Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
 

Ok..... That parts photo sure says there are two seals so I guess you
are correct on that.

So that means one 'oil' seal is in the axle tube and gets left there
when you pull the axle out right? Then the 'grease' seal I am thinking
of come out with the axle and only can be removed once the bearing has
been pressed off the axle.

So that would mean that the new leak mine just sprouted at one rear
wheel can be fixed without going to the machine shop?

It would seem I can pull the axle and just pop the seal out of the tube?

Mike

"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> There's a picture of the inner and outer seals at:
> http://www.teamgrandwagoneer.com/par...ain/index.html
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > Bill, there is no inside seal on a Dana 44 rear end! The Dana 30 front
> > end has them....
> >
> > Mike

Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
 

Ok..... That parts photo sure says there are two seals so I guess you
are correct on that.

So that means one 'oil' seal is in the axle tube and gets left there
when you pull the axle out right? Then the 'grease' seal I am thinking
of come out with the axle and only can be removed once the bearing has
been pressed off the axle.

So that would mean that the new leak mine just sprouted at one rear
wheel can be fixed without going to the machine shop?

It would seem I can pull the axle and just pop the seal out of the tube?

Mike

"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> There's a picture of the inner and outer seals at:
> http://www.teamgrandwagoneer.com/par...ain/index.html
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > Bill, there is no inside seal on a Dana 44 rear end! The Dana 30 front
> > end has them....
> >
> > Mike

Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
 

Ok - I am confused.

Mike, didn't you have a wheel leak a few years back that you had to fix
(march 02 - I was digging through old threads)? What did that turn up?

If there are two seals (as Bill's helpful links have shown), that means
that the inner seal keeps the oil away from the bearings altogether
making them "greased" bearings, rather than "oiled" bearings (for lack
of better description). If this is the case, wouldn't that mean that
BOTH seals are bad if I am getting OIL out of the end of the axle?

Mike, the leak you just described would imply the same thing (two seal
failures), right?

Dean

Mike Romain wrote:
> Ok..... That parts photo sure says there are two seals so I guess you
> are correct on that.
>
> So that means one 'oil' seal is in the axle tube and gets left there
> when you pull the axle out right? Then the 'grease' seal I am thinking
> of come out with the axle and only can be removed once the bearing has
> been pressed off the axle.
>
> So that would mean that the new leak mine just sprouted at one rear
> wheel can be fixed without going to the machine shop?
>
> It would seem I can pull the axle and just pop the seal out of the tube?
>
> Mike
>
> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" wrote:
> >
> > There's a picture of the inner and outer seals at:
> > http://www.teamgrandwagoneer.com/par...ain/index.html
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > >
> > > Bill, there is no inside seal on a Dana 44 rear end! The Dana 30 front
> > > end has them....
> > >
> > > Mike

Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
 

Ok - I am confused.

Mike, didn't you have a wheel leak a few years back that you had to fix
(march 02 - I was digging through old threads)? What did that turn up?

If there are two seals (as Bill's helpful links have shown), that means
that the inner seal keeps the oil away from the bearings altogether
making them "greased" bearings, rather than "oiled" bearings (for lack
of better description). If this is the case, wouldn't that mean that
BOTH seals are bad if I am getting OIL out of the end of the axle?

Mike, the leak you just described would imply the same thing (two seal
failures), right?

Dean

Mike Romain wrote:
> Ok..... That parts photo sure says there are two seals so I guess you
> are correct on that.
>
> So that means one 'oil' seal is in the axle tube and gets left there
> when you pull the axle out right? Then the 'grease' seal I am thinking
> of come out with the axle and only can be removed once the bearing has
> been pressed off the axle.
>
> So that would mean that the new leak mine just sprouted at one rear
> wheel can be fixed without going to the machine shop?
>
> It would seem I can pull the axle and just pop the seal out of the tube?
>
> Mike
>
> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" wrote:
> >
> > There's a picture of the inner and outer seals at:
> > http://www.teamgrandwagoneer.com/par...ain/index.html
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > >
> > > Bill, there is no inside seal on a Dana 44 rear end! The Dana 30 front
> > > end has them....
> > >
> > > Mike

Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
 

Ok - I am confused.

Mike, didn't you have a wheel leak a few years back that you had to fix
(march 02 - I was digging through old threads)? What did that turn up?

If there are two seals (as Bill's helpful links have shown), that means
that the inner seal keeps the oil away from the bearings altogether
making them "greased" bearings, rather than "oiled" bearings (for lack
of better description). If this is the case, wouldn't that mean that
BOTH seals are bad if I am getting OIL out of the end of the axle?

Mike, the leak you just described would imply the same thing (two seal
failures), right?

Dean

Mike Romain wrote:
> Ok..... That parts photo sure says there are two seals so I guess you
> are correct on that.
>
> So that means one 'oil' seal is in the axle tube and gets left there
> when you pull the axle out right? Then the 'grease' seal I am thinking
> of come out with the axle and only can be removed once the bearing has
> been pressed off the axle.
>
> So that would mean that the new leak mine just sprouted at one rear
> wheel can be fixed without going to the machine shop?
>
> It would seem I can pull the axle and just pop the seal out of the tube?
>
> Mike
>
> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" wrote:
> >
> > There's a picture of the inner and outer seals at:
> > http://www.teamgrandwagoneer.com/par...ain/index.html
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > >
> > > Bill, there is no inside seal on a Dana 44 rear end! The Dana 30 front
> > > end has them....
> > >
> > > Mike

Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
 

If they design these things the same way they did thirty years ago, there is
an oil (gear lube) seal in the tube, and a chassis grease seal outboard of
the bearing. The grease seal is not normally a problem, since grease is
thick stuff and not prone to "leak". However, if a lot of gear lube has
washed through it, it may have been compromised. This is where you get to
make a judgment call, based on your years as a mechanic. It is important to
install the oil seal properly (i.e. not with a drift punch) or it may be
tweaked in the axle bore, making it leak.

Saludos,

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:45533DE1.3BC9F048@sympatico.ca...
> Ok..... That parts photo sure says there are two seals so I guess you
> are correct on that.
>
> So that means one 'oil' seal is in the axle tube and gets left there
> when you pull the axle out right? Then the 'grease' seal I am thinking
> of come out with the axle and only can be removed once the bearing has
> been pressed off the axle.
>
> So that would mean that the new leak mine just sprouted at one rear
> wheel can be fixed without going to the machine shop?
>
> It would seem I can pull the axle and just pop the seal out of the tube?
>
> Mike
>
> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" wrote:
> >
> > There's a picture of the inner and outer seals at:
> > http://www.teamgrandwagoneer.com/par...ain/index.html
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > >
> > > Bill, there is no inside seal on a Dana 44 rear end! The Dana 30
front
> > > end has them....
> > >
> > > Mike



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Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
 

If they design these things the same way they did thirty years ago, there is
an oil (gear lube) seal in the tube, and a chassis grease seal outboard of
the bearing. The grease seal is not normally a problem, since grease is
thick stuff and not prone to "leak". However, if a lot of gear lube has
washed through it, it may have been compromised. This is where you get to
make a judgment call, based on your years as a mechanic. It is important to
install the oil seal properly (i.e. not with a drift punch) or it may be
tweaked in the axle bore, making it leak.

Saludos,

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:45533DE1.3BC9F048@sympatico.ca...
> Ok..... That parts photo sure says there are two seals so I guess you
> are correct on that.
>
> So that means one 'oil' seal is in the axle tube and gets left there
> when you pull the axle out right? Then the 'grease' seal I am thinking
> of come out with the axle and only can be removed once the bearing has
> been pressed off the axle.
>
> So that would mean that the new leak mine just sprouted at one rear
> wheel can be fixed without going to the machine shop?
>
> It would seem I can pull the axle and just pop the seal out of the tube?
>
> Mike
>
> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" wrote:
> >
> > There's a picture of the inner and outer seals at:
> > http://www.teamgrandwagoneer.com/par...ain/index.html
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > >
> > > Bill, there is no inside seal on a Dana 44 rear end! The Dana 30
front
> > > end has them....
> > >
> > > Mike



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Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
 

If they design these things the same way they did thirty years ago, there is
an oil (gear lube) seal in the tube, and a chassis grease seal outboard of
the bearing. The grease seal is not normally a problem, since grease is
thick stuff and not prone to "leak". However, if a lot of gear lube has
washed through it, it may have been compromised. This is where you get to
make a judgment call, based on your years as a mechanic. It is important to
install the oil seal properly (i.e. not with a drift punch) or it may be
tweaked in the axle bore, making it leak.

Saludos,

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:45533DE1.3BC9F048@sympatico.ca...
> Ok..... That parts photo sure says there are two seals so I guess you
> are correct on that.
>
> So that means one 'oil' seal is in the axle tube and gets left there
> when you pull the axle out right? Then the 'grease' seal I am thinking
> of come out with the axle and only can be removed once the bearing has
> been pressed off the axle.
>
> So that would mean that the new leak mine just sprouted at one rear
> wheel can be fixed without going to the machine shop?
>
> It would seem I can pull the axle and just pop the seal out of the tube?
>
> Mike
>
> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" wrote:
> >
> > There's a picture of the inner and outer seals at:
> > http://www.teamgrandwagoneer.com/par...ain/index.html
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > >
> > > Bill, there is no inside seal on a Dana 44 rear end! The Dana 30
front
> > > end has them....
> > >
> > > Mike



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Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
 

Dean,

Maybe the outside seal is still OK, if it is leaking oil. It is only
designed to hold grease, which is thick stuff. If you want to take a chance
on this, clean all the gear lube off the bearing, regrease it as well as you
can, using maybe a needle adapter with your grease gun, and put it back
together with a new oil seal.

Earle

"Deano" <dpernisie@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1163085336.672763.172950@e3g2000cwe.googlegro ups.com...
> Ok - I am confused.
>
> Mike, didn't you have a wheel leak a few years back that you had to fix
> (march 02 - I was digging through old threads)? What did that turn up?
>
> If there are two seals (as Bill's helpful links have shown), that means
> that the inner seal keeps the oil away from the bearings altogether
> making them "greased" bearings, rather than "oiled" bearings (for lack
> of better description). If this is the case, wouldn't that mean that
> BOTH seals are bad if I am getting OIL out of the end of the axle?
>
> Mike, the leak you just described would imply the same thing (two seal
> failures), right?
>
> Dean
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > Ok..... That parts photo sure says there are two seals so I guess you
> > are correct on that.
> >
> > So that means one 'oil' seal is in the axle tube and gets left there
> > when you pull the axle out right? Then the 'grease' seal I am thinking
> > of come out with the axle and only can be removed once the bearing has
> > been pressed off the axle.
> >
> > So that would mean that the new leak mine just sprouted at one rear
> > wheel can be fixed without going to the machine shop?
> >
> > It would seem I can pull the axle and just pop the seal out of the tube?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" wrote:
> > >
> > > There's a picture of the inner and outer seals at:
> > > http://www.teamgrandwagoneer.com/par...ain/index.html
> > > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Bill, there is no inside seal on a Dana 44 rear end! The Dana 30
front
> > > > end has them....
> > > >
> > > > Mike
>



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Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
 

Dean,

Maybe the outside seal is still OK, if it is leaking oil. It is only
designed to hold grease, which is thick stuff. If you want to take a chance
on this, clean all the gear lube off the bearing, regrease it as well as you
can, using maybe a needle adapter with your grease gun, and put it back
together with a new oil seal.

Earle

"Deano" <dpernisie@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1163085336.672763.172950@e3g2000cwe.googlegro ups.com...
> Ok - I am confused.
>
> Mike, didn't you have a wheel leak a few years back that you had to fix
> (march 02 - I was digging through old threads)? What did that turn up?
>
> If there are two seals (as Bill's helpful links have shown), that means
> that the inner seal keeps the oil away from the bearings altogether
> making them "greased" bearings, rather than "oiled" bearings (for lack
> of better description). If this is the case, wouldn't that mean that
> BOTH seals are bad if I am getting OIL out of the end of the axle?
>
> Mike, the leak you just described would imply the same thing (two seal
> failures), right?
>
> Dean
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > Ok..... That parts photo sure says there are two seals so I guess you
> > are correct on that.
> >
> > So that means one 'oil' seal is in the axle tube and gets left there
> > when you pull the axle out right? Then the 'grease' seal I am thinking
> > of come out with the axle and only can be removed once the bearing has
> > been pressed off the axle.
> >
> > So that would mean that the new leak mine just sprouted at one rear
> > wheel can be fixed without going to the machine shop?
> >
> > It would seem I can pull the axle and just pop the seal out of the tube?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" wrote:
> > >
> > > There's a picture of the inner and outer seals at:
> > > http://www.teamgrandwagoneer.com/par...ain/index.html
> > > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Bill, there is no inside seal on a Dana 44 rear end! The Dana 30
front
> > > > end has them....
> > > >
> > > > Mike
>



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