ARB Rear Bumper/Tyre Carrier - Jeep Wrangler
 

Hi All,

Has anybody installed one yet? How easy/difficult is it? Any ideas
about performance (strenght).

I need to put my spare tyre on a carrier as the tailgate is starting to
show signs of the weight of a 32" BFG Mud tyre. I can locally get
Warn or ARB, both pretty much priced similarly. I am inclined towards
ARB one as it looks beefier and has corner protection (and more
accessory options). I am in New Zealand, so importing other makes from
the US would be pretty much same price (after taking into account the
freight).

Any feedback would be appreciated.

Thanks
TW
---------
'01 TJ Renegade 4.0L Auto D30/D44
265/75R16 BFG Muds, JKS Quick Discos, OME Lift, 1" MML, 1" BL

Re: ARB Rear Bumper/Tyre Carrier - Jeep Wrangler
 

TW wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Has anybody installed one yet? How easy/difficult is it? Any ideas
> about performance (strenght).
>
> I need to put my spare tyre on a carrier as the tailgate is starting to
> show signs of the weight of a 32" BFG Mud tyre. I can locally get
> Warn or ARB, both pretty much priced similarly. I am inclined towards
> ARB one as it looks beefier and has corner protection (and more
> accessory options). I am in New Zealand, so importing other makes from
> the US would be pretty much same price (after taking into account the
> freight).
>
> Any feedback would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks
> TW
> ---------
> '01 TJ Renegade 4.0L Auto D30/D44
> 265/75R16 BFG Muds, JKS Quick Discos, OME Lift, 1" MML, 1" BL

If you are talking about the real nice arb rear bumper that fits flush.
Real nice, but price was out of this world.

Check out garvins wilderness bumper. Lots of accessories to put on
her. I have the front and rear and love them. Hilift, gas cans,
shovel, ax, etc. Accepts the proprietary garvin rear rack. Plus you
get the 2" receiver, and options to put on 2 big arse d rings for when
it really gets bad.

Re: ARB Rear Bumper/Tyre Carrier - Jeep Wrangler
 

TW wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Has anybody installed one yet? How easy/difficult is it? Any ideas
> about performance (strenght).
>
> I need to put my spare tyre on a carrier as the tailgate is starting to
> show signs of the weight of a 32" BFG Mud tyre. I can locally get
> Warn or ARB, both pretty much priced similarly. I am inclined towards
> ARB one as it looks beefier and has corner protection (and more
> accessory options). I am in New Zealand, so importing other makes from
> the US would be pretty much same price (after taking into account the
> freight).
>
> Any feedback would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks
> TW
> ---------
> '01 TJ Renegade 4.0L Auto D30/D44
> 265/75R16 BFG Muds, JKS Quick Discos, OME Lift, 1" MML, 1" BL

If you are talking about the real nice arb rear bumper that fits flush.
Real nice, but price was out of this world.

Check out garvins wilderness bumper. Lots of accessories to put on
her. I have the front and rear and love them. Hilift, gas cans,
shovel, ax, etc. Accepts the proprietary garvin rear rack. Plus you
get the 2" receiver, and options to put on 2 big arse d rings for when
it really gets bad.

Re: ARB Rear Bumper/Tyre Carrier - Jeep Wrangler
 

TW wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Has anybody installed one yet? How easy/difficult is it? Any ideas
> about performance (strenght).
>
> I need to put my spare tyre on a carrier as the tailgate is starting to
> show signs of the weight of a 32" BFG Mud tyre. I can locally get
> Warn or ARB, both pretty much priced similarly. I am inclined towards
> ARB one as it looks beefier and has corner protection (and more
> accessory options). I am in New Zealand, so importing other makes from
> the US would be pretty much same price (after taking into account the
> freight).
>
> Any feedback would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks
> TW
> ---------
> '01 TJ Renegade 4.0L Auto D30/D44
> 265/75R16 BFG Muds, JKS Quick Discos, OME Lift, 1" MML, 1" BL

If you are talking about the real nice arb rear bumper that fits flush.
Real nice, but price was out of this world.

Check out garvins wilderness bumper. Lots of accessories to put on
her. I have the front and rear and love them. Hilift, gas cans,
shovel, ax, etc. Accepts the proprietary garvin rear rack. Plus you
get the 2" receiver, and options to put on 2 big arse d rings for when
it really gets bad.

Re: ARB Rear Bumper/Tyre Carrier - Jeep Wrangler
 

I have Garvin's rear bumper/carrier too and while it can hold a lot, the
bumper crossmember is sagging a bit after five years of carrying a 33"
spare, and the screw-in securement system for the carrier is kind of a pain.

Also, at least on mine, the bumper is NOT rated for towing or extraction.
Those D ring tabs are just for show. Maybe later models are.

"nawt2smart" <nawt2smart@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1160111749.678089.48770@k70g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>
> TW wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Has anybody installed one yet? How easy/difficult is it? Any ideas
>> about performance (strenght).
>>
>> I need to put my spare tyre on a carrier as the tailgate is starting to
>> show signs of the weight of a 32" BFG Mud tyre. I can locally get
>> Warn or ARB, both pretty much priced similarly. I am inclined towards
>> ARB one as it looks beefier and has corner protection (and more
>> accessory options). I am in New Zealand, so importing other makes from
>> the US would be pretty much same price (after taking into account the
>> freight).
>>
>> Any feedback would be appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks
>> TW
>> ---------
>> '01 TJ Renegade 4.0L Auto D30/D44
>> 265/75R16 BFG Muds, JKS Quick Discos, OME Lift, 1" MML, 1" BL
>
> If you are talking about the real nice arb rear bumper that fits flush.
> Real nice, but price was out of this world.
>
> Check out garvins wilderness bumper. Lots of accessories to put on
> her. I have the front and rear and love them. Hilift, gas cans,
> shovel, ax, etc. Accepts the proprietary garvin rear rack. Plus you
> get the 2" receiver, and options to put on 2 big arse d rings for when
> it really gets bad.
>

Re: ARB Rear Bumper/Tyre Carrier - Jeep Wrangler
 

I have Garvin's rear bumper/carrier too and while it can hold a lot, the
bumper crossmember is sagging a bit after five years of carrying a 33"
spare, and the screw-in securement system for the carrier is kind of a pain.

Also, at least on mine, the bumper is NOT rated for towing or extraction.
Those D ring tabs are just for show. Maybe later models are.

"nawt2smart" <nawt2smart@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1160111749.678089.48770@k70g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>
> TW wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Has anybody installed one yet? How easy/difficult is it? Any ideas
>> about performance (strenght).
>>
>> I need to put my spare tyre on a carrier as the tailgate is starting to
>> show signs of the weight of a 32" BFG Mud tyre. I can locally get
>> Warn or ARB, both pretty much priced similarly. I am inclined towards
>> ARB one as it looks beefier and has corner protection (and more
>> accessory options). I am in New Zealand, so importing other makes from
>> the US would be pretty much same price (after taking into account the
>> freight).
>>
>> Any feedback would be appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks
>> TW
>> ---------
>> '01 TJ Renegade 4.0L Auto D30/D44
>> 265/75R16 BFG Muds, JKS Quick Discos, OME Lift, 1" MML, 1" BL
>
> If you are talking about the real nice arb rear bumper that fits flush.
> Real nice, but price was out of this world.
>
> Check out garvins wilderness bumper. Lots of accessories to put on
> her. I have the front and rear and love them. Hilift, gas cans,
> shovel, ax, etc. Accepts the proprietary garvin rear rack. Plus you
> get the 2" receiver, and options to put on 2 big arse d rings for when
> it really gets bad.
>

Re: ARB Rear Bumper/Tyre Carrier - Jeep Wrangler
 

I have Garvin's rear bumper/carrier too and while it can hold a lot, the
bumper crossmember is sagging a bit after five years of carrying a 33"
spare, and the screw-in securement system for the carrier is kind of a pain.

Also, at least on mine, the bumper is NOT rated for towing or extraction.
Those D ring tabs are just for show. Maybe later models are.

"nawt2smart" <nawt2smart@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1160111749.678089.48770@k70g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>
> TW wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Has anybody installed one yet? How easy/difficult is it? Any ideas
>> about performance (strenght).
>>
>> I need to put my spare tyre on a carrier as the tailgate is starting to
>> show signs of the weight of a 32" BFG Mud tyre. I can locally get
>> Warn or ARB, both pretty much priced similarly. I am inclined towards
>> ARB one as it looks beefier and has corner protection (and more
>> accessory options). I am in New Zealand, so importing other makes from
>> the US would be pretty much same price (after taking into account the
>> freight).
>>
>> Any feedback would be appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks
>> TW
>> ---------
>> '01 TJ Renegade 4.0L Auto D30/D44
>> 265/75R16 BFG Muds, JKS Quick Discos, OME Lift, 1" MML, 1" BL
>
> If you are talking about the real nice arb rear bumper that fits flush.
> Real nice, but price was out of this world.
>
> Check out garvins wilderness bumper. Lots of accessories to put on
> her. I have the front and rear and love them. Hilift, gas cans,
> shovel, ax, etc. Accepts the proprietary garvin rear rack. Plus you
> get the 2" receiver, and options to put on 2 big arse d rings for when
> it really gets bad.
>

Re: ARB Rear Bumper/Tyre Carrier - Jeep Wrangler
 

nawt2smart wrote:
>
> TW wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Has anybody installed one yet? How easy/difficult is it? Any ideas
> > about performance (strenght).
> >
> > I need to put my spare tyre on a carrier as the tailgate is starting to
> > show signs of the weight of a 32" BFG Mud tyre. I can locally get
> > Warn or ARB, both pretty much priced similarly. I am inclined towards
> > ARB one as it looks beefier and has corner protection (and more
> > accessory options). I am in New Zealand, so importing other makes from
> > the US would be pretty much same price (after taking into account the
> > freight).
> >
> > Any feedback would be appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks
> > TW
> > ---------
> > '01 TJ Renegade 4.0L Auto D30/D44
> > 265/75R16 BFG Muds, JKS Quick Discos, OME Lift, 1" MML, 1" BL
>
> If you are talking about the real nice arb rear bumper that fits flush.
> Real nice, but price was out of this world.
>
> Check out garvins wilderness bumper. Lots of accessories to put on
> her. I have the front and rear and love them. Hilift, gas cans,
> shovel, ax, etc. Accepts the proprietary garvin rear rack. Plus you
> get the 2" receiver, and options to put on 2 big arse d rings for when
> it really gets bad.

You do know that that 2" receiver in the bumper is just there for
accessories like a bike rack, not for towing right? Those bumpers don't
anchor solid enough to be used as a tow point and say so on them.

If you plan on towing, you need a frame mounted hitch still.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Re: ARB Rear Bumper/Tyre Carrier - Jeep Wrangler
 

nawt2smart wrote:
>
> TW wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Has anybody installed one yet? How easy/difficult is it? Any ideas
> > about performance (strenght).
> >
> > I need to put my spare tyre on a carrier as the tailgate is starting to
> > show signs of the weight of a 32" BFG Mud tyre. I can locally get
> > Warn or ARB, both pretty much priced similarly. I am inclined towards
> > ARB one as it looks beefier and has corner protection (and more
> > accessory options). I am in New Zealand, so importing other makes from
> > the US would be pretty much same price (after taking into account the
> > freight).
> >
> > Any feedback would be appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks
> > TW
> > ---------
> > '01 TJ Renegade 4.0L Auto D30/D44
> > 265/75R16 BFG Muds, JKS Quick Discos, OME Lift, 1" MML, 1" BL
>
> If you are talking about the real nice arb rear bumper that fits flush.
> Real nice, but price was out of this world.
>
> Check out garvins wilderness bumper. Lots of accessories to put on
> her. I have the front and rear and love them. Hilift, gas cans,
> shovel, ax, etc. Accepts the proprietary garvin rear rack. Plus you
> get the 2" receiver, and options to put on 2 big arse d rings for when
> it really gets bad.

You do know that that 2" receiver in the bumper is just there for
accessories like a bike rack, not for towing right? Those bumpers don't
anchor solid enough to be used as a tow point and say so on them.

If you plan on towing, you need a frame mounted hitch still.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Re: ARB Rear Bumper/Tyre Carrier - Jeep Wrangler
 

nawt2smart wrote:
>
> TW wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Has anybody installed one yet? How easy/difficult is it? Any ideas
> > about performance (strenght).
> >
> > I need to put my spare tyre on a carrier as the tailgate is starting to
> > show signs of the weight of a 32" BFG Mud tyre. I can locally get
> > Warn or ARB, both pretty much priced similarly. I am inclined towards
> > ARB one as it looks beefier and has corner protection (and more
> > accessory options). I am in New Zealand, so importing other makes from
> > the US would be pretty much same price (after taking into account the
> > freight).
> >
> > Any feedback would be appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks
> > TW
> > ---------
> > '01 TJ Renegade 4.0L Auto D30/D44
> > 265/75R16 BFG Muds, JKS Quick Discos, OME Lift, 1" MML, 1" BL
>
> If you are talking about the real nice arb rear bumper that fits flush.
> Real nice, but price was out of this world.
>
> Check out garvins wilderness bumper. Lots of accessories to put on
> her. I have the front and rear and love them. Hilift, gas cans,
> shovel, ax, etc. Accepts the proprietary garvin rear rack. Plus you
> get the 2" receiver, and options to put on 2 big arse d rings for when
> it really gets bad.

You do know that that 2" receiver in the bumper is just there for
accessories like a bike rack, not for towing right? Those bumpers don't
anchor solid enough to be used as a tow point and say so on them.

If you plan on towing, you need a frame mounted hitch still.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Re: ARB Rear Bumper/Tyre Carrier - Jeep Wrangler
 

>
> You do know that that 2" receiver in the bumper is just there for
> accessories like a bike rack, not for towing right? Those bumpers don't
> anchor solid enough to be used as a tow point and say so on them.
>
> If you plan on towing, you need a frame mounted hitch still.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

On my rear bumper it attaches to the cross member in addition to the
frame on each outer side. I pull a little 14 foot flat bottom boat no
problem.

The front dring's work fine for extracting, in fact I use them to flat
tow behind an RV. The rear it states not to, and I wouldnt either.

Re: ARB Rear Bumper/Tyre Carrier - Jeep Wrangler
 

>
> You do know that that 2" receiver in the bumper is just there for
> accessories like a bike rack, not for towing right? Those bumpers don't
> anchor solid enough to be used as a tow point and say so on them.
>
> If you plan on towing, you need a frame mounted hitch still.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

On my rear bumper it attaches to the cross member in addition to the
frame on each outer side. I pull a little 14 foot flat bottom boat no
problem.

The front dring's work fine for extracting, in fact I use them to flat
tow behind an RV. The rear it states not to, and I wouldnt either.

Re: ARB Rear Bumper/Tyre Carrier - Jeep Wrangler
 

>
> You do know that that 2" receiver in the bumper is just there for
> accessories like a bike rack, not for towing right? Those bumpers don't
> anchor solid enough to be used as a tow point and say so on them.
>
> If you plan on towing, you need a frame mounted hitch still.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

On my rear bumper it attaches to the cross member in addition to the
frame on each outer side. I pull a little 14 foot flat bottom boat no
problem.

The front dring's work fine for extracting, in fact I use them to flat
tow behind an RV. The rear it states not to, and I wouldnt either.

Re: ARB Rear Bumper/Tyre Carrier - Jeep Wrangler
 

nawt2smart wrote:
>
> >
> > You do know that that 2" receiver in the bumper is just there for
> > accessories like a bike rack, not for towing right? Those bumpers don't
> > anchor solid enough to be used as a tow point and say so on them.
> >
> > If you plan on towing, you need a frame mounted hitch still.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> On my rear bumper it attaches to the cross member in addition to the
> frame on each outer side. I pull a little 14 foot flat bottom boat no
> problem.
>
> The front dring's work fine for extracting, in fact I use them to flat
> tow behind an RV. The rear it states not to, and I wouldnt either.

Up here in Canada they do random and long weekend safety checks all the
time and these cops know their stuff. They would bust you big time if
they saw you towing via your bumper.

On the front bumpers with d-rings you need to be sure and only use one
ring at a time. If you use both at the same time, the lever action can
compress the bumper bending it and the frame into the center. I have
factory tow hooks on the front frame of my Jeep and it warns about this
in the owners manual.

Mike

Re: ARB Rear Bumper/Tyre Carrier - Jeep Wrangler
 

nawt2smart wrote:
>
> >
> > You do know that that 2" receiver in the bumper is just there for
> > accessories like a bike rack, not for towing right? Those bumpers don't
> > anchor solid enough to be used as a tow point and say so on them.
> >
> > If you plan on towing, you need a frame mounted hitch still.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> On my rear bumper it attaches to the cross member in addition to the
> frame on each outer side. I pull a little 14 foot flat bottom boat no
> problem.
>
> The front dring's work fine for extracting, in fact I use them to flat
> tow behind an RV. The rear it states not to, and I wouldnt either.

Up here in Canada they do random and long weekend safety checks all the
time and these cops know their stuff. They would bust you big time if
they saw you towing via your bumper.

On the front bumpers with d-rings you need to be sure and only use one
ring at a time. If you use both at the same time, the lever action can
compress the bumper bending it and the frame into the center. I have
factory tow hooks on the front frame of my Jeep and it warns about this
in the owners manual.

Mike

Re: ARB Rear Bumper/Tyre Carrier - Jeep Wrangler
 

nawt2smart wrote:
>
> >
> > You do know that that 2" receiver in the bumper is just there for
> > accessories like a bike rack, not for towing right? Those bumpers don't
> > anchor solid enough to be used as a tow point and say so on them.
> >
> > If you plan on towing, you need a frame mounted hitch still.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> On my rear bumper it attaches to the cross member in addition to the
> frame on each outer side. I pull a little 14 foot flat bottom boat no
> problem.
>
> The front dring's work fine for extracting, in fact I use them to flat
> tow behind an RV. The rear it states not to, and I wouldnt either.

Up here in Canada they do random and long weekend safety checks all the
time and these cops know their stuff. They would bust you big time if
they saw you towing via your bumper.

On the front bumpers with d-rings you need to be sure and only use one
ring at a time. If you use both at the same time, the lever action can
compress the bumper bending it and the frame into the center. I have
factory tow hooks on the front frame of my Jeep and it warns about this
in the owners manual.

Mike

Re: ARB Rear Bumper/Tyre Carrier - Jeep Wrangler
 

Mike Romain wrote:
> nawt2smart wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > You do know that that 2" receiver in the bumper is just there for
> > > accessories like a bike rack, not for towing right? Those bumpers don't
> > > anchor solid enough to be used as a tow point and say so on them.
> > >
> > > If you plan on towing, you need a frame mounted hitch still.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > On my rear bumper it attaches to the cross member in addition to the
> > frame on each outer side. I pull a little 14 foot flat bottom boat no
> > problem.
> >
> > The front dring's work fine for extracting, in fact I use them to flat
> > tow behind an RV. The rear it states not to, and I wouldnt either.
>
> Up here in Canada they do random and long weekend safety checks all the
> time and these cops know their stuff. They would bust you big time if
> they saw you towing via your bumper.
>
> On the front bumpers with d-rings you need to be sure and only use one
> ring at a time. If you use both at the same time, the lever action can
> compress the bumper bending it and the frame into the center. I have
> factory tow hooks on the front frame of my Jeep and it warns about this
> in the owners manual.
>
> Mike


I just got off the phone with Garvin and he specifically said you can
tow 3500 lb gross weight, 300 lb tonque weight. My little boat is
nowhere near this, more like 600 lbs total and 50 tonque.

Good info on the d-rings.

Re: ARB Rear Bumper/Tyre Carrier - Jeep Wrangler
 

Mike Romain wrote:
> nawt2smart wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > You do know that that 2" receiver in the bumper is just there for
> > > accessories like a bike rack, not for towing right? Those bumpers don't
> > > anchor solid enough to be used as a tow point and say so on them.
> > >
> > > If you plan on towing, you need a frame mounted hitch still.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > On my rear bumper it attaches to the cross member in addition to the
> > frame on each outer side. I pull a little 14 foot flat bottom boat no
> > problem.
> >
> > The front dring's work fine for extracting, in fact I use them to flat
> > tow behind an RV. The rear it states not to, and I wouldnt either.
>
> Up here in Canada they do random and long weekend safety checks all the
> time and these cops know their stuff. They would bust you big time if
> they saw you towing via your bumper.
>
> On the front bumpers with d-rings you need to be sure and only use one
> ring at a time. If you use both at the same time, the lever action can
> compress the bumper bending it and the frame into the center. I have
> factory tow hooks on the front frame of my Jeep and it warns about this
> in the owners manual.
>
> Mike


I just got off the phone with Garvin and he specifically said you can
tow 3500 lb gross weight, 300 lb tonque weight. My little boat is
nowhere near this, more like 600 lbs total and 50 tonque.

Good info on the d-rings.

Re: ARB Rear Bumper/Tyre Carrier - Jeep Wrangler
 

Mike Romain wrote:
> nawt2smart wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > You do know that that 2" receiver in the bumper is just there for
> > > accessories like a bike rack, not for towing right? Those bumpers don't
> > > anchor solid enough to be used as a tow point and say so on them.
> > >
> > > If you plan on towing, you need a frame mounted hitch still.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > On my rear bumper it attaches to the cross member in addition to the
> > frame on each outer side. I pull a little 14 foot flat bottom boat no
> > problem.
> >
> > The front dring's work fine for extracting, in fact I use them to flat
> > tow behind an RV. The rear it states not to, and I wouldnt either.
>
> Up here in Canada they do random and long weekend safety checks all the
> time and these cops know their stuff. They would bust you big time if
> they saw you towing via your bumper.
>
> On the front bumpers with d-rings you need to be sure and only use one
> ring at a time. If you use both at the same time, the lever action can
> compress the bumper bending it and the frame into the center. I have
> factory tow hooks on the front frame of my Jeep and it warns about this
> in the owners manual.
>
> Mike


I just got off the phone with Garvin and he specifically said you can
tow 3500 lb gross weight, 300 lb tonque weight. My little boat is
nowhere near this, more like 600 lbs total and 50 tonque.

Good info on the d-rings.

Re: ARB Rear Bumper/Tyre Carrier - Jeep Wrangler
 

That's good to know, Mike. I didn't pick up on that bit in the owners
manual.

Dave Milne, Scotland

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:45268F0B.F9FB65E7@sympatico.ca...

> On the front bumpers with d-rings you need to be sure and only use one
> ring at a time. If you use both at the same time, the lever action can
> compress the bumper bending it and the frame into the center. I have
> factory tow hooks on the front frame of my Jeep and it warns about this
> in the owners manual.
>
> Mike

Re: ARB Rear Bumper/Tyre Carrier - Jeep Wrangler
 

That's good to know, Mike. I didn't pick up on that bit in the owners
manual.

Dave Milne, Scotland

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:45268F0B.F9FB65E7@sympatico.ca...

> On the front bumpers with d-rings you need to be sure and only use one
> ring at a time. If you use both at the same time, the lever action can
> compress the bumper bending it and the frame into the center. I have
> factory tow hooks on the front frame of my Jeep and it warns about this
> in the owners manual.
>
> Mike

Re: ARB Rear Bumper/Tyre Carrier - Jeep Wrangler
 

That's good to know, Mike. I didn't pick up on that bit in the owners
manual.

Dave Milne, Scotland

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:45268F0B.F9FB65E7@sympatico.ca...

> On the front bumpers with d-rings you need to be sure and only use one
> ring at a time. If you use both at the same time, the lever action can
> compress the bumper bending it and the frame into the center. I have
> factory tow hooks on the front frame of my Jeep and it warns about this
> in the owners manual.
>
> Mike

Re: ARB Rear Bumper/Tyre Carrier - Jeep Wrangler
 

That is wonderful to note, but the freight from US to New Zealand (about USD350, plus local importation clearance fee and goods and services tax at 12.50%) makes it the same price as the ARB from their local dealer delivered to their shop.

And yes I am talking about the actual ARB rear bumper.

Thanks
TW


"nawt2smart" <nawt2smart@excite.com> wrote in message news:1160111749.678089.48770@k70g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...

If you are talking about the real nice arb rear bumper that fits flush.
Real nice, but price was out of this world.

Check out garvins wilderness bumper. Lots of accessories to put on
her. I have the front and rear and love them. Hilift, gas cans,
shovel, ax, etc. Accepts the proprietary garvin rear rack. Plus you
get the 2" receiver, and options to put on 2 big arse d rings for when
it really gets bad.

Re: ARB Rear Bumper/Tyre Carrier - Jeep Wrangler
 

That is wonderful to note, but the freight from US to New Zealand (about USD350, plus local importation clearance fee and goods and services tax at 12.50%) makes it the same price as the ARB from their local dealer delivered to their shop.

And yes I am talking about the actual ARB rear bumper.

Thanks
TW


"nawt2smart" <nawt2smart@excite.com> wrote in message news:1160111749.678089.48770@k70g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...

If you are talking about the real nice arb rear bumper that fits flush.
Real nice, but price was out of this world.

Check out garvins wilderness bumper. Lots of accessories to put on
her. I have the front and rear and love them. Hilift, gas cans,
shovel, ax, etc. Accepts the proprietary garvin rear rack. Plus you
get the 2" receiver, and options to put on 2 big arse d rings for when
it really gets bad.

Re: ARB Rear Bumper/Tyre Carrier - Jeep Wrangler
 

That is wonderful to note, but the freight from US to New Zealand (about USD350, plus local importation clearance fee and goods and services tax at 12.50%) makes it the same price as the ARB from their local dealer delivered to their shop.

And yes I am talking about the actual ARB rear bumper.

Thanks
TW


"nawt2smart" <nawt2smart@excite.com> wrote in message news:1160111749.678089.48770@k70g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...

If you are talking about the real nice arb rear bumper that fits flush.
Real nice, but price was out of this world.

Check out garvins wilderness bumper. Lots of accessories to put on
her. I have the front and rear and love them. Hilift, gas cans,
shovel, ax, etc. Accepts the proprietary garvin rear rack. Plus you
get the 2" receiver, and options to put on 2 big arse d rings for when
it really gets bad.

Re: ARB Rear Bumper/Tyre Carrier - Jeep Wrangler
 

I spoke to the guys at ARB and he said its a six hour install. He has just done one recently to another Wrangler and it was a pain to install. I am just wondering what other people's experience has been.

The ARB one has a hitch and two D-ring slots at the rear. It is rated to 900kgs towing.

TW

"nawt2smart" <nawt2smart@excite.com> wrote in message news:1160152508.513005.311740@i3g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...

On my rear bumper it attaches to the cross member in addition to the
frame on each outer side. I pull a little 14 foot flat bottom boat no
problem.

The front dring's work fine for extracting, in fact I use them to flat
tow behind an RV. The rear it states not to, and I wouldnt either.

Re: ARB Rear Bumper/Tyre Carrier - Jeep Wrangler
 

I spoke to the guys at ARB and he said its a six hour install. He has just done one recently to another Wrangler and it was a pain to install. I am just wondering what other people's experience has been.

The ARB one has a hitch and two D-ring slots at the rear. It is rated to 900kgs towing.

TW

"nawt2smart" <nawt2smart@excite.com> wrote in message news:1160152508.513005.311740@i3g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...

On my rear bumper it attaches to the cross member in addition to the
frame on each outer side. I pull a little 14 foot flat bottom boat no
problem.

The front dring's work fine for extracting, in fact I use them to flat
tow behind an RV. The rear it states not to, and I wouldnt either.

Re: ARB Rear Bumper/Tyre Carrier - Jeep Wrangler
 

I spoke to the guys at ARB and he said its a six hour install. He has just done one recently to another Wrangler and it was a pain to install. I am just wondering what other people's experience has been.

The ARB one has a hitch and two D-ring slots at the rear. It is rated to 900kgs towing.

TW

"nawt2smart" <nawt2smart@excite.com> wrote in message news:1160152508.513005.311740@i3g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...

On my rear bumper it attaches to the cross member in addition to the
frame on each outer side. I pull a little 14 foot flat bottom boat no
problem.

The front dring's work fine for extracting, in fact I use them to flat
tow behind an RV. The rear it states not to, and I wouldnt either.

Re: ARB Rear Bumper/Tyre Carrier - Jeep Wrangler
 

Here in New Zealand, if you have an airbag then the front bumper has to have a certificate from the manufacturer (crash test and all) saying the bumper does not alter the airbag trigger and safety feature. Local engineering shops are reluctant to produce one because of all the testing involved. ARB and TJM bars certified, I think so are the Warn bumpers.

Thanks
TW


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:45268F0B.F9FB65E7@sympatico.ca...
nawt2smart wrote:
>
> >
> > You do know that that 2" receiver in the bumper is just there for
> > accessories like a bike rack, not for towing right? Those bumpers don't
> > anchor solid enough to be used as a tow point and say so on them.
> >
> > If you plan on towing, you need a frame mounted hitch still.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> On my rear bumper it attaches to the cross member in addition to the
> frame on each outer side. I pull a little 14 foot flat bottom boat no
> problem.
>
> The front dring's work fine for extracting, in fact I use them to flat
> tow behind an RV. The rear it states not to, and I wouldnt either.

Up here in Canada they do random and long weekend safety checks all the
time and these cops know their stuff. They would bust you big time if
they saw you towing via your bumper.

On the front bumpers with d-rings you need to be sure and only use one
ring at a time. If you use both at the same time, the lever action can
compress the bumper bending it and the frame into the center. I have
factory tow hooks on the front frame of my Jeep and it warns about this
in the owners manual.

Mike

Re: ARB Rear Bumper/Tyre Carrier - Jeep Wrangler
 

Here in New Zealand, if you have an airbag then the front bumper has to have a certificate from the manufacturer (crash test and all) saying the bumper does not alter the airbag trigger and safety feature. Local engineering shops are reluctant to produce one because of all the testing involved. ARB and TJM bars certified, I think so are the Warn bumpers.

Thanks
TW


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:45268F0B.F9FB65E7@sympatico.ca...
nawt2smart wrote:
>
> >
> > You do know that that 2" receiver in the bumper is just there for
> > accessories like a bike rack, not for towing right? Those bumpers don't
> > anchor solid enough to be used as a tow point and say so on them.
> >
> > If you plan on towing, you need a frame mounted hitch still.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> On my rear bumper it attaches to the cross member in addition to the
> frame on each outer side. I pull a little 14 foot flat bottom boat no
> problem.
>
> The front dring's work fine for extracting, in fact I use them to flat
> tow behind an RV. The rear it states not to, and I wouldnt either.

Up here in Canada they do random and long weekend safety checks all the
time and these cops know their stuff. They would bust you big time if
they saw you towing via your bumper.

On the front bumpers with d-rings you need to be sure and only use one
ring at a time. If you use both at the same time, the lever action can
compress the bumper bending it and the frame into the center. I have
factory tow hooks on the front frame of my Jeep and it warns about this
in the owners manual.

Mike

Re: ARB Rear Bumper/Tyre Carrier - Jeep Wrangler
 

Here in New Zealand, if you have an airbag then the front bumper has to have a certificate from the manufacturer (crash test and all) saying the bumper does not alter the airbag trigger and safety feature. Local engineering shops are reluctant to produce one because of all the testing involved. ARB and TJM bars certified, I think so are the Warn bumpers.

Thanks
TW


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:45268F0B.F9FB65E7@sympatico.ca...
nawt2smart wrote:
>
> >
> > You do know that that 2" receiver in the bumper is just there for
> > accessories like a bike rack, not for towing right? Those bumpers don't
> > anchor solid enough to be used as a tow point and say so on them.
> >
> > If you plan on towing, you need a frame mounted hitch still.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> On my rear bumper it attaches to the cross member in addition to the
> frame on each outer side. I pull a little 14 foot flat bottom boat no
> problem.
>
> The front dring's work fine for extracting, in fact I use them to flat
> tow behind an RV. The rear it states not to, and I wouldnt either.

Up here in Canada they do random and long weekend safety checks all the
time and these cops know their stuff. They would bust you big time if
they saw you towing via your bumper.

On the front bumpers with d-rings you need to be sure and only use one
ring at a time. If you use both at the same time, the lever action can
compress the bumper bending it and the frame into the center. I have
factory tow hooks on the front frame of my Jeep and it warns about this
in the owners manual.

Mike

Re: ARB Rear Bumper/Tyre Carrier - Jeep Wrangler
 

Go over to their showroom with a digital camera and a tape measure. Perhaps
a local shop could reproduce something better and cheaper.


"TW" <attw@wave.co.nz (delete this)> wrote in message
news:eg6nmm$ias$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
That is wonderful to note, but the freight from US to New Zealand (about
USD350, plus local importation clearance fee and goods and services tax at
12.50%) makes it the same price as the ARB from their local dealer delivered
to their shop.

And yes I am talking about the actual ARB rear bumper.

Thanks
TW


"nawt2smart" <nawt2smart@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1160111749.678089.48770@k70g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...

If you are talking about the real nice arb rear bumper that fits flush.
Real nice, but price was out of this world.

Check out garvins wilderness bumper. Lots of accessories to put on
her. I have the front and rear and love them. Hilift, gas cans,
shovel, ax, etc. Accepts the proprietary garvin rear rack. Plus you
get the 2" receiver, and options to put on 2 big arse d rings for when
it really gets bad.

Re: ARB Rear Bumper/Tyre Carrier - Jeep Wrangler
 

Go over to their showroom with a digital camera and a tape measure. Perhaps
a local shop could reproduce something better and cheaper.


"TW" <attw@wave.co.nz (delete this)> wrote in message
news:eg6nmm$ias$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
That is wonderful to note, but the freight from US to New Zealand (about
USD350, plus local importation clearance fee and goods and services tax at
12.50%) makes it the same price as the ARB from their local dealer delivered
to their shop.

And yes I am talking about the actual ARB rear bumper.

Thanks
TW


"nawt2smart" <nawt2smart@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1160111749.678089.48770@k70g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...

If you are talking about the real nice arb rear bumper that fits flush.
Real nice, but price was out of this world.

Check out garvins wilderness bumper. Lots of accessories to put on
her. I have the front and rear and love them. Hilift, gas cans,
shovel, ax, etc. Accepts the proprietary garvin rear rack. Plus you
get the 2" receiver, and options to put on 2 big arse d rings for when
it really gets bad.

Re: ARB Rear Bumper/Tyre Carrier - Jeep Wrangler
 

Go over to their showroom with a digital camera and a tape measure. Perhaps
a local shop could reproduce something better and cheaper.


"TW" <attw@wave.co.nz (delete this)> wrote in message
news:eg6nmm$ias$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
That is wonderful to note, but the freight from US to New Zealand (about
USD350, plus local importation clearance fee and goods and services tax at
12.50%) makes it the same price as the ARB from their local dealer delivered
to their shop.

And yes I am talking about the actual ARB rear bumper.

Thanks
TW


"nawt2smart" <nawt2smart@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1160111749.678089.48770@k70g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...

If you are talking about the real nice arb rear bumper that fits flush.
Real nice, but price was out of this world.

Check out garvins wilderness bumper. Lots of accessories to put on
her. I have the front and rear and love them. Hilift, gas cans,
shovel, ax, etc. Accepts the proprietary garvin rear rack. Plus you
get the 2" receiver, and options to put on 2 big arse d rings for when
it really gets bad.

Re: ARB Rear Bumper/Tyre Carrier - Jeep Wrangler
 

TJ's airbag sensor/trigger is nowhere near the bumper so it's moot in that
application. The TJ uses an intertial sensor located under the dash just
forward of the gearshift.

"TW" <attw@wave.co.nz (delete this)> wrote in message
news:eg6nmo$ias$3@lust.ihug.co.nz...
Here in New Zealand, if you have an airbag then the front bumper has to have
a certificate from the manufacturer (crash test and all) saying the bumper
does not alter the airbag trigger and safety feature. Local engineering
shops are reluctant to produce one because of all the testing involved. ARB
and TJM bars certified, I think so are the Warn bumpers.

Thanks
TW


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:45268F0B.F9FB65E7@sympatico.ca...
nawt2smart wrote:
>
> >
> > You do know that that 2" receiver in the bumper is just there for
> > accessories like a bike rack, not for towing right? Those bumpers don't
> > anchor solid enough to be used as a tow point and say so on them.
> >
> > If you plan on towing, you need a frame mounted hitch still.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> On my rear bumper it attaches to the cross member in addition to the
> frame on each outer side. I pull a little 14 foot flat bottom boat no
> problem.
>
> The front dring's work fine for extracting, in fact I use them to flat
> tow behind an RV. The rear it states not to, and I wouldnt either.

Up here in Canada they do random and long weekend safety checks all the
time and these cops know their stuff. They would bust you big time if
they saw you towing via your bumper.

On the front bumpers with d-rings you need to be sure and only use one
ring at a time. If you use both at the same time, the lever action can
compress the bumper bending it and the frame into the center. I have
factory tow hooks on the front frame of my Jeep and it warns about this
in the owners manual.

Mike

Re: ARB Rear Bumper/Tyre Carrier - Jeep Wrangler
 

TJ's airbag sensor/trigger is nowhere near the bumper so it's moot in that
application. The TJ uses an intertial sensor located under the dash just
forward of the gearshift.

"TW" <attw@wave.co.nz (delete this)> wrote in message
news:eg6nmo$ias$3@lust.ihug.co.nz...
Here in New Zealand, if you have an airbag then the front bumper has to have
a certificate from the manufacturer (crash test and all) saying the bumper
does not alter the airbag trigger and safety feature. Local engineering
shops are reluctant to produce one because of all the testing involved. ARB
and TJM bars certified, I think so are the Warn bumpers.

Thanks
TW


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:45268F0B.F9FB65E7@sympatico.ca...
nawt2smart wrote:
>
> >
> > You do know that that 2" receiver in the bumper is just there for
> > accessories like a bike rack, not for towing right? Those bumpers don't
> > anchor solid enough to be used as a tow point and say so on them.
> >
> > If you plan on towing, you need a frame mounted hitch still.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> On my rear bumper it attaches to the cross member in addition to the
> frame on each outer side. I pull a little 14 foot flat bottom boat no
> problem.
>
> The front dring's work fine for extracting, in fact I use them to flat
> tow behind an RV. The rear it states not to, and I wouldnt either.

Up here in Canada they do random and long weekend safety checks all the
time and these cops know their stuff. They would bust you big time if
they saw you towing via your bumper.

On the front bumpers with d-rings you need to be sure and only use one
ring at a time. If you use both at the same time, the lever action can
compress the bumper bending it and the frame into the center. I have
factory tow hooks on the front frame of my Jeep and it warns about this
in the owners manual.

Mike

Re: ARB Rear Bumper/Tyre Carrier - Jeep Wrangler
 

TJ's airbag sensor/trigger is nowhere near the bumper so it's moot in that
application. The TJ uses an intertial sensor located under the dash just
forward of the gearshift.

"TW" <attw@wave.co.nz (delete this)> wrote in message
news:eg6nmo$ias$3@lust.ihug.co.nz...
Here in New Zealand, if you have an airbag then the front bumper has to have
a certificate from the manufacturer (crash test and all) saying the bumper
does not alter the airbag trigger and safety feature. Local engineering
shops are reluctant to produce one because of all the testing involved. ARB
and TJM bars certified, I think so are the Warn bumpers.

Thanks
TW


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:45268F0B.F9FB65E7@sympatico.ca...
nawt2smart wrote:
>
> >
> > You do know that that 2" receiver in the bumper is just there for
> > accessories like a bike rack, not for towing right? Those bumpers don't
> > anchor solid enough to be used as a tow point and say so on them.
> >
> > If you plan on towing, you need a frame mounted hitch still.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> On my rear bumper it attaches to the cross member in addition to the
> frame on each outer side. I pull a little 14 foot flat bottom boat no
> problem.
>
> The front dring's work fine for extracting, in fact I use them to flat
> tow behind an RV. The rear it states not to, and I wouldnt either.

Up here in Canada they do random and long weekend safety checks all the
time and these cops know their stuff. They would bust you big time if
they saw you towing via your bumper.

On the front bumpers with d-rings you need to be sure and only use one
ring at a time. If you use both at the same time, the lever action can
compress the bumper bending it and the frame into the center. I have
factory tow hooks on the front frame of my Jeep and it warns about this
in the owners manual.

Mike

Re: ARB Rear Bumper/Tyre Carrier - Jeep Wrangler
 

That exceeds the TJ's towing capacity.
>
>
> I just got off the phone with Garvin and he specifically said you can
> tow 3500 lb gross weight, 300 lb tonque weight. My little boat is
> nowhere near this, more like 600 lbs total and 50 tonque.
>
> Good info on the d-rings.
>

Re: ARB Rear Bumper/Tyre Carrier - Jeep Wrangler
 

That exceeds the TJ's towing capacity.
>
>
> I just got off the phone with Garvin and he specifically said you can
> tow 3500 lb gross weight, 300 lb tonque weight. My little boat is
> nowhere near this, more like 600 lbs total and 50 tonque.
>
> Good info on the d-rings.
>

Re: ARB Rear Bumper/Tyre Carrier - Jeep Wrangler
 

That exceeds the TJ's towing capacity.
>
>
> I just got off the phone with Garvin and he specifically said you can
> tow 3500 lb gross weight, 300 lb tonque weight. My little boat is
> nowhere near this, more like 600 lbs total and 50 tonque.
>
> Good info on the d-rings.
>