Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
 

Dean,

Maybe the outside seal is still OK, if it is leaking oil. It is only
designed to hold grease, which is thick stuff. If you want to take a chance
on this, clean all the gear lube off the bearing, regrease it as well as you
can, using maybe a needle adapter with your grease gun, and put it back
together with a new oil seal.

Earle

"Deano" <dpernisie@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1163085336.672763.172950@e3g2000cwe.googlegro ups.com...
> Ok - I am confused.
>
> Mike, didn't you have a wheel leak a few years back that you had to fix
> (march 02 - I was digging through old threads)? What did that turn up?
>
> If there are two seals (as Bill's helpful links have shown), that means
> that the inner seal keeps the oil away from the bearings altogether
> making them "greased" bearings, rather than "oiled" bearings (for lack
> of better description). If this is the case, wouldn't that mean that
> BOTH seals are bad if I am getting OIL out of the end of the axle?
>
> Mike, the leak you just described would imply the same thing (two seal
> failures), right?
>
> Dean
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > Ok..... That parts photo sure says there are two seals so I guess you
> > are correct on that.
> >
> > So that means one 'oil' seal is in the axle tube and gets left there
> > when you pull the axle out right? Then the 'grease' seal I am thinking
> > of come out with the axle and only can be removed once the bearing has
> > been pressed off the axle.
> >
> > So that would mean that the new leak mine just sprouted at one rear
> > wheel can be fixed without going to the machine shop?
> >
> > It would seem I can pull the axle and just pop the seal out of the tube?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" wrote:
> > >
> > > There's a picture of the inner and outer seals at:
> > > http://www.teamgrandwagoneer.com/par...ain/index.html
> > > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Bill, there is no inside seal on a Dana 44 rear end! The Dana 30
front
> > > > end has them....
> > > >
> > > > Mike
>



--
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Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
 

Thanks Earl.

When I first had the seal done, I thought the seal was behind the
bearing and thus would require a press (which I don't have) so I took
it to my jeep guy - had I known, I probably would have done it myself.
turns out I was looking at a description of the newer D44 on the TJ
which *only* has an outer oil seal. Anyway, I just spoke with my jepe
mechanic and confirmed what everyone here has come to agree upon.
There is an inner oil seal and an outer grease seal. Grease seal won't
keep the runnier axle oil from leaking if the oil seal is bad. He is
gonna pull it open and redo it - possibly peening the bearing or
dimpling the housing in the process to deal with the spun bearing.

Gonna cross my fingers that I will not shortly be in the market for a
new D44 housing if this doesn't work. My open air "shade tree" garage
isn't going to be too nice for a first time axle rebuild over the next
4-5 months (Boston).

Dean

Earle Horton wrote:
> Dean,
>
> Maybe the outside seal is still OK, if it is leaking oil. It is only
> designed to hold grease, which is thick stuff. If you want to take a chance
> on this, clean all the gear lube off the bearing, regrease it as well as you
> can, using maybe a needle adapter with your grease gun, and put it back
> together with a new oil seal.
>
> Earle
>
> "Deano" <dpernisie@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1163085336.672763.172950@e3g2000cwe.googlegro ups.com...
> > Ok - I am confused.
> >
> > Mike, didn't you have a wheel leak a few years back that you had to fix
> > (march 02 - I was digging through old threads)? What did that turn up?
> >
> > If there are two seals (as Bill's helpful links have shown), that means
> > that the inner seal keeps the oil away from the bearings altogether
> > making them "greased" bearings, rather than "oiled" bearings (for lack
> > of better description). If this is the case, wouldn't that mean that
> > BOTH seals are bad if I am getting OIL out of the end of the axle?
> >
> > Mike, the leak you just described would imply the same thing (two seal
> > failures), right?
> >
> > Dean
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > Ok..... That parts photo sure says there are two seals so I guess you
> > > are correct on that.
> > >
> > > So that means one 'oil' seal is in the axle tube and gets left there
> > > when you pull the axle out right? Then the 'grease' seal I am thinking
> > > of come out with the axle and only can be removed once the bearing has
> > > been pressed off the axle.
> > >
> > > So that would mean that the new leak mine just sprouted at one rear
> > > wheel can be fixed without going to the machine shop?
> > >
> > > It would seem I can pull the axle and just pop the seal out of the tube?
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > There's a picture of the inner and outer seals at:
> > > > http://www.teamgrandwagoneer.com/par...ain/index.html
> > > > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > >
> > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill, there is no inside seal on a Dana 44 rear end! The Dana 30
> front
> > > > > end has them....
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> >
>
>
>
> --
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Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
 

Thanks Earl.

When I first had the seal done, I thought the seal was behind the
bearing and thus would require a press (which I don't have) so I took
it to my jeep guy - had I known, I probably would have done it myself.
turns out I was looking at a description of the newer D44 on the TJ
which *only* has an outer oil seal. Anyway, I just spoke with my jepe
mechanic and confirmed what everyone here has come to agree upon.
There is an inner oil seal and an outer grease seal. Grease seal won't
keep the runnier axle oil from leaking if the oil seal is bad. He is
gonna pull it open and redo it - possibly peening the bearing or
dimpling the housing in the process to deal with the spun bearing.

Gonna cross my fingers that I will not shortly be in the market for a
new D44 housing if this doesn't work. My open air "shade tree" garage
isn't going to be too nice for a first time axle rebuild over the next
4-5 months (Boston).

Dean

Earle Horton wrote:
> Dean,
>
> Maybe the outside seal is still OK, if it is leaking oil. It is only
> designed to hold grease, which is thick stuff. If you want to take a chance
> on this, clean all the gear lube off the bearing, regrease it as well as you
> can, using maybe a needle adapter with your grease gun, and put it back
> together with a new oil seal.
>
> Earle
>
> "Deano" <dpernisie@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1163085336.672763.172950@e3g2000cwe.googlegro ups.com...
> > Ok - I am confused.
> >
> > Mike, didn't you have a wheel leak a few years back that you had to fix
> > (march 02 - I was digging through old threads)? What did that turn up?
> >
> > If there are two seals (as Bill's helpful links have shown), that means
> > that the inner seal keeps the oil away from the bearings altogether
> > making them "greased" bearings, rather than "oiled" bearings (for lack
> > of better description). If this is the case, wouldn't that mean that
> > BOTH seals are bad if I am getting OIL out of the end of the axle?
> >
> > Mike, the leak you just described would imply the same thing (two seal
> > failures), right?
> >
> > Dean
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > Ok..... That parts photo sure says there are two seals so I guess you
> > > are correct on that.
> > >
> > > So that means one 'oil' seal is in the axle tube and gets left there
> > > when you pull the axle out right? Then the 'grease' seal I am thinking
> > > of come out with the axle and only can be removed once the bearing has
> > > been pressed off the axle.
> > >
> > > So that would mean that the new leak mine just sprouted at one rear
> > > wheel can be fixed without going to the machine shop?
> > >
> > > It would seem I can pull the axle and just pop the seal out of the tube?
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > There's a picture of the inner and outer seals at:
> > > > http://www.teamgrandwagoneer.com/par...ain/index.html
> > > > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > >
> > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill, there is no inside seal on a Dana 44 rear end! The Dana 30
> front
> > > > > end has them....
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> >
>
>
>
> --
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Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
 

Thanks Earl.

When I first had the seal done, I thought the seal was behind the
bearing and thus would require a press (which I don't have) so I took
it to my jeep guy - had I known, I probably would have done it myself.
turns out I was looking at a description of the newer D44 on the TJ
which *only* has an outer oil seal. Anyway, I just spoke with my jepe
mechanic and confirmed what everyone here has come to agree upon.
There is an inner oil seal and an outer grease seal. Grease seal won't
keep the runnier axle oil from leaking if the oil seal is bad. He is
gonna pull it open and redo it - possibly peening the bearing or
dimpling the housing in the process to deal with the spun bearing.

Gonna cross my fingers that I will not shortly be in the market for a
new D44 housing if this doesn't work. My open air "shade tree" garage
isn't going to be too nice for a first time axle rebuild over the next
4-5 months (Boston).

Dean

Earle Horton wrote:
> Dean,
>
> Maybe the outside seal is still OK, if it is leaking oil. It is only
> designed to hold grease, which is thick stuff. If you want to take a chance
> on this, clean all the gear lube off the bearing, regrease it as well as you
> can, using maybe a needle adapter with your grease gun, and put it back
> together with a new oil seal.
>
> Earle
>
> "Deano" <dpernisie@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1163085336.672763.172950@e3g2000cwe.googlegro ups.com...
> > Ok - I am confused.
> >
> > Mike, didn't you have a wheel leak a few years back that you had to fix
> > (march 02 - I was digging through old threads)? What did that turn up?
> >
> > If there are two seals (as Bill's helpful links have shown), that means
> > that the inner seal keeps the oil away from the bearings altogether
> > making them "greased" bearings, rather than "oiled" bearings (for lack
> > of better description). If this is the case, wouldn't that mean that
> > BOTH seals are bad if I am getting OIL out of the end of the axle?
> >
> > Mike, the leak you just described would imply the same thing (two seal
> > failures), right?
> >
> > Dean
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > Ok..... That parts photo sure says there are two seals so I guess you
> > > are correct on that.
> > >
> > > So that means one 'oil' seal is in the axle tube and gets left there
> > > when you pull the axle out right? Then the 'grease' seal I am thinking
> > > of come out with the axle and only can be removed once the bearing has
> > > been pressed off the axle.
> > >
> > > So that would mean that the new leak mine just sprouted at one rear
> > > wheel can be fixed without going to the machine shop?
> > >
> > > It would seem I can pull the axle and just pop the seal out of the tube?
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > There's a picture of the inner and outer seals at:
> > > > http://www.teamgrandwagoneer.com/par...ain/index.html
> > > > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > >
> > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill, there is no inside seal on a Dana 44 rear end! The Dana 30
> front
> > > > > end has them....
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> >
>
>
>
> --
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Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
 

That's ok, I was/am obviously confused too.... I am looking at my parts
book and it labels all the parts in the rear end except one... Sure
enough, it could be that internal seal.

Wow, I just read that 2002 thread. My memory is missing pieces I guess,
we figured out back then there was two seals in the CJ dana 44 and only
one in the TJ 44. I can't believe I didn't remember that, oh well I did
get hit in the head as a passenger in a car accident hard enough to have
a stroke since...

That leak I had stopped. I never fixed it that I can remember. I have
had the rear pinion bearing and inside axle bearings replaced since and
it wasn't leaking when they took the axles out for that even....

The outer seal is a grease one like others have noticed. This won't
hold gear oil in, only grease.

I guess it is finally time I replaced mine. Wonder where Steve is these
days...

Same test though. If there isn't bearing movement or heat marks,
suspect the job.

Mike

Deano wrote:
>
> Ok - I am confused.
>
> Mike, didn't you have a wheel leak a few years back that you had to fix
> (march 02 - I was digging through old threads)? What did that turn up?
>
> If there are two seals (as Bill's helpful links have shown), that means
> that the inner seal keeps the oil away from the bearings altogether
> making them "greased" bearings, rather than "oiled" bearings (for lack
> of better description). If this is the case, wouldn't that mean that
> BOTH seals are bad if I am getting OIL out of the end of the axle?
>
> Mike, the leak you just described would imply the same thing (two seal
> failures), right?
>
> Dean
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > Ok..... That parts photo sure says there are two seals so I guess you
> > are correct on that.
> >
> > So that means one 'oil' seal is in the axle tube and gets left there
> > when you pull the axle out right? Then the 'grease' seal I am thinking
> > of come out with the axle and only can be removed once the bearing has
> > been pressed off the axle.
> >
> > So that would mean that the new leak mine just sprouted at one rear
> > wheel can be fixed without going to the machine shop?
> >
> > It would seem I can pull the axle and just pop the seal out of the tube?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" wrote:
> > >
> > > There's a picture of the inner and outer seals at:
> > > http://www.teamgrandwagoneer.com/par...ain/index.html
> > > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Bill, there is no inside seal on a Dana 44 rear end! The Dana 30 front
> > > > end has them....
> > > >
> > > > Mike

Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
 

That's ok, I was/am obviously confused too.... I am looking at my parts
book and it labels all the parts in the rear end except one... Sure
enough, it could be that internal seal.

Wow, I just read that 2002 thread. My memory is missing pieces I guess,
we figured out back then there was two seals in the CJ dana 44 and only
one in the TJ 44. I can't believe I didn't remember that, oh well I did
get hit in the head as a passenger in a car accident hard enough to have
a stroke since...

That leak I had stopped. I never fixed it that I can remember. I have
had the rear pinion bearing and inside axle bearings replaced since and
it wasn't leaking when they took the axles out for that even....

The outer seal is a grease one like others have noticed. This won't
hold gear oil in, only grease.

I guess it is finally time I replaced mine. Wonder where Steve is these
days...

Same test though. If there isn't bearing movement or heat marks,
suspect the job.

Mike

Deano wrote:
>
> Ok - I am confused.
>
> Mike, didn't you have a wheel leak a few years back that you had to fix
> (march 02 - I was digging through old threads)? What did that turn up?
>
> If there are two seals (as Bill's helpful links have shown), that means
> that the inner seal keeps the oil away from the bearings altogether
> making them "greased" bearings, rather than "oiled" bearings (for lack
> of better description). If this is the case, wouldn't that mean that
> BOTH seals are bad if I am getting OIL out of the end of the axle?
>
> Mike, the leak you just described would imply the same thing (two seal
> failures), right?
>
> Dean
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > Ok..... That parts photo sure says there are two seals so I guess you
> > are correct on that.
> >
> > So that means one 'oil' seal is in the axle tube and gets left there
> > when you pull the axle out right? Then the 'grease' seal I am thinking
> > of come out with the axle and only can be removed once the bearing has
> > been pressed off the axle.
> >
> > So that would mean that the new leak mine just sprouted at one rear
> > wheel can be fixed without going to the machine shop?
> >
> > It would seem I can pull the axle and just pop the seal out of the tube?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" wrote:
> > >
> > > There's a picture of the inner and outer seals at:
> > > http://www.teamgrandwagoneer.com/par...ain/index.html
> > > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Bill, there is no inside seal on a Dana 44 rear end! The Dana 30 front
> > > > end has them....
> > > >
> > > > Mike

Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
 

That's ok, I was/am obviously confused too.... I am looking at my parts
book and it labels all the parts in the rear end except one... Sure
enough, it could be that internal seal.

Wow, I just read that 2002 thread. My memory is missing pieces I guess,
we figured out back then there was two seals in the CJ dana 44 and only
one in the TJ 44. I can't believe I didn't remember that, oh well I did
get hit in the head as a passenger in a car accident hard enough to have
a stroke since...

That leak I had stopped. I never fixed it that I can remember. I have
had the rear pinion bearing and inside axle bearings replaced since and
it wasn't leaking when they took the axles out for that even....

The outer seal is a grease one like others have noticed. This won't
hold gear oil in, only grease.

I guess it is finally time I replaced mine. Wonder where Steve is these
days...

Same test though. If there isn't bearing movement or heat marks,
suspect the job.

Mike

Deano wrote:
>
> Ok - I am confused.
>
> Mike, didn't you have a wheel leak a few years back that you had to fix
> (march 02 - I was digging through old threads)? What did that turn up?
>
> If there are two seals (as Bill's helpful links have shown), that means
> that the inner seal keeps the oil away from the bearings altogether
> making them "greased" bearings, rather than "oiled" bearings (for lack
> of better description). If this is the case, wouldn't that mean that
> BOTH seals are bad if I am getting OIL out of the end of the axle?
>
> Mike, the leak you just described would imply the same thing (two seal
> failures), right?
>
> Dean
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > Ok..... That parts photo sure says there are two seals so I guess you
> > are correct on that.
> >
> > So that means one 'oil' seal is in the axle tube and gets left there
> > when you pull the axle out right? Then the 'grease' seal I am thinking
> > of come out with the axle and only can be removed once the bearing has
> > been pressed off the axle.
> >
> > So that would mean that the new leak mine just sprouted at one rear
> > wheel can be fixed without going to the machine shop?
> >
> > It would seem I can pull the axle and just pop the seal out of the tube?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" wrote:
> > >
> > > There's a picture of the inner and outer seals at:
> > > http://www.teamgrandwagoneer.com/par...ain/index.html
> > > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Bill, there is no inside seal on a Dana 44 rear end! The Dana 30 front
> > > > end has them....
> > > >
> > > > Mike

Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
 

I watched a guy replace an axle bearing in a Suburban at Snoqualmie Pass,
WA, in the dead of winter. First, he built a shelter around the back end of
the Suburban using tarps and duct tape. Then, he pulled the axle shaft.
Then, he begged a ride to town to get parts...

Earle

"Deano" <dpernisie@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1163087359.691700.312790@h54g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> Thanks Earl.
>
> When I first had the seal done, I thought the seal was behind the
> bearing and thus would require a press (which I don't have) so I took
> it to my jeep guy - had I known, I probably would have done it myself.
> turns out I was looking at a description of the newer D44 on the TJ
> which *only* has an outer oil seal. Anyway, I just spoke with my jepe
> mechanic and confirmed what everyone here has come to agree upon.
> There is an inner oil seal and an outer grease seal. Grease seal won't
> keep the runnier axle oil from leaking if the oil seal is bad. He is
> gonna pull it open and redo it - possibly peening the bearing or
> dimpling the housing in the process to deal with the spun bearing.
>
> Gonna cross my fingers that I will not shortly be in the market for a
> new D44 housing if this doesn't work. My open air "shade tree" garage
> isn't going to be too nice for a first time axle rebuild over the next
> 4-5 months (Boston).
>
> Dean
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> > Dean,
> >
> > Maybe the outside seal is still OK, if it is leaking oil. It is only
> > designed to hold grease, which is thick stuff. If you want to take a
chance
> > on this, clean all the gear lube off the bearing, regrease it as well as
you
> > can, using maybe a needle adapter with your grease gun, and put it back
> > together with a new oil seal.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Deano" <dpernisie@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1163085336.672763.172950@e3g2000cwe.googlegro ups.com...
> > > Ok - I am confused.
> > >
> > > Mike, didn't you have a wheel leak a few years back that you had to
fix
> > > (march 02 - I was digging through old threads)? What did that turn
up?
> > >
> > > If there are two seals (as Bill's helpful links have shown), that
means
> > > that the inner seal keeps the oil away from the bearings altogether
> > > making them "greased" bearings, rather than "oiled" bearings (for lack
> > > of better description). If this is the case, wouldn't that mean that
> > > BOTH seals are bad if I am getting OIL out of the end of the axle?
> > >
> > > Mike, the leak you just described would imply the same thing (two seal
> > > failures), right?
> > >
> > > Dean
> > >
> > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > Ok..... That parts photo sure says there are two seals so I guess
you
> > > > are correct on that.
> > > >
> > > > So that means one 'oil' seal is in the axle tube and gets left there
> > > > when you pull the axle out right? Then the 'grease' seal I am
thinking
> > > > of come out with the axle and only can be removed once the bearing
has
> > > > been pressed off the axle.
> > > >
> > > > So that would mean that the new leak mine just sprouted at one rear
> > > > wheel can be fixed without going to the machine shop?
> > > >
> > > > It would seem I can pull the axle and just pop the seal out of the
tube?
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > There's a picture of the inner and outer seals at:
> > > > > http://www.teamgrandwagoneer.com/par...ain/index.html
> > > > > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bill, there is no inside seal on a Dana 44 rear end! The Dana
30
> > front
> > > > > > end has them....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>



--
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Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
 

I watched a guy replace an axle bearing in a Suburban at Snoqualmie Pass,
WA, in the dead of winter. First, he built a shelter around the back end of
the Suburban using tarps and duct tape. Then, he pulled the axle shaft.
Then, he begged a ride to town to get parts...

Earle

"Deano" <dpernisie@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1163087359.691700.312790@h54g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> Thanks Earl.
>
> When I first had the seal done, I thought the seal was behind the
> bearing and thus would require a press (which I don't have) so I took
> it to my jeep guy - had I known, I probably would have done it myself.
> turns out I was looking at a description of the newer D44 on the TJ
> which *only* has an outer oil seal. Anyway, I just spoke with my jepe
> mechanic and confirmed what everyone here has come to agree upon.
> There is an inner oil seal and an outer grease seal. Grease seal won't
> keep the runnier axle oil from leaking if the oil seal is bad. He is
> gonna pull it open and redo it - possibly peening the bearing or
> dimpling the housing in the process to deal with the spun bearing.
>
> Gonna cross my fingers that I will not shortly be in the market for a
> new D44 housing if this doesn't work. My open air "shade tree" garage
> isn't going to be too nice for a first time axle rebuild over the next
> 4-5 months (Boston).
>
> Dean
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> > Dean,
> >
> > Maybe the outside seal is still OK, if it is leaking oil. It is only
> > designed to hold grease, which is thick stuff. If you want to take a
chance
> > on this, clean all the gear lube off the bearing, regrease it as well as
you
> > can, using maybe a needle adapter with your grease gun, and put it back
> > together with a new oil seal.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Deano" <dpernisie@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1163085336.672763.172950@e3g2000cwe.googlegro ups.com...
> > > Ok - I am confused.
> > >
> > > Mike, didn't you have a wheel leak a few years back that you had to
fix
> > > (march 02 - I was digging through old threads)? What did that turn
up?
> > >
> > > If there are two seals (as Bill's helpful links have shown), that
means
> > > that the inner seal keeps the oil away from the bearings altogether
> > > making them "greased" bearings, rather than "oiled" bearings (for lack
> > > of better description). If this is the case, wouldn't that mean that
> > > BOTH seals are bad if I am getting OIL out of the end of the axle?
> > >
> > > Mike, the leak you just described would imply the same thing (two seal
> > > failures), right?
> > >
> > > Dean
> > >
> > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > Ok..... That parts photo sure says there are two seals so I guess
you
> > > > are correct on that.
> > > >
> > > > So that means one 'oil' seal is in the axle tube and gets left there
> > > > when you pull the axle out right? Then the 'grease' seal I am
thinking
> > > > of come out with the axle and only can be removed once the bearing
has
> > > > been pressed off the axle.
> > > >
> > > > So that would mean that the new leak mine just sprouted at one rear
> > > > wheel can be fixed without going to the machine shop?
> > > >
> > > > It would seem I can pull the axle and just pop the seal out of the
tube?
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > There's a picture of the inner and outer seals at:
> > > > > http://www.teamgrandwagoneer.com/par...ain/index.html
> > > > > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bill, there is no inside seal on a Dana 44 rear end! The Dana
30
> > front
> > > > > > end has them....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
 

I watched a guy replace an axle bearing in a Suburban at Snoqualmie Pass,
WA, in the dead of winter. First, he built a shelter around the back end of
the Suburban using tarps and duct tape. Then, he pulled the axle shaft.
Then, he begged a ride to town to get parts...

Earle

"Deano" <dpernisie@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1163087359.691700.312790@h54g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> Thanks Earl.
>
> When I first had the seal done, I thought the seal was behind the
> bearing and thus would require a press (which I don't have) so I took
> it to my jeep guy - had I known, I probably would have done it myself.
> turns out I was looking at a description of the newer D44 on the TJ
> which *only* has an outer oil seal. Anyway, I just spoke with my jepe
> mechanic and confirmed what everyone here has come to agree upon.
> There is an inner oil seal and an outer grease seal. Grease seal won't
> keep the runnier axle oil from leaking if the oil seal is bad. He is
> gonna pull it open and redo it - possibly peening the bearing or
> dimpling the housing in the process to deal with the spun bearing.
>
> Gonna cross my fingers that I will not shortly be in the market for a
> new D44 housing if this doesn't work. My open air "shade tree" garage
> isn't going to be too nice for a first time axle rebuild over the next
> 4-5 months (Boston).
>
> Dean
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> > Dean,
> >
> > Maybe the outside seal is still OK, if it is leaking oil. It is only
> > designed to hold grease, which is thick stuff. If you want to take a
chance
> > on this, clean all the gear lube off the bearing, regrease it as well as
you
> > can, using maybe a needle adapter with your grease gun, and put it back
> > together with a new oil seal.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Deano" <dpernisie@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1163085336.672763.172950@e3g2000cwe.googlegro ups.com...
> > > Ok - I am confused.
> > >
> > > Mike, didn't you have a wheel leak a few years back that you had to
fix
> > > (march 02 - I was digging through old threads)? What did that turn
up?
> > >
> > > If there are two seals (as Bill's helpful links have shown), that
means
> > > that the inner seal keeps the oil away from the bearings altogether
> > > making them "greased" bearings, rather than "oiled" bearings (for lack
> > > of better description). If this is the case, wouldn't that mean that
> > > BOTH seals are bad if I am getting OIL out of the end of the axle?
> > >
> > > Mike, the leak you just described would imply the same thing (two seal
> > > failures), right?
> > >
> > > Dean
> > >
> > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > Ok..... That parts photo sure says there are two seals so I guess
you
> > > > are correct on that.
> > > >
> > > > So that means one 'oil' seal is in the axle tube and gets left there
> > > > when you pull the axle out right? Then the 'grease' seal I am
thinking
> > > > of come out with the axle and only can be removed once the bearing
has
> > > > been pressed off the axle.
> > > >
> > > > So that would mean that the new leak mine just sprouted at one rear
> > > > wheel can be fixed without going to the machine shop?
> > > >
> > > > It would seem I can pull the axle and just pop the seal out of the
tube?
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > There's a picture of the inner and outer seals at:
> > > > > http://www.teamgrandwagoneer.com/par...ain/index.html
> > > > > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bill, there is no inside seal on a Dana 44 rear end! The Dana
30
> > front
> > > > > > end has them....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>



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