Re: ARB Rear Bumper/Tyre Carrier - Jeep Wrangler
 

The idea is that a different front bumper will change how the crumple zone
works and how much of the shock transfers through the chasis. I know the
trigger is not near the bumper. The other reason is that I may end up
designing a bumper with sharp protrusions, which when in an accident will do
serious damage to the other car or pedastrians. Its a stupid law /
regulations, but if I want to keep it street legal, I have to comply with
it.

ARB being Australian, is cheaper here than US. Almost everybody ends up
with an ARB front bumper (regardless of make of truck).

I might do some research on what happens when people change the steering and
get rid of the air bag. It may be a way to bypass the whole thing. I have
seen a lot of rice burners with Momo steerings and all.

TW


"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:kbednZD6pbWRnLrYnZ2dnUVZ_sydnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
TJ's airbag sensor/trigger is nowhere near the bumper so it's moot in that
application. The TJ uses an intertial sensor located under the dash just
forward of the gearshift.

"TW" <attw@wave.co.nz (delete this)> wrote in message
news:eg6nmo$ias$3@lust.ihug.co.nz...
Here in New Zealand, if you have an airbag then the front bumper has to have
a certificate from the manufacturer (crash test and all) saying the bumper
does not alter the airbag trigger and safety feature. Local engineering
shops are reluctant to produce one because of all the testing involved. ARB
and TJM bars certified, I think so are the Warn bumpers.

Thanks
TW

Re: ARB Rear Bumper/Tyre Carrier - Jeep Wrangler
 

The idea is that a different front bumper will change how the crumple zone
works and how much of the shock transfers through the chasis. I know the
trigger is not near the bumper. The other reason is that I may end up
designing a bumper with sharp protrusions, which when in an accident will do
serious damage to the other car or pedastrians. Its a stupid law /
regulations, but if I want to keep it street legal, I have to comply with
it.

ARB being Australian, is cheaper here than US. Almost everybody ends up
with an ARB front bumper (regardless of make of truck).

I might do some research on what happens when people change the steering and
get rid of the air bag. It may be a way to bypass the whole thing. I have
seen a lot of rice burners with Momo steerings and all.

TW


"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:kbednZD6pbWRnLrYnZ2dnUVZ_sydnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
TJ's airbag sensor/trigger is nowhere near the bumper so it's moot in that
application. The TJ uses an intertial sensor located under the dash just
forward of the gearshift.

"TW" <attw@wave.co.nz (delete this)> wrote in message
news:eg6nmo$ias$3@lust.ihug.co.nz...
Here in New Zealand, if you have an airbag then the front bumper has to have
a certificate from the manufacturer (crash test and all) saying the bumper
does not alter the airbag trigger and safety feature. Local engineering
shops are reluctant to produce one because of all the testing involved. ARB
and TJM bars certified, I think so are the Warn bumpers.

Thanks
TW

Re: ARB Rear Bumper/Tyre Carrier - Jeep Wrangler
 

The idea is that a different front bumper will change how the crumple zone
works and how much of the shock transfers through the chasis. I know the
trigger is not near the bumper. The other reason is that I may end up
designing a bumper with sharp protrusions, which when in an accident will do
serious damage to the other car or pedastrians. Its a stupid law /
regulations, but if I want to keep it street legal, I have to comply with
it.

ARB being Australian, is cheaper here than US. Almost everybody ends up
with an ARB front bumper (regardless of make of truck).

I might do some research on what happens when people change the steering and
get rid of the air bag. It may be a way to bypass the whole thing. I have
seen a lot of rice burners with Momo steerings and all.

TW


"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:kbednZD6pbWRnLrYnZ2dnUVZ_sydnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
TJ's airbag sensor/trigger is nowhere near the bumper so it's moot in that
application. The TJ uses an intertial sensor located under the dash just
forward of the gearshift.

"TW" <attw@wave.co.nz (delete this)> wrote in message
news:eg6nmo$ias$3@lust.ihug.co.nz...
Here in New Zealand, if you have an airbag then the front bumper has to have
a certificate from the manufacturer (crash test and all) saying the bumper
does not alter the airbag trigger and safety feature. Local engineering
shops are reluctant to produce one because of all the testing involved. ARB
and TJM bars certified, I think so are the Warn bumpers.

Thanks
TW

Re: ARB Rear Bumper/Tyre Carrier - Jeep Wrangler
 

I believe here the trailer can be upto 80 percent of the gross weight of the
towing vehicle. So Wrangler would be allowed more than 900kgs. Although I
have no need for such a rating as I don't have a boat or other toys to tow
around.

TW


"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:fe-dnZHHlvbtnLrYnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com...
That exceeds the TJ's towing capacity.
>
>
> I just got off the phone with Garvin and he specifically said you can
> tow 3500 lb gross weight, 300 lb tonque weight. My little boat is
> nowhere near this, more like 600 lbs total and 50 tonque.
>
> Good info on the d-rings.
>

Re: ARB Rear Bumper/Tyre Carrier - Jeep Wrangler
 

I believe here the trailer can be upto 80 percent of the gross weight of the
towing vehicle. So Wrangler would be allowed more than 900kgs. Although I
have no need for such a rating as I don't have a boat or other toys to tow
around.

TW


"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:fe-dnZHHlvbtnLrYnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com...
That exceeds the TJ's towing capacity.
>
>
> I just got off the phone with Garvin and he specifically said you can
> tow 3500 lb gross weight, 300 lb tonque weight. My little boat is
> nowhere near this, more like 600 lbs total and 50 tonque.
>
> Good info on the d-rings.
>

Re: ARB Rear Bumper/Tyre Carrier - Jeep Wrangler
 

I believe here the trailer can be upto 80 percent of the gross weight of the
towing vehicle. So Wrangler would be allowed more than 900kgs. Although I
have no need for such a rating as I don't have a boat or other toys to tow
around.

TW


"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:fe-dnZHHlvbtnLrYnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com...
That exceeds the TJ's towing capacity.
>
>
> I just got off the phone with Garvin and he specifically said you can
> tow 3500 lb gross weight, 300 lb tonque weight. My little boat is
> nowhere near this, more like 600 lbs total and 50 tonque.
>
> Good info on the d-rings.
>

Re: ARB Rear Bumper/Tyre Carrier - Jeep Wrangler
 

Agreed, Dave. It would appear that "how well" is getting in the way
of "how safely" - more of the substitution of perception over
engineering fact.

On Sat, 7 Oct 2006 20:45:23 UTC "Dave Milne"
<jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote:

> I recently towed a 22ft trailer with a 2 ton 1954 Mercedes on it with my
> Wagoneer - absolutely no problems @ 6000lb
> and possibly 1000lb over the rated limit (I don't know if I had the "towing
> package"). So the Wagoneer has the same capacity as ...
> the Liberty ? Not in the real world, methinks.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
>
> "Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-mCRZryMZB5dU@anon.none.net...
> > There is definitely more to it than just the vehicle weight - the
> > Commanche pickup was rated at something like 2000# with a manual
> > tranny and 4.0 L engine, regardless of rear end. The same body with
> > the D44 and manual had the same limit, but substituting an auto tranny
> > brought you up to a 5000# limit. Now, I grant you that the 4.0 with a
> > 3.07 differential ratio behind a manual transmission is not my idea of
> > a fun thing to tow 5000# with but that much of a difference in what it
> > is rated to tow is a bit suspicious. Put it in 4-LO and you could
> > pull your house.
> >
> > On Sat, 7 Oct 2006 08:57:11 UTC "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > The d44 doesn't change the wheelbase. The limit here is 2000# if I
> remember
> > > correctly.
> > >
> > > But there in Europe they tow travel trailers with what we would consider
> > > lawnmower engine powered micro-cars...
> > >
> > > Ya know.... there has to be more to that because the new 4 door
> unlimited is
> > > longer and heavier than my Grand Cherokee but the tow limit is only
> 3500#
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> > > news:45276735.D3815C69@cox.net...
> > > > Hi Dave,
> > > > All export TJs have a Dana 44 rear ends.
> > > > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > >
> > > > Dave Milne wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Not over here :-)
> > > >> [ here it is 4000lb with braked trailer, you have 2000lb with
> unbraked
> > > >> trailer].
> > > >>
> > > >> Dave
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Will Honea
>
>


--
Will Honea

Re: ARB Rear Bumper/Tyre Carrier - Jeep Wrangler
 

Agreed, Dave. It would appear that "how well" is getting in the way
of "how safely" - more of the substitution of perception over
engineering fact.

On Sat, 7 Oct 2006 20:45:23 UTC "Dave Milne"
<jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote:

> I recently towed a 22ft trailer with a 2 ton 1954 Mercedes on it with my
> Wagoneer - absolutely no problems @ 6000lb
> and possibly 1000lb over the rated limit (I don't know if I had the "towing
> package"). So the Wagoneer has the same capacity as ...
> the Liberty ? Not in the real world, methinks.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
>
> "Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-mCRZryMZB5dU@anon.none.net...
> > There is definitely more to it than just the vehicle weight - the
> > Commanche pickup was rated at something like 2000# with a manual
> > tranny and 4.0 L engine, regardless of rear end. The same body with
> > the D44 and manual had the same limit, but substituting an auto tranny
> > brought you up to a 5000# limit. Now, I grant you that the 4.0 with a
> > 3.07 differential ratio behind a manual transmission is not my idea of
> > a fun thing to tow 5000# with but that much of a difference in what it
> > is rated to tow is a bit suspicious. Put it in 4-LO and you could
> > pull your house.
> >
> > On Sat, 7 Oct 2006 08:57:11 UTC "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > The d44 doesn't change the wheelbase. The limit here is 2000# if I
> remember
> > > correctly.
> > >
> > > But there in Europe they tow travel trailers with what we would consider
> > > lawnmower engine powered micro-cars...
> > >
> > > Ya know.... there has to be more to that because the new 4 door
> unlimited is
> > > longer and heavier than my Grand Cherokee but the tow limit is only
> 3500#
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> > > news:45276735.D3815C69@cox.net...
> > > > Hi Dave,
> > > > All export TJs have a Dana 44 rear ends.
> > > > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > >
> > > > Dave Milne wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Not over here :-)
> > > >> [ here it is 4000lb with braked trailer, you have 2000lb with
> unbraked
> > > >> trailer].
> > > >>
> > > >> Dave
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Will Honea
>
>


--
Will Honea

Re: ARB Rear Bumper/Tyre Carrier - Jeep Wrangler
 

Agreed, Dave. It would appear that "how well" is getting in the way
of "how safely" - more of the substitution of perception over
engineering fact.

On Sat, 7 Oct 2006 20:45:23 UTC "Dave Milne"
<jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote:

> I recently towed a 22ft trailer with a 2 ton 1954 Mercedes on it with my
> Wagoneer - absolutely no problems @ 6000lb
> and possibly 1000lb over the rated limit (I don't know if I had the "towing
> package"). So the Wagoneer has the same capacity as ...
> the Liberty ? Not in the real world, methinks.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
>
> "Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-mCRZryMZB5dU@anon.none.net...
> > There is definitely more to it than just the vehicle weight - the
> > Commanche pickup was rated at something like 2000# with a manual
> > tranny and 4.0 L engine, regardless of rear end. The same body with
> > the D44 and manual had the same limit, but substituting an auto tranny
> > brought you up to a 5000# limit. Now, I grant you that the 4.0 with a
> > 3.07 differential ratio behind a manual transmission is not my idea of
> > a fun thing to tow 5000# with but that much of a difference in what it
> > is rated to tow is a bit suspicious. Put it in 4-LO and you could
> > pull your house.
> >
> > On Sat, 7 Oct 2006 08:57:11 UTC "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > The d44 doesn't change the wheelbase. The limit here is 2000# if I
> remember
> > > correctly.
> > >
> > > But there in Europe they tow travel trailers with what we would consider
> > > lawnmower engine powered micro-cars...
> > >
> > > Ya know.... there has to be more to that because the new 4 door
> unlimited is
> > > longer and heavier than my Grand Cherokee but the tow limit is only
> 3500#
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> > > news:45276735.D3815C69@cox.net...
> > > > Hi Dave,
> > > > All export TJs have a Dana 44 rear ends.
> > > > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > >
> > > > Dave Milne wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Not over here :-)
> > > >> [ here it is 4000lb with braked trailer, you have 2000lb with
> unbraked
> > > >> trailer].
> > > >>
> > > >> Dave
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Will Honea
>
>


--
Will Honea

Re: ARB Rear Bumper/Tyre Carrier - Jeep Wrangler
 

That is also true here, but I'm still trying to find out if that is a
recommendation or a legal maximum. However, 4x4s have an exemption from the
recommendation/requirement. So possibly a Ford F350 wouldn't be allowed to
tow very much here !

Dave

"TW" <attw@wave.co.nz (delete this)> wrote in message
news:eg999q$76m$3@lust.ihug.co.nz...
> I believe here the trailer can be upto 80 percent of the gross weight of
the
> towing vehicle. So Wrangler would be allowed more than 900kgs. Although
I
> have no need for such a rating as I don't have a boat or other toys to tow
> around.
>
> TW
>
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:fe-dnZHHlvbtnLrYnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> That exceeds the TJ's towing capacity.
> >
> >
> > I just got off the phone with Garvin and he specifically said you can
> > tow 3500 lb gross weight, 300 lb tonque weight. My little boat is
> > nowhere near this, more like 600 lbs total and 50 tonque.
> >
> > Good info on the d-rings.
> >