95' GC Laredo - Odd Power/Start Problem
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Re: 95' GC Laredo - Odd Power/Start Problem
Hi Lon,
That couldn't be the original design. Look at the gauge of that
cable all manufacturers would want it to go directly to grounding the
starter, the shorter the better. Your Kraut car with it's positive
ground would look misleading. I see the WJ is kind of misleading, too as
it runs two battery cables per terminal, one goes to the fender.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon wrote:
>
> The battery cable ground on the 95 ZJ goes to the inner fender right
> near the battery. There is no large ground from the battery area to
> the engine.
That couldn't be the original design. Look at the gauge of that
cable all manufacturers would want it to go directly to grounding the
starter, the shorter the better. Your Kraut car with it's positive
ground would look misleading. I see the WJ is kind of misleading, too as
it runs two battery cables per terminal, one goes to the fender.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon wrote:
>
> The battery cable ground on the 95 ZJ goes to the inner fender right
> near the battery. There is no large ground from the battery area to
> the engine.
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Re: 95' GC Laredo - Odd Power/Start Problem
Hi Lon,
That couldn't be the original design. Look at the gauge of that
cable all manufacturers would want it to go directly to grounding the
starter, the shorter the better. Your Kraut car with it's positive
ground would look misleading. I see the WJ is kind of misleading, too as
it runs two battery cables per terminal, one goes to the fender.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon wrote:
>
> The battery cable ground on the 95 ZJ goes to the inner fender right
> near the battery. There is no large ground from the battery area to
> the engine.
That couldn't be the original design. Look at the gauge of that
cable all manufacturers would want it to go directly to grounding the
starter, the shorter the better. Your Kraut car with it's positive
ground would look misleading. I see the WJ is kind of misleading, too as
it runs two battery cables per terminal, one goes to the fender.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon wrote:
>
> The battery cable ground on the 95 ZJ goes to the inner fender right
> near the battery. There is no large ground from the battery area to
> the engine.
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Re: 95' GC Laredo - Odd Power/Start Problem
Hi Lon,
That couldn't be the original design. Look at the gauge of that
cable all manufacturers would want it to go directly to grounding the
starter, the shorter the better. Your Kraut car with it's positive
ground would look misleading. I see the WJ is kind of misleading, too as
it runs two battery cables per terminal, one goes to the fender.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon wrote:
>
> The battery cable ground on the 95 ZJ goes to the inner fender right
> near the battery. There is no large ground from the battery area to
> the engine.
That couldn't be the original design. Look at the gauge of that
cable all manufacturers would want it to go directly to grounding the
starter, the shorter the better. Your Kraut car with it's positive
ground would look misleading. I see the WJ is kind of misleading, too as
it runs two battery cables per terminal, one goes to the fender.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon wrote:
>
> The battery cable ground on the 95 ZJ goes to the inner fender right
> near the battery. There is no large ground from the battery area to
> the engine.
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Re: 95' GC Laredo - Odd Power/Start Problem
Mike Romain proclaimed:
> Say what?
No, actually I said the ground cable from the battery goes to the inner
fender.
>
> Umm try that again, you mean no ground from the engine to body, the main
> ground is from the battery to block with the secondary wire going to the
> fender. This means it likely has one mesh strap across an engine mount
> too.
The main ground from the battery doesn't go to the engine. This is the
large number 4 wire tied right to the battery negative post.
I never did find a mesh strap across an engine mount when chasing an odd
ball issue recently. Something tells me there has to be one, it is
definitely not on the passenger side where you'd expect it to be.
Kept meaning to ask the tech, forgot.
None illustrated in the FSM, but it isn't overly illustrative on
grounding points.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Lon wrote:
>
>>The battery cable ground on the 95 ZJ goes to the inner fender right
>>near the battery. There is no large ground from the battery area to
>>the engine.
>>
>>L.W.(ßill) ------ III proclaimed:
>>
>>
>>> The battery cable I think you're thinking of goes directly to the
>>>engine block and almost never a problem, but I would like to reinforce
>>>what Mike said, as the engine to body ground for the most part supplies
>>>your headlights, blower, fuel pump, radio, ignition computers, goes
>>>through that engine head to cowel connection, it's made of mesh, that's
>>>designed to take vibration, but after bending that coat hanger back and
>>>forth for ten years will be broken.
>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>
>>>Chameleon@nospam.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I'll have him check the grounds. They are under the hood near the
>>>>battery and go to the fender, at east they do on mine.
> Say what?
No, actually I said the ground cable from the battery goes to the inner
fender.
>
> Umm try that again, you mean no ground from the engine to body, the main
> ground is from the battery to block with the secondary wire going to the
> fender. This means it likely has one mesh strap across an engine mount
> too.
The main ground from the battery doesn't go to the engine. This is the
large number 4 wire tied right to the battery negative post.
I never did find a mesh strap across an engine mount when chasing an odd
ball issue recently. Something tells me there has to be one, it is
definitely not on the passenger side where you'd expect it to be.
Kept meaning to ask the tech, forgot.
None illustrated in the FSM, but it isn't overly illustrative on
grounding points.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Lon wrote:
>
>>The battery cable ground on the 95 ZJ goes to the inner fender right
>>near the battery. There is no large ground from the battery area to
>>the engine.
>>
>>L.W.(ßill) ------ III proclaimed:
>>
>>
>>> The battery cable I think you're thinking of goes directly to the
>>>engine block and almost never a problem, but I would like to reinforce
>>>what Mike said, as the engine to body ground for the most part supplies
>>>your headlights, blower, fuel pump, radio, ignition computers, goes
>>>through that engine head to cowel connection, it's made of mesh, that's
>>>designed to take vibration, but after bending that coat hanger back and
>>>forth for ten years will be broken.
>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>
>>>Chameleon@nospam.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I'll have him check the grounds. They are under the hood near the
>>>>battery and go to the fender, at east they do on mine.
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Re: 95' GC Laredo - Odd Power/Start Problem
Mike Romain proclaimed:
> Say what?
No, actually I said the ground cable from the battery goes to the inner
fender.
>
> Umm try that again, you mean no ground from the engine to body, the main
> ground is from the battery to block with the secondary wire going to the
> fender. This means it likely has one mesh strap across an engine mount
> too.
The main ground from the battery doesn't go to the engine. This is the
large number 4 wire tied right to the battery negative post.
I never did find a mesh strap across an engine mount when chasing an odd
ball issue recently. Something tells me there has to be one, it is
definitely not on the passenger side where you'd expect it to be.
Kept meaning to ask the tech, forgot.
None illustrated in the FSM, but it isn't overly illustrative on
grounding points.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Lon wrote:
>
>>The battery cable ground on the 95 ZJ goes to the inner fender right
>>near the battery. There is no large ground from the battery area to
>>the engine.
>>
>>L.W.(ßill) ------ III proclaimed:
>>
>>
>>> The battery cable I think you're thinking of goes directly to the
>>>engine block and almost never a problem, but I would like to reinforce
>>>what Mike said, as the engine to body ground for the most part supplies
>>>your headlights, blower, fuel pump, radio, ignition computers, goes
>>>through that engine head to cowel connection, it's made of mesh, that's
>>>designed to take vibration, but after bending that coat hanger back and
>>>forth for ten years will be broken.
>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>
>>>Chameleon@nospam.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I'll have him check the grounds. They are under the hood near the
>>>>battery and go to the fender, at east they do on mine.
> Say what?
No, actually I said the ground cable from the battery goes to the inner
fender.
>
> Umm try that again, you mean no ground from the engine to body, the main
> ground is from the battery to block with the secondary wire going to the
> fender. This means it likely has one mesh strap across an engine mount
> too.
The main ground from the battery doesn't go to the engine. This is the
large number 4 wire tied right to the battery negative post.
I never did find a mesh strap across an engine mount when chasing an odd
ball issue recently. Something tells me there has to be one, it is
definitely not on the passenger side where you'd expect it to be.
Kept meaning to ask the tech, forgot.
None illustrated in the FSM, but it isn't overly illustrative on
grounding points.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Lon wrote:
>
>>The battery cable ground on the 95 ZJ goes to the inner fender right
>>near the battery. There is no large ground from the battery area to
>>the engine.
>>
>>L.W.(ßill) ------ III proclaimed:
>>
>>
>>> The battery cable I think you're thinking of goes directly to the
>>>engine block and almost never a problem, but I would like to reinforce
>>>what Mike said, as the engine to body ground for the most part supplies
>>>your headlights, blower, fuel pump, radio, ignition computers, goes
>>>through that engine head to cowel connection, it's made of mesh, that's
>>>designed to take vibration, but after bending that coat hanger back and
>>>forth for ten years will be broken.
>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>
>>>Chameleon@nospam.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I'll have him check the grounds. They are under the hood near the
>>>>battery and go to the fender, at east they do on mine.
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Re: 95' GC Laredo - Odd Power/Start Problem
Mike Romain proclaimed:
> Say what?
No, actually I said the ground cable from the battery goes to the inner
fender.
>
> Umm try that again, you mean no ground from the engine to body, the main
> ground is from the battery to block with the secondary wire going to the
> fender. This means it likely has one mesh strap across an engine mount
> too.
The main ground from the battery doesn't go to the engine. This is the
large number 4 wire tied right to the battery negative post.
I never did find a mesh strap across an engine mount when chasing an odd
ball issue recently. Something tells me there has to be one, it is
definitely not on the passenger side where you'd expect it to be.
Kept meaning to ask the tech, forgot.
None illustrated in the FSM, but it isn't overly illustrative on
grounding points.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Lon wrote:
>
>>The battery cable ground on the 95 ZJ goes to the inner fender right
>>near the battery. There is no large ground from the battery area to
>>the engine.
>>
>>L.W.(ßill) ------ III proclaimed:
>>
>>
>>> The battery cable I think you're thinking of goes directly to the
>>>engine block and almost never a problem, but I would like to reinforce
>>>what Mike said, as the engine to body ground for the most part supplies
>>>your headlights, blower, fuel pump, radio, ignition computers, goes
>>>through that engine head to cowel connection, it's made of mesh, that's
>>>designed to take vibration, but after bending that coat hanger back and
>>>forth for ten years will be broken.
>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>
>>>Chameleon@nospam.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I'll have him check the grounds. They are under the hood near the
>>>>battery and go to the fender, at east they do on mine.
> Say what?
No, actually I said the ground cable from the battery goes to the inner
fender.
>
> Umm try that again, you mean no ground from the engine to body, the main
> ground is from the battery to block with the secondary wire going to the
> fender. This means it likely has one mesh strap across an engine mount
> too.
The main ground from the battery doesn't go to the engine. This is the
large number 4 wire tied right to the battery negative post.
I never did find a mesh strap across an engine mount when chasing an odd
ball issue recently. Something tells me there has to be one, it is
definitely not on the passenger side where you'd expect it to be.
Kept meaning to ask the tech, forgot.
None illustrated in the FSM, but it isn't overly illustrative on
grounding points.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Lon wrote:
>
>>The battery cable ground on the 95 ZJ goes to the inner fender right
>>near the battery. There is no large ground from the battery area to
>>the engine.
>>
>>L.W.(ßill) ------ III proclaimed:
>>
>>
>>> The battery cable I think you're thinking of goes directly to the
>>>engine block and almost never a problem, but I would like to reinforce
>>>what Mike said, as the engine to body ground for the most part supplies
>>>your headlights, blower, fuel pump, radio, ignition computers, goes
>>>through that engine head to cowel connection, it's made of mesh, that's
>>>designed to take vibration, but after bending that coat hanger back and
>>>forth for ten years will be broken.
>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>
>>>Chameleon@nospam.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I'll have him check the grounds. They are under the hood near the
>>>>battery and go to the fender, at east they do on mine.
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Re: 95' GC Laredo - Odd Power/Start Problem
Mike Romain proclaimed:
> Say what?
No, actually I said the ground cable from the battery goes to the inner
fender.
>
> Umm try that again, you mean no ground from the engine to body, the main
> ground is from the battery to block with the secondary wire going to the
> fender. This means it likely has one mesh strap across an engine mount
> too.
The main ground from the battery doesn't go to the engine. This is the
large number 4 wire tied right to the battery negative post.
I never did find a mesh strap across an engine mount when chasing an odd
ball issue recently. Something tells me there has to be one, it is
definitely not on the passenger side where you'd expect it to be.
Kept meaning to ask the tech, forgot.
None illustrated in the FSM, but it isn't overly illustrative on
grounding points.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Lon wrote:
>
>>The battery cable ground on the 95 ZJ goes to the inner fender right
>>near the battery. There is no large ground from the battery area to
>>the engine.
>>
>>L.W.(ßill) ------ III proclaimed:
>>
>>
>>> The battery cable I think you're thinking of goes directly to the
>>>engine block and almost never a problem, but I would like to reinforce
>>>what Mike said, as the engine to body ground for the most part supplies
>>>your headlights, blower, fuel pump, radio, ignition computers, goes
>>>through that engine head to cowel connection, it's made of mesh, that's
>>>designed to take vibration, but after bending that coat hanger back and
>>>forth for ten years will be broken.
>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>
>>>Chameleon@nospam.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I'll have him check the grounds. They are under the hood near the
>>>>battery and go to the fender, at east they do on mine.
> Say what?
No, actually I said the ground cable from the battery goes to the inner
fender.
>
> Umm try that again, you mean no ground from the engine to body, the main
> ground is from the battery to block with the secondary wire going to the
> fender. This means it likely has one mesh strap across an engine mount
> too.
The main ground from the battery doesn't go to the engine. This is the
large number 4 wire tied right to the battery negative post.
I never did find a mesh strap across an engine mount when chasing an odd
ball issue recently. Something tells me there has to be one, it is
definitely not on the passenger side where you'd expect it to be.
Kept meaning to ask the tech, forgot.
None illustrated in the FSM, but it isn't overly illustrative on
grounding points.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Lon wrote:
>
>>The battery cable ground on the 95 ZJ goes to the inner fender right
>>near the battery. There is no large ground from the battery area to
>>the engine.
>>
>>L.W.(ßill) ------ III proclaimed:
>>
>>
>>> The battery cable I think you're thinking of goes directly to the
>>>engine block and almost never a problem, but I would like to reinforce
>>>what Mike said, as the engine to body ground for the most part supplies
>>>your headlights, blower, fuel pump, radio, ignition computers, goes
>>>through that engine head to cowel connection, it's made of mesh, that's
>>>designed to take vibration, but after bending that coat hanger back and
>>>forth for ten years will be broken.
>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>
>>>Chameleon@nospam.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I'll have him check the grounds. They are under the hood near the
>>>>battery and go to the fender, at east they do on mine.
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Re: 95' GC Laredo - Odd Power/Start Problem
Care to bet?
Checked it against two other ZJ's of same year, including the service
manager's.
Aware that there is likely a big ground somewhere, but as noted, the big
black cable from the battery negative is very short and goes straight to
the inner fender on the passengers side. This is specifically on the
I-6, your mileage may vary.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III proclaimed:
> Hi Lon,
> That couldn't be the original design. Look at the gauge of that
> cable all manufacturers would want it to go directly to grounding the
> starter, the shorter the better. Your Kraut car with it's positive
> ground would look misleading. I see the WJ is kind of misleading, too as
> it runs two battery cables per terminal, one goes to the fender.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Lon wrote:
>
>>The battery cable ground on the 95 ZJ goes to the inner fender right
>>near the battery. There is no large ground from the battery area to
>>the engine.
Guest
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Re: 95' GC Laredo - Odd Power/Start Problem
Care to bet?
Checked it against two other ZJ's of same year, including the service
manager's.
Aware that there is likely a big ground somewhere, but as noted, the big
black cable from the battery negative is very short and goes straight to
the inner fender on the passengers side. This is specifically on the
I-6, your mileage may vary.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III proclaimed:
> Hi Lon,
> That couldn't be the original design. Look at the gauge of that
> cable all manufacturers would want it to go directly to grounding the
> starter, the shorter the better. Your Kraut car with it's positive
> ground would look misleading. I see the WJ is kind of misleading, too as
> it runs two battery cables per terminal, one goes to the fender.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Lon wrote:
>
>>The battery cable ground on the 95 ZJ goes to the inner fender right
>>near the battery. There is no large ground from the battery area to
>>the engine.
Guest
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Re: 95' GC Laredo - Odd Power/Start Problem
Care to bet?
Checked it against two other ZJ's of same year, including the service
manager's.
Aware that there is likely a big ground somewhere, but as noted, the big
black cable from the battery negative is very short and goes straight to
the inner fender on the passengers side. This is specifically on the
I-6, your mileage may vary.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III proclaimed:
> Hi Lon,
> That couldn't be the original design. Look at the gauge of that
> cable all manufacturers would want it to go directly to grounding the
> starter, the shorter the better. Your Kraut car with it's positive
> ground would look misleading. I see the WJ is kind of misleading, too as
> it runs two battery cables per terminal, one goes to the fender.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Lon wrote:
>
>>The battery cable ground on the 95 ZJ goes to the inner fender right
>>near the battery. There is no large ground from the battery area to
>>the engine.
