As noted, I never did find the traditional hunk of braid *obviously*
tied around a motor mount. I have a hunch I know where it is, but too
lazy to poke under there until the next time something goes wheewhee and
I am forced to. The ground is a pretty good one, I get less volt drop
by far between the starter and the fender ground than I do from the
battery to the starter--which is still well under spec.



Mike Romain proclaimed:
> LOL!
>
> OK, try to find the ground for the starter....
>
> I really don't know what you are looking at or thinking about, but the
> starter via engine block has the main ground. It never works any other
> way. Same as the starter has the main positive cable.
>
> Mike
>
> Lon wrote:
>
>>Mike Romain proclaimed:
>>
>>
>>>Say what?
>>
>>No, actually I said the ground cable from the battery goes to the inner
>>fender.
>>
>>>Umm try that again, you mean no ground from the engine to body, the main
>>>ground is from the battery to block with the secondary wire going to the
>>>fender. This means it likely has one mesh strap across an engine mount
>>>too.
>>
>>The main ground from the battery doesn't go to the engine. This is the
>>large number 4 wire tied right to the battery negative post.
>>
>>I never did find a mesh strap across an engine mount when chasing an odd
>>ball issue recently. Something tells me there has to be one, it is
>>definitely not on the passenger side where you'd expect it to be.
>>
>>Kept meaning to ask the tech, forgot.
>>
>>None illustrated in the FSM, but it isn't overly illustrative on
>>grounding points.
>>
>>
>>>Mike
>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>
>>>Lon wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>The battery cable ground on the 95 ZJ goes to the inner fender right
>>>>near the battery. There is no large ground from the battery area to
>>>>the engine.
>>>>
>>>>L.W.(ßill) ------ III proclaimed:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The battery cable I think you're thinking of goes directly to the
>>>>>engine block and almost never a problem, but I would like to reinforce
>>>>>what Mike said, as the engine to body ground for the most part supplies
>>>>>your headlights, blower, fuel pump, radio, ignition computers, goes
>>>>>through that engine head to cowel connection, it's made of mesh, that's
>>>>>designed to take vibration, but after bending that coat hanger back and
>>>>>forth for ten years will be broken.
>>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>>
>>>>>Chameleon@nospam.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I'll have him check the grounds. They are under the hood near the
>>>>>>battery and go to the fender, at east they do on mine.

 

You have no engine to battery ground cable?????

You only have one cable off the battery to the fender only????

Holy crap! That is really screwed up wiring.

Mike


Lon wrote:
>
> As noted, I never did find the traditional hunk of braid *obviously*
> tied around a motor mount. I have a hunch I know where it is, but too
> lazy to poke under there until the next time something goes wheewhee and
> I am forced to. The ground is a pretty good one, I get less volt drop
> by far between the starter and the fender ground than I do from the
> battery to the starter--which is still well under spec.
>
> Mike Romain proclaimed:
> > LOL!
> >
> > OK, try to find the ground for the starter....
> >
> > I really don't know what you are looking at or thinking about, but the
> > starter via engine block has the main ground. It never works any other
> > way. Same as the starter has the main positive cable.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Lon wrote:
> >
> >>Mike Romain proclaimed:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Say what?
> >>
> >>No, actually I said the ground cable from the battery goes to the inner
> >>fender.
> >>
> >>>Umm try that again, you mean no ground from the engine to body, the main
> >>>ground is from the battery to block with the secondary wire going to the
> >>>fender. This means it likely has one mesh strap across an engine mount
> >>>too.
> >>
> >>The main ground from the battery doesn't go to the engine. This is the
> >>large number 4 wire tied right to the battery negative post.
> >>
> >>I never did find a mesh strap across an engine mount when chasing an odd
> >>ball issue recently. Something tells me there has to be one, it is
> >>definitely not on the passenger side where you'd expect it to be.
> >>
> >>Kept meaning to ask the tech, forgot.
> >>
> >>None illustrated in the FSM, but it isn't overly illustrative on
> >>grounding points.
> >>
> >>
> >>>Mike
> >>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >>>
> >>>Lon wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>The battery cable ground on the 95 ZJ goes to the inner fender right
> >>>>near the battery. There is no large ground from the battery area to
> >>>>the engine.
> >>>>
> >>>>L.W.(ßill) ------ III proclaimed:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> The battery cable I think you're thinking of goes directly to the
> >>>>>engine block and almost never a problem, but I would like to reinforce
> >>>>>what Mike said, as the engine to body ground for the most part supplies
> >>>>>your headlights, blower, fuel pump, radio, ignition computers, goes
> >>>>>through that engine head to cowel connection, it's made of mesh, that's
> >>>>>designed to take vibration, but after bending that coat hanger back and
> >>>>>forth for ten years will be broken.
> >>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Chameleon@nospam.com wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>I'll have him check the grounds. They are under the hood near the
> >>>>>>battery and go to the fender, at east they do on mine.

 

You have no engine to battery ground cable?????

You only have one cable off the battery to the fender only????

Holy crap! That is really screwed up wiring.

Mike


Lon wrote:
>
> As noted, I never did find the traditional hunk of braid *obviously*
> tied around a motor mount. I have a hunch I know where it is, but too
> lazy to poke under there until the next time something goes wheewhee and
> I am forced to. The ground is a pretty good one, I get less volt drop
> by far between the starter and the fender ground than I do from the
> battery to the starter--which is still well under spec.
>
> Mike Romain proclaimed:
> > LOL!
> >
> > OK, try to find the ground for the starter....
> >
> > I really don't know what you are looking at or thinking about, but the
> > starter via engine block has the main ground. It never works any other
> > way. Same as the starter has the main positive cable.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Lon wrote:
> >
> >>Mike Romain proclaimed:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Say what?
> >>
> >>No, actually I said the ground cable from the battery goes to the inner
> >>fender.
> >>
> >>>Umm try that again, you mean no ground from the engine to body, the main
> >>>ground is from the battery to block with the secondary wire going to the
> >>>fender. This means it likely has one mesh strap across an engine mount
> >>>too.
> >>
> >>The main ground from the battery doesn't go to the engine. This is the
> >>large number 4 wire tied right to the battery negative post.
> >>
> >>I never did find a mesh strap across an engine mount when chasing an odd
> >>ball issue recently. Something tells me there has to be one, it is
> >>definitely not on the passenger side where you'd expect it to be.
> >>
> >>Kept meaning to ask the tech, forgot.
> >>
> >>None illustrated in the FSM, but it isn't overly illustrative on
> >>grounding points.
> >>
> >>
> >>>Mike
> >>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >>>
> >>>Lon wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>The battery cable ground on the 95 ZJ goes to the inner fender right
> >>>>near the battery. There is no large ground from the battery area to
> >>>>the engine.
> >>>>
> >>>>L.W.(ßill) ------ III proclaimed:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> The battery cable I think you're thinking of goes directly to the
> >>>>>engine block and almost never a problem, but I would like to reinforce
> >>>>>what Mike said, as the engine to body ground for the most part supplies
> >>>>>your headlights, blower, fuel pump, radio, ignition computers, goes
> >>>>>through that engine head to cowel connection, it's made of mesh, that's
> >>>>>designed to take vibration, but after bending that coat hanger back and
> >>>>>forth for ten years will be broken.
> >>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Chameleon@nospam.com wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>I'll have him check the grounds. They are under the hood near the
> >>>>>>battery and go to the fender, at east they do on mine.

 

You have no engine to battery ground cable?????

You only have one cable off the battery to the fender only????

Holy crap! That is really screwed up wiring.

Mike


Lon wrote:
>
> As noted, I never did find the traditional hunk of braid *obviously*
> tied around a motor mount. I have a hunch I know where it is, but too
> lazy to poke under there until the next time something goes wheewhee and
> I am forced to. The ground is a pretty good one, I get less volt drop
> by far between the starter and the fender ground than I do from the
> battery to the starter--which is still well under spec.
>
> Mike Romain proclaimed:
> > LOL!
> >
> > OK, try to find the ground for the starter....
> >
> > I really don't know what you are looking at or thinking about, but the
> > starter via engine block has the main ground. It never works any other
> > way. Same as the starter has the main positive cable.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Lon wrote:
> >
> >>Mike Romain proclaimed:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Say what?
> >>
> >>No, actually I said the ground cable from the battery goes to the inner
> >>fender.
> >>
> >>>Umm try that again, you mean no ground from the engine to body, the main
> >>>ground is from the battery to block with the secondary wire going to the
> >>>fender. This means it likely has one mesh strap across an engine mount
> >>>too.
> >>
> >>The main ground from the battery doesn't go to the engine. This is the
> >>large number 4 wire tied right to the battery negative post.
> >>
> >>I never did find a mesh strap across an engine mount when chasing an odd
> >>ball issue recently. Something tells me there has to be one, it is
> >>definitely not on the passenger side where you'd expect it to be.
> >>
> >>Kept meaning to ask the tech, forgot.
> >>
> >>None illustrated in the FSM, but it isn't overly illustrative on
> >>grounding points.
> >>
> >>
> >>>Mike
> >>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >>>
> >>>Lon wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>The battery cable ground on the 95 ZJ goes to the inner fender right
> >>>>near the battery. There is no large ground from the battery area to
> >>>>the engine.
> >>>>
> >>>>L.W.(ßill) ------ III proclaimed:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> The battery cable I think you're thinking of goes directly to the
> >>>>>engine block and almost never a problem, but I would like to reinforce
> >>>>>what Mike said, as the engine to body ground for the most part supplies
> >>>>>your headlights, blower, fuel pump, radio, ignition computers, goes
> >>>>>through that engine head to cowel connection, it's made of mesh, that's
> >>>>>designed to take vibration, but after bending that coat hanger back and
> >>>>>forth for ten years will be broken.
> >>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Chameleon@nospam.com wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>I'll have him check the grounds. They are under the hood near the
> >>>>>>battery and go to the fender, at east they do on mine.

 

You have no engine to battery ground cable?????

You only have one cable off the battery to the fender only????

Holy crap! That is really screwed up wiring.

Mike


Lon wrote:
>
> As noted, I never did find the traditional hunk of braid *obviously*
> tied around a motor mount. I have a hunch I know where it is, but too
> lazy to poke under there until the next time something goes wheewhee and
> I am forced to. The ground is a pretty good one, I get less volt drop
> by far between the starter and the fender ground than I do from the
> battery to the starter--which is still well under spec.
>
> Mike Romain proclaimed:
> > LOL!
> >
> > OK, try to find the ground for the starter....
> >
> > I really don't know what you are looking at or thinking about, but the
> > starter via engine block has the main ground. It never works any other
> > way. Same as the starter has the main positive cable.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Lon wrote:
> >
> >>Mike Romain proclaimed:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Say what?
> >>
> >>No, actually I said the ground cable from the battery goes to the inner
> >>fender.
> >>
> >>>Umm try that again, you mean no ground from the engine to body, the main
> >>>ground is from the battery to block with the secondary wire going to the
> >>>fender. This means it likely has one mesh strap across an engine mount
> >>>too.
> >>
> >>The main ground from the battery doesn't go to the engine. This is the
> >>large number 4 wire tied right to the battery negative post.
> >>
> >>I never did find a mesh strap across an engine mount when chasing an odd
> >>ball issue recently. Something tells me there has to be one, it is
> >>definitely not on the passenger side where you'd expect it to be.
> >>
> >>Kept meaning to ask the tech, forgot.
> >>
> >>None illustrated in the FSM, but it isn't overly illustrative on
> >>grounding points.
> >>
> >>
> >>>Mike
> >>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >>>
> >>>Lon wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>The battery cable ground on the 95 ZJ goes to the inner fender right
> >>>>near the battery. There is no large ground from the battery area to
> >>>>the engine.
> >>>>
> >>>>L.W.(ßill) ------ III proclaimed:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> The battery cable I think you're thinking of goes directly to the
> >>>>>engine block and almost never a problem, but I would like to reinforce
> >>>>>what Mike said, as the engine to body ground for the most part supplies
> >>>>>your headlights, blower, fuel pump, radio, ignition computers, goes
> >>>>>through that engine head to cowel connection, it's made of mesh, that's
> >>>>>designed to take vibration, but after bending that coat hanger back and
> >>>>>forth for ten years will be broken.
> >>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Chameleon@nospam.com wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>I'll have him check the grounds. They are under the hood near the
> >>>>>>battery and go to the fender, at east they do on mine.

 

On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:20:24 -0800, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:

> The battery cable I think you're thinking of goes directly to the
>engine block and almost never a problem,

Still trying to act like you know something, billygoat?
--
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On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:20:24 -0800, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:

> The battery cable I think you're thinking of goes directly to the
>engine block and almost never a problem,

Still trying to act like you know something, billygoat?
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On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:20:24 -0800, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:

> The battery cable I think you're thinking of goes directly to the
>engine block and almost never a problem,

Still trying to act like you know something, billygoat?
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