Bumper-mounted trailer hitch bracket for Jeep Wrangler TJ
#111
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Re: Bumper-mounted trailer hitch bracket for Jeep Wrangler TJ
Good one Earle.
Tom
"Earle Horton" <nurse--NOSPAM--busters@msn.com> wrote in message
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> "Andrew VK3BFA" <ablight@alphalink.com.au> wrote in message
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> ---snippy---
> > - could I humbly suggest that a sticker saying
> > "max towing weight 1,000lbs" be put on the thing? -
> >
> I like this one. http://tinyurl.com/cel57
>
> Earle
>
>
Tom
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> "Andrew VK3BFA" <ablight@alphalink.com.au> wrote in message
> news:1138367101.397040.270290@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com...
> ---snippy---
> > - could I humbly suggest that a sticker saying
> > "max towing weight 1,000lbs" be put on the thing? -
> >
> I like this one. http://tinyurl.com/cel57
>
> Earle
>
>
#112
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Re: Bumper-mounted trailer hitch bracket for Jeep Wrangler TJ
Good one Earle.
Tom
"Earle Horton" <nurse--NOSPAM--busters@msn.com> wrote in message
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> "Andrew VK3BFA" <ablight@alphalink.com.au> wrote in message
> news:1138367101.397040.270290@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com...
> ---snippy---
> > - could I humbly suggest that a sticker saying
> > "max towing weight 1,000lbs" be put on the thing? -
> >
> I like this one. http://tinyurl.com/cel57
>
> Earle
>
>
Tom
"Earle Horton" <nurse--NOSPAM--busters@msn.com> wrote in message
news:43da73af$0$3882$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> "Andrew VK3BFA" <ablight@alphalink.com.au> wrote in message
> news:1138367101.397040.270290@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com...
> ---snippy---
> > - could I humbly suggest that a sticker saying
> > "max towing weight 1,000lbs" be put on the thing? -
> >
> I like this one. http://tinyurl.com/cel57
>
> Earle
>
>
#113
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Re: Bumper-mounted trailer hitch bracket for Jeep Wrangler TJ
Richard,
If the bumper were suitable for load-bearing then why does Jeep not sell
this simple little option. I have to say that I am impressed with your web
page, you have lots of nice stuff on there and seem to be a guy that is
somewhat intelligent, but this is not one of your better ideas. There is a
reason you can not buy a Jeep with a bumper hitch option on it. I would
think that the Jeep engineers know what they are doing, and if you want
towing on a Jeep it comes with a separate (mopar) draw hitch attached
directly to the frame rails and not the cross member. These components were
not designed for this application plain and simple....... I am no engineer
but I do work with metal every day, (build poultry processing equipment) and
I have seen what can happen to 3/32" steel when a load is applied, trust me
it does not take much to rip this stuff in half. I wish you luck with it
and I hope that no one ever gets hurt from what I think is a bad idea. If
you would like I would be glad to sell you my 1 1/4" receiver hitch (mopar
1000lbs on 4 cylinder, 2000lbs on 6 with a max tongue of 200lbs) after I
have finished my bumper that I am currently in the process of making.......
I would let you have it for a very reasonable price if it means that you
would take that thing off and never let it see the light of day again.......
Tom
"Richard J Kinch" <kinch@truetex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns975867009C43someconundrum@216.196.97.131.. .
> cantrelm writes:
>
> > Richard, in your article you make a point of saying "I used Grade 5
> > bolts since ungraded hardware is not suitable for load-bearing
> > applications. " You do realize that the bumper you are attaching to is
> > only 3/32" thick and is not rated for load bearing applications.......
> > This is somewhat of a contradiction don't you think?
>
> The bumper is suitable for load-bearing, for a suitable load.
>
> One problem I understand with ungraded bolts sized about 1/2 inch or
> smaller is that hand-tightening torque can stress the shaft close to the
> working limit, leaving not enough strength for the applied load. This is
> not an issue for the bumper itself.
If the bumper were suitable for load-bearing then why does Jeep not sell
this simple little option. I have to say that I am impressed with your web
page, you have lots of nice stuff on there and seem to be a guy that is
somewhat intelligent, but this is not one of your better ideas. There is a
reason you can not buy a Jeep with a bumper hitch option on it. I would
think that the Jeep engineers know what they are doing, and if you want
towing on a Jeep it comes with a separate (mopar) draw hitch attached
directly to the frame rails and not the cross member. These components were
not designed for this application plain and simple....... I am no engineer
but I do work with metal every day, (build poultry processing equipment) and
I have seen what can happen to 3/32" steel when a load is applied, trust me
it does not take much to rip this stuff in half. I wish you luck with it
and I hope that no one ever gets hurt from what I think is a bad idea. If
you would like I would be glad to sell you my 1 1/4" receiver hitch (mopar
1000lbs on 4 cylinder, 2000lbs on 6 with a max tongue of 200lbs) after I
have finished my bumper that I am currently in the process of making.......
I would let you have it for a very reasonable price if it means that you
would take that thing off and never let it see the light of day again.......
Tom
"Richard J Kinch" <kinch@truetex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns975867009C43someconundrum@216.196.97.131.. .
> cantrelm writes:
>
> > Richard, in your article you make a point of saying "I used Grade 5
> > bolts since ungraded hardware is not suitable for load-bearing
> > applications. " You do realize that the bumper you are attaching to is
> > only 3/32" thick and is not rated for load bearing applications.......
> > This is somewhat of a contradiction don't you think?
>
> The bumper is suitable for load-bearing, for a suitable load.
>
> One problem I understand with ungraded bolts sized about 1/2 inch or
> smaller is that hand-tightening torque can stress the shaft close to the
> working limit, leaving not enough strength for the applied load. This is
> not an issue for the bumper itself.
#114
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Re: Bumper-mounted trailer hitch bracket for Jeep Wrangler TJ
Richard,
If the bumper were suitable for load-bearing then why does Jeep not sell
this simple little option. I have to say that I am impressed with your web
page, you have lots of nice stuff on there and seem to be a guy that is
somewhat intelligent, but this is not one of your better ideas. There is a
reason you can not buy a Jeep with a bumper hitch option on it. I would
think that the Jeep engineers know what they are doing, and if you want
towing on a Jeep it comes with a separate (mopar) draw hitch attached
directly to the frame rails and not the cross member. These components were
not designed for this application plain and simple....... I am no engineer
but I do work with metal every day, (build poultry processing equipment) and
I have seen what can happen to 3/32" steel when a load is applied, trust me
it does not take much to rip this stuff in half. I wish you luck with it
and I hope that no one ever gets hurt from what I think is a bad idea. If
you would like I would be glad to sell you my 1 1/4" receiver hitch (mopar
1000lbs on 4 cylinder, 2000lbs on 6 with a max tongue of 200lbs) after I
have finished my bumper that I am currently in the process of making.......
I would let you have it for a very reasonable price if it means that you
would take that thing off and never let it see the light of day again.......
Tom
"Richard J Kinch" <kinch@truetex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns975867009C43someconundrum@216.196.97.131.. .
> cantrelm writes:
>
> > Richard, in your article you make a point of saying "I used Grade 5
> > bolts since ungraded hardware is not suitable for load-bearing
> > applications. " You do realize that the bumper you are attaching to is
> > only 3/32" thick and is not rated for load bearing applications.......
> > This is somewhat of a contradiction don't you think?
>
> The bumper is suitable for load-bearing, for a suitable load.
>
> One problem I understand with ungraded bolts sized about 1/2 inch or
> smaller is that hand-tightening torque can stress the shaft close to the
> working limit, leaving not enough strength for the applied load. This is
> not an issue for the bumper itself.
If the bumper were suitable for load-bearing then why does Jeep not sell
this simple little option. I have to say that I am impressed with your web
page, you have lots of nice stuff on there and seem to be a guy that is
somewhat intelligent, but this is not one of your better ideas. There is a
reason you can not buy a Jeep with a bumper hitch option on it. I would
think that the Jeep engineers know what they are doing, and if you want
towing on a Jeep it comes with a separate (mopar) draw hitch attached
directly to the frame rails and not the cross member. These components were
not designed for this application plain and simple....... I am no engineer
but I do work with metal every day, (build poultry processing equipment) and
I have seen what can happen to 3/32" steel when a load is applied, trust me
it does not take much to rip this stuff in half. I wish you luck with it
and I hope that no one ever gets hurt from what I think is a bad idea. If
you would like I would be glad to sell you my 1 1/4" receiver hitch (mopar
1000lbs on 4 cylinder, 2000lbs on 6 with a max tongue of 200lbs) after I
have finished my bumper that I am currently in the process of making.......
I would let you have it for a very reasonable price if it means that you
would take that thing off and never let it see the light of day again.......
Tom
"Richard J Kinch" <kinch@truetex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns975867009C43someconundrum@216.196.97.131.. .
> cantrelm writes:
>
> > Richard, in your article you make a point of saying "I used Grade 5
> > bolts since ungraded hardware is not suitable for load-bearing
> > applications. " You do realize that the bumper you are attaching to is
> > only 3/32" thick and is not rated for load bearing applications.......
> > This is somewhat of a contradiction don't you think?
>
> The bumper is suitable for load-bearing, for a suitable load.
>
> One problem I understand with ungraded bolts sized about 1/2 inch or
> smaller is that hand-tightening torque can stress the shaft close to the
> working limit, leaving not enough strength for the applied load. This is
> not an issue for the bumper itself.
#115
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Re: Bumper-mounted trailer hitch bracket for Jeep Wrangler TJ
Richard,
If the bumper were suitable for load-bearing then why does Jeep not sell
this simple little option. I have to say that I am impressed with your web
page, you have lots of nice stuff on there and seem to be a guy that is
somewhat intelligent, but this is not one of your better ideas. There is a
reason you can not buy a Jeep with a bumper hitch option on it. I would
think that the Jeep engineers know what they are doing, and if you want
towing on a Jeep it comes with a separate (mopar) draw hitch attached
directly to the frame rails and not the cross member. These components were
not designed for this application plain and simple....... I am no engineer
but I do work with metal every day, (build poultry processing equipment) and
I have seen what can happen to 3/32" steel when a load is applied, trust me
it does not take much to rip this stuff in half. I wish you luck with it
and I hope that no one ever gets hurt from what I think is a bad idea. If
you would like I would be glad to sell you my 1 1/4" receiver hitch (mopar
1000lbs on 4 cylinder, 2000lbs on 6 with a max tongue of 200lbs) after I
have finished my bumper that I am currently in the process of making.......
I would let you have it for a very reasonable price if it means that you
would take that thing off and never let it see the light of day again.......
Tom
"Richard J Kinch" <kinch@truetex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns975867009C43someconundrum@216.196.97.131.. .
> cantrelm writes:
>
> > Richard, in your article you make a point of saying "I used Grade 5
> > bolts since ungraded hardware is not suitable for load-bearing
> > applications. " You do realize that the bumper you are attaching to is
> > only 3/32" thick and is not rated for load bearing applications.......
> > This is somewhat of a contradiction don't you think?
>
> The bumper is suitable for load-bearing, for a suitable load.
>
> One problem I understand with ungraded bolts sized about 1/2 inch or
> smaller is that hand-tightening torque can stress the shaft close to the
> working limit, leaving not enough strength for the applied load. This is
> not an issue for the bumper itself.
If the bumper were suitable for load-bearing then why does Jeep not sell
this simple little option. I have to say that I am impressed with your web
page, you have lots of nice stuff on there and seem to be a guy that is
somewhat intelligent, but this is not one of your better ideas. There is a
reason you can not buy a Jeep with a bumper hitch option on it. I would
think that the Jeep engineers know what they are doing, and if you want
towing on a Jeep it comes with a separate (mopar) draw hitch attached
directly to the frame rails and not the cross member. These components were
not designed for this application plain and simple....... I am no engineer
but I do work with metal every day, (build poultry processing equipment) and
I have seen what can happen to 3/32" steel when a load is applied, trust me
it does not take much to rip this stuff in half. I wish you luck with it
and I hope that no one ever gets hurt from what I think is a bad idea. If
you would like I would be glad to sell you my 1 1/4" receiver hitch (mopar
1000lbs on 4 cylinder, 2000lbs on 6 with a max tongue of 200lbs) after I
have finished my bumper that I am currently in the process of making.......
I would let you have it for a very reasonable price if it means that you
would take that thing off and never let it see the light of day again.......
Tom
"Richard J Kinch" <kinch@truetex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns975867009C43someconundrum@216.196.97.131.. .
> cantrelm writes:
>
> > Richard, in your article you make a point of saying "I used Grade 5
> > bolts since ungraded hardware is not suitable for load-bearing
> > applications. " You do realize that the bumper you are attaching to is
> > only 3/32" thick and is not rated for load bearing applications.......
> > This is somewhat of a contradiction don't you think?
>
> The bumper is suitable for load-bearing, for a suitable load.
>
> One problem I understand with ungraded bolts sized about 1/2 inch or
> smaller is that hand-tightening torque can stress the shaft close to the
> working limit, leaving not enough strength for the applied load. This is
> not an issue for the bumper itself.
#116
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Re: Bumper-mounted trailer hitch bracket for Jeep Wrangler TJ
Andrew VK3BFA writes:
> could I
> humbly suggest that a sticker saying "max towing weight 1,000lbs" be
> put on the thing?
If it ever came down to a situation where someone would read it, and heed
it, then I might do something like that. For my personal use, why bother.
(On the other hand, I've never had much use for that steel punch stamping
kit, maybe I'll stamp it on there for that Canadian trip someday, heh heh.)
This whole culture of Jeep hitches has me baffled. People insist on
putting class III hitches on a short-wheelbase soft-top vehicle that
dubiously purports even a minimal 2000 lb capacity. The guys who also have
the jacked-up suspensions, cheating death with their unstable aftermarket
mods, are the extreme version of this.
THere is a kind of "impedance matching" optimization to this type of
design, and I believe I've approximated it for the intended application.
> could I
> humbly suggest that a sticker saying "max towing weight 1,000lbs" be
> put on the thing?
If it ever came down to a situation where someone would read it, and heed
it, then I might do something like that. For my personal use, why bother.
(On the other hand, I've never had much use for that steel punch stamping
kit, maybe I'll stamp it on there for that Canadian trip someday, heh heh.)
This whole culture of Jeep hitches has me baffled. People insist on
putting class III hitches on a short-wheelbase soft-top vehicle that
dubiously purports even a minimal 2000 lb capacity. The guys who also have
the jacked-up suspensions, cheating death with their unstable aftermarket
mods, are the extreme version of this.
THere is a kind of "impedance matching" optimization to this type of
design, and I believe I've approximated it for the intended application.
#117
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Re: Bumper-mounted trailer hitch bracket for Jeep Wrangler TJ
Andrew VK3BFA writes:
> could I
> humbly suggest that a sticker saying "max towing weight 1,000lbs" be
> put on the thing?
If it ever came down to a situation where someone would read it, and heed
it, then I might do something like that. For my personal use, why bother.
(On the other hand, I've never had much use for that steel punch stamping
kit, maybe I'll stamp it on there for that Canadian trip someday, heh heh.)
This whole culture of Jeep hitches has me baffled. People insist on
putting class III hitches on a short-wheelbase soft-top vehicle that
dubiously purports even a minimal 2000 lb capacity. The guys who also have
the jacked-up suspensions, cheating death with their unstable aftermarket
mods, are the extreme version of this.
THere is a kind of "impedance matching" optimization to this type of
design, and I believe I've approximated it for the intended application.
> could I
> humbly suggest that a sticker saying "max towing weight 1,000lbs" be
> put on the thing?
If it ever came down to a situation where someone would read it, and heed
it, then I might do something like that. For my personal use, why bother.
(On the other hand, I've never had much use for that steel punch stamping
kit, maybe I'll stamp it on there for that Canadian trip someday, heh heh.)
This whole culture of Jeep hitches has me baffled. People insist on
putting class III hitches on a short-wheelbase soft-top vehicle that
dubiously purports even a minimal 2000 lb capacity. The guys who also have
the jacked-up suspensions, cheating death with their unstable aftermarket
mods, are the extreme version of this.
THere is a kind of "impedance matching" optimization to this type of
design, and I believe I've approximated it for the intended application.
#118
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Re: Bumper-mounted trailer hitch bracket for Jeep Wrangler TJ
Andrew VK3BFA writes:
> could I
> humbly suggest that a sticker saying "max towing weight 1,000lbs" be
> put on the thing?
If it ever came down to a situation where someone would read it, and heed
it, then I might do something like that. For my personal use, why bother.
(On the other hand, I've never had much use for that steel punch stamping
kit, maybe I'll stamp it on there for that Canadian trip someday, heh heh.)
This whole culture of Jeep hitches has me baffled. People insist on
putting class III hitches on a short-wheelbase soft-top vehicle that
dubiously purports even a minimal 2000 lb capacity. The guys who also have
the jacked-up suspensions, cheating death with their unstable aftermarket
mods, are the extreme version of this.
THere is a kind of "impedance matching" optimization to this type of
design, and I believe I've approximated it for the intended application.
> could I
> humbly suggest that a sticker saying "max towing weight 1,000lbs" be
> put on the thing?
If it ever came down to a situation where someone would read it, and heed
it, then I might do something like that. For my personal use, why bother.
(On the other hand, I've never had much use for that steel punch stamping
kit, maybe I'll stamp it on there for that Canadian trip someday, heh heh.)
This whole culture of Jeep hitches has me baffled. People insist on
putting class III hitches on a short-wheelbase soft-top vehicle that
dubiously purports even a minimal 2000 lb capacity. The guys who also have
the jacked-up suspensions, cheating death with their unstable aftermarket
mods, are the extreme version of this.
THere is a kind of "impedance matching" optimization to this type of
design, and I believe I've approximated it for the intended application.
#119
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Re: Bumper-mounted trailer hitch bracket for Jeep Wrangler TJ
cantrelm writes:
> If the bumper were suitable for load-bearing then why does Jeep not sell
> this simple little option.
Not probative. I recall they didn't sell any kind of hitch option for a
long time; it was all unendorsed aftermarket stuff.
Last I checked, U-Haul won't even rent you a trailer for a Jeep, no matter
what hitch you have.
Trailering on a Jeep is a problematic compromise (when it is not a
religious absolute in some minds).
> If the bumper were suitable for load-bearing then why does Jeep not sell
> this simple little option.
Not probative. I recall they didn't sell any kind of hitch option for a
long time; it was all unendorsed aftermarket stuff.
Last I checked, U-Haul won't even rent you a trailer for a Jeep, no matter
what hitch you have.
Trailering on a Jeep is a problematic compromise (when it is not a
religious absolute in some minds).
#120
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Re: Bumper-mounted trailer hitch bracket for Jeep Wrangler TJ
cantrelm writes:
> If the bumper were suitable for load-bearing then why does Jeep not sell
> this simple little option.
Not probative. I recall they didn't sell any kind of hitch option for a
long time; it was all unendorsed aftermarket stuff.
Last I checked, U-Haul won't even rent you a trailer for a Jeep, no matter
what hitch you have.
Trailering on a Jeep is a problematic compromise (when it is not a
religious absolute in some minds).
> If the bumper were suitable for load-bearing then why does Jeep not sell
> this simple little option.
Not probative. I recall they didn't sell any kind of hitch option for a
long time; it was all unendorsed aftermarket stuff.
Last I checked, U-Haul won't even rent you a trailer for a Jeep, no matter
what hitch you have.
Trailering on a Jeep is a problematic compromise (when it is not a
religious absolute in some minds).