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Re: BULLFROG CLUTCH
On Jul 26, 10:17 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Tracie wrote: > > On Jul 26, 8:23 am, Tracie <brain...@upstate.edu> wrote: > >> On Jul 25, 7:16 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote: > > >>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>> UPDATE: I have discovered that the master/slave cylinders were NOT > >>>> included in the clutch kit; hence they were not replaced. > >>> That fits with the symptoms. > >>> Your noise description still points to the pedal shaft on the MC binding > >>> up. The popping can even be the 'jam' letting go and releasing the shaft. > >>> Mike > >>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > >>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... > >>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > >>> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 > >>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > >> THANKS for all of the helpful information. So, if I am understanding > >> everything correctly, the master cylinder AND slave cylinder needs to > >> be replaced and the throwout bearing needs to be lubed. Now, what > >> about the parts that they have just been replaced? (clutch actuator, > >> release bearing, hydraulics, and clutch kit) Do they all need to be > >> replaced again as well? Am I missing anything else that needs to be > >> replaced or should at least be looked at? I just want to know so that > >> I know what to tell the dealer when I take it back in for service.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > Mike -- > > > Is the clutch pedal shaft and linkage the same thing or have anything > > to do with the clutch push rods? I did find a TSB out for my year and > > make jeep for these parts; however, my jeep was not manufactured > > during the 'specified' time frame. Of course, that's not to say they > > didn't miss something or didn't quite fix the problem prior to > > manufacturing mine. > > Yes! That 'push rod' and it's sliding switch is the part I think is > bad! Either it is physically bad or the MC it pushes on is physically bad. > > If that is the bad part, then for sure it has damaged the new clutch kit. > > Mike- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - I thought maybe. THANKS!! I will keep you updated on exactly what the problem was when I take it in to the dealer for a look-see. I'm sure you're right....from all the posts I have read in the past you usually are. :D |
Re: BULLFROG CLUTCH
On Jul 26, 10:17 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Tracie wrote: > > On Jul 26, 8:23 am, Tracie <brain...@upstate.edu> wrote: > >> On Jul 25, 7:16 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote: > > >>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>> UPDATE: I have discovered that the master/slave cylinders were NOT > >>>> included in the clutch kit; hence they were not replaced. > >>> That fits with the symptoms. > >>> Your noise description still points to the pedal shaft on the MC binding > >>> up. The popping can even be the 'jam' letting go and releasing the shaft. > >>> Mike > >>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > >>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... > >>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > >>> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 > >>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > >> THANKS for all of the helpful information. So, if I am understanding > >> everything correctly, the master cylinder AND slave cylinder needs to > >> be replaced and the throwout bearing needs to be lubed. Now, what > >> about the parts that they have just been replaced? (clutch actuator, > >> release bearing, hydraulics, and clutch kit) Do they all need to be > >> replaced again as well? Am I missing anything else that needs to be > >> replaced or should at least be looked at? I just want to know so that > >> I know what to tell the dealer when I take it back in for service.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > Mike -- > > > Is the clutch pedal shaft and linkage the same thing or have anything > > to do with the clutch push rods? I did find a TSB out for my year and > > make jeep for these parts; however, my jeep was not manufactured > > during the 'specified' time frame. Of course, that's not to say they > > didn't miss something or didn't quite fix the problem prior to > > manufacturing mine. > > Yes! That 'push rod' and it's sliding switch is the part I think is > bad! Either it is physically bad or the MC it pushes on is physically bad. > > If that is the bad part, then for sure it has damaged the new clutch kit. > > Mike- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - I thought maybe. THANKS!! I will keep you updated on exactly what the problem was when I take it in to the dealer for a look-see. I'm sure you're right....from all the posts I have read in the past you usually are. :D |
Re: BULLFROG CLUTCH
On Jul 26, 10:17 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Tracie wrote: > > On Jul 26, 8:23 am, Tracie <brain...@upstate.edu> wrote: > >> On Jul 25, 7:16 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote: > > >>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>> UPDATE: I have discovered that the master/slave cylinders were NOT > >>>> included in the clutch kit; hence they were not replaced. > >>> That fits with the symptoms. > >>> Your noise description still points to the pedal shaft on the MC binding > >>> up. The popping can even be the 'jam' letting go and releasing the shaft. > >>> Mike > >>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > >>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... > >>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > >>> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 > >>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > >> THANKS for all of the helpful information. So, if I am understanding > >> everything correctly, the master cylinder AND slave cylinder needs to > >> be replaced and the throwout bearing needs to be lubed. Now, what > >> about the parts that they have just been replaced? (clutch actuator, > >> release bearing, hydraulics, and clutch kit) Do they all need to be > >> replaced again as well? Am I missing anything else that needs to be > >> replaced or should at least be looked at? I just want to know so that > >> I know what to tell the dealer when I take it back in for service.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > Mike -- > > > Is the clutch pedal shaft and linkage the same thing or have anything > > to do with the clutch push rods? I did find a TSB out for my year and > > make jeep for these parts; however, my jeep was not manufactured > > during the 'specified' time frame. Of course, that's not to say they > > didn't miss something or didn't quite fix the problem prior to > > manufacturing mine. > > Yes! That 'push rod' and it's sliding switch is the part I think is > bad! Either it is physically bad or the MC it pushes on is physically bad. > > If that is the bad part, then for sure it has damaged the new clutch kit. > > Mike- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - I thought maybe. THANKS!! I will keep you updated on exactly what the problem was when I take it in to the dealer for a look-see. I'm sure you're right....from all the posts I have read in the past you usually are. :D |
Re: BULLFROG CLUTCH
On Jul 26, 11:03 am, Tracie <brain...@upstate.edu> wrote:
> On Jul 26, 10:17 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote: > > > > > > > Tracie wrote: > > > On Jul 26, 8:23 am, Tracie <brain...@upstate.edu> wrote: > > >> On Jul 25, 7:16 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote: > > > >>>>> - Show quoted text - > > >>>> UPDATE: I have discovered that the master/slave cylinders were NOT > > >>>> included in the clutch kit; hence they were not replaced. > > >>> That fits with the symptoms. > > >>> Your noise description still points to the pedal shaft on the MC binding > > >>> up. The popping can even be the 'jam' letting go and releasing the shaft. > > >>> Mike > > >>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > >>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... > > >>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > >>> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 > > >>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > >> THANKS for all of the helpful information. So, if I am understanding > > >> everything correctly, the master cylinder AND slave cylinder needs to > > >> be replaced and the throwout bearing needs to be lubed. Now, what > > >> about the parts that they have just been replaced? (clutch actuator, > > >> release bearing, hydraulics, and clutch kit) Do they all need to be > > >> replaced again as well? Am I missing anything else that needs to be > > >> replaced or should at least be looked at? I just want to know so that > > >> I know what to tell the dealer when I take it back in for service.- Hide quoted text - > > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > Mike -- > > > > Is the clutch pedal shaft and linkage the same thing or have anything > > > to do with the clutch push rods? I did find a TSB out for my year and > > > make jeep for these parts; however, my jeep was not manufactured > > > during the 'specified' time frame. Of course, that's not to say they > > > didn't miss something or didn't quite fix the problem prior to > > > manufacturing mine. > > > Yes! That 'push rod' and it's sliding switch is the part I think is > > bad! Either it is physically bad or the MC it pushes on is physically bad. > > > If that is the bad part, then for sure it has damaged the new clutch kit. > > > Mike- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > I thought maybe. THANKS!! > > I will keep you updated on exactly what the problem was when I take it > in to the dealer for a look-see. I'm sure you're right....from all > the posts I have read in the past you usually are. :D- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - OK....just to sum everything up -- if the 'push rods' and its sliding switch are bad and/or if the MC is bad, then those parts will need to be replaced AND the new parts that were just replaced (clutch actuator, hydraulics, release bearing, and clutch/pressure plate kit) will ALL need to be replaced again. Just for good measure, the throwout bearing should be greased as well. Am I missing anything? Do you think the slave cylinder would need to be replaced as well, or just the MC? |
Re: BULLFROG CLUTCH
On Jul 26, 11:03 am, Tracie <brain...@upstate.edu> wrote:
> On Jul 26, 10:17 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote: > > > > > > > Tracie wrote: > > > On Jul 26, 8:23 am, Tracie <brain...@upstate.edu> wrote: > > >> On Jul 25, 7:16 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote: > > > >>>>> - Show quoted text - > > >>>> UPDATE: I have discovered that the master/slave cylinders were NOT > > >>>> included in the clutch kit; hence they were not replaced. > > >>> That fits with the symptoms. > > >>> Your noise description still points to the pedal shaft on the MC binding > > >>> up. The popping can even be the 'jam' letting go and releasing the shaft. > > >>> Mike > > >>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > >>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... > > >>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > >>> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 > > >>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > >> THANKS for all of the helpful information. So, if I am understanding > > >> everything correctly, the master cylinder AND slave cylinder needs to > > >> be replaced and the throwout bearing needs to be lubed. Now, what > > >> about the parts that they have just been replaced? (clutch actuator, > > >> release bearing, hydraulics, and clutch kit) Do they all need to be > > >> replaced again as well? Am I missing anything else that needs to be > > >> replaced or should at least be looked at? I just want to know so that > > >> I know what to tell the dealer when I take it back in for service.- Hide quoted text - > > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > Mike -- > > > > Is the clutch pedal shaft and linkage the same thing or have anything > > > to do with the clutch push rods? I did find a TSB out for my year and > > > make jeep for these parts; however, my jeep was not manufactured > > > during the 'specified' time frame. Of course, that's not to say they > > > didn't miss something or didn't quite fix the problem prior to > > > manufacturing mine. > > > Yes! That 'push rod' and it's sliding switch is the part I think is > > bad! Either it is physically bad or the MC it pushes on is physically bad. > > > If that is the bad part, then for sure it has damaged the new clutch kit. > > > Mike- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > I thought maybe. THANKS!! > > I will keep you updated on exactly what the problem was when I take it > in to the dealer for a look-see. I'm sure you're right....from all > the posts I have read in the past you usually are. :D- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - OK....just to sum everything up -- if the 'push rods' and its sliding switch are bad and/or if the MC is bad, then those parts will need to be replaced AND the new parts that were just replaced (clutch actuator, hydraulics, release bearing, and clutch/pressure plate kit) will ALL need to be replaced again. Just for good measure, the throwout bearing should be greased as well. Am I missing anything? Do you think the slave cylinder would need to be replaced as well, or just the MC? |
Re: BULLFROG CLUTCH
On Jul 26, 11:03 am, Tracie <brain...@upstate.edu> wrote:
> On Jul 26, 10:17 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote: > > > > > > > Tracie wrote: > > > On Jul 26, 8:23 am, Tracie <brain...@upstate.edu> wrote: > > >> On Jul 25, 7:16 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote: > > > >>>>> - Show quoted text - > > >>>> UPDATE: I have discovered that the master/slave cylinders were NOT > > >>>> included in the clutch kit; hence they were not replaced. > > >>> That fits with the symptoms. > > >>> Your noise description still points to the pedal shaft on the MC binding > > >>> up. The popping can even be the 'jam' letting go and releasing the shaft. > > >>> Mike > > >>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > >>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... > > >>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > >>> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 > > >>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > >> THANKS for all of the helpful information. So, if I am understanding > > >> everything correctly, the master cylinder AND slave cylinder needs to > > >> be replaced and the throwout bearing needs to be lubed. Now, what > > >> about the parts that they have just been replaced? (clutch actuator, > > >> release bearing, hydraulics, and clutch kit) Do they all need to be > > >> replaced again as well? Am I missing anything else that needs to be > > >> replaced or should at least be looked at? I just want to know so that > > >> I know what to tell the dealer when I take it back in for service.- Hide quoted text - > > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > Mike -- > > > > Is the clutch pedal shaft and linkage the same thing or have anything > > > to do with the clutch push rods? I did find a TSB out for my year and > > > make jeep for these parts; however, my jeep was not manufactured > > > during the 'specified' time frame. Of course, that's not to say they > > > didn't miss something or didn't quite fix the problem prior to > > > manufacturing mine. > > > Yes! That 'push rod' and it's sliding switch is the part I think is > > bad! Either it is physically bad or the MC it pushes on is physically bad. > > > If that is the bad part, then for sure it has damaged the new clutch kit. > > > Mike- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > I thought maybe. THANKS!! > > I will keep you updated on exactly what the problem was when I take it > in to the dealer for a look-see. I'm sure you're right....from all > the posts I have read in the past you usually are. :D- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - OK....just to sum everything up -- if the 'push rods' and its sliding switch are bad and/or if the MC is bad, then those parts will need to be replaced AND the new parts that were just replaced (clutch actuator, hydraulics, release bearing, and clutch/pressure plate kit) will ALL need to be replaced again. Just for good measure, the throwout bearing should be greased as well. Am I missing anything? Do you think the slave cylinder would need to be replaced as well, or just the MC? |
Re: BULLFROG CLUTCH
On Jul 26, 11:03 am, Tracie <brain...@upstate.edu> wrote:
> On Jul 26, 10:17 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote: > > > > > > > Tracie wrote: > > > On Jul 26, 8:23 am, Tracie <brain...@upstate.edu> wrote: > > >> On Jul 25, 7:16 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote: > > > >>>>> - Show quoted text - > > >>>> UPDATE: I have discovered that the master/slave cylinders were NOT > > >>>> included in the clutch kit; hence they were not replaced. > > >>> That fits with the symptoms. > > >>> Your noise description still points to the pedal shaft on the MC binding > > >>> up. The popping can even be the 'jam' letting go and releasing the shaft. > > >>> Mike > > >>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > >>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... > > >>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > >>> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 > > >>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > >> THANKS for all of the helpful information. So, if I am understanding > > >> everything correctly, the master cylinder AND slave cylinder needs to > > >> be replaced and the throwout bearing needs to be lubed. Now, what > > >> about the parts that they have just been replaced? (clutch actuator, > > >> release bearing, hydraulics, and clutch kit) Do they all need to be > > >> replaced again as well? Am I missing anything else that needs to be > > >> replaced or should at least be looked at? I just want to know so that > > >> I know what to tell the dealer when I take it back in for service.- Hide quoted text - > > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > Mike -- > > > > Is the clutch pedal shaft and linkage the same thing or have anything > > > to do with the clutch push rods? I did find a TSB out for my year and > > > make jeep for these parts; however, my jeep was not manufactured > > > during the 'specified' time frame. Of course, that's not to say they > > > didn't miss something or didn't quite fix the problem prior to > > > manufacturing mine. > > > Yes! That 'push rod' and it's sliding switch is the part I think is > > bad! Either it is physically bad or the MC it pushes on is physically bad. > > > If that is the bad part, then for sure it has damaged the new clutch kit. > > > Mike- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > I thought maybe. THANKS!! > > I will keep you updated on exactly what the problem was when I take it > in to the dealer for a look-see. I'm sure you're right....from all > the posts I have read in the past you usually are. :D- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - OK....just to sum everything up -- if the 'push rods' and its sliding switch are bad and/or if the MC is bad, then those parts will need to be replaced AND the new parts that were just replaced (clutch actuator, hydraulics, release bearing, and clutch/pressure plate kit) will ALL need to be replaced again. Just for good measure, the throwout bearing should be greased as well. Am I missing anything? Do you think the slave cylinder would need to be replaced as well, or just the MC? |
Re: BULLFROG CLUTCH
Tracie wrote:
>>>> Mike -- >>>> Is the clutch pedal shaft and linkage the same thing or have anything >>>> to do with the clutch push rods? I did find a TSB out for my year and >>>> make jeep for these parts; however, my jeep was not manufactured >>>> during the 'specified' time frame. Of course, that's not to say they >>>> didn't miss something or didn't quite fix the problem prior to >>>> manufacturing mine. >>> Yes! That 'push rod' and it's sliding switch is the part I think is >>> bad! Either it is physically bad or the MC it pushes on is physically bad. >>> If that is the bad part, then for sure it has damaged the new clutch kit. >>> Mike- Hide quoted text - >>> - Show quoted text - >> I thought maybe. THANKS!! >> >> I will keep you updated on exactly what the problem was when I take it >> in to the dealer for a look-see. I'm sure you're right....from all >> the posts I have read in the past you usually are. :D- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > OK....just to sum everything up -- if the 'push rods' and its sliding > switch are bad and/or if the MC is bad, then those parts will need to > be replaced AND the new parts that were just replaced (clutch > actuator, hydraulics, release bearing, and clutch/pressure plate kit) > will ALL need to be replaced again. Just for good measure, the > throwout bearing should be greased as well. Am I missing anything? > Do you think the slave cylinder would need to be replaced as well, or > just the MC? > The throw out bearing is not greaseable, it is a sealed bearing these days I believe. If the MC and the rod were the problem all along, then I would suspect overheating and/or wear damage to the throw out bearing and the clutch pressure plate just like last time. I do not see the need for a new slave. Mike |
Re: BULLFROG CLUTCH
Tracie wrote:
>>>> Mike -- >>>> Is the clutch pedal shaft and linkage the same thing or have anything >>>> to do with the clutch push rods? I did find a TSB out for my year and >>>> make jeep for these parts; however, my jeep was not manufactured >>>> during the 'specified' time frame. Of course, that's not to say they >>>> didn't miss something or didn't quite fix the problem prior to >>>> manufacturing mine. >>> Yes! That 'push rod' and it's sliding switch is the part I think is >>> bad! Either it is physically bad or the MC it pushes on is physically bad. >>> If that is the bad part, then for sure it has damaged the new clutch kit. >>> Mike- Hide quoted text - >>> - Show quoted text - >> I thought maybe. THANKS!! >> >> I will keep you updated on exactly what the problem was when I take it >> in to the dealer for a look-see. I'm sure you're right....from all >> the posts I have read in the past you usually are. :D- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > OK....just to sum everything up -- if the 'push rods' and its sliding > switch are bad and/or if the MC is bad, then those parts will need to > be replaced AND the new parts that were just replaced (clutch > actuator, hydraulics, release bearing, and clutch/pressure plate kit) > will ALL need to be replaced again. Just for good measure, the > throwout bearing should be greased as well. Am I missing anything? > Do you think the slave cylinder would need to be replaced as well, or > just the MC? > The throw out bearing is not greaseable, it is a sealed bearing these days I believe. If the MC and the rod were the problem all along, then I would suspect overheating and/or wear damage to the throw out bearing and the clutch pressure plate just like last time. I do not see the need for a new slave. Mike |
Re: BULLFROG CLUTCH
Tracie wrote:
>>>> Mike -- >>>> Is the clutch pedal shaft and linkage the same thing or have anything >>>> to do with the clutch push rods? I did find a TSB out for my year and >>>> make jeep for these parts; however, my jeep was not manufactured >>>> during the 'specified' time frame. Of course, that's not to say they >>>> didn't miss something or didn't quite fix the problem prior to >>>> manufacturing mine. >>> Yes! That 'push rod' and it's sliding switch is the part I think is >>> bad! Either it is physically bad or the MC it pushes on is physically bad. >>> If that is the bad part, then for sure it has damaged the new clutch kit. >>> Mike- Hide quoted text - >>> - Show quoted text - >> I thought maybe. THANKS!! >> >> I will keep you updated on exactly what the problem was when I take it >> in to the dealer for a look-see. I'm sure you're right....from all >> the posts I have read in the past you usually are. :D- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > OK....just to sum everything up -- if the 'push rods' and its sliding > switch are bad and/or if the MC is bad, then those parts will need to > be replaced AND the new parts that were just replaced (clutch > actuator, hydraulics, release bearing, and clutch/pressure plate kit) > will ALL need to be replaced again. Just for good measure, the > throwout bearing should be greased as well. Am I missing anything? > Do you think the slave cylinder would need to be replaced as well, or > just the MC? > The throw out bearing is not greaseable, it is a sealed bearing these days I believe. If the MC and the rod were the problem all along, then I would suspect overheating and/or wear damage to the throw out bearing and the clutch pressure plate just like last time. I do not see the need for a new slave. Mike |
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