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Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
Just had my 86 cj7 (dana 44 rear) into my local jeep mechanic to
replace my oil seal, bearing, retainer etc, and brake pad on the rear axle, driver's side. When I picked it up he mentioned that he had noticed a lot of play when he reinstalled the new axle - he guessed that a PO had spun a bearing. Basically the bearing was not fitting tightly into the surrounding housing. He said it seemed ok, but if there were any problems he may have to spot peen? (weld?) the bearing to keep it from turning. As it turns out, it has started leaking again just a few weeks later and I don't understand whether or not these two issues are or could be related. He checked the axle for straightness at the time which wasn't a problem. Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? I will take it back in, but wanted to have some ideas ahead of time... Dean |
Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
Ouch, the worst nightmare is a spun out bearing! That 'can' mean you
end up needing a new housing or it easily can mean a used one is cheaper than the fixes it might need. Peening means hitting the bearing with a ball peen hammer to make dimples in it. The idea is these dimples will make the bearing appear larger by being bumpy so it might hold in the axle tube. I 'think' there might be a loctite product to help make this band aid hold. If the peening doesn't work, they can take it apart and maybe machine the inside of the tube larger so they can fit a shim sleeve in there to try and hold the bearing in place. I spun a front bearing on my CJ7 and tried the peening, it didn't hold, then just went and got a new spindle. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Deano wrote: > > Just had my 86 cj7 (dana 44 rear) into my local jeep mechanic to > replace my oil seal, bearing, retainer etc, and brake pad on the rear > axle, driver's side. When I picked it up he mentioned that he had > noticed a lot of play when he reinstalled the new axle - he guessed > that a PO had spun a bearing. Basically the bearing was not fitting > tightly into the surrounding housing. He said it seemed ok, but if > there were any problems he may have to spot peen? (weld?) the bearing > to keep it from turning. > > As it turns out, it has started leaking again just a few weeks later > and I don't understand whether or not these two issues are or could be > related. He checked the axle for straightness at the time which wasn't > a problem. Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? I will > take it back in, but wanted to have some ideas ahead of time... > > Dean |
Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
Ouch, the worst nightmare is a spun out bearing! That 'can' mean you
end up needing a new housing or it easily can mean a used one is cheaper than the fixes it might need. Peening means hitting the bearing with a ball peen hammer to make dimples in it. The idea is these dimples will make the bearing appear larger by being bumpy so it might hold in the axle tube. I 'think' there might be a loctite product to help make this band aid hold. If the peening doesn't work, they can take it apart and maybe machine the inside of the tube larger so they can fit a shim sleeve in there to try and hold the bearing in place. I spun a front bearing on my CJ7 and tried the peening, it didn't hold, then just went and got a new spindle. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Deano wrote: > > Just had my 86 cj7 (dana 44 rear) into my local jeep mechanic to > replace my oil seal, bearing, retainer etc, and brake pad on the rear > axle, driver's side. When I picked it up he mentioned that he had > noticed a lot of play when he reinstalled the new axle - he guessed > that a PO had spun a bearing. Basically the bearing was not fitting > tightly into the surrounding housing. He said it seemed ok, but if > there were any problems he may have to spot peen? (weld?) the bearing > to keep it from turning. > > As it turns out, it has started leaking again just a few weeks later > and I don't understand whether or not these two issues are or could be > related. He checked the axle for straightness at the time which wasn't > a problem. Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? I will > take it back in, but wanted to have some ideas ahead of time... > > Dean |
Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
Ouch, the worst nightmare is a spun out bearing! That 'can' mean you
end up needing a new housing or it easily can mean a used one is cheaper than the fixes it might need. Peening means hitting the bearing with a ball peen hammer to make dimples in it. The idea is these dimples will make the bearing appear larger by being bumpy so it might hold in the axle tube. I 'think' there might be a loctite product to help make this band aid hold. If the peening doesn't work, they can take it apart and maybe machine the inside of the tube larger so they can fit a shim sleeve in there to try and hold the bearing in place. I spun a front bearing on my CJ7 and tried the peening, it didn't hold, then just went and got a new spindle. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Deano wrote: > > Just had my 86 cj7 (dana 44 rear) into my local jeep mechanic to > replace my oil seal, bearing, retainer etc, and brake pad on the rear > axle, driver's side. When I picked it up he mentioned that he had > noticed a lot of play when he reinstalled the new axle - he guessed > that a PO had spun a bearing. Basically the bearing was not fitting > tightly into the surrounding housing. He said it seemed ok, but if > there were any problems he may have to spot peen? (weld?) the bearing > to keep it from turning. > > As it turns out, it has started leaking again just a few weeks later > and I don't understand whether or not these two issues are or could be > related. He checked the axle for straightness at the time which wasn't > a problem. Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? I will > take it back in, but wanted to have some ideas ahead of time... > > Dean |
Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
Thanks for the reply, Mike.
(although it doesn't sound good) By the way, why did you get a new spindle? What does that have to do with the fit of the bearing in the housing? Mike Romain wrote: > Ouch, the worst nightmare is a spun out bearing! That 'can' mean you > end up needing a new housing or it easily can mean a used one is cheaper > than the fixes it might need. > > Peening means hitting the bearing with a ball peen hammer to make > dimples in it. The idea is these dimples will make the bearing appear > larger by being bumpy so it might hold in the axle tube. I 'think' > there might be a loctite product to help make this band aid hold. > > If the peening doesn't work, they can take it apart and maybe machine > the inside of the tube larger so they can fit a shim sleeve in there to > try and hold the bearing in place. > > I spun a front bearing on my CJ7 and tried the peening, it didn't hold, > then just went and got a new spindle. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > Deano wrote: > > > > Just had my 86 cj7 (dana 44 rear) into my local jeep mechanic to > > replace my oil seal, bearing, retainer etc, and brake pad on the rear > > axle, driver's side. When I picked it up he mentioned that he had > > noticed a lot of play when he reinstalled the new axle - he guessed > > that a PO had spun a bearing. Basically the bearing was not fitting > > tightly into the surrounding housing. He said it seemed ok, but if > > there were any problems he may have to spot peen? (weld?) the bearing > > to keep it from turning. > > > > As it turns out, it has started leaking again just a few weeks later > > and I don't understand whether or not these two issues are or could be > > related. He checked the axle for straightness at the time which wasn't > > a problem. Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? I will > > take it back in, but wanted to have some ideas ahead of time... > > > > Dean |
Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
Thanks for the reply, Mike.
(although it doesn't sound good) By the way, why did you get a new spindle? What does that have to do with the fit of the bearing in the housing? Mike Romain wrote: > Ouch, the worst nightmare is a spun out bearing! That 'can' mean you > end up needing a new housing or it easily can mean a used one is cheaper > than the fixes it might need. > > Peening means hitting the bearing with a ball peen hammer to make > dimples in it. The idea is these dimples will make the bearing appear > larger by being bumpy so it might hold in the axle tube. I 'think' > there might be a loctite product to help make this band aid hold. > > If the peening doesn't work, they can take it apart and maybe machine > the inside of the tube larger so they can fit a shim sleeve in there to > try and hold the bearing in place. > > I spun a front bearing on my CJ7 and tried the peening, it didn't hold, > then just went and got a new spindle. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > Deano wrote: > > > > Just had my 86 cj7 (dana 44 rear) into my local jeep mechanic to > > replace my oil seal, bearing, retainer etc, and brake pad on the rear > > axle, driver's side. When I picked it up he mentioned that he had > > noticed a lot of play when he reinstalled the new axle - he guessed > > that a PO had spun a bearing. Basically the bearing was not fitting > > tightly into the surrounding housing. He said it seemed ok, but if > > there were any problems he may have to spot peen? (weld?) the bearing > > to keep it from turning. > > > > As it turns out, it has started leaking again just a few weeks later > > and I don't understand whether or not these two issues are or could be > > related. He checked the axle for straightness at the time which wasn't > > a problem. Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? I will > > take it back in, but wanted to have some ideas ahead of time... > > > > Dean |
Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
Thanks for the reply, Mike.
(although it doesn't sound good) By the way, why did you get a new spindle? What does that have to do with the fit of the bearing in the housing? Mike Romain wrote: > Ouch, the worst nightmare is a spun out bearing! That 'can' mean you > end up needing a new housing or it easily can mean a used one is cheaper > than the fixes it might need. > > Peening means hitting the bearing with a ball peen hammer to make > dimples in it. The idea is these dimples will make the bearing appear > larger by being bumpy so it might hold in the axle tube. I 'think' > there might be a loctite product to help make this band aid hold. > > If the peening doesn't work, they can take it apart and maybe machine > the inside of the tube larger so they can fit a shim sleeve in there to > try and hold the bearing in place. > > I spun a front bearing on my CJ7 and tried the peening, it didn't hold, > then just went and got a new spindle. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > Deano wrote: > > > > Just had my 86 cj7 (dana 44 rear) into my local jeep mechanic to > > replace my oil seal, bearing, retainer etc, and brake pad on the rear > > axle, driver's side. When I picked it up he mentioned that he had > > noticed a lot of play when he reinstalled the new axle - he guessed > > that a PO had spun a bearing. Basically the bearing was not fitting > > tightly into the surrounding housing. He said it seemed ok, but if > > there were any problems he may have to spot peen? (weld?) the bearing > > to keep it from turning. > > > > As it turns out, it has started leaking again just a few weeks later > > and I don't understand whether or not these two issues are or could be > > related. He checked the axle for straightness at the time which wasn't > > a problem. Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? I will > > take it back in, but wanted to have some ideas ahead of time... > > > > Dean |
Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
The 'front' wheel bearing in a CJ7 rides on a spindle like the rear one
rides on the axle. If you spin either bearing on the 'inside' it burn the axle or spindle out. If the outside spins, then you need a new hub (or tube). I have had that happen too, the hub. In your case it is the rear and the outside that sounds spun so worst case is you need a whole new or used rear end or at least the tube on one side. 'Sometimes' peening can work.... Sometimes a used rear end is 'way' cheaper than fixing what you have.... Mike Deano wrote: > > Thanks for the reply, Mike. > > (although it doesn't sound good) > > By the way, why did you get a new spindle? What does that have to do > with the fit of the bearing in the housing? > > Mike Romain wrote: > > Ouch, the worst nightmare is a spun out bearing! That 'can' mean you > > end up needing a new housing or it easily can mean a used one is cheaper > > than the fixes it might need. > > > > Peening means hitting the bearing with a ball peen hammer to make > > dimples in it. The idea is these dimples will make the bearing appear > > larger by being bumpy so it might hold in the axle tube. I 'think' > > there might be a loctite product to help make this band aid hold. > > > > If the peening doesn't work, they can take it apart and maybe machine > > the inside of the tube larger so they can fit a shim sleeve in there to > > try and hold the bearing in place. > > > > I spun a front bearing on my CJ7 and tried the peening, it didn't hold, > > then just went and got a new spindle. > > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > > Deano wrote: > > > > > > Just had my 86 cj7 (dana 44 rear) into my local jeep mechanic to > > > replace my oil seal, bearing, retainer etc, and brake pad on the rear > > > axle, driver's side. When I picked it up he mentioned that he had > > > noticed a lot of play when he reinstalled the new axle - he guessed > > > that a PO had spun a bearing. Basically the bearing was not fitting > > > tightly into the surrounding housing. He said it seemed ok, but if > > > there were any problems he may have to spot peen? (weld?) the bearing > > > to keep it from turning. > > > > > > As it turns out, it has started leaking again just a few weeks later > > > and I don't understand whether or not these two issues are or could be > > > related. He checked the axle for straightness at the time which wasn't > > > a problem. Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? I will > > > take it back in, but wanted to have some ideas ahead of time... > > > > > > Dean |
Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
The 'front' wheel bearing in a CJ7 rides on a spindle like the rear one
rides on the axle. If you spin either bearing on the 'inside' it burn the axle or spindle out. If the outside spins, then you need a new hub (or tube). I have had that happen too, the hub. In your case it is the rear and the outside that sounds spun so worst case is you need a whole new or used rear end or at least the tube on one side. 'Sometimes' peening can work.... Sometimes a used rear end is 'way' cheaper than fixing what you have.... Mike Deano wrote: > > Thanks for the reply, Mike. > > (although it doesn't sound good) > > By the way, why did you get a new spindle? What does that have to do > with the fit of the bearing in the housing? > > Mike Romain wrote: > > Ouch, the worst nightmare is a spun out bearing! That 'can' mean you > > end up needing a new housing or it easily can mean a used one is cheaper > > than the fixes it might need. > > > > Peening means hitting the bearing with a ball peen hammer to make > > dimples in it. The idea is these dimples will make the bearing appear > > larger by being bumpy so it might hold in the axle tube. I 'think' > > there might be a loctite product to help make this band aid hold. > > > > If the peening doesn't work, they can take it apart and maybe machine > > the inside of the tube larger so they can fit a shim sleeve in there to > > try and hold the bearing in place. > > > > I spun a front bearing on my CJ7 and tried the peening, it didn't hold, > > then just went and got a new spindle. > > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > > Deano wrote: > > > > > > Just had my 86 cj7 (dana 44 rear) into my local jeep mechanic to > > > replace my oil seal, bearing, retainer etc, and brake pad on the rear > > > axle, driver's side. When I picked it up he mentioned that he had > > > noticed a lot of play when he reinstalled the new axle - he guessed > > > that a PO had spun a bearing. Basically the bearing was not fitting > > > tightly into the surrounding housing. He said it seemed ok, but if > > > there were any problems he may have to spot peen? (weld?) the bearing > > > to keep it from turning. > > > > > > As it turns out, it has started leaking again just a few weeks later > > > and I don't understand whether or not these two issues are or could be > > > related. He checked the axle for straightness at the time which wasn't > > > a problem. Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? I will > > > take it back in, but wanted to have some ideas ahead of time... > > > > > > Dean |
Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
The 'front' wheel bearing in a CJ7 rides on a spindle like the rear one
rides on the axle. If you spin either bearing on the 'inside' it burn the axle or spindle out. If the outside spins, then you need a new hub (or tube). I have had that happen too, the hub. In your case it is the rear and the outside that sounds spun so worst case is you need a whole new or used rear end or at least the tube on one side. 'Sometimes' peening can work.... Sometimes a used rear end is 'way' cheaper than fixing what you have.... Mike Deano wrote: > > Thanks for the reply, Mike. > > (although it doesn't sound good) > > By the way, why did you get a new spindle? What does that have to do > with the fit of the bearing in the housing? > > Mike Romain wrote: > > Ouch, the worst nightmare is a spun out bearing! That 'can' mean you > > end up needing a new housing or it easily can mean a used one is cheaper > > than the fixes it might need. > > > > Peening means hitting the bearing with a ball peen hammer to make > > dimples in it. The idea is these dimples will make the bearing appear > > larger by being bumpy so it might hold in the axle tube. I 'think' > > there might be a loctite product to help make this band aid hold. > > > > If the peening doesn't work, they can take it apart and maybe machine > > the inside of the tube larger so they can fit a shim sleeve in there to > > try and hold the bearing in place. > > > > I spun a front bearing on my CJ7 and tried the peening, it didn't hold, > > then just went and got a new spindle. > > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > > Deano wrote: > > > > > > Just had my 86 cj7 (dana 44 rear) into my local jeep mechanic to > > > replace my oil seal, bearing, retainer etc, and brake pad on the rear > > > axle, driver's side. When I picked it up he mentioned that he had > > > noticed a lot of play when he reinstalled the new axle - he guessed > > > that a PO had spun a bearing. Basically the bearing was not fitting > > > tightly into the surrounding housing. He said it seemed ok, but if > > > there were any problems he may have to spot peen? (weld?) the bearing > > > to keep it from turning. > > > > > > As it turns out, it has started leaking again just a few weeks later > > > and I don't understand whether or not these two issues are or could be > > > related. He checked the axle for straightness at the time which wasn't > > > a problem. Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? I will > > > take it back in, but wanted to have some ideas ahead of time... > > > > > > Dean |
Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
Lock Tite Sleeve Locker, a weld bead in the housing or beer can shims. Like
Mike says, you may wind up getting a new axle housing. Good luck. Earle "Deano" <dpernisie@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1162901734.157069.146830@h48g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com... > Just had my 86 cj7 (dana 44 rear) into my local jeep mechanic to > replace my oil seal, bearing, retainer etc, and brake pad on the rear > axle, driver's side. When I picked it up he mentioned that he had > noticed a lot of play when he reinstalled the new axle - he guessed > that a PO had spun a bearing. Basically the bearing was not fitting > tightly into the surrounding housing. He said it seemed ok, but if > there were any problems he may have to spot peen? (weld?) the bearing > to keep it from turning. > > As it turns out, it has started leaking again just a few weeks later > and I don't understand whether or not these two issues are or could be > related. He checked the axle for straightness at the time which wasn't > a problem. Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? I will > take it back in, but wanted to have some ideas ahead of time... > > Dean > -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
Lock Tite Sleeve Locker, a weld bead in the housing or beer can shims. Like
Mike says, you may wind up getting a new axle housing. Good luck. Earle "Deano" <dpernisie@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1162901734.157069.146830@h48g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com... > Just had my 86 cj7 (dana 44 rear) into my local jeep mechanic to > replace my oil seal, bearing, retainer etc, and brake pad on the rear > axle, driver's side. When I picked it up he mentioned that he had > noticed a lot of play when he reinstalled the new axle - he guessed > that a PO had spun a bearing. Basically the bearing was not fitting > tightly into the surrounding housing. He said it seemed ok, but if > there were any problems he may have to spot peen? (weld?) the bearing > to keep it from turning. > > As it turns out, it has started leaking again just a few weeks later > and I don't understand whether or not these two issues are or could be > related. He checked the axle for straightness at the time which wasn't > a problem. Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? I will > take it back in, but wanted to have some ideas ahead of time... > > Dean > -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
Lock Tite Sleeve Locker, a weld bead in the housing or beer can shims. Like
Mike says, you may wind up getting a new axle housing. Good luck. Earle "Deano" <dpernisie@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1162901734.157069.146830@h48g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com... > Just had my 86 cj7 (dana 44 rear) into my local jeep mechanic to > replace my oil seal, bearing, retainer etc, and brake pad on the rear > axle, driver's side. When I picked it up he mentioned that he had > noticed a lot of play when he reinstalled the new axle - he guessed > that a PO had spun a bearing. Basically the bearing was not fitting > tightly into the surrounding housing. He said it seemed ok, but if > there were any problems he may have to spot peen? (weld?) the bearing > to keep it from turning. > > As it turns out, it has started leaking again just a few weeks later > and I don't understand whether or not these two issues are or could be > related. He checked the axle for straightness at the time which wasn't > a problem. Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? I will > take it back in, but wanted to have some ideas ahead of time... > > Dean > -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
Thanks for the advice, guys.
Earle Horton wrote: > Lock Tite Sleeve Locker, a weld bead in the housing or beer can shims. Like > Mike says, you may wind up getting a new axle housing. > > Good luck. > > Earle > > "Deano" <dpernisie@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1162901734.157069.146830@h48g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com... > > Just had my 86 cj7 (dana 44 rear) into my local jeep mechanic to > > replace my oil seal, bearing, retainer etc, and brake pad on the rear > > axle, driver's side. When I picked it up he mentioned that he had > > noticed a lot of play when he reinstalled the new axle - he guessed > > that a PO had spun a bearing. Basically the bearing was not fitting > > tightly into the surrounding housing. He said it seemed ok, but if > > there were any problems he may have to spot peen? (weld?) the bearing > > to keep it from turning. > > > > As it turns out, it has started leaking again just a few weeks later > > and I don't understand whether or not these two issues are or could be > > related. He checked the axle for straightness at the time which wasn't > > a problem. Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? I will > > take it back in, but wanted to have some ideas ahead of time... > > > > Dean > > > > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
Thanks for the advice, guys.
Earle Horton wrote: > Lock Tite Sleeve Locker, a weld bead in the housing or beer can shims. Like > Mike says, you may wind up getting a new axle housing. > > Good luck. > > Earle > > "Deano" <dpernisie@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1162901734.157069.146830@h48g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com... > > Just had my 86 cj7 (dana 44 rear) into my local jeep mechanic to > > replace my oil seal, bearing, retainer etc, and brake pad on the rear > > axle, driver's side. When I picked it up he mentioned that he had > > noticed a lot of play when he reinstalled the new axle - he guessed > > that a PO had spun a bearing. Basically the bearing was not fitting > > tightly into the surrounding housing. He said it seemed ok, but if > > there were any problems he may have to spot peen? (weld?) the bearing > > to keep it from turning. > > > > As it turns out, it has started leaking again just a few weeks later > > and I don't understand whether or not these two issues are or could be > > related. He checked the axle for straightness at the time which wasn't > > a problem. Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? I will > > take it back in, but wanted to have some ideas ahead of time... > > > > Dean > > > > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
Thanks for the advice, guys.
Earle Horton wrote: > Lock Tite Sleeve Locker, a weld bead in the housing or beer can shims. Like > Mike says, you may wind up getting a new axle housing. > > Good luck. > > Earle > > "Deano" <dpernisie@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1162901734.157069.146830@h48g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com... > > Just had my 86 cj7 (dana 44 rear) into my local jeep mechanic to > > replace my oil seal, bearing, retainer etc, and brake pad on the rear > > axle, driver's side. When I picked it up he mentioned that he had > > noticed a lot of play when he reinstalled the new axle - he guessed > > that a PO had spun a bearing. Basically the bearing was not fitting > > tightly into the surrounding housing. He said it seemed ok, but if > > there were any problems he may have to spot peen? (weld?) the bearing > > to keep it from turning. > > > > As it turns out, it has started leaking again just a few weeks later > > and I don't understand whether or not these two issues are or could be > > related. He checked the axle for straightness at the time which wasn't > > a problem. Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? I will > > take it back in, but wanted to have some ideas ahead of time... > > > > Dean > > > > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
Hi Dean,
I wouldn't worry about a loose bearing race. And I don't like his idea of spot welding it in, it would be impossible to center it! I'm thinking the seal is his fault, like he laid the full weight of the axle on it as he slid it in. Or maybe the new seal was twenty years old and cracking. http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/axle/superior02/ God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Deano wrote: > > Just had my 86 cj7 (dana 44 rear) into my local jeep mechanic to > replace my oil seal, bearing, retainer etc, and brake pad on the rear > axle, driver's side. When I picked it up he mentioned that he had > noticed a lot of play when he reinstalled the new axle - he guessed > that a PO had spun a bearing. Basically the bearing was not fitting > tightly into the surrounding housing. He said it seemed ok, but if > there were any problems he may have to spot peen? (weld?) the bearing > to keep it from turning. > > As it turns out, it has started leaking again just a few weeks later > and I don't understand whether or not these two issues are or could be > related. He checked the axle for straightness at the time which wasn't > a problem. Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? I will > take it back in, but wanted to have some ideas ahead of time... > > Dean |
Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
Hi Dean,
I wouldn't worry about a loose bearing race. And I don't like his idea of spot welding it in, it would be impossible to center it! I'm thinking the seal is his fault, like he laid the full weight of the axle on it as he slid it in. Or maybe the new seal was twenty years old and cracking. http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/axle/superior02/ God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Deano wrote: > > Just had my 86 cj7 (dana 44 rear) into my local jeep mechanic to > replace my oil seal, bearing, retainer etc, and brake pad on the rear > axle, driver's side. When I picked it up he mentioned that he had > noticed a lot of play when he reinstalled the new axle - he guessed > that a PO had spun a bearing. Basically the bearing was not fitting > tightly into the surrounding housing. He said it seemed ok, but if > there were any problems he may have to spot peen? (weld?) the bearing > to keep it from turning. > > As it turns out, it has started leaking again just a few weeks later > and I don't understand whether or not these two issues are or could be > related. He checked the axle for straightness at the time which wasn't > a problem. Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? I will > take it back in, but wanted to have some ideas ahead of time... > > Dean |
Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
Hi Dean,
I wouldn't worry about a loose bearing race. And I don't like his idea of spot welding it in, it would be impossible to center it! I'm thinking the seal is his fault, like he laid the full weight of the axle on it as he slid it in. Or maybe the new seal was twenty years old and cracking. http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/axle/superior02/ God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Deano wrote: > > Just had my 86 cj7 (dana 44 rear) into my local jeep mechanic to > replace my oil seal, bearing, retainer etc, and brake pad on the rear > axle, driver's side. When I picked it up he mentioned that he had > noticed a lot of play when he reinstalled the new axle - he guessed > that a PO had spun a bearing. Basically the bearing was not fitting > tightly into the surrounding housing. He said it seemed ok, but if > there were any problems he may have to spot peen? (weld?) the bearing > to keep it from turning. > > As it turns out, it has started leaking again just a few weeks later > and I don't understand whether or not these two issues are or could be > related. He checked the axle for straightness at the time which wasn't > a problem. Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? I will > take it back in, but wanted to have some ideas ahead of time... > > Dean |
Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
Bill -
Thanks for replying. Are you saying that the two issues need not be related and unless I burn out the new bearing, there is no real problem with it being slightly loose in the housing as it relates to the oil seal's ability to do its job? Thank L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote: > Hi Dean, > I wouldn't worry about a loose bearing race. And I don't like his > idea of spot welding it in, it would be impossible to center it! > I'm thinking the seal is his fault, like he laid the full weight of > the axle on it as he slid it in. Or maybe the new seal was twenty years > old and cracking. > http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/axle/superior02/ > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > Deano wrote: > > > > Just had my 86 cj7 (dana 44 rear) into my local jeep mechanic to > > replace my oil seal, bearing, retainer etc, and brake pad on the rear > > axle, driver's side. When I picked it up he mentioned that he had > > noticed a lot of play when he reinstalled the new axle - he guessed > > that a PO had spun a bearing. Basically the bearing was not fitting > > tightly into the surrounding housing. He said it seemed ok, but if > > there were any problems he may have to spot peen? (weld?) the bearing > > to keep it from turning. > > > > As it turns out, it has started leaking again just a few weeks later > > and I don't understand whether or not these two issues are or could be > > related. He checked the axle for straightness at the time which wasn't > > a problem. Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? I will > > take it back in, but wanted to have some ideas ahead of time... > > > > Dean |
Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
Bill -
Thanks for replying. Are you saying that the two issues need not be related and unless I burn out the new bearing, there is no real problem with it being slightly loose in the housing as it relates to the oil seal's ability to do its job? Thank L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote: > Hi Dean, > I wouldn't worry about a loose bearing race. And I don't like his > idea of spot welding it in, it would be impossible to center it! > I'm thinking the seal is his fault, like he laid the full weight of > the axle on it as he slid it in. Or maybe the new seal was twenty years > old and cracking. > http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/axle/superior02/ > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > Deano wrote: > > > > Just had my 86 cj7 (dana 44 rear) into my local jeep mechanic to > > replace my oil seal, bearing, retainer etc, and brake pad on the rear > > axle, driver's side. When I picked it up he mentioned that he had > > noticed a lot of play when he reinstalled the new axle - he guessed > > that a PO had spun a bearing. Basically the bearing was not fitting > > tightly into the surrounding housing. He said it seemed ok, but if > > there were any problems he may have to spot peen? (weld?) the bearing > > to keep it from turning. > > > > As it turns out, it has started leaking again just a few weeks later > > and I don't understand whether or not these two issues are or could be > > related. He checked the axle for straightness at the time which wasn't > > a problem. Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? I will > > take it back in, but wanted to have some ideas ahead of time... > > > > Dean |
Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
Bill -
Thanks for replying. Are you saying that the two issues need not be related and unless I burn out the new bearing, there is no real problem with it being slightly loose in the housing as it relates to the oil seal's ability to do its job? Thank L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote: > Hi Dean, > I wouldn't worry about a loose bearing race. And I don't like his > idea of spot welding it in, it would be impossible to center it! > I'm thinking the seal is his fault, like he laid the full weight of > the axle on it as he slid it in. Or maybe the new seal was twenty years > old and cracking. > http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/axle/superior02/ > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > Deano wrote: > > > > Just had my 86 cj7 (dana 44 rear) into my local jeep mechanic to > > replace my oil seal, bearing, retainer etc, and brake pad on the rear > > axle, driver's side. When I picked it up he mentioned that he had > > noticed a lot of play when he reinstalled the new axle - he guessed > > that a PO had spun a bearing. Basically the bearing was not fitting > > tightly into the surrounding housing. He said it seemed ok, but if > > there were any problems he may have to spot peen? (weld?) the bearing > > to keep it from turning. > > > > As it turns out, it has started leaking again just a few weeks later > > and I don't understand whether or not these two issues are or could be > > related. He checked the axle for straightness at the time which wasn't > > a problem. Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? I will > > take it back in, but wanted to have some ideas ahead of time... > > > > Dean |
Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
I am missing something there too.....
'Every' time a bearing has been spun out on me, the parts need replacing. If I just put a new one in loose, I don't get 6 months out of it. If it is spun enough to cause seal failure, well...... Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Deano wrote: > > Bill - > > Thanks for replying. Are you saying that the two issues need not be > related and unless I burn out the new bearing, there is no real problem > with it being slightly loose in the housing as it relates to the oil > seal's ability to do its job? > > Thank > > L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote: > > Hi Dean, > > I wouldn't worry about a loose bearing race. And I don't like his > > idea of spot welding it in, it would be impossible to center it! > > I'm thinking the seal is his fault, like he laid the full weight of > > the axle on it as he slid it in. Or maybe the new seal was twenty years > > old and cracking. > > http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/axle/superior02/ > > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > > > Deano wrote: > > > > > > Just had my 86 cj7 (dana 44 rear) into my local jeep mechanic to > > > replace my oil seal, bearing, retainer etc, and brake pad on the rear > > > axle, driver's side. When I picked it up he mentioned that he had > > > noticed a lot of play when he reinstalled the new axle - he guessed > > > that a PO had spun a bearing. Basically the bearing was not fitting > > > tightly into the surrounding housing. He said it seemed ok, but if > > > there were any problems he may have to spot peen? (weld?) the bearing > > > to keep it from turning. > > > > > > As it turns out, it has started leaking again just a few weeks later > > > and I don't understand whether or not these two issues are or could be > > > related. He checked the axle for straightness at the time which wasn't > > > a problem. Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? I will > > > take it back in, but wanted to have some ideas ahead of time... > > > > > > Dean |
Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
I am missing something there too.....
'Every' time a bearing has been spun out on me, the parts need replacing. If I just put a new one in loose, I don't get 6 months out of it. If it is spun enough to cause seal failure, well...... Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Deano wrote: > > Bill - > > Thanks for replying. Are you saying that the two issues need not be > related and unless I burn out the new bearing, there is no real problem > with it being slightly loose in the housing as it relates to the oil > seal's ability to do its job? > > Thank > > L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote: > > Hi Dean, > > I wouldn't worry about a loose bearing race. And I don't like his > > idea of spot welding it in, it would be impossible to center it! > > I'm thinking the seal is his fault, like he laid the full weight of > > the axle on it as he slid it in. Or maybe the new seal was twenty years > > old and cracking. > > http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/axle/superior02/ > > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > > > Deano wrote: > > > > > > Just had my 86 cj7 (dana 44 rear) into my local jeep mechanic to > > > replace my oil seal, bearing, retainer etc, and brake pad on the rear > > > axle, driver's side. When I picked it up he mentioned that he had > > > noticed a lot of play when he reinstalled the new axle - he guessed > > > that a PO had spun a bearing. Basically the bearing was not fitting > > > tightly into the surrounding housing. He said it seemed ok, but if > > > there were any problems he may have to spot peen? (weld?) the bearing > > > to keep it from turning. > > > > > > As it turns out, it has started leaking again just a few weeks later > > > and I don't understand whether or not these two issues are or could be > > > related. He checked the axle for straightness at the time which wasn't > > > a problem. Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? I will > > > take it back in, but wanted to have some ideas ahead of time... > > > > > > Dean |
Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
I am missing something there too.....
'Every' time a bearing has been spun out on me, the parts need replacing. If I just put a new one in loose, I don't get 6 months out of it. If it is spun enough to cause seal failure, well...... Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Deano wrote: > > Bill - > > Thanks for replying. Are you saying that the two issues need not be > related and unless I burn out the new bearing, there is no real problem > with it being slightly loose in the housing as it relates to the oil > seal's ability to do its job? > > Thank > > L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote: > > Hi Dean, > > I wouldn't worry about a loose bearing race. And I don't like his > > idea of spot welding it in, it would be impossible to center it! > > I'm thinking the seal is his fault, like he laid the full weight of > > the axle on it as he slid it in. Or maybe the new seal was twenty years > > old and cracking. > > http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/axle/superior02/ > > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > > > Deano wrote: > > > > > > Just had my 86 cj7 (dana 44 rear) into my local jeep mechanic to > > > replace my oil seal, bearing, retainer etc, and brake pad on the rear > > > axle, driver's side. When I picked it up he mentioned that he had > > > noticed a lot of play when he reinstalled the new axle - he guessed > > > that a PO had spun a bearing. Basically the bearing was not fitting > > > tightly into the surrounding housing. He said it seemed ok, but if > > > there were any problems he may have to spot peen? (weld?) the bearing > > > to keep it from turning. > > > > > > As it turns out, it has started leaking again just a few weeks later > > > and I don't understand whether or not these two issues are or could be > > > related. He checked the axle for straightness at the time which wasn't > > > a problem. Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? I will > > > take it back in, but wanted to have some ideas ahead of time... > > > > > > Dean |
Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
You're not missing anything Mike.
Earle "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:4551EFB3.4DDEB4D1@sympatico.ca... > I am missing something there too..... > > 'Every' time a bearing has been spun out on me, the parts need > replacing. If I just put a new one in loose, I don't get 6 months out > of it. > > If it is spun enough to cause seal failure, well...... > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > Deano wrote: > > > > Bill - > > > > Thanks for replying. Are you saying that the two issues need not be > > related and unless I burn out the new bearing, there is no real problem > > with it being slightly loose in the housing as it relates to the oil > > seal's ability to do its job? > > > > Thank > > > > L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote: > > > Hi Dean, > > > I wouldn't worry about a loose bearing race. And I don't like his > > > idea of spot welding it in, it would be impossible to center it! > > > I'm thinking the seal is his fault, like he laid the full weight of > > > the axle on it as he slid it in. Or maybe the new seal was twenty years > > > old and cracking. > > > http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/axle/superior02/ > > > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > > > > > Deano wrote: > > > > > > > > Just had my 86 cj7 (dana 44 rear) into my local jeep mechanic to > > > > replace my oil seal, bearing, retainer etc, and brake pad on the rear > > > > axle, driver's side. When I picked it up he mentioned that he had > > > > noticed a lot of play when he reinstalled the new axle - he guessed > > > > that a PO had spun a bearing. Basically the bearing was not fitting > > > > tightly into the surrounding housing. He said it seemed ok, but if > > > > there were any problems he may have to spot peen? (weld?) the bearing > > > > to keep it from turning. > > > > > > > > As it turns out, it has started leaking again just a few weeks later > > > > and I don't understand whether or not these two issues are or could be > > > > related. He checked the axle for straightness at the time which wasn't > > > > a problem. Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? I will > > > > take it back in, but wanted to have some ideas ahead of time... > > > > > > > > Dean -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
You're not missing anything Mike.
Earle "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:4551EFB3.4DDEB4D1@sympatico.ca... > I am missing something there too..... > > 'Every' time a bearing has been spun out on me, the parts need > replacing. If I just put a new one in loose, I don't get 6 months out > of it. > > If it is spun enough to cause seal failure, well...... > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > Deano wrote: > > > > Bill - > > > > Thanks for replying. Are you saying that the two issues need not be > > related and unless I burn out the new bearing, there is no real problem > > with it being slightly loose in the housing as it relates to the oil > > seal's ability to do its job? > > > > Thank > > > > L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote: > > > Hi Dean, > > > I wouldn't worry about a loose bearing race. And I don't like his > > > idea of spot welding it in, it would be impossible to center it! > > > I'm thinking the seal is his fault, like he laid the full weight of > > > the axle on it as he slid it in. Or maybe the new seal was twenty years > > > old and cracking. > > > http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/axle/superior02/ > > > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > > > > > Deano wrote: > > > > > > > > Just had my 86 cj7 (dana 44 rear) into my local jeep mechanic to > > > > replace my oil seal, bearing, retainer etc, and brake pad on the rear > > > > axle, driver's side. When I picked it up he mentioned that he had > > > > noticed a lot of play when he reinstalled the new axle - he guessed > > > > that a PO had spun a bearing. Basically the bearing was not fitting > > > > tightly into the surrounding housing. He said it seemed ok, but if > > > > there were any problems he may have to spot peen? (weld?) the bearing > > > > to keep it from turning. > > > > > > > > As it turns out, it has started leaking again just a few weeks later > > > > and I don't understand whether or not these two issues are or could be > > > > related. He checked the axle for straightness at the time which wasn't > > > > a problem. Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? I will > > > > take it back in, but wanted to have some ideas ahead of time... > > > > > > > > Dean -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
You're not missing anything Mike.
Earle "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:4551EFB3.4DDEB4D1@sympatico.ca... > I am missing something there too..... > > 'Every' time a bearing has been spun out on me, the parts need > replacing. If I just put a new one in loose, I don't get 6 months out > of it. > > If it is spun enough to cause seal failure, well...... > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > Deano wrote: > > > > Bill - > > > > Thanks for replying. Are you saying that the two issues need not be > > related and unless I burn out the new bearing, there is no real problem > > with it being slightly loose in the housing as it relates to the oil > > seal's ability to do its job? > > > > Thank > > > > L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote: > > > Hi Dean, > > > I wouldn't worry about a loose bearing race. And I don't like his > > > idea of spot welding it in, it would be impossible to center it! > > > I'm thinking the seal is his fault, like he laid the full weight of > > > the axle on it as he slid it in. Or maybe the new seal was twenty years > > > old and cracking. > > > http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/axle/superior02/ > > > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > > > > > Deano wrote: > > > > > > > > Just had my 86 cj7 (dana 44 rear) into my local jeep mechanic to > > > > replace my oil seal, bearing, retainer etc, and brake pad on the rear > > > > axle, driver's side. When I picked it up he mentioned that he had > > > > noticed a lot of play when he reinstalled the new axle - he guessed > > > > that a PO had spun a bearing. Basically the bearing was not fitting > > > > tightly into the surrounding housing. He said it seemed ok, but if > > > > there were any problems he may have to spot peen? (weld?) the bearing > > > > to keep it from turning. > > > > > > > > As it turns out, it has started leaking again just a few weeks later > > > > and I don't understand whether or not these two issues are or could be > > > > related. He checked the axle for straightness at the time which wasn't > > > > a problem. Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? I will > > > > take it back in, but wanted to have some ideas ahead of time... > > > > > > > > Dean -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
Not to beat a dead horse here guys, but would a loose bearing race
actually cause a brand new seal to fail within a couple of weeks? Or am I likely dealing with two problems: 1) dealing with the spun bearing 2) a poorly done seal/bearing job Earle Horton wrote: > You're not missing anything Mike. > > Earle > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:4551EFB3.4DDEB4D1@sympatico.ca... > > I am missing something there too..... > > > > 'Every' time a bearing has been spun out on me, the parts need > > replacing. If I just put a new one in loose, I don't get 6 months out > > of it. > > > > If it is spun enough to cause seal failure, well...... > > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > > Deano wrote: > > > > > > Bill - > > > > > > Thanks for replying. Are you saying that the two issues need not be > > > related and unless I burn out the new bearing, there is no real problem > > > with it being slightly loose in the housing as it relates to the oil > > > seal's ability to do its job? > > > > > > Thank > > > > > > L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote: > > > > Hi Dean, > > > > I wouldn't worry about a loose bearing race. And I don't like his > > > > idea of spot welding it in, it would be impossible to center it! > > > > I'm thinking the seal is his fault, like he laid the full weight > of > > > > the axle on it as he slid it in. Or maybe the new seal was twenty > years > > > > old and cracking. > > > > http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/axle/superior02/ > > > > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > > > > > > > Deano wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Just had my 86 cj7 (dana 44 rear) into my local jeep mechanic to > > > > > replace my oil seal, bearing, retainer etc, and brake pad on the > rear > > > > > axle, driver's side. When I picked it up he mentioned that he had > > > > > noticed a lot of play when he reinstalled the new axle - he guessed > > > > > that a PO had spun a bearing. Basically the bearing was not fitting > > > > > tightly into the surrounding housing. He said it seemed ok, but if > > > > > there were any problems he may have to spot peen? (weld?) the > bearing > > > > > to keep it from turning. > > > > > > > > > > As it turns out, it has started leaking again just a few weeks later > > > > > and I don't understand whether or not these two issues are or could > be > > > > > related. He checked the axle for straightness at the time which > wasn't > > > > > a problem. Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? I > will > > > > > take it back in, but wanted to have some ideas ahead of time... > > > > > > > > > > Dean > > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
Not to beat a dead horse here guys, but would a loose bearing race
actually cause a brand new seal to fail within a couple of weeks? Or am I likely dealing with two problems: 1) dealing with the spun bearing 2) a poorly done seal/bearing job Earle Horton wrote: > You're not missing anything Mike. > > Earle > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:4551EFB3.4DDEB4D1@sympatico.ca... > > I am missing something there too..... > > > > 'Every' time a bearing has been spun out on me, the parts need > > replacing. If I just put a new one in loose, I don't get 6 months out > > of it. > > > > If it is spun enough to cause seal failure, well...... > > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > > Deano wrote: > > > > > > Bill - > > > > > > Thanks for replying. Are you saying that the two issues need not be > > > related and unless I burn out the new bearing, there is no real problem > > > with it being slightly loose in the housing as it relates to the oil > > > seal's ability to do its job? > > > > > > Thank > > > > > > L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote: > > > > Hi Dean, > > > > I wouldn't worry about a loose bearing race. And I don't like his > > > > idea of spot welding it in, it would be impossible to center it! > > > > I'm thinking the seal is his fault, like he laid the full weight > of > > > > the axle on it as he slid it in. Or maybe the new seal was twenty > years > > > > old and cracking. > > > > http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/axle/superior02/ > > > > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > > > > > > > Deano wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Just had my 86 cj7 (dana 44 rear) into my local jeep mechanic to > > > > > replace my oil seal, bearing, retainer etc, and brake pad on the > rear > > > > > axle, driver's side. When I picked it up he mentioned that he had > > > > > noticed a lot of play when he reinstalled the new axle - he guessed > > > > > that a PO had spun a bearing. Basically the bearing was not fitting > > > > > tightly into the surrounding housing. He said it seemed ok, but if > > > > > there were any problems he may have to spot peen? (weld?) the > bearing > > > > > to keep it from turning. > > > > > > > > > > As it turns out, it has started leaking again just a few weeks later > > > > > and I don't understand whether or not these two issues are or could > be > > > > > related. He checked the axle for straightness at the time which > wasn't > > > > > a problem. Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? I > will > > > > > take it back in, but wanted to have some ideas ahead of time... > > > > > > > > > > Dean > > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
Not to beat a dead horse here guys, but would a loose bearing race
actually cause a brand new seal to fail within a couple of weeks? Or am I likely dealing with two problems: 1) dealing with the spun bearing 2) a poorly done seal/bearing job Earle Horton wrote: > You're not missing anything Mike. > > Earle > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:4551EFB3.4DDEB4D1@sympatico.ca... > > I am missing something there too..... > > > > 'Every' time a bearing has been spun out on me, the parts need > > replacing. If I just put a new one in loose, I don't get 6 months out > > of it. > > > > If it is spun enough to cause seal failure, well...... > > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > > Deano wrote: > > > > > > Bill - > > > > > > Thanks for replying. Are you saying that the two issues need not be > > > related and unless I burn out the new bearing, there is no real problem > > > with it being slightly loose in the housing as it relates to the oil > > > seal's ability to do its job? > > > > > > Thank > > > > > > L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote: > > > > Hi Dean, > > > > I wouldn't worry about a loose bearing race. And I don't like his > > > > idea of spot welding it in, it would be impossible to center it! > > > > I'm thinking the seal is his fault, like he laid the full weight > of > > > > the axle on it as he slid it in. Or maybe the new seal was twenty > years > > > > old and cracking. > > > > http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/axle/superior02/ > > > > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > > > > > > > Deano wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Just had my 86 cj7 (dana 44 rear) into my local jeep mechanic to > > > > > replace my oil seal, bearing, retainer etc, and brake pad on the > rear > > > > > axle, driver's side. When I picked it up he mentioned that he had > > > > > noticed a lot of play when he reinstalled the new axle - he guessed > > > > > that a PO had spun a bearing. Basically the bearing was not fitting > > > > > tightly into the surrounding housing. He said it seemed ok, but if > > > > > there were any problems he may have to spot peen? (weld?) the > bearing > > > > > to keep it from turning. > > > > > > > > > > As it turns out, it has started leaking again just a few weeks later > > > > > and I don't understand whether or not these two issues are or could > be > > > > > related. He checked the axle for straightness at the time which > wasn't > > > > > a problem. Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? I > will > > > > > take it back in, but wanted to have some ideas ahead of time... > > > > > > > > > > Dean > > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
YUP! That's what I'm saying, I've driven over two hundred thousand
of three on my Bronco front hub with a worn in seat, I just knurl the seat a little with a center punch each of over ten times I've repacked them since. Your seal is between the bearing and the differential: http://----------.com/temp/dana44axle2.pdf So it's one hundred percent his fault it leaks! God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Deano wrote: > > Bill - > > Thanks for replying. Are you saying that the two issues need not be > related and unless I burn out the new bearing, there is no real problem > with it being slightly loose in the housing as it relates to the oil > seal's ability to do its job? > > Thank |
Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
YUP! That's what I'm saying, I've driven over two hundred thousand
of three on my Bronco front hub with a worn in seat, I just knurl the seat a little with a center punch each of over ten times I've repacked them since. Your seal is between the bearing and the differential: http://----------.com/temp/dana44axle2.pdf So it's one hundred percent his fault it leaks! God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Deano wrote: > > Bill - > > Thanks for replying. Are you saying that the two issues need not be > related and unless I burn out the new bearing, there is no real problem > with it being slightly loose in the housing as it relates to the oil > seal's ability to do its job? > > Thank |
Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
YUP! That's what I'm saying, I've driven over two hundred thousand
of three on my Bronco front hub with a worn in seat, I just knurl the seat a little with a center punch each of over ten times I've repacked them since. Your seal is between the bearing and the differential: http://----------.com/temp/dana44axle2.pdf So it's one hundred percent his fault it leaks! God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Deano wrote: > > Bill - > > Thanks for replying. Are you saying that the two issues need not be > related and unless I burn out the new bearing, there is no real problem > with it being slightly loose in the housing as it relates to the oil > seal's ability to do its job? > > Thank |
Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
Bill, you need glasses! That seal is outboard of the bearing, same as
mine! The bearing must be pressed off first, then the seal Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" wrote: > > YUP! That's what I'm saying, I've driven over two hundred thousand > of three on my Bronco front hub with a worn in seat, I just knurl the > seat a little with a center punch each of over ten times I've repacked > them since. Your seal is between the bearing and the differential: > http://----------.com/temp/dana44axle2.pdf So it's one hundred percent > his fault it leaks! > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > Deano wrote: > > > > Bill - > > > > Thanks for replying. Are you saying that the two issues need not be > > related and unless I burn out the new bearing, there is no real problem > > with it being slightly loose in the housing as it relates to the oil > > seal's ability to do its job? > > > > Thank |
Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
Bill, you need glasses! That seal is outboard of the bearing, same as
mine! The bearing must be pressed off first, then the seal Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" wrote: > > YUP! That's what I'm saying, I've driven over two hundred thousand > of three on my Bronco front hub with a worn in seat, I just knurl the > seat a little with a center punch each of over ten times I've repacked > them since. Your seal is between the bearing and the differential: > http://----------.com/temp/dana44axle2.pdf So it's one hundred percent > his fault it leaks! > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > Deano wrote: > > > > Bill - > > > > Thanks for replying. Are you saying that the two issues need not be > > related and unless I burn out the new bearing, there is no real problem > > with it being slightly loose in the housing as it relates to the oil > > seal's ability to do its job? > > > > Thank |
Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
Bill, you need glasses! That seal is outboard of the bearing, same as
mine! The bearing must be pressed off first, then the seal Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" wrote: > > YUP! That's what I'm saying, I've driven over two hundred thousand > of three on my Bronco front hub with a worn in seat, I just knurl the > seat a little with a center punch each of over ten times I've repacked > them since. Your seal is between the bearing and the differential: > http://----------.com/temp/dana44axle2.pdf So it's one hundred percent > his fault it leaks! > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > Deano wrote: > > > > Bill - > > > > Thanks for replying. Are you saying that the two issues need not be > > related and unless I burn out the new bearing, there is no real problem > > with it being slightly loose in the housing as it relates to the oil > > seal's ability to do its job? > > > > Thank |
Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
It is simple to check what's up. Just jack up the corner and grab the
back wheel to see how much play is in it. If you can feel up and down or side to side play, then the bearing is the cause. Then look at the axle tube just behind the brake plate to see if it has a heat mark on it. If it does, the bearing is at fault. Either or in those cases. If however there is no lateral play or obvious overheating, the job is suspect, not the seal in my opinion. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Deano wrote: > > Not to beat a dead horse here guys, but would a loose bearing race > actually cause a brand new seal to fail within a couple of weeks? Or am > I likely dealing with two problems: > > 1) dealing with the spun bearing > > 2) a poorly done seal/bearing job > > Earle Horton wrote: > > You're not missing anything Mike. > > > > Earle > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > > news:4551EFB3.4DDEB4D1@sympatico.ca... > > > I am missing something there too..... > > > > > > 'Every' time a bearing has been spun out on me, the parts need > > > replacing. If I just put a new one in loose, I don't get 6 months out > > > of it. > > > > > > If it is spun enough to cause seal failure, well...... > > > > > > Mike > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > > > > Deano wrote: > > > > > > > > Bill - > > > > > > > > Thanks for replying. Are you saying that the two issues need not be > > > > related and unless I burn out the new bearing, there is no real problem > > > > with it being slightly loose in the housing as it relates to the oil > > > > seal's ability to do its job? > > > > > > > > Thank > > > > > > > > L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote: > > > > > Hi Dean, > > > > > I wouldn't worry about a loose bearing race. And I don't like his > > > > > idea of spot welding it in, it would be impossible to center it! > > > > > I'm thinking the seal is his fault, like he laid the full weight > > of > > > > > the axle on it as he slid it in. Or maybe the new seal was twenty > > years > > > > > old and cracking. > > > > > http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/axle/superior02/ > > > > > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > > > > > > > > > Deano wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Just had my 86 cj7 (dana 44 rear) into my local jeep mechanic to > > > > > > replace my oil seal, bearing, retainer etc, and brake pad on the > > rear > > > > > > axle, driver's side. When I picked it up he mentioned that he had > > > > > > noticed a lot of play when he reinstalled the new axle - he guessed > > > > > > that a PO had spun a bearing. Basically the bearing was not fitting > > > > > > tightly into the surrounding housing. He said it seemed ok, but if > > > > > > there were any problems he may have to spot peen? (weld?) the > > bearing > > > > > > to keep it from turning. > > > > > > > > > > > > As it turns out, it has started leaking again just a few weeks later > > > > > > and I don't understand whether or not these two issues are or could > > be > > > > > > related. He checked the axle for straightness at the time which > > wasn't > > > > > > a problem. Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? I > > will > > > > > > take it back in, but wanted to have some ideas ahead of time... > > > > > > > > > > > > Dean > > > > > > > > -- > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
It is simple to check what's up. Just jack up the corner and grab the
back wheel to see how much play is in it. If you can feel up and down or side to side play, then the bearing is the cause. Then look at the axle tube just behind the brake plate to see if it has a heat mark on it. If it does, the bearing is at fault. Either or in those cases. If however there is no lateral play or obvious overheating, the job is suspect, not the seal in my opinion. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Deano wrote: > > Not to beat a dead horse here guys, but would a loose bearing race > actually cause a brand new seal to fail within a couple of weeks? Or am > I likely dealing with two problems: > > 1) dealing with the spun bearing > > 2) a poorly done seal/bearing job > > Earle Horton wrote: > > You're not missing anything Mike. > > > > Earle > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > > news:4551EFB3.4DDEB4D1@sympatico.ca... > > > I am missing something there too..... > > > > > > 'Every' time a bearing has been spun out on me, the parts need > > > replacing. If I just put a new one in loose, I don't get 6 months out > > > of it. > > > > > > If it is spun enough to cause seal failure, well...... > > > > > > Mike > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > > > > Deano wrote: > > > > > > > > Bill - > > > > > > > > Thanks for replying. Are you saying that the two issues need not be > > > > related and unless I burn out the new bearing, there is no real problem > > > > with it being slightly loose in the housing as it relates to the oil > > > > seal's ability to do its job? > > > > > > > > Thank > > > > > > > > L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote: > > > > > Hi Dean, > > > > > I wouldn't worry about a loose bearing race. And I don't like his > > > > > idea of spot welding it in, it would be impossible to center it! > > > > > I'm thinking the seal is his fault, like he laid the full weight > > of > > > > > the axle on it as he slid it in. Or maybe the new seal was twenty > > years > > > > > old and cracking. > > > > > http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/axle/superior02/ > > > > > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > > > > > > > > > Deano wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Just had my 86 cj7 (dana 44 rear) into my local jeep mechanic to > > > > > > replace my oil seal, bearing, retainer etc, and brake pad on the > > rear > > > > > > axle, driver's side. When I picked it up he mentioned that he had > > > > > > noticed a lot of play when he reinstalled the new axle - he guessed > > > > > > that a PO had spun a bearing. Basically the bearing was not fitting > > > > > > tightly into the surrounding housing. He said it seemed ok, but if > > > > > > there were any problems he may have to spot peen? (weld?) the > > bearing > > > > > > to keep it from turning. > > > > > > > > > > > > As it turns out, it has started leaking again just a few weeks later > > > > > > and I don't understand whether or not these two issues are or could > > be > > > > > > related. He checked the axle for straightness at the time which > > wasn't > > > > > > a problem. Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? I > > will > > > > > > take it back in, but wanted to have some ideas ahead of time... > > > > > > > > > > > > Dean > > > > > > > > -- > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Advice needed - recurring rear axle oil seal leak
It is simple to check what's up. Just jack up the corner and grab the
back wheel to see how much play is in it. If you can feel up and down or side to side play, then the bearing is the cause. Then look at the axle tube just behind the brake plate to see if it has a heat mark on it. If it does, the bearing is at fault. Either or in those cases. If however there is no lateral play or obvious overheating, the job is suspect, not the seal in my opinion. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Deano wrote: > > Not to beat a dead horse here guys, but would a loose bearing race > actually cause a brand new seal to fail within a couple of weeks? Or am > I likely dealing with two problems: > > 1) dealing with the spun bearing > > 2) a poorly done seal/bearing job > > Earle Horton wrote: > > You're not missing anything Mike. > > > > Earle > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > > news:4551EFB3.4DDEB4D1@sympatico.ca... > > > I am missing something there too..... > > > > > > 'Every' time a bearing has been spun out on me, the parts need > > > replacing. If I just put a new one in loose, I don't get 6 months out > > > of it. > > > > > > If it is spun enough to cause seal failure, well...... > > > > > > Mike > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > > > > Deano wrote: > > > > > > > > Bill - > > > > > > > > Thanks for replying. Are you saying that the two issues need not be > > > > related and unless I burn out the new bearing, there is no real problem > > > > with it being slightly loose in the housing as it relates to the oil > > > > seal's ability to do its job? > > > > > > > > Thank > > > > > > > > L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote: > > > > > Hi Dean, > > > > > I wouldn't worry about a loose bearing race. And I don't like his > > > > > idea of spot welding it in, it would be impossible to center it! > > > > > I'm thinking the seal is his fault, like he laid the full weight > > of > > > > > the axle on it as he slid it in. Or maybe the new seal was twenty > > years > > > > > old and cracking. > > > > > http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/axle/superior02/ > > > > > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > > > > > > > > > Deano wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Just had my 86 cj7 (dana 44 rear) into my local jeep mechanic to > > > > > > replace my oil seal, bearing, retainer etc, and brake pad on the > > rear > > > > > > axle, driver's side. When I picked it up he mentioned that he had > > > > > > noticed a lot of play when he reinstalled the new axle - he guessed > > > > > > that a PO had spun a bearing. Basically the bearing was not fitting > > > > > > tightly into the surrounding housing. He said it seemed ok, but if > > > > > > there were any problems he may have to spot peen? (weld?) the > > bearing > > > > > > to keep it from turning. > > > > > > > > > > > > As it turns out, it has started leaking again just a few weeks later > > > > > > and I don't understand whether or not these two issues are or could > > be > > > > > > related. He checked the axle for straightness at the time which > > wasn't > > > > > > a problem. Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? I > > will > > > > > > take it back in, but wanted to have some ideas ahead of time... > > > > > > > > > > > > Dean > > > > > > > > -- > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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