Bumper-mounted trailer hitch bracket for Jeep Wrangler TJ
#161
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Re: Bumper-mounted trailer hitch bracket for Jeep Wrangler TJ
Richard,
I like your definition of engineering. I guess I am a successful engineer,
because I worked for exactly six years, three months after I got out of
school, and I have been retired for eleven years since. I call that "the
economical application of scientific knowledge to a physical application".
Sure I could have worked for twice as long, had a couple heart attacks, and
there would be enough money for my widow, kids and grandkids to never have
to be afraid of poverty or hunger again. There is a parallel here, and
someday I am going to figure out what it is. Until then, you keep doing
what you are doing.
"Posters simulating critical thought with platitudes", I love this. Please
feel free to post here again, the next time you engineer something. ;^)
Earle
"Richard J Kinch" <kinch@truetex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9759AEC046009someconundrum@216.196.97.131. ..
> Andrew VK3BFA writes:
>
> > Why not just do it, cover the situation where
> > "Someone Else" might be tempted to overload it. This is called
> > engineering. Plan for the worse.
>
> I am an engineer.
>
> I define engineering as the economical application of scientific
> knowledge to a physical application.
>
> To "plan for the worse" is not engineering, if the worst is not worth
> planning for. It is spending too much on the biggest and baddest in the
> catalog, which is the anti-engineering mentality of "I built it as
> strong as possible, so I didn't have to think about it, nothing more
> could have been done". You don't build a wooden crate when a cardboard
> box will do, even though it won't stand up to a gorilla jumping on it.
>
> Look, the item tows my boat, economically, and with some material
> analysis, albeit casual. It does not fit the worst case, nor is it
> intended to.
>
> > One of the beginnings of maturity is recognising how little you know
> > as an individual.
>
> Ya gotta love Usenet. Posters simulating critical thought with
> platitudes, without knowing who they are talking to.
I like your definition of engineering. I guess I am a successful engineer,
because I worked for exactly six years, three months after I got out of
school, and I have been retired for eleven years since. I call that "the
economical application of scientific knowledge to a physical application".
Sure I could have worked for twice as long, had a couple heart attacks, and
there would be enough money for my widow, kids and grandkids to never have
to be afraid of poverty or hunger again. There is a parallel here, and
someday I am going to figure out what it is. Until then, you keep doing
what you are doing.
"Posters simulating critical thought with platitudes", I love this. Please
feel free to post here again, the next time you engineer something. ;^)
Earle
"Richard J Kinch" <kinch@truetex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9759AEC046009someconundrum@216.196.97.131. ..
> Andrew VK3BFA writes:
>
> > Why not just do it, cover the situation where
> > "Someone Else" might be tempted to overload it. This is called
> > engineering. Plan for the worse.
>
> I am an engineer.
>
> I define engineering as the economical application of scientific
> knowledge to a physical application.
>
> To "plan for the worse" is not engineering, if the worst is not worth
> planning for. It is spending too much on the biggest and baddest in the
> catalog, which is the anti-engineering mentality of "I built it as
> strong as possible, so I didn't have to think about it, nothing more
> could have been done". You don't build a wooden crate when a cardboard
> box will do, even though it won't stand up to a gorilla jumping on it.
>
> Look, the item tows my boat, economically, and with some material
> analysis, albeit casual. It does not fit the worst case, nor is it
> intended to.
>
> > One of the beginnings of maturity is recognising how little you know
> > as an individual.
>
> Ya gotta love Usenet. Posters simulating critical thought with
> platitudes, without knowing who they are talking to.
#162
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Re: Bumper-mounted trailer hitch bracket for Jeep Wrangler TJ
Richard,
I like your definition of engineering. I guess I am a successful engineer,
because I worked for exactly six years, three months after I got out of
school, and I have been retired for eleven years since. I call that "the
economical application of scientific knowledge to a physical application".
Sure I could have worked for twice as long, had a couple heart attacks, and
there would be enough money for my widow, kids and grandkids to never have
to be afraid of poverty or hunger again. There is a parallel here, and
someday I am going to figure out what it is. Until then, you keep doing
what you are doing.
"Posters simulating critical thought with platitudes", I love this. Please
feel free to post here again, the next time you engineer something. ;^)
Earle
"Richard J Kinch" <kinch@truetex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9759AEC046009someconundrum@216.196.97.131. ..
> Andrew VK3BFA writes:
>
> > Why not just do it, cover the situation where
> > "Someone Else" might be tempted to overload it. This is called
> > engineering. Plan for the worse.
>
> I am an engineer.
>
> I define engineering as the economical application of scientific
> knowledge to a physical application.
>
> To "plan for the worse" is not engineering, if the worst is not worth
> planning for. It is spending too much on the biggest and baddest in the
> catalog, which is the anti-engineering mentality of "I built it as
> strong as possible, so I didn't have to think about it, nothing more
> could have been done". You don't build a wooden crate when a cardboard
> box will do, even though it won't stand up to a gorilla jumping on it.
>
> Look, the item tows my boat, economically, and with some material
> analysis, albeit casual. It does not fit the worst case, nor is it
> intended to.
>
> > One of the beginnings of maturity is recognising how little you know
> > as an individual.
>
> Ya gotta love Usenet. Posters simulating critical thought with
> platitudes, without knowing who they are talking to.
I like your definition of engineering. I guess I am a successful engineer,
because I worked for exactly six years, three months after I got out of
school, and I have been retired for eleven years since. I call that "the
economical application of scientific knowledge to a physical application".
Sure I could have worked for twice as long, had a couple heart attacks, and
there would be enough money for my widow, kids and grandkids to never have
to be afraid of poverty or hunger again. There is a parallel here, and
someday I am going to figure out what it is. Until then, you keep doing
what you are doing.
"Posters simulating critical thought with platitudes", I love this. Please
feel free to post here again, the next time you engineer something. ;^)
Earle
"Richard J Kinch" <kinch@truetex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9759AEC046009someconundrum@216.196.97.131. ..
> Andrew VK3BFA writes:
>
> > Why not just do it, cover the situation where
> > "Someone Else" might be tempted to overload it. This is called
> > engineering. Plan for the worse.
>
> I am an engineer.
>
> I define engineering as the economical application of scientific
> knowledge to a physical application.
>
> To "plan for the worse" is not engineering, if the worst is not worth
> planning for. It is spending too much on the biggest and baddest in the
> catalog, which is the anti-engineering mentality of "I built it as
> strong as possible, so I didn't have to think about it, nothing more
> could have been done". You don't build a wooden crate when a cardboard
> box will do, even though it won't stand up to a gorilla jumping on it.
>
> Look, the item tows my boat, economically, and with some material
> analysis, albeit casual. It does not fit the worst case, nor is it
> intended to.
>
> > One of the beginnings of maturity is recognising how little you know
> > as an individual.
>
> Ya gotta love Usenet. Posters simulating critical thought with
> platitudes, without knowing who they are talking to.
#163
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Re: Bumper-mounted trailer hitch bracket for Jeep Wrangler TJ
Richard,
I like your definition of engineering. I guess I am a successful engineer,
because I worked for exactly six years, three months after I got out of
school, and I have been retired for eleven years since. I call that "the
economical application of scientific knowledge to a physical application".
Sure I could have worked for twice as long, had a couple heart attacks, and
there would be enough money for my widow, kids and grandkids to never have
to be afraid of poverty or hunger again. There is a parallel here, and
someday I am going to figure out what it is. Until then, you keep doing
what you are doing.
"Posters simulating critical thought with platitudes", I love this. Please
feel free to post here again, the next time you engineer something. ;^)
Earle
"Richard J Kinch" <kinch@truetex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9759AEC046009someconundrum@216.196.97.131. ..
> Andrew VK3BFA writes:
>
> > Why not just do it, cover the situation where
> > "Someone Else" might be tempted to overload it. This is called
> > engineering. Plan for the worse.
>
> I am an engineer.
>
> I define engineering as the economical application of scientific
> knowledge to a physical application.
>
> To "plan for the worse" is not engineering, if the worst is not worth
> planning for. It is spending too much on the biggest and baddest in the
> catalog, which is the anti-engineering mentality of "I built it as
> strong as possible, so I didn't have to think about it, nothing more
> could have been done". You don't build a wooden crate when a cardboard
> box will do, even though it won't stand up to a gorilla jumping on it.
>
> Look, the item tows my boat, economically, and with some material
> analysis, albeit casual. It does not fit the worst case, nor is it
> intended to.
>
> > One of the beginnings of maturity is recognising how little you know
> > as an individual.
>
> Ya gotta love Usenet. Posters simulating critical thought with
> platitudes, without knowing who they are talking to.
I like your definition of engineering. I guess I am a successful engineer,
because I worked for exactly six years, three months after I got out of
school, and I have been retired for eleven years since. I call that "the
economical application of scientific knowledge to a physical application".
Sure I could have worked for twice as long, had a couple heart attacks, and
there would be enough money for my widow, kids and grandkids to never have
to be afraid of poverty or hunger again. There is a parallel here, and
someday I am going to figure out what it is. Until then, you keep doing
what you are doing.
"Posters simulating critical thought with platitudes", I love this. Please
feel free to post here again, the next time you engineer something. ;^)
Earle
"Richard J Kinch" <kinch@truetex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9759AEC046009someconundrum@216.196.97.131. ..
> Andrew VK3BFA writes:
>
> > Why not just do it, cover the situation where
> > "Someone Else" might be tempted to overload it. This is called
> > engineering. Plan for the worse.
>
> I am an engineer.
>
> I define engineering as the economical application of scientific
> knowledge to a physical application.
>
> To "plan for the worse" is not engineering, if the worst is not worth
> planning for. It is spending too much on the biggest and baddest in the
> catalog, which is the anti-engineering mentality of "I built it as
> strong as possible, so I didn't have to think about it, nothing more
> could have been done". You don't build a wooden crate when a cardboard
> box will do, even though it won't stand up to a gorilla jumping on it.
>
> Look, the item tows my boat, economically, and with some material
> analysis, albeit casual. It does not fit the worst case, nor is it
> intended to.
>
> > One of the beginnings of maturity is recognising how little you know
> > as an individual.
>
> Ya gotta love Usenet. Posters simulating critical thought with
> platitudes, without knowing who they are talking to.
#164
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Re: Bumper-mounted trailer hitch bracket for Jeep Wrangler TJ
Richard J Kinch wrote:
> Andrew VK3BFA writes:
>
> > Why not just do it, cover the situation where
> > "Someone Else" might be tempted to overload it. This is called
> > engineering. Plan for the worse.
>
> I am an engineer.
>
> I define engineering as the economical application of scientific
> knowledge to a physical application.
Nah. Thats cost accounting. Design and manufacture something with the
minimal cost and effort that will just do the job with no margin for
error. When it fails, refer to "Definition of Engineering" and blame
the customer for their lack of knowledge.
>
>
> > One of the beginnings of maturity is recognising how little you know
> > as an individual.
>
> Ya gotta love Usenet. Posters simulating critical thought with
> platitudes, without knowing who they are talking to.
Sorry, wasnt aware I was talking to "an engineer". I apologise. Please
forgive me for my ignorant comments.
Andrew VK3BFA.
#165
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Re: Bumper-mounted trailer hitch bracket for Jeep Wrangler TJ
Richard J Kinch wrote:
> Andrew VK3BFA writes:
>
> > Why not just do it, cover the situation where
> > "Someone Else" might be tempted to overload it. This is called
> > engineering. Plan for the worse.
>
> I am an engineer.
>
> I define engineering as the economical application of scientific
> knowledge to a physical application.
Nah. Thats cost accounting. Design and manufacture something with the
minimal cost and effort that will just do the job with no margin for
error. When it fails, refer to "Definition of Engineering" and blame
the customer for their lack of knowledge.
>
>
> > One of the beginnings of maturity is recognising how little you know
> > as an individual.
>
> Ya gotta love Usenet. Posters simulating critical thought with
> platitudes, without knowing who they are talking to.
Sorry, wasnt aware I was talking to "an engineer". I apologise. Please
forgive me for my ignorant comments.
Andrew VK3BFA.
#166
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Re: Bumper-mounted trailer hitch bracket for Jeep Wrangler TJ
Richard J Kinch wrote:
> Andrew VK3BFA writes:
>
> > Why not just do it, cover the situation where
> > "Someone Else" might be tempted to overload it. This is called
> > engineering. Plan for the worse.
>
> I am an engineer.
>
> I define engineering as the economical application of scientific
> knowledge to a physical application.
Nah. Thats cost accounting. Design and manufacture something with the
minimal cost and effort that will just do the job with no margin for
error. When it fails, refer to "Definition of Engineering" and blame
the customer for their lack of knowledge.
>
>
> > One of the beginnings of maturity is recognising how little you know
> > as an individual.
>
> Ya gotta love Usenet. Posters simulating critical thought with
> platitudes, without knowing who they are talking to.
Sorry, wasnt aware I was talking to "an engineer". I apologise. Please
forgive me for my ignorant comments.
Andrew VK3BFA.
#167
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Re: Bumper-mounted trailer hitch bracket for Jeep Wrangler TJ
"Richard J Kinch" <kinch@truetex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9759AFE32F164someconundrum@216.196.97.131. ..
<crossposting-snipped>
> A (smaller) backing plate is only a glorified washer, good only against
> shearing through the attachment point. The rest of the bumper will have
> failed before that happens, so it adds nothing.
Yep, but a really BIG HONKIN' washer... Whereas normal washers might pull
through in a worst case scenario, it would take quite a bit more for a
backing plate the size of your hitch plate to pull through... At that point,
your limiting factor would be the attachment of the bumper to the vehicle...
Personally, I prefer to engineer something so that failure is not due to a
party the *I* designed...
> A larger backing plate would be tantamount to replacing the bumper with a
> stronger cross-member, and at that point you might as well put on a frame-
> mounted hitch instead of using the bumper.
Exactly...
news:Xns9759AFE32F164someconundrum@216.196.97.131. ..
<crossposting-snipped>
> A (smaller) backing plate is only a glorified washer, good only against
> shearing through the attachment point. The rest of the bumper will have
> failed before that happens, so it adds nothing.
Yep, but a really BIG HONKIN' washer... Whereas normal washers might pull
through in a worst case scenario, it would take quite a bit more for a
backing plate the size of your hitch plate to pull through... At that point,
your limiting factor would be the attachment of the bumper to the vehicle...
Personally, I prefer to engineer something so that failure is not due to a
party the *I* designed...
> A larger backing plate would be tantamount to replacing the bumper with a
> stronger cross-member, and at that point you might as well put on a frame-
> mounted hitch instead of using the bumper.
Exactly...
#168
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Re: Bumper-mounted trailer hitch bracket for Jeep Wrangler TJ
"Richard J Kinch" <kinch@truetex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9759AFE32F164someconundrum@216.196.97.131. ..
<crossposting-snipped>
> A (smaller) backing plate is only a glorified washer, good only against
> shearing through the attachment point. The rest of the bumper will have
> failed before that happens, so it adds nothing.
Yep, but a really BIG HONKIN' washer... Whereas normal washers might pull
through in a worst case scenario, it would take quite a bit more for a
backing plate the size of your hitch plate to pull through... At that point,
your limiting factor would be the attachment of the bumper to the vehicle...
Personally, I prefer to engineer something so that failure is not due to a
party the *I* designed...
> A larger backing plate would be tantamount to replacing the bumper with a
> stronger cross-member, and at that point you might as well put on a frame-
> mounted hitch instead of using the bumper.
Exactly...
news:Xns9759AFE32F164someconundrum@216.196.97.131. ..
<crossposting-snipped>
> A (smaller) backing plate is only a glorified washer, good only against
> shearing through the attachment point. The rest of the bumper will have
> failed before that happens, so it adds nothing.
Yep, but a really BIG HONKIN' washer... Whereas normal washers might pull
through in a worst case scenario, it would take quite a bit more for a
backing plate the size of your hitch plate to pull through... At that point,
your limiting factor would be the attachment of the bumper to the vehicle...
Personally, I prefer to engineer something so that failure is not due to a
party the *I* designed...
> A larger backing plate would be tantamount to replacing the bumper with a
> stronger cross-member, and at that point you might as well put on a frame-
> mounted hitch instead of using the bumper.
Exactly...
#169
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Re: Bumper-mounted trailer hitch bracket for Jeep Wrangler TJ
"Richard J Kinch" <kinch@truetex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9759AFE32F164someconundrum@216.196.97.131. ..
<crossposting-snipped>
> A (smaller) backing plate is only a glorified washer, good only against
> shearing through the attachment point. The rest of the bumper will have
> failed before that happens, so it adds nothing.
Yep, but a really BIG HONKIN' washer... Whereas normal washers might pull
through in a worst case scenario, it would take quite a bit more for a
backing plate the size of your hitch plate to pull through... At that point,
your limiting factor would be the attachment of the bumper to the vehicle...
Personally, I prefer to engineer something so that failure is not due to a
party the *I* designed...
> A larger backing plate would be tantamount to replacing the bumper with a
> stronger cross-member, and at that point you might as well put on a frame-
> mounted hitch instead of using the bumper.
Exactly...
news:Xns9759AFE32F164someconundrum@216.196.97.131. ..
<crossposting-snipped>
> A (smaller) backing plate is only a glorified washer, good only against
> shearing through the attachment point. The rest of the bumper will have
> failed before that happens, so it adds nothing.
Yep, but a really BIG HONKIN' washer... Whereas normal washers might pull
through in a worst case scenario, it would take quite a bit more for a
backing plate the size of your hitch plate to pull through... At that point,
your limiting factor would be the attachment of the bumper to the vehicle...
Personally, I prefer to engineer something so that failure is not due to a
party the *I* designed...
> A larger backing plate would be tantamount to replacing the bumper with a
> stronger cross-member, and at that point you might as well put on a frame-
> mounted hitch instead of using the bumper.
Exactly...
#170
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Re: Bumper-mounted trailer hitch bracket for Jeep Wrangler TJ
Hi Earle,
Remember you have to work at least ten years to be eligible for
Social Security retirement benefits, even though you probably paid in
more than I.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Richard,
>
> I like your definition of engineering. I guess I am a successful engineer,
> because I worked for exactly six years, three months after I got out of
> school, and I have been retired for eleven years since. I call that "the
> economical application of scientific knowledge to a physical application".
> Sure I could have worked for twice as long, had a couple heart attacks, and
> there would be enough money for my widow, kids and grandkids to never have
> to be afraid of poverty or hunger again. There is a parallel here, and
> someday I am going to figure out what it is. Until then, you keep doing
> what you are doing.
>
> "Posters simulating critical thought with platitudes", I love this. Please
> feel free to post here again, the next time you engineer something. ;^)
>
> Earle
Remember you have to work at least ten years to be eligible for
Social Security retirement benefits, even though you probably paid in
more than I.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Richard,
>
> I like your definition of engineering. I guess I am a successful engineer,
> because I worked for exactly six years, three months after I got out of
> school, and I have been retired for eleven years since. I call that "the
> economical application of scientific knowledge to a physical application".
> Sure I could have worked for twice as long, had a couple heart attacks, and
> there would be enough money for my widow, kids and grandkids to never have
> to be afraid of poverty or hunger again. There is a parallel here, and
> someday I am going to figure out what it is. Until then, you keep doing
> what you are doing.
>
> "Posters simulating critical thought with platitudes", I love this. Please
> feel free to post here again, the next time you engineer something. ;^)
>
> Earle