 92YJ
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Cal Wheeler" <cal@whee.ler> wrote in message
> > > news:bl61qf$p0b$0@pita.alt.net...
> > > > Well gents, she ain't fininshed, but I was antsy to drive it after a
> > > > month up on blocks.
> > > >
> > > > I still haven't got my front driveshaft hooked up yet; Tom Woods
sent me
> > > > a new CV shaft, but the yoke splines are too big for my NP 231.
> > > >
> > > > But the meats were on, and so were the shocks, and I installed my
new
> > > > Master Power Brake master cylinder/booster, so I bled the brakes,
threw
> > > > on the skid plate, and went for a ride!
> > > >
> > > > I was worried about the brakes, worried about the alignment, worried
> > > > about the handling difference between a 2.5 spring lift with 31's
and a
> > > > 7.5' SOA lift with 37 inch Super Swampers.
> > > >
> > > > I gotta say, I was VERY pleasantly surprised. Without getting it
> > > > aligned, it tracks straight and true. I had set it up for a tiny
amount
> > > > of toe-in. It handles and feels almost identically to the way it
felt
> > > > before, except that the tires are now much *quieter*!
> > > >
> > > > No "death wobble", no wankiness. Now this is just "around-town"
driving,
> > > > max 50 mph. I haven't gone freeway speeds, yet.
> > > >
> > > > However:
> > > >
> > > > I need to re-adjust the speedo plug in the t-case; it's reading far
> > > > higher mph than I'm actually travelling (or I could get lazy and use
a
> > > GPS).
> > > >
> > > > I installed the ARB lines and electrical. The compressor switch
lights
> > > > up and runs the pumnp, but the actuator switches are so loud I can't
> > > > tell if the solenoids are engaging or not. I'll check with a
voltmeter
> > > > tomorrow.
> > > >
> > > > The thing is TALL and I have to be very acrobatic just to get in.
> > > >
> > > > Need to finish the fenders, and need to cut away the other three
wheel
> > > > wells (did one for a look-see).
> > > >
> > > > Worst part: I didn't order a high-pinion front D44. I should have. I
> > > > spent $4500 on the axle and the thing is low pinion, so the angle on
the
> > > > driveshaft is steep, and I'm going to have to cut a slot out of the
skid
> > > > plate to accommodate it. Live and learn.
> > > >
> > > > Overall impression: It's bitchin! I can't wait to get the front
shaft
> > > > in, lock up those lockers, and try some real obstacle hoppin'!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
Terry.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F790474.85FCB59B@***.net...
> I'm curious as to why you didn't go with the reverse 44, it's
> stronger when used as a front axle, and seeing you're paying top dollar,
> it's not like you found a hundred dollar Scout Dana 44. And your YJ
> should have come with a reverse 30 and constant velocity joint, but
> probably too small to use with the 44.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote:
> >
> > FWIW, I also have a low pinion Dynatrac D44 in the front of my '94 YJ.
It
> > took a double-cardan CV at the Atlas II t-case to eliminate driveline
> > vibration & noise in 4wd Hi. However, it's now smooth as butter at
nearly
> > any speed, better than the stock D30. I got the driveshaft from Hi-Angle
> > Driveline, very well made unit.
> >
> > "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1064885414.358433@rh9cache2...
> > > Let us know how that spring-over turns out. That could be my next
mod.
> > > I've shyed away from it so far, thinking it will screw up the
suspension
> > too
> > > much for on-road travel.
> > >
> > > I've been pleased with the MPB kit too. Remember, those are some big
ol'
> > > tires you gotta stop. Can't expect to stop instantly.
> > >
> > > About your front D44 front, did you get a CV or non-CV set up? If CV
and
> > > the mid-section is pointed towards the t-case, I wouldn't think the
angle
> > > would be too awfully severe for the longer driveshaft in the front.
Hey
> > > man, my new D60 front should be here in a week or two. The waiting is
> > > killing me! I was hoping to get it installed before deer rifle
season,
> > but
> > > it doesn't look like that will happen now - I won't be missing opening
> > day.
> > >
> > > Good luck.
> > >
> > > Terry.
> > > 92YJ
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Cal Wheeler" <cal@whee.ler> wrote in message
> > > news:bl61qf$p0b$0@pita.alt.net...
> > > > Well gents, she ain't fininshed, but I was antsy to drive it after a
> > > > month up on blocks.
> > > >
> > > > I still haven't got my front driveshaft hooked up yet; Tom Woods
sent me
> > > > a new CV shaft, but the yoke splines are too big for my NP 231.
> > > >
> > > > But the meats were on, and so were the shocks, and I installed my
new
> > > > Master Power Brake master cylinder/booster, so I bled the brakes,
threw
> > > > on the skid plate, and went for a ride!
> > > >
> > > > I was worried about the brakes, worried about the alignment, worried
> > > > about the handling difference between a 2.5 spring lift with 31's
and a
> > > > 7.5' SOA lift with 37 inch Super Swampers.
> > > >
> > > > I gotta say, I was VERY pleasantly surprised. Without getting it
> > > > aligned, it tracks straight and true. I had set it up for a tiny
amount
> > > > of toe-in. It handles and feels almost identically to the way it
felt
> > > > before, except that the tires are now much *quieter*!
> > > >
> > > > No "death wobble", no wankiness. Now this is just "around-town"
driving,
> > > > max 50 mph. I haven't gone freeway speeds, yet.
> > > >
> > > > However:
> > > >
> > > > I need to re-adjust the speedo plug in the t-case; it's reading far
> > > > higher mph than I'm actually travelling (or I could get lazy and use
a
> > > GPS).
> > > >
> > > > I installed the ARB lines and electrical. The compressor switch
lights
> > > > up and runs the pumnp, but the actuator switches are so loud I can't
> > > > tell if the solenoids are engaging or not. I'll check with a
voltmeter
> > > > tomorrow.
> > > >
> > > > The thing is TALL and I have to be very acrobatic just to get in.
> > > >
> > > > Need to finish the fenders, and need to cut away the other three
wheel
> > > > wells (did one for a look-see).
> > > >
> > > > Worst part: I didn't order a high-pinion front D44. I should have. I
> > > > spent $4500 on the axle and the thing is low pinion, so the angle on
the
> > > > driveshaft is steep, and I'm going to have to cut a slot out of the
skid
> > > > plate to accommodate it. Live and learn.
> > > >
> > > > Overall impression: It's bitchin! I can't wait to get the front
shaft
> > > > in, lock up those lockers, and try some real obstacle hoppin'!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
09-30-2003, 07:29 PM
#25
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Re: Cal's YJ: First ride!
It came stock with a front reverse cut 30, but no CV style driveshaft.
Terry.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F790474.85FCB59B@***.net...
> I'm curious as to why you didn't go with the reverse 44, it's
> stronger when used as a front axle, and seeing you're paying top dollar,
> it's not like you found a hundred dollar Scout Dana 44. And your YJ
> should have come with a reverse 30 and constant velocity joint, but
> probably too small to use with the 44.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote:
> >
> > FWIW, I also have a low pinion Dynatrac D44 in the front of my '94 YJ.
It
> > took a double-cardan CV at the Atlas II t-case to eliminate driveline
> > vibration & noise in 4wd Hi. However, it's now smooth as butter at
nearly
> > any speed, better than the stock D30. I got the driveshaft from Hi-Angle
> > Driveline, very well made unit.
> >
> > "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1064885414.358433@rh9cache2...
> > > Let us know how that spring-over turns out. That could be my next
mod.
> > > I've shyed away from it so far, thinking it will screw up the
suspension
> > too
> > > much for on-road travel.
> > >
> > > I've been pleased with the MPB kit too. Remember, those are some big
ol'
> > > tires you gotta stop. Can't expect to stop instantly.
> > >
> > > About your front D44 front, did you get a CV or non-CV set up? If CV
and
> > > the mid-section is pointed towards the t-case, I wouldn't think the
angle
> > > would be too awfully severe for the longer driveshaft in the front.
Hey
> > > man, my new D60 front should be here in a week or two. The waiting is
> > > killing me! I was hoping to get it installed before deer rifle
season,
> > but
> > > it doesn't look like that will happen now - I won't be missing opening
> > day.
> > >
> > > Good luck.
> > >
> > > Terry.
> > > 92YJ
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Cal Wheeler" <cal@whee.ler> wrote in message
> > > news:bl61qf$p0b$0@pita.alt.net...
> > > > Well gents, she ain't fininshed, but I was antsy to drive it after a
> > > > month up on blocks.
> > > >
> > > > I still haven't got my front driveshaft hooked up yet; Tom Woods
sent me
> > > > a new CV shaft, but the yoke splines are too big for my NP 231.
> > > >
> > > > But the meats were on, and so were the shocks, and I installed my
new
> > > > Master Power Brake master cylinder/booster, so I bled the brakes,
threw
> > > > on the skid plate, and went for a ride!
> > > >
> > > > I was worried about the brakes, worried about the alignment, worried
> > > > about the handling difference between a 2.5 spring lift with 31's
and a
> > > > 7.5' SOA lift with 37 inch Super Swampers.
> > > >
> > > > I gotta say, I was VERY pleasantly surprised. Without getting it
> > > > aligned, it tracks straight and true. I had set it up for a tiny
amount
> > > > of toe-in. It handles and feels almost identically to the way it
felt
> > > > before, except that the tires are now much *quieter*!
> > > >
> > > > No "death wobble", no wankiness. Now this is just "around-town"
driving,
> > > > max 50 mph. I haven't gone freeway speeds, yet.
> > > >
> > > > However:
> > > >
> > > > I need to re-adjust the speedo plug in the t-case; it's reading far
> > > > higher mph than I'm actually travelling (or I could get lazy and use
a
> > > GPS).
> > > >
> > > > I installed the ARB lines and electrical. The compressor switch
lights
> > > > up and runs the pumnp, but the actuator switches are so loud I can't
> > > > tell if the solenoids are engaging or not. I'll check with a
voltmeter
> > > > tomorrow.
> > > >
> > > > The thing is TALL and I have to be very acrobatic just to get in.
> > > >
> > > > Need to finish the fenders, and need to cut away the other three
wheel
> > > > wells (did one for a look-see).
> > > >
> > > > Worst part: I didn't order a high-pinion front D44. I should have. I
> > > > spent $4500 on the axle and the thing is low pinion, so the angle on
the
> > > > driveshaft is steep, and I'm going to have to cut a slot out of the
skid
> > > > plate to accommodate it. Live and learn.
> > > >
> > > > Overall impression: It's bitchin! I can't wait to get the front
shaft
> > > > in, lock up those lockers, and try some real obstacle hoppin'!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
Terry.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F790474.85FCB59B@***.net...
> I'm curious as to why you didn't go with the reverse 44, it's
> stronger when used as a front axle, and seeing you're paying top dollar,
> it's not like you found a hundred dollar Scout Dana 44. And your YJ
> should have come with a reverse 30 and constant velocity joint, but
> probably too small to use with the 44.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote:
> >
> > FWIW, I also have a low pinion Dynatrac D44 in the front of my '94 YJ.
It
> > took a double-cardan CV at the Atlas II t-case to eliminate driveline
> > vibration & noise in 4wd Hi. However, it's now smooth as butter at
nearly
> > any speed, better than the stock D30. I got the driveshaft from Hi-Angle
> > Driveline, very well made unit.
> >
> > "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1064885414.358433@rh9cache2...
> > > Let us know how that spring-over turns out. That could be my next
mod.
> > > I've shyed away from it so far, thinking it will screw up the
suspension
> > too
> > > much for on-road travel.
> > >
> > > I've been pleased with the MPB kit too. Remember, those are some big
ol'
> > > tires you gotta stop. Can't expect to stop instantly.
> > >
> > > About your front D44 front, did you get a CV or non-CV set up? If CV
and
> > > the mid-section is pointed towards the t-case, I wouldn't think the
angle
> > > would be too awfully severe for the longer driveshaft in the front.
Hey
> > > man, my new D60 front should be here in a week or two. The waiting is
> > > killing me! I was hoping to get it installed before deer rifle
season,
> > but
> > > it doesn't look like that will happen now - I won't be missing opening
> > day.
> > >
> > > Good luck.
> > >
> > > Terry.
> > > 92YJ
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Cal Wheeler" <cal@whee.ler> wrote in message
> > > news:bl61qf$p0b$0@pita.alt.net...
> > > > Well gents, she ain't fininshed, but I was antsy to drive it after a
> > > > month up on blocks.
> > > >
> > > > I still haven't got my front driveshaft hooked up yet; Tom Woods
sent me
> > > > a new CV shaft, but the yoke splines are too big for my NP 231.
> > > >
> > > > But the meats were on, and so were the shocks, and I installed my
new
> > > > Master Power Brake master cylinder/booster, so I bled the brakes,
threw
> > > > on the skid plate, and went for a ride!
> > > >
> > > > I was worried about the brakes, worried about the alignment, worried
> > > > about the handling difference between a 2.5 spring lift with 31's
and a
> > > > 7.5' SOA lift with 37 inch Super Swampers.
> > > >
> > > > I gotta say, I was VERY pleasantly surprised. Without getting it
> > > > aligned, it tracks straight and true. I had set it up for a tiny
amount
> > > > of toe-in. It handles and feels almost identically to the way it
felt
> > > > before, except that the tires are now much *quieter*!
> > > >
> > > > No "death wobble", no wankiness. Now this is just "around-town"
driving,
> > > > max 50 mph. I haven't gone freeway speeds, yet.
> > > >
> > > > However:
> > > >
> > > > I need to re-adjust the speedo plug in the t-case; it's reading far
> > > > higher mph than I'm actually travelling (or I could get lazy and use
a
> > > GPS).
> > > >
> > > > I installed the ARB lines and electrical. The compressor switch
lights
> > > > up and runs the pumnp, but the actuator switches are so loud I can't
> > > > tell if the solenoids are engaging or not. I'll check with a
voltmeter
> > > > tomorrow.
> > > >
> > > > The thing is TALL and I have to be very acrobatic just to get in.
> > > >
> > > > Need to finish the fenders, and need to cut away the other three
wheel
> > > > wells (did one for a look-see).
> > > >
> > > > Worst part: I didn't order a high-pinion front D44. I should have. I
> > > > spent $4500 on the axle and the thing is low pinion, so the angle on
the
> > > > driveshaft is steep, and I'm going to have to cut a slot out of the
skid
> > > > plate to accommodate it. Live and learn.
> > > >
> > > > Overall impression: It's bitchin! I can't wait to get the front
shaft
> > > > in, lock up those lockers, and try some real obstacle hoppin'!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
09-30-2003, 07:33 PM
#26
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Cal's YJ: First ride!
Indeed. I still can't figure why DC installed a low pinion D30 in the TJ
after they'd established high pinion versions before in the YJ and XJ. Cost?
"Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1064964294.368471@r02.usenetserver.com...
> It came stock with a front reverse cut 30, but no CV style driveshaft.
>
> Terry.
>
>
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:3F790474.85FCB59B@***.net...
> > I'm curious as to why you didn't go with the reverse 44, it's
> > stronger when used as a front axle, and seeing you're paying top dollar,
> > it's not like you found a hundred dollar Scout Dana 44. And your YJ
> > should have come with a reverse 30 and constant velocity joint, but
> > probably too small to use with the 44.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > "Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote:
> > >
> > > FWIW, I also have a low pinion Dynatrac D44 in the front of my '94 YJ.
> It
> > > took a double-cardan CV at the Atlas II t-case to eliminate driveline
> > > vibration & noise in 4wd Hi. However, it's now smooth as butter at
> nearly
> > > any speed, better than the stock D30. I got the driveshaft from
Hi-Angle
> > > Driveline, very well made unit.
> > >
> > > "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1064885414.358433@rh9cache2...
> > > > Let us know how that spring-over turns out. That could be my next
> mod.
> > > > I've shyed away from it so far, thinking it will screw up the
> suspension
> > > too
> > > > much for on-road travel.
> > > >
> > > > I've been pleased with the MPB kit too. Remember, those are some
big
> ol'
> > > > tires you gotta stop. Can't expect to stop instantly.
> > > >
> > > > About your front D44 front, did you get a CV or non-CV set up? If
CV
> and
> > > > the mid-section is pointed towards the t-case, I wouldn't think the
> angle
> > > > would be too awfully severe for the longer driveshaft in the front.
> Hey
> > > > man, my new D60 front should be here in a week or two. The waiting
is
> > > > killing me! I was hoping to get it installed before deer rifle
> season,
> > > but
> > > > it doesn't look like that will happen now - I won't be missing
opening
> > > day.
> > > >
> > > > Good luck.
> > > >
> > > > Terry.
> > > > 92YJ
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Cal Wheeler" <cal@whee.ler> wrote in message
> > > > news:bl61qf$p0b$0@pita.alt.net...
> > > > > Well gents, she ain't fininshed, but I was antsy to drive it after
a
> > > > > month up on blocks.
> > > > >
> > > > > I still haven't got my front driveshaft hooked up yet; Tom Woods
> sent me
> > > > > a new CV shaft, but the yoke splines are too big for my NP 231.
> > > > >
> > > > > But the meats were on, and so were the shocks, and I installed my
> new
> > > > > Master Power Brake master cylinder/booster, so I bled the brakes,
> threw
> > > > > on the skid plate, and went for a ride!
> > > > >
> > > > > I was worried about the brakes, worried about the alignment,
worried
> > > > > about the handling difference between a 2.5 spring lift with 31's
> and a
> > > > > 7.5' SOA lift with 37 inch Super Swampers.
> > > > >
> > > > > I gotta say, I was VERY pleasantly surprised. Without getting it
> > > > > aligned, it tracks straight and true. I had set it up for a tiny
> amount
> > > > > of toe-in. It handles and feels almost identically to the way it
> felt
> > > > > before, except that the tires are now much *quieter*!
> > > > >
> > > > > No "death wobble", no wankiness. Now this is just "around-town"
> driving,
> > > > > max 50 mph. I haven't gone freeway speeds, yet.
> > > > >
> > > > > However:
> > > > >
> > > > > I need to re-adjust the speedo plug in the t-case; it's reading
far
> > > > > higher mph than I'm actually travelling (or I could get lazy and
use
> a
> > > > GPS).
> > > > >
> > > > > I installed the ARB lines and electrical. The compressor switch
> lights
> > > > > up and runs the pumnp, but the actuator switches are so loud I
can't
> > > > > tell if the solenoids are engaging or not. I'll check with a
> voltmeter
> > > > > tomorrow.
> > > > >
> > > > > The thing is TALL and I have to be very acrobatic just to get in.
> > > > >
> > > > > Need to finish the fenders, and need to cut away the other three
> wheel
> > > > > wells (did one for a look-see).
> > > > >
> > > > > Worst part: I didn't order a high-pinion front D44. I should have.
I
> > > > > spent $4500 on the axle and the thing is low pinion, so the angle
on
> the
> > > > > driveshaft is steep, and I'm going to have to cut a slot out of
the
> skid
> > > > > plate to accommodate it. Live and learn.
> > > > >
> > > > > Overall impression: It's bitchin! I can't wait to get the front
> shaft
> > > > > in, lock up those lockers, and try some real obstacle hoppin'!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
>
>
>
after they'd established high pinion versions before in the YJ and XJ. Cost?
"Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1064964294.368471@r02.usenetserver.com...
> It came stock with a front reverse cut 30, but no CV style driveshaft.
>
> Terry.
>
>
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:3F790474.85FCB59B@***.net...
> > I'm curious as to why you didn't go with the reverse 44, it's
> > stronger when used as a front axle, and seeing you're paying top dollar,
> > it's not like you found a hundred dollar Scout Dana 44. And your YJ
> > should have come with a reverse 30 and constant velocity joint, but
> > probably too small to use with the 44.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > "Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote:
> > >
> > > FWIW, I also have a low pinion Dynatrac D44 in the front of my '94 YJ.
> It
> > > took a double-cardan CV at the Atlas II t-case to eliminate driveline
> > > vibration & noise in 4wd Hi. However, it's now smooth as butter at
> nearly
> > > any speed, better than the stock D30. I got the driveshaft from
Hi-Angle
> > > Driveline, very well made unit.
> > >
> > > "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1064885414.358433@rh9cache2...
> > > > Let us know how that spring-over turns out. That could be my next
> mod.
> > > > I've shyed away from it so far, thinking it will screw up the
> suspension
> > > too
> > > > much for on-road travel.
> > > >
> > > > I've been pleased with the MPB kit too. Remember, those are some
big
> ol'
> > > > tires you gotta stop. Can't expect to stop instantly.
> > > >
> > > > About your front D44 front, did you get a CV or non-CV set up? If
CV
> and
> > > > the mid-section is pointed towards the t-case, I wouldn't think the
> angle
> > > > would be too awfully severe for the longer driveshaft in the front.
> Hey
> > > > man, my new D60 front should be here in a week or two. The waiting
is
> > > > killing me! I was hoping to get it installed before deer rifle
> season,
> > > but
> > > > it doesn't look like that will happen now - I won't be missing
opening
> > > day.
> > > >
> > > > Good luck.
> > > >
> > > > Terry.
> > > > 92YJ
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Cal Wheeler" <cal@whee.ler> wrote in message
> > > > news:bl61qf$p0b$0@pita.alt.net...
> > > > > Well gents, she ain't fininshed, but I was antsy to drive it after
a
> > > > > month up on blocks.
> > > > >
> > > > > I still haven't got my front driveshaft hooked up yet; Tom Woods
> sent me
> > > > > a new CV shaft, but the yoke splines are too big for my NP 231.
> > > > >
> > > > > But the meats were on, and so were the shocks, and I installed my
> new
> > > > > Master Power Brake master cylinder/booster, so I bled the brakes,
> threw
> > > > > on the skid plate, and went for a ride!
> > > > >
> > > > > I was worried about the brakes, worried about the alignment,
worried
> > > > > about the handling difference between a 2.5 spring lift with 31's
> and a
> > > > > 7.5' SOA lift with 37 inch Super Swampers.
> > > > >
> > > > > I gotta say, I was VERY pleasantly surprised. Without getting it
> > > > > aligned, it tracks straight and true. I had set it up for a tiny
> amount
> > > > > of toe-in. It handles and feels almost identically to the way it
> felt
> > > > > before, except that the tires are now much *quieter*!
> > > > >
> > > > > No "death wobble", no wankiness. Now this is just "around-town"
> driving,
> > > > > max 50 mph. I haven't gone freeway speeds, yet.
> > > > >
> > > > > However:
> > > > >
> > > > > I need to re-adjust the speedo plug in the t-case; it's reading
far
> > > > > higher mph than I'm actually travelling (or I could get lazy and
use
> a
> > > > GPS).
> > > > >
> > > > > I installed the ARB lines and electrical. The compressor switch
> lights
> > > > > up and runs the pumnp, but the actuator switches are so loud I
can't
> > > > > tell if the solenoids are engaging or not. I'll check with a
> voltmeter
> > > > > tomorrow.
> > > > >
> > > > > The thing is TALL and I have to be very acrobatic just to get in.
> > > > >
> > > > > Need to finish the fenders, and need to cut away the other three
> wheel
> > > > > wells (did one for a look-see).
> > > > >
> > > > > Worst part: I didn't order a high-pinion front D44. I should have.
I
> > > > > spent $4500 on the axle and the thing is low pinion, so the angle
on
> the
> > > > > driveshaft is steep, and I'm going to have to cut a slot out of
the
> skid
> > > > > plate to accommodate it. Live and learn.
> > > > >
> > > > > Overall impression: It's bitchin! I can't wait to get the front
> shaft
> > > > > in, lock up those lockers, and try some real obstacle hoppin'!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
>
>
>
09-30-2003, 07:33 PM
#27
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Cal's YJ: First ride!
Indeed. I still can't figure why DC installed a low pinion D30 in the TJ
after they'd established high pinion versions before in the YJ and XJ. Cost?
"Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1064964294.368471@r02.usenetserver.com...
> It came stock with a front reverse cut 30, but no CV style driveshaft.
>
> Terry.
>
>
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:3F790474.85FCB59B@***.net...
> > I'm curious as to why you didn't go with the reverse 44, it's
> > stronger when used as a front axle, and seeing you're paying top dollar,
> > it's not like you found a hundred dollar Scout Dana 44. And your YJ
> > should have come with a reverse 30 and constant velocity joint, but
> > probably too small to use with the 44.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > "Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote:
> > >
> > > FWIW, I also have a low pinion Dynatrac D44 in the front of my '94 YJ.
> It
> > > took a double-cardan CV at the Atlas II t-case to eliminate driveline
> > > vibration & noise in 4wd Hi. However, it's now smooth as butter at
> nearly
> > > any speed, better than the stock D30. I got the driveshaft from
Hi-Angle
> > > Driveline, very well made unit.
> > >
> > > "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1064885414.358433@rh9cache2...
> > > > Let us know how that spring-over turns out. That could be my next
> mod.
> > > > I've shyed away from it so far, thinking it will screw up the
> suspension
> > > too
> > > > much for on-road travel.
> > > >
> > > > I've been pleased with the MPB kit too. Remember, those are some
big
> ol'
> > > > tires you gotta stop. Can't expect to stop instantly.
> > > >
> > > > About your front D44 front, did you get a CV or non-CV set up? If
CV
> and
> > > > the mid-section is pointed towards the t-case, I wouldn't think the
> angle
> > > > would be too awfully severe for the longer driveshaft in the front.
> Hey
> > > > man, my new D60 front should be here in a week or two. The waiting
is
> > > > killing me! I was hoping to get it installed before deer rifle
> season,
> > > but
> > > > it doesn't look like that will happen now - I won't be missing
opening
> > > day.
> > > >
> > > > Good luck.
> > > >
> > > > Terry.
> > > > 92YJ
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Cal Wheeler" <cal@whee.ler> wrote in message
> > > > news:bl61qf$p0b$0@pita.alt.net...
> > > > > Well gents, she ain't fininshed, but I was antsy to drive it after
a
> > > > > month up on blocks.
> > > > >
> > > > > I still haven't got my front driveshaft hooked up yet; Tom Woods
> sent me
> > > > > a new CV shaft, but the yoke splines are too big for my NP 231.
> > > > >
> > > > > But the meats were on, and so were the shocks, and I installed my
> new
> > > > > Master Power Brake master cylinder/booster, so I bled the brakes,
> threw
> > > > > on the skid plate, and went for a ride!
> > > > >
> > > > > I was worried about the brakes, worried about the alignment,
worried
> > > > > about the handling difference between a 2.5 spring lift with 31's
> and a
> > > > > 7.5' SOA lift with 37 inch Super Swampers.
> > > > >
> > > > > I gotta say, I was VERY pleasantly surprised. Without getting it
> > > > > aligned, it tracks straight and true. I had set it up for a tiny
> amount
> > > > > of toe-in. It handles and feels almost identically to the way it
> felt
> > > > > before, except that the tires are now much *quieter*!
> > > > >
> > > > > No "death wobble", no wankiness. Now this is just "around-town"
> driving,
> > > > > max 50 mph. I haven't gone freeway speeds, yet.
> > > > >
> > > > > However:
> > > > >
> > > > > I need to re-adjust the speedo plug in the t-case; it's reading
far
> > > > > higher mph than I'm actually travelling (or I could get lazy and
use
> a
> > > > GPS).
> > > > >
> > > > > I installed the ARB lines and electrical. The compressor switch
> lights
> > > > > up and runs the pumnp, but the actuator switches are so loud I
can't
> > > > > tell if the solenoids are engaging or not. I'll check with a
> voltmeter
> > > > > tomorrow.
> > > > >
> > > > > The thing is TALL and I have to be very acrobatic just to get in.
> > > > >
> > > > > Need to finish the fenders, and need to cut away the other three
> wheel
> > > > > wells (did one for a look-see).
> > > > >
> > > > > Worst part: I didn't order a high-pinion front D44. I should have.
I
> > > > > spent $4500 on the axle and the thing is low pinion, so the angle
on
> the
> > > > > driveshaft is steep, and I'm going to have to cut a slot out of
the
> skid
> > > > > plate to accommodate it. Live and learn.
> > > > >
> > > > > Overall impression: It's bitchin! I can't wait to get the front
> shaft
> > > > > in, lock up those lockers, and try some real obstacle hoppin'!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
>
>
>
after they'd established high pinion versions before in the YJ and XJ. Cost?
"Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1064964294.368471@r02.usenetserver.com...
> It came stock with a front reverse cut 30, but no CV style driveshaft.
>
> Terry.
>
>
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:3F790474.85FCB59B@***.net...
> > I'm curious as to why you didn't go with the reverse 44, it's
> > stronger when used as a front axle, and seeing you're paying top dollar,
> > it's not like you found a hundred dollar Scout Dana 44. And your YJ
> > should have come with a reverse 30 and constant velocity joint, but
> > probably too small to use with the 44.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > "Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote:
> > >
> > > FWIW, I also have a low pinion Dynatrac D44 in the front of my '94 YJ.
> It
> > > took a double-cardan CV at the Atlas II t-case to eliminate driveline
> > > vibration & noise in 4wd Hi. However, it's now smooth as butter at
> nearly
> > > any speed, better than the stock D30. I got the driveshaft from
Hi-Angle
> > > Driveline, very well made unit.
> > >
> > > "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1064885414.358433@rh9cache2...
> > > > Let us know how that spring-over turns out. That could be my next
> mod.
> > > > I've shyed away from it so far, thinking it will screw up the
> suspension
> > > too
> > > > much for on-road travel.
> > > >
> > > > I've been pleased with the MPB kit too. Remember, those are some
big
> ol'
> > > > tires you gotta stop. Can't expect to stop instantly.
> > > >
> > > > About your front D44 front, did you get a CV or non-CV set up? If
CV
> and
> > > > the mid-section is pointed towards the t-case, I wouldn't think the
> angle
> > > > would be too awfully severe for the longer driveshaft in the front.
> Hey
> > > > man, my new D60 front should be here in a week or two. The waiting
is
> > > > killing me! I was hoping to get it installed before deer rifle
> season,
> > > but
> > > > it doesn't look like that will happen now - I won't be missing
opening
> > > day.
> > > >
> > > > Good luck.
> > > >
> > > > Terry.
> > > > 92YJ
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Cal Wheeler" <cal@whee.ler> wrote in message
> > > > news:bl61qf$p0b$0@pita.alt.net...
> > > > > Well gents, she ain't fininshed, but I was antsy to drive it after
a
> > > > > month up on blocks.
> > > > >
> > > > > I still haven't got my front driveshaft hooked up yet; Tom Woods
> sent me
> > > > > a new CV shaft, but the yoke splines are too big for my NP 231.
> > > > >
> > > > > But the meats were on, and so were the shocks, and I installed my
> new
> > > > > Master Power Brake master cylinder/booster, so I bled the brakes,
> threw
> > > > > on the skid plate, and went for a ride!
> > > > >
> > > > > I was worried about the brakes, worried about the alignment,
worried
> > > > > about the handling difference between a 2.5 spring lift with 31's
> and a
> > > > > 7.5' SOA lift with 37 inch Super Swampers.
> > > > >
> > > > > I gotta say, I was VERY pleasantly surprised. Without getting it
> > > > > aligned, it tracks straight and true. I had set it up for a tiny
> amount
> > > > > of toe-in. It handles and feels almost identically to the way it
> felt
> > > > > before, except that the tires are now much *quieter*!
> > > > >
> > > > > No "death wobble", no wankiness. Now this is just "around-town"
> driving,
> > > > > max 50 mph. I haven't gone freeway speeds, yet.
> > > > >
> > > > > However:
> > > > >
> > > > > I need to re-adjust the speedo plug in the t-case; it's reading
far
> > > > > higher mph than I'm actually travelling (or I could get lazy and
use
> a
> > > > GPS).
> > > > >
> > > > > I installed the ARB lines and electrical. The compressor switch
> lights
> > > > > up and runs the pumnp, but the actuator switches are so loud I
can't
> > > > > tell if the solenoids are engaging or not. I'll check with a
> voltmeter
> > > > > tomorrow.
> > > > >
> > > > > The thing is TALL and I have to be very acrobatic just to get in.
> > > > >
> > > > > Need to finish the fenders, and need to cut away the other three
> wheel
> > > > > wells (did one for a look-see).
> > > > >
> > > > > Worst part: I didn't order a high-pinion front D44. I should have.
I
> > > > > spent $4500 on the axle and the thing is low pinion, so the angle
on
> the
> > > > > driveshaft is steep, and I'm going to have to cut a slot out of
the
> skid
> > > > > plate to accommodate it. Live and learn.
> > > > >
> > > > > Overall impression: It's bitchin! I can't wait to get the front
> shaft
> > > > > in, lock up those lockers, and try some real obstacle hoppin'!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
>
>
>
09-30-2003, 07:45 PM
#28
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Cal's YJ: First ride!
For more engine clearance so they may lower the vehicle and center
of gravity to compete in these stupid rollover tests.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote:
>
> Indeed. I still can't figure why DC installed a low pinion D30 in the TJ
> after they'd established high pinion versions before in the YJ and XJ. Cost?
of gravity to compete in these stupid rollover tests.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote:
>
> Indeed. I still can't figure why DC installed a low pinion D30 in the TJ
> after they'd established high pinion versions before in the YJ and XJ. Cost?
09-30-2003, 07:45 PM
#29
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Cal's YJ: First ride!
For more engine clearance so they may lower the vehicle and center
of gravity to compete in these stupid rollover tests.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote:
>
> Indeed. I still can't figure why DC installed a low pinion D30 in the TJ
> after they'd established high pinion versions before in the YJ and XJ. Cost?
of gravity to compete in these stupid rollover tests.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote:
>
> Indeed. I still can't figure why DC installed a low pinion D30 in the TJ
> after they'd established high pinion versions before in the YJ and XJ. Cost?
09-30-2003, 09:27 PM
#30
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Cal's YJ: First ride!
What they *really* needed was a high pinion in the rear! That would have
made small to moderate lifts a *whole* lot easier and cheaper!
--
Jim
98 TJ SE
90 SJ GW
http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:vnk4q6k8tplbfd@corp.supernews.com...
> Indeed. I still can't figure why DC installed a low pinion D30 in the TJ
> after they'd established high pinion versions before in the YJ and XJ.
Cost?
>
> "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1064964294.368471@r02.usenetserver.com...
> > It came stock with a front reverse cut 30, but no CV style driveshaft.
> >
> > Terry.
> >
> >
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:3F790474.85FCB59B@***.net...
> > > I'm curious as to why you didn't go with the reverse 44, it's
> > > stronger when used as a front axle, and seeing you're paying top
dollar,
> > > it's not like you found a hundred dollar Scout Dana 44. And your YJ
> > > should have come with a reverse 30 and constant velocity joint, but
> > > probably too small to use with the 44.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > "Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > FWIW, I also have a low pinion Dynatrac D44 in the front of my '94
YJ.
> > It
> > > > took a double-cardan CV at the Atlas II t-case to eliminate
driveline
> > > > vibration & noise in 4wd Hi. However, it's now smooth as butter at
> > nearly
> > > > any speed, better than the stock D30. I got the driveshaft from
> Hi-Angle
> > > > Driveline, very well made unit.
> > > >
> > > > "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:1064885414.358433@rh9cache2...
> > > > > Let us know how that spring-over turns out. That could be my next
> > mod.
> > > > > I've shyed away from it so far, thinking it will screw up the
> > suspension
> > > > too
> > > > > much for on-road travel.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've been pleased with the MPB kit too. Remember, those are some
> big
> > ol'
> > > > > tires you gotta stop. Can't expect to stop instantly.
> > > > >
> > > > > About your front D44 front, did you get a CV or non-CV set up? If
> CV
> > and
> > > > > the mid-section is pointed towards the t-case, I wouldn't think
the
> > angle
> > > > > would be too awfully severe for the longer driveshaft in the
front.
> > Hey
> > > > > man, my new D60 front should be here in a week or two. The
waiting
> is
> > > > > killing me! I was hoping to get it installed before deer rifle
> > season,
> > > > but
> > > > > it doesn't look like that will happen now - I won't be missing
> opening
> > > > day.
> > > > >
> > > > > Good luck.
> > > > >
> > > > > Terry.
> > > > > 92YJ
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Cal Wheeler" <cal@whee.ler> wrote in message
> > > > > news:bl61qf$p0b$0@pita.alt.net...
> > > > > > Well gents, she ain't fininshed, but I was antsy to drive it
after
> a
> > > > > > month up on blocks.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I still haven't got my front driveshaft hooked up yet; Tom Woods
> > sent me
> > > > > > a new CV shaft, but the yoke splines are too big for my NP 231.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But the meats were on, and so were the shocks, and I installed
my
> > new
> > > > > > Master Power Brake master cylinder/booster, so I bled the
brakes,
> > threw
> > > > > > on the skid plate, and went for a ride!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I was worried about the brakes, worried about the alignment,
> worried
> > > > > > about the handling difference between a 2.5 spring lift with
31's
> > and a
> > > > > > 7.5' SOA lift with 37 inch Super Swampers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I gotta say, I was VERY pleasantly surprised. Without getting it
> > > > > > aligned, it tracks straight and true. I had set it up for a tiny
> > amount
> > > > > > of toe-in. It handles and feels almost identically to the way it
> > felt
> > > > > > before, except that the tires are now much *quieter*!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No "death wobble", no wankiness. Now this is just "around-town"
> > driving,
> > > > > > max 50 mph. I haven't gone freeway speeds, yet.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > However:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I need to re-adjust the speedo plug in the t-case; it's reading
> far
> > > > > > higher mph than I'm actually travelling (or I could get lazy and
> use
> > a
> > > > > GPS).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I installed the ARB lines and electrical. The compressor switch
> > lights
> > > > > > up and runs the pumnp, but the actuator switches are so loud I
> can't
> > > > > > tell if the solenoids are engaging or not. I'll check with a
> > voltmeter
> > > > > > tomorrow.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The thing is TALL and I have to be very acrobatic just to get
in.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Need to finish the fenders, and need to cut away the other three
> > wheel
> > > > > > wells (did one for a look-see).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Worst part: I didn't order a high-pinion front D44. I should
have.
> I
> > > > > > spent $4500 on the axle and the thing is low pinion, so the
angle
> on
> > the
> > > > > > driveshaft is steep, and I'm going to have to cut a slot out of
> the
> > skid
> > > > > > plate to accommodate it. Live and learn.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Overall impression: It's bitchin! I can't wait to get the front
> > shaft
> > > > > > in, lock up those lockers, and try some real obstacle hoppin'!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
made small to moderate lifts a *whole* lot easier and cheaper!
--
Jim
98 TJ SE
90 SJ GW
http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:vnk4q6k8tplbfd@corp.supernews.com...
> Indeed. I still can't figure why DC installed a low pinion D30 in the TJ
> after they'd established high pinion versions before in the YJ and XJ.
Cost?
>
> "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1064964294.368471@r02.usenetserver.com...
> > It came stock with a front reverse cut 30, but no CV style driveshaft.
> >
> > Terry.
> >
> >
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:3F790474.85FCB59B@***.net...
> > > I'm curious as to why you didn't go with the reverse 44, it's
> > > stronger when used as a front axle, and seeing you're paying top
dollar,
> > > it's not like you found a hundred dollar Scout Dana 44. And your YJ
> > > should have come with a reverse 30 and constant velocity joint, but
> > > probably too small to use with the 44.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > "Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > FWIW, I also have a low pinion Dynatrac D44 in the front of my '94
YJ.
> > It
> > > > took a double-cardan CV at the Atlas II t-case to eliminate
driveline
> > > > vibration & noise in 4wd Hi. However, it's now smooth as butter at
> > nearly
> > > > any speed, better than the stock D30. I got the driveshaft from
> Hi-Angle
> > > > Driveline, very well made unit.
> > > >
> > > > "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:1064885414.358433@rh9cache2...
> > > > > Let us know how that spring-over turns out. That could be my next
> > mod.
> > > > > I've shyed away from it so far, thinking it will screw up the
> > suspension
> > > > too
> > > > > much for on-road travel.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've been pleased with the MPB kit too. Remember, those are some
> big
> > ol'
> > > > > tires you gotta stop. Can't expect to stop instantly.
> > > > >
> > > > > About your front D44 front, did you get a CV or non-CV set up? If
> CV
> > and
> > > > > the mid-section is pointed towards the t-case, I wouldn't think
the
> > angle
> > > > > would be too awfully severe for the longer driveshaft in the
front.
> > Hey
> > > > > man, my new D60 front should be here in a week or two. The
waiting
> is
> > > > > killing me! I was hoping to get it installed before deer rifle
> > season,
> > > > but
> > > > > it doesn't look like that will happen now - I won't be missing
> opening
> > > > day.
> > > > >
> > > > > Good luck.
> > > > >
> > > > > Terry.
> > > > > 92YJ
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Cal Wheeler" <cal@whee.ler> wrote in message
> > > > > news:bl61qf$p0b$0@pita.alt.net...
> > > > > > Well gents, she ain't fininshed, but I was antsy to drive it
after
> a
> > > > > > month up on blocks.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I still haven't got my front driveshaft hooked up yet; Tom Woods
> > sent me
> > > > > > a new CV shaft, but the yoke splines are too big for my NP 231.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But the meats were on, and so were the shocks, and I installed
my
> > new
> > > > > > Master Power Brake master cylinder/booster, so I bled the
brakes,
> > threw
> > > > > > on the skid plate, and went for a ride!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I was worried about the brakes, worried about the alignment,
> worried
> > > > > > about the handling difference between a 2.5 spring lift with
31's
> > and a
> > > > > > 7.5' SOA lift with 37 inch Super Swampers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I gotta say, I was VERY pleasantly surprised. Without getting it
> > > > > > aligned, it tracks straight and true. I had set it up for a tiny
> > amount
> > > > > > of toe-in. It handles and feels almost identically to the way it
> > felt
> > > > > > before, except that the tires are now much *quieter*!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No "death wobble", no wankiness. Now this is just "around-town"
> > driving,
> > > > > > max 50 mph. I haven't gone freeway speeds, yet.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > However:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I need to re-adjust the speedo plug in the t-case; it's reading
> far
> > > > > > higher mph than I'm actually travelling (or I could get lazy and
> use
> > a
> > > > > GPS).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I installed the ARB lines and electrical. The compressor switch
> > lights
> > > > > > up and runs the pumnp, but the actuator switches are so loud I
> can't
> > > > > > tell if the solenoids are engaging or not. I'll check with a
> > voltmeter
> > > > > > tomorrow.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The thing is TALL and I have to be very acrobatic just to get
in.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Need to finish the fenders, and need to cut away the other three
> > wheel
> > > > > > wells (did one for a look-see).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Worst part: I didn't order a high-pinion front D44. I should
have.
> I
> > > > > > spent $4500 on the axle and the thing is low pinion, so the
angle
> on
> > the
> > > > > > driveshaft is steep, and I'm going to have to cut a slot out of
> the
> > skid
> > > > > > plate to accommodate it. Live and learn.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Overall impression: It's bitchin! I can't wait to get the front
> > shaft
> > > > > > in, lock up those lockers, and try some real obstacle hoppin'!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
