Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
 

Not to beat a dead horse here guys, but would a loose bearing race
actually cause a brand new seal to fail within a couple of weeks? Or am
I likely dealing with two problems:

1) dealing with the spun bearing

2) a poorly done seal/bearing job


Earle Horton wrote:
> You're not missing anything Mike.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4551EFB3.4DDEB4D1@sympatico.ca...
> > I am missing something there too.....
> >
> > 'Every' time a bearing has been spun out on me, the parts need
> > replacing. If I just put a new one in loose, I don't get 6 months out
> > of it.
> >
> > If it is spun enough to cause seal failure, well......
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Deano wrote:
> > >
> > > Bill -
> > >
> > > Thanks for replying. Are you saying that the two issues need not be
> > > related and unless I burn out the new bearing, there is no real problem
> > > with it being slightly loose in the housing as it relates to the oil
> > > seal's ability to do its job?
> > >
> > > Thank
> > >
> > > L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> > > > Hi Dean,
> > > > I wouldn't worry about a loose bearing race. And I don't like his
> > > > idea of spot welding it in, it would be impossible to center it!
> > > > I'm thinking the seal is his fault, like he laid the full weight
> of
> > > > the axle on it as he slid it in. Or maybe the new seal was twenty
> years
> > > > old and cracking.
> > > > http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/axle/superior02/
> > > > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > >
> > > > Deano wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Just had my 86 cj7 (dana 44 rear) into my local jeep mechanic to
> > > > > replace my oil seal, bearing, retainer etc, and brake pad on the
> rear
> > > > > axle, driver's side. When I picked it up he mentioned that he had
> > > > > noticed a lot of play when he reinstalled the new axle - he guessed
> > > > > that a PO had spun a bearing. Basically the bearing was not fitting
> > > > > tightly into the surrounding housing. He said it seemed ok, but if
> > > > > there were any problems he may have to spot peen? (weld?) the
> bearing
> > > > > to keep it from turning.
> > > > >
> > > > > As it turns out, it has started leaking again just a few weeks later
> > > > > and I don't understand whether or not these two issues are or could
> be
> > > > > related. He checked the axle for straightness at the time which
> wasn't
> > > > > a problem. Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? I
> will
> > > > > take it back in, but wanted to have some ideas ahead of time...
> > > > >
> > > > > Dean
>
>
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
 

YUP! That's what I'm saying, I've driven over two hundred thousand
of three on my Bronco front hub with a worn in seat, I just knurl the
seat a little with a center punch each of over ten times I've repacked
them since. Your seal is between the bearing and the differential:
http://----------.com/temp/dana44axle2.pdf So it's one hundred percent
his fault it leaks!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Deano wrote:
>
> Bill -
>
> Thanks for replying. Are you saying that the two issues need not be
> related and unless I burn out the new bearing, there is no real problem
> with it being slightly loose in the housing as it relates to the oil
> seal's ability to do its job?
>
> Thank

Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
 

YUP! That's what I'm saying, I've driven over two hundred thousand
of three on my Bronco front hub with a worn in seat, I just knurl the
seat a little with a center punch each of over ten times I've repacked
them since. Your seal is between the bearing and the differential:
http://----------.com/temp/dana44axle2.pdf So it's one hundred percent
his fault it leaks!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Deano wrote:
>
> Bill -
>
> Thanks for replying. Are you saying that the two issues need not be
> related and unless I burn out the new bearing, there is no real problem
> with it being slightly loose in the housing as it relates to the oil
> seal's ability to do its job?
>
> Thank

Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
 

YUP! That's what I'm saying, I've driven over two hundred thousand
of three on my Bronco front hub with a worn in seat, I just knurl the
seat a little with a center punch each of over ten times I've repacked
them since. Your seal is between the bearing and the differential:
http://----------.com/temp/dana44axle2.pdf So it's one hundred percent
his fault it leaks!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Deano wrote:
>
> Bill -
>
> Thanks for replying. Are you saying that the two issues need not be
> related and unless I burn out the new bearing, there is no real problem
> with it being slightly loose in the housing as it relates to the oil
> seal's ability to do its job?
>
> Thank

Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
 

Bill, you need glasses! That seal is outboard of the bearing, same as
mine! The bearing must be pressed off first, then the seal

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> YUP! That's what I'm saying, I've driven over two hundred thousand
> of three on my Bronco front hub with a worn in seat, I just knurl the
> seat a little with a center punch each of over ten times I've repacked
> them since. Your seal is between the bearing and the differential:
> http://----------.com/temp/dana44axle2.pdf So it's one hundred percent
> his fault it leaks!
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Deano wrote:
> >
> > Bill -
> >
> > Thanks for replying. Are you saying that the two issues need not be
> > related and unless I burn out the new bearing, there is no real problem
> > with it being slightly loose in the housing as it relates to the oil
> > seal's ability to do its job?
> >
> > Thank

Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
 

Bill, you need glasses! That seal is outboard of the bearing, same as
mine! The bearing must be pressed off first, then the seal

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> YUP! That's what I'm saying, I've driven over two hundred thousand
> of three on my Bronco front hub with a worn in seat, I just knurl the
> seat a little with a center punch each of over ten times I've repacked
> them since. Your seal is between the bearing and the differential:
> http://----------.com/temp/dana44axle2.pdf So it's one hundred percent
> his fault it leaks!
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Deano wrote:
> >
> > Bill -
> >
> > Thanks for replying. Are you saying that the two issues need not be
> > related and unless I burn out the new bearing, there is no real problem
> > with it being slightly loose in the housing as it relates to the oil
> > seal's ability to do its job?
> >
> > Thank

Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
 

Bill, you need glasses! That seal is outboard of the bearing, same as
mine! The bearing must be pressed off first, then the seal

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> YUP! That's what I'm saying, I've driven over two hundred thousand
> of three on my Bronco front hub with a worn in seat, I just knurl the
> seat a little with a center punch each of over ten times I've repacked
> them since. Your seal is between the bearing and the differential:
> http://----------.com/temp/dana44axle2.pdf So it's one hundred percent
> his fault it leaks!
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Deano wrote:
> >
> > Bill -
> >
> > Thanks for replying. Are you saying that the two issues need not be
> > related and unless I burn out the new bearing, there is no real problem
> > with it being slightly loose in the housing as it relates to the oil
> > seal's ability to do its job?
> >
> > Thank

Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
 

It is simple to check what's up. Just jack up the corner and grab the
back wheel to see how much play is in it. If you can feel up and down
or side to side play, then the bearing is the cause. Then look at the
axle tube just behind the brake plate to see if it has a heat mark on
it. If it does, the bearing is at fault. Either or in those cases.

If however there is no lateral play or obvious overheating, the job is
suspect, not the seal in my opinion.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Deano wrote:
>
> Not to beat a dead horse here guys, but would a loose bearing race
> actually cause a brand new seal to fail within a couple of weeks? Or am
> I likely dealing with two problems:
>
> 1) dealing with the spun bearing
>
> 2) a poorly done seal/bearing job
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> > You're not missing anything Mike.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:4551EFB3.4DDEB4D1@sympatico.ca...
> > > I am missing something there too.....
> > >
> > > 'Every' time a bearing has been spun out on me, the parts need
> > > replacing. If I just put a new one in loose, I don't get 6 months out
> > > of it.
> > >
> > > If it is spun enough to cause seal failure, well......
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > >
> > > Deano wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Bill -
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for replying. Are you saying that the two issues need not be
> > > > related and unless I burn out the new bearing, there is no real problem
> > > > with it being slightly loose in the housing as it relates to the oil
> > > > seal's ability to do its job?
> > > >
> > > > Thank
> > > >
> > > > L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> > > > > Hi Dean,
> > > > > I wouldn't worry about a loose bearing race. And I don't like his
> > > > > idea of spot welding it in, it would be impossible to center it!
> > > > > I'm thinking the seal is his fault, like he laid the full weight
> > of
> > > > > the axle on it as he slid it in. Or maybe the new seal was twenty
> > years
> > > > > old and cracking.
> > > > > http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/axle/superior02/
> > > > > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > >
> > > > > Deano wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just had my 86 cj7 (dana 44 rear) into my local jeep mechanic to
> > > > > > replace my oil seal, bearing, retainer etc, and brake pad on the
> > rear
> > > > > > axle, driver's side. When I picked it up he mentioned that he had
> > > > > > noticed a lot of play when he reinstalled the new axle - he guessed
> > > > > > that a PO had spun a bearing. Basically the bearing was not fitting
> > > > > > tightly into the surrounding housing. He said it seemed ok, but if
> > > > > > there were any problems he may have to spot peen? (weld?) the
> > bearing
> > > > > > to keep it from turning.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As it turns out, it has started leaking again just a few weeks later
> > > > > > and I don't understand whether or not these two issues are or could
> > be
> > > > > > related. He checked the axle for straightness at the time which
> > wasn't
> > > > > > a problem. Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? I
> > will
> > > > > > take it back in, but wanted to have some ideas ahead of time...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dean
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
 

It is simple to check what's up. Just jack up the corner and grab the
back wheel to see how much play is in it. If you can feel up and down
or side to side play, then the bearing is the cause. Then look at the
axle tube just behind the brake plate to see if it has a heat mark on
it. If it does, the bearing is at fault. Either or in those cases.

If however there is no lateral play or obvious overheating, the job is
suspect, not the seal in my opinion.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Deano wrote:
>
> Not to beat a dead horse here guys, but would a loose bearing race
> actually cause a brand new seal to fail within a couple of weeks? Or am
> I likely dealing with two problems:
>
> 1) dealing with the spun bearing
>
> 2) a poorly done seal/bearing job
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> > You're not missing anything Mike.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:4551EFB3.4DDEB4D1@sympatico.ca...
> > > I am missing something there too.....
> > >
> > > 'Every' time a bearing has been spun out on me, the parts need
> > > replacing. If I just put a new one in loose, I don't get 6 months out
> > > of it.
> > >
> > > If it is spun enough to cause seal failure, well......
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > >
> > > Deano wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Bill -
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for replying. Are you saying that the two issues need not be
> > > > related and unless I burn out the new bearing, there is no real problem
> > > > with it being slightly loose in the housing as it relates to the oil
> > > > seal's ability to do its job?
> > > >
> > > > Thank
> > > >
> > > > L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> > > > > Hi Dean,
> > > > > I wouldn't worry about a loose bearing race. And I don't like his
> > > > > idea of spot welding it in, it would be impossible to center it!
> > > > > I'm thinking the seal is his fault, like he laid the full weight
> > of
> > > > > the axle on it as he slid it in. Or maybe the new seal was twenty
> > years
> > > > > old and cracking.
> > > > > http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/axle/superior02/
> > > > > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > >
> > > > > Deano wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just had my 86 cj7 (dana 44 rear) into my local jeep mechanic to
> > > > > > replace my oil seal, bearing, retainer etc, and brake pad on the
> > rear
> > > > > > axle, driver's side. When I picked it up he mentioned that he had
> > > > > > noticed a lot of play when he reinstalled the new axle - he guessed
> > > > > > that a PO had spun a bearing. Basically the bearing was not fitting
> > > > > > tightly into the surrounding housing. He said it seemed ok, but if
> > > > > > there were any problems he may have to spot peen? (weld?) the
> > bearing
> > > > > > to keep it from turning.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As it turns out, it has started leaking again just a few weeks later
> > > > > > and I don't understand whether or not these two issues are or could
> > be
> > > > > > related. He checked the axle for straightness at the time which
> > wasn't
> > > > > > a problem. Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? I
> > will
> > > > > > take it back in, but wanted to have some ideas ahead of time...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dean
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
 

It is simple to check what's up. Just jack up the corner and grab the
back wheel to see how much play is in it. If you can feel up and down
or side to side play, then the bearing is the cause. Then look at the
axle tube just behind the brake plate to see if it has a heat mark on
it. If it does, the bearing is at fault. Either or in those cases.

If however there is no lateral play or obvious overheating, the job is
suspect, not the seal in my opinion.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Deano wrote:
>
> Not to beat a dead horse here guys, but would a loose bearing race
> actually cause a brand new seal to fail within a couple of weeks? Or am
> I likely dealing with two problems:
>
> 1) dealing with the spun bearing
>
> 2) a poorly done seal/bearing job
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> > You're not missing anything Mike.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:4551EFB3.4DDEB4D1@sympatico.ca...
> > > I am missing something there too.....
> > >
> > > 'Every' time a bearing has been spun out on me, the parts need
> > > replacing. If I just put a new one in loose, I don't get 6 months out
> > > of it.
> > >
> > > If it is spun enough to cause seal failure, well......
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > >
> > > Deano wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Bill -
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for replying. Are you saying that the two issues need not be
> > > > related and unless I burn out the new bearing, there is no real problem
> > > > with it being slightly loose in the housing as it relates to the oil
> > > > seal's ability to do its job?
> > > >
> > > > Thank
> > > >
> > > > L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> > > > > Hi Dean,
> > > > > I wouldn't worry about a loose bearing race. And I don't like his
> > > > > idea of spot welding it in, it would be impossible to center it!
> > > > > I'm thinking the seal is his fault, like he laid the full weight
> > of
> > > > > the axle on it as he slid it in. Or maybe the new seal was twenty
> > years
> > > > > old and cracking.
> > > > > http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/axle/superior02/
> > > > > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > >
> > > > > Deano wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just had my 86 cj7 (dana 44 rear) into my local jeep mechanic to
> > > > > > replace my oil seal, bearing, retainer etc, and brake pad on the
> > rear
> > > > > > axle, driver's side. When I picked it up he mentioned that he had
> > > > > > noticed a lot of play when he reinstalled the new axle - he guessed
> > > > > > that a PO had spun a bearing. Basically the bearing was not fitting
> > > > > > tightly into the surrounding housing. He said it seemed ok, but if
> > > > > > there were any problems he may have to spot peen? (weld?) the
> > bearing
> > > > > > to keep it from turning.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As it turns out, it has started leaking again just a few weeks later
> > > > > > and I don't understand whether or not these two issues are or could
> > be
> > > > > > related. He checked the axle for straightness at the time which
> > wasn't
> > > > > > a problem. Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? I
> > will
> > > > > > take it back in, but wanted to have some ideas ahead of time...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dean
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com