Bumper-mounted trailer hitch bracket for Jeep Wrangler TJ
#121
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Re: Bumper-mounted trailer hitch bracket for Jeep Wrangler TJ
cantrelm writes:
> If the bumper were suitable for load-bearing then why does Jeep not sell
> this simple little option.
Not probative. I recall they didn't sell any kind of hitch option for a
long time; it was all unendorsed aftermarket stuff.
Last I checked, U-Haul won't even rent you a trailer for a Jeep, no matter
what hitch you have.
Trailering on a Jeep is a problematic compromise (when it is not a
religious absolute in some minds).
> If the bumper were suitable for load-bearing then why does Jeep not sell
> this simple little option.
Not probative. I recall they didn't sell any kind of hitch option for a
long time; it was all unendorsed aftermarket stuff.
Last I checked, U-Haul won't even rent you a trailer for a Jeep, no matter
what hitch you have.
Trailering on a Jeep is a problematic compromise (when it is not a
religious absolute in some minds).
#122
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Re: Bumper-mounted trailer hitch bracket for Jeep Wrangler TJ
Richard,
"Not probative." oh please.
I really hope your arrogance does not get someone hurt.
Tom
"Richard J Kinch" <kinch@truetex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9758A33C8A1AFsomeconundrum@216.196.97.131. ..
> cantrelm writes:
>
> > If the bumper were suitable for load-bearing then why does Jeep not sell
> > this simple little option.
>
> Not probative. I recall they didn't sell any kind of hitch option for a
> long time; it was all unendorsed aftermarket stuff.
>
> Last I checked, U-Haul won't even rent you a trailer for a Jeep, no matter
> what hitch you have.
>
> Trailering on a Jeep is a problematic compromise (when it is not a
> religious absolute in some minds).
"Not probative." oh please.
I really hope your arrogance does not get someone hurt.
Tom
"Richard J Kinch" <kinch@truetex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9758A33C8A1AFsomeconundrum@216.196.97.131. ..
> cantrelm writes:
>
> > If the bumper were suitable for load-bearing then why does Jeep not sell
> > this simple little option.
>
> Not probative. I recall they didn't sell any kind of hitch option for a
> long time; it was all unendorsed aftermarket stuff.
>
> Last I checked, U-Haul won't even rent you a trailer for a Jeep, no matter
> what hitch you have.
>
> Trailering on a Jeep is a problematic compromise (when it is not a
> religious absolute in some minds).
#123
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Re: Bumper-mounted trailer hitch bracket for Jeep Wrangler TJ
Richard,
"Not probative." oh please.
I really hope your arrogance does not get someone hurt.
Tom
"Richard J Kinch" <kinch@truetex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9758A33C8A1AFsomeconundrum@216.196.97.131. ..
> cantrelm writes:
>
> > If the bumper were suitable for load-bearing then why does Jeep not sell
> > this simple little option.
>
> Not probative. I recall they didn't sell any kind of hitch option for a
> long time; it was all unendorsed aftermarket stuff.
>
> Last I checked, U-Haul won't even rent you a trailer for a Jeep, no matter
> what hitch you have.
>
> Trailering on a Jeep is a problematic compromise (when it is not a
> religious absolute in some minds).
"Not probative." oh please.
I really hope your arrogance does not get someone hurt.
Tom
"Richard J Kinch" <kinch@truetex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9758A33C8A1AFsomeconundrum@216.196.97.131. ..
> cantrelm writes:
>
> > If the bumper were suitable for load-bearing then why does Jeep not sell
> > this simple little option.
>
> Not probative. I recall they didn't sell any kind of hitch option for a
> long time; it was all unendorsed aftermarket stuff.
>
> Last I checked, U-Haul won't even rent you a trailer for a Jeep, no matter
> what hitch you have.
>
> Trailering on a Jeep is a problematic compromise (when it is not a
> religious absolute in some minds).
#124
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Re: Bumper-mounted trailer hitch bracket for Jeep Wrangler TJ
Richard,
"Not probative." oh please.
I really hope your arrogance does not get someone hurt.
Tom
"Richard J Kinch" <kinch@truetex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9758A33C8A1AFsomeconundrum@216.196.97.131. ..
> cantrelm writes:
>
> > If the bumper were suitable for load-bearing then why does Jeep not sell
> > this simple little option.
>
> Not probative. I recall they didn't sell any kind of hitch option for a
> long time; it was all unendorsed aftermarket stuff.
>
> Last I checked, U-Haul won't even rent you a trailer for a Jeep, no matter
> what hitch you have.
>
> Trailering on a Jeep is a problematic compromise (when it is not a
> religious absolute in some minds).
"Not probative." oh please.
I really hope your arrogance does not get someone hurt.
Tom
"Richard J Kinch" <kinch@truetex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9758A33C8A1AFsomeconundrum@216.196.97.131. ..
> cantrelm writes:
>
> > If the bumper were suitable for load-bearing then why does Jeep not sell
> > this simple little option.
>
> Not probative. I recall they didn't sell any kind of hitch option for a
> long time; it was all unendorsed aftermarket stuff.
>
> Last I checked, U-Haul won't even rent you a trailer for a Jeep, no matter
> what hitch you have.
>
> Trailering on a Jeep is a problematic compromise (when it is not a
> religious absolute in some minds).
#125
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Re: Bumper-mounted trailer hitch bracket for Jeep Wrangler TJ
Richard J Kinch wrote:
>
> Andrew VK3BFA writes:
>
> > could I
> > humbly suggest that a sticker saying "max towing weight 1,000lbs" be
> > put on the thing?
>
> If it ever came down to a situation where someone would read it, and heed
> it, then I might do something like that. For my personal use, why bother.
> (On the other hand, I've never had much use for that steel punch stamping
> kit, maybe I'll stamp it on there for that Canadian trip someday, heh heh.)
>
> This whole culture of Jeep hitches has me baffled. People insist on
> putting class III hitches on a short-wheelbase soft-top vehicle that
> dubiously purports even a minimal 2000 lb capacity. The guys who also have
> the jacked-up suspensions, cheating death with their unstable aftermarket
> mods, are the extreme version of this.
>
> THere is a kind of "impedance matching" optimization to this type of
> design, and I believe I've approximated it for the intended application.
Bull crap.
You are attaching a trailer to sheet metal that 'I' am capable of
bending back into shape by hand.
Overbuilding an attachment point is a safety thing. Off road stresses
can be amazingly high. Putting an attachment point on sheet metal is
almost criminal. Well, it 'is' criminal up here in Canada to have an
under rated trailer hitch.
The rental places won't rent to soft top vehicles. This is because of a
serious CO safety issue when the exhaust vortexes between the back of
the Jeep and the trailer.
I know there is no talking sense to you. I just hope you don't go out
and kill someone.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Andrew VK3BFA writes:
>
> > could I
> > humbly suggest that a sticker saying "max towing weight 1,000lbs" be
> > put on the thing?
>
> If it ever came down to a situation where someone would read it, and heed
> it, then I might do something like that. For my personal use, why bother.
> (On the other hand, I've never had much use for that steel punch stamping
> kit, maybe I'll stamp it on there for that Canadian trip someday, heh heh.)
>
> This whole culture of Jeep hitches has me baffled. People insist on
> putting class III hitches on a short-wheelbase soft-top vehicle that
> dubiously purports even a minimal 2000 lb capacity. The guys who also have
> the jacked-up suspensions, cheating death with their unstable aftermarket
> mods, are the extreme version of this.
>
> THere is a kind of "impedance matching" optimization to this type of
> design, and I believe I've approximated it for the intended application.
Bull crap.
You are attaching a trailer to sheet metal that 'I' am capable of
bending back into shape by hand.
Overbuilding an attachment point is a safety thing. Off road stresses
can be amazingly high. Putting an attachment point on sheet metal is
almost criminal. Well, it 'is' criminal up here in Canada to have an
under rated trailer hitch.
The rental places won't rent to soft top vehicles. This is because of a
serious CO safety issue when the exhaust vortexes between the back of
the Jeep and the trailer.
I know there is no talking sense to you. I just hope you don't go out
and kill someone.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
#126
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Re: Bumper-mounted trailer hitch bracket for Jeep Wrangler TJ
Richard J Kinch wrote:
>
> Andrew VK3BFA writes:
>
> > could I
> > humbly suggest that a sticker saying "max towing weight 1,000lbs" be
> > put on the thing?
>
> If it ever came down to a situation where someone would read it, and heed
> it, then I might do something like that. For my personal use, why bother.
> (On the other hand, I've never had much use for that steel punch stamping
> kit, maybe I'll stamp it on there for that Canadian trip someday, heh heh.)
>
> This whole culture of Jeep hitches has me baffled. People insist on
> putting class III hitches on a short-wheelbase soft-top vehicle that
> dubiously purports even a minimal 2000 lb capacity. The guys who also have
> the jacked-up suspensions, cheating death with their unstable aftermarket
> mods, are the extreme version of this.
>
> THere is a kind of "impedance matching" optimization to this type of
> design, and I believe I've approximated it for the intended application.
Bull crap.
You are attaching a trailer to sheet metal that 'I' am capable of
bending back into shape by hand.
Overbuilding an attachment point is a safety thing. Off road stresses
can be amazingly high. Putting an attachment point on sheet metal is
almost criminal. Well, it 'is' criminal up here in Canada to have an
under rated trailer hitch.
The rental places won't rent to soft top vehicles. This is because of a
serious CO safety issue when the exhaust vortexes between the back of
the Jeep and the trailer.
I know there is no talking sense to you. I just hope you don't go out
and kill someone.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Andrew VK3BFA writes:
>
> > could I
> > humbly suggest that a sticker saying "max towing weight 1,000lbs" be
> > put on the thing?
>
> If it ever came down to a situation where someone would read it, and heed
> it, then I might do something like that. For my personal use, why bother.
> (On the other hand, I've never had much use for that steel punch stamping
> kit, maybe I'll stamp it on there for that Canadian trip someday, heh heh.)
>
> This whole culture of Jeep hitches has me baffled. People insist on
> putting class III hitches on a short-wheelbase soft-top vehicle that
> dubiously purports even a minimal 2000 lb capacity. The guys who also have
> the jacked-up suspensions, cheating death with their unstable aftermarket
> mods, are the extreme version of this.
>
> THere is a kind of "impedance matching" optimization to this type of
> design, and I believe I've approximated it for the intended application.
Bull crap.
You are attaching a trailer to sheet metal that 'I' am capable of
bending back into shape by hand.
Overbuilding an attachment point is a safety thing. Off road stresses
can be amazingly high. Putting an attachment point on sheet metal is
almost criminal. Well, it 'is' criminal up here in Canada to have an
under rated trailer hitch.
The rental places won't rent to soft top vehicles. This is because of a
serious CO safety issue when the exhaust vortexes between the back of
the Jeep and the trailer.
I know there is no talking sense to you. I just hope you don't go out
and kill someone.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
#127
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Re: Bumper-mounted trailer hitch bracket for Jeep Wrangler TJ
Richard J Kinch wrote:
>
> Andrew VK3BFA writes:
>
> > could I
> > humbly suggest that a sticker saying "max towing weight 1,000lbs" be
> > put on the thing?
>
> If it ever came down to a situation where someone would read it, and heed
> it, then I might do something like that. For my personal use, why bother.
> (On the other hand, I've never had much use for that steel punch stamping
> kit, maybe I'll stamp it on there for that Canadian trip someday, heh heh.)
>
> This whole culture of Jeep hitches has me baffled. People insist on
> putting class III hitches on a short-wheelbase soft-top vehicle that
> dubiously purports even a minimal 2000 lb capacity. The guys who also have
> the jacked-up suspensions, cheating death with their unstable aftermarket
> mods, are the extreme version of this.
>
> THere is a kind of "impedance matching" optimization to this type of
> design, and I believe I've approximated it for the intended application.
Bull crap.
You are attaching a trailer to sheet metal that 'I' am capable of
bending back into shape by hand.
Overbuilding an attachment point is a safety thing. Off road stresses
can be amazingly high. Putting an attachment point on sheet metal is
almost criminal. Well, it 'is' criminal up here in Canada to have an
under rated trailer hitch.
The rental places won't rent to soft top vehicles. This is because of a
serious CO safety issue when the exhaust vortexes between the back of
the Jeep and the trailer.
I know there is no talking sense to you. I just hope you don't go out
and kill someone.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Andrew VK3BFA writes:
>
> > could I
> > humbly suggest that a sticker saying "max towing weight 1,000lbs" be
> > put on the thing?
>
> If it ever came down to a situation where someone would read it, and heed
> it, then I might do something like that. For my personal use, why bother.
> (On the other hand, I've never had much use for that steel punch stamping
> kit, maybe I'll stamp it on there for that Canadian trip someday, heh heh.)
>
> This whole culture of Jeep hitches has me baffled. People insist on
> putting class III hitches on a short-wheelbase soft-top vehicle that
> dubiously purports even a minimal 2000 lb capacity. The guys who also have
> the jacked-up suspensions, cheating death with their unstable aftermarket
> mods, are the extreme version of this.
>
> THere is a kind of "impedance matching" optimization to this type of
> design, and I believe I've approximated it for the intended application.
Bull crap.
You are attaching a trailer to sheet metal that 'I' am capable of
bending back into shape by hand.
Overbuilding an attachment point is a safety thing. Off road stresses
can be amazingly high. Putting an attachment point on sheet metal is
almost criminal. Well, it 'is' criminal up here in Canada to have an
under rated trailer hitch.
The rental places won't rent to soft top vehicles. This is because of a
serious CO safety issue when the exhaust vortexes between the back of
the Jeep and the trailer.
I know there is no talking sense to you. I just hope you don't go out
and kill someone.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
#128
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Re: Bumper-mounted trailer hitch bracket for Jeep Wrangler TJ
"cantrelm" <cantrelm@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:UhrCf.23988$C%3.11375@bignews2.bellsouth.net. ..
> If the bumper were suitable for load-bearing then why does Jeep not sell
> this simple little option.
One thing that I noticed that I would at least re-engineer a bit was the
fact that it appears that his hitch plate does not have a backing plate
behind the thin metal of the Jeep bumper... I would think that he should at
least have a backing plate as large as the hitch plate inside the bumper to
distribute the load across a greater area... An even better idea might be to
have this backing plate large enough to traverse the full with of the
bumper... Once you're at that point, maybe you should even consider having
this 'backing plate' tie in to the frame of the vehicle... Of course, by
this point, it would have probably been easier to just build a real bumper
from scratch... <grin>
> There is a reason you can not buy a Jeep with a bumper hitch
> option on it. I would think that the Jeep engineers know what
> they are doing,
Not a good analogy... These are the same engineers who designed the
problematic manifold that cracks and the motor mount bolts that haved
sheered off on my XJ multiple times?
news:UhrCf.23988$C%3.11375@bignews2.bellsouth.net. ..
> If the bumper were suitable for load-bearing then why does Jeep not sell
> this simple little option.
One thing that I noticed that I would at least re-engineer a bit was the
fact that it appears that his hitch plate does not have a backing plate
behind the thin metal of the Jeep bumper... I would think that he should at
least have a backing plate as large as the hitch plate inside the bumper to
distribute the load across a greater area... An even better idea might be to
have this backing plate large enough to traverse the full with of the
bumper... Once you're at that point, maybe you should even consider having
this 'backing plate' tie in to the frame of the vehicle... Of course, by
this point, it would have probably been easier to just build a real bumper
from scratch... <grin>
> There is a reason you can not buy a Jeep with a bumper hitch
> option on it. I would think that the Jeep engineers know what
> they are doing,
Not a good analogy... These are the same engineers who designed the
problematic manifold that cracks and the motor mount bolts that haved
sheered off on my XJ multiple times?
#129
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Re: Bumper-mounted trailer hitch bracket for Jeep Wrangler TJ
"cantrelm" <cantrelm@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:UhrCf.23988$C%3.11375@bignews2.bellsouth.net. ..
> If the bumper were suitable for load-bearing then why does Jeep not sell
> this simple little option.
One thing that I noticed that I would at least re-engineer a bit was the
fact that it appears that his hitch plate does not have a backing plate
behind the thin metal of the Jeep bumper... I would think that he should at
least have a backing plate as large as the hitch plate inside the bumper to
distribute the load across a greater area... An even better idea might be to
have this backing plate large enough to traverse the full with of the
bumper... Once you're at that point, maybe you should even consider having
this 'backing plate' tie in to the frame of the vehicle... Of course, by
this point, it would have probably been easier to just build a real bumper
from scratch... <grin>
> There is a reason you can not buy a Jeep with a bumper hitch
> option on it. I would think that the Jeep engineers know what
> they are doing,
Not a good analogy... These are the same engineers who designed the
problematic manifold that cracks and the motor mount bolts that haved
sheered off on my XJ multiple times?
news:UhrCf.23988$C%3.11375@bignews2.bellsouth.net. ..
> If the bumper were suitable for load-bearing then why does Jeep not sell
> this simple little option.
One thing that I noticed that I would at least re-engineer a bit was the
fact that it appears that his hitch plate does not have a backing plate
behind the thin metal of the Jeep bumper... I would think that he should at
least have a backing plate as large as the hitch plate inside the bumper to
distribute the load across a greater area... An even better idea might be to
have this backing plate large enough to traverse the full with of the
bumper... Once you're at that point, maybe you should even consider having
this 'backing plate' tie in to the frame of the vehicle... Of course, by
this point, it would have probably been easier to just build a real bumper
from scratch... <grin>
> There is a reason you can not buy a Jeep with a bumper hitch
> option on it. I would think that the Jeep engineers know what
> they are doing,
Not a good analogy... These are the same engineers who designed the
problematic manifold that cracks and the motor mount bolts that haved
sheered off on my XJ multiple times?
#130
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Re: Bumper-mounted trailer hitch bracket for Jeep Wrangler TJ
"cantrelm" <cantrelm@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:UhrCf.23988$C%3.11375@bignews2.bellsouth.net. ..
> If the bumper were suitable for load-bearing then why does Jeep not sell
> this simple little option.
One thing that I noticed that I would at least re-engineer a bit was the
fact that it appears that his hitch plate does not have a backing plate
behind the thin metal of the Jeep bumper... I would think that he should at
least have a backing plate as large as the hitch plate inside the bumper to
distribute the load across a greater area... An even better idea might be to
have this backing plate large enough to traverse the full with of the
bumper... Once you're at that point, maybe you should even consider having
this 'backing plate' tie in to the frame of the vehicle... Of course, by
this point, it would have probably been easier to just build a real bumper
from scratch... <grin>
> There is a reason you can not buy a Jeep with a bumper hitch
> option on it. I would think that the Jeep engineers know what
> they are doing,
Not a good analogy... These are the same engineers who designed the
problematic manifold that cracks and the motor mount bolts that haved
sheered off on my XJ multiple times?
news:UhrCf.23988$C%3.11375@bignews2.bellsouth.net. ..
> If the bumper were suitable for load-bearing then why does Jeep not sell
> this simple little option.
One thing that I noticed that I would at least re-engineer a bit was the
fact that it appears that his hitch plate does not have a backing plate
behind the thin metal of the Jeep bumper... I would think that he should at
least have a backing plate as large as the hitch plate inside the bumper to
distribute the load across a greater area... An even better idea might be to
have this backing plate large enough to traverse the full with of the
bumper... Once you're at that point, maybe you should even consider having
this 'backing plate' tie in to the frame of the vehicle... Of course, by
this point, it would have probably been easier to just build a real bumper
from scratch... <grin>
> There is a reason you can not buy a Jeep with a bumper hitch
> option on it. I would think that the Jeep engineers know what
> they are doing,
Not a good analogy... These are the same engineers who designed the
problematic manifold that cracks and the motor mount bolts that haved
sheered off on my XJ multiple times?