90 XJ ABS nightmare (long)
06-23-2005, 10:24 PM
#41
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Re: 90 XJ ABS nightmare (long)
lets think about the rust it has to be metal so it can rust
and it could be said it is a metal flake since it will stick to a magnat which is what a
speed sensor is basicly
i have seen this exact thing occur om many a jeep since i live in the snow/rust belt not
to mention the gouged end of the speed sensor from the rust and even dirt which i seen on
a 05 tj the other day that set a abs code
DougW wrote:
> Dana Rohleder did pass the time by typing:
> > That was my thought too, but the tech said that if that were the case I'd be
> > getting a fault light. I asked them 3 times to check the gaps, or even see
> > if the passenger's front wasn't working at all, but they never gave me the
> > satisfaction. The gaps I can check myself, but is there an easy way of
> > cleaning the rust off of the tonewheels without removing them?
>
> A little rust on the tone wheels won't hurt anything. What will cause problems
> is buildup of metal filings from the brakes on the sensors face. Just use a piece
> of cloth and with the wheel off slowly turn the hub to drag it past the tone ring.
>
> Then go and clean the connector to your ABS computer. (both the pin and the
> wire side) 99% of all ABS faults are caused by that connector getting
> contaminated by road salt/grime/dust and it doesn't take much to cause problems.
> This problem usually manifests itself as the ABS light coming on when you go over
> railroad crossings or potholes.
>
> Use a spray contact cleaner that's safe for plastic, not WD-40! Then apply a good
> layer of silicone dielectric grease (sparkplug grease) to both sides and pop it back
> on.
>
> Having one sensor out of cal by just a smidge (less than it takes to set a fault code)
> will cause the ABS to apply just as you come to a normal stop.
>
> --
> DougW
and it could be said it is a metal flake since it will stick to a magnat which is what a
speed sensor is basicly
i have seen this exact thing occur om many a jeep since i live in the snow/rust belt not
to mention the gouged end of the speed sensor from the rust and even dirt which i seen on
a 05 tj the other day that set a abs code
DougW wrote:
> Dana Rohleder did pass the time by typing:
> > That was my thought too, but the tech said that if that were the case I'd be
> > getting a fault light. I asked them 3 times to check the gaps, or even see
> > if the passenger's front wasn't working at all, but they never gave me the
> > satisfaction. The gaps I can check myself, but is there an easy way of
> > cleaning the rust off of the tonewheels without removing them?
>
> A little rust on the tone wheels won't hurt anything. What will cause problems
> is buildup of metal filings from the brakes on the sensors face. Just use a piece
> of cloth and with the wheel off slowly turn the hub to drag it past the tone ring.
>
> Then go and clean the connector to your ABS computer. (both the pin and the
> wire side) 99% of all ABS faults are caused by that connector getting
> contaminated by road salt/grime/dust and it doesn't take much to cause problems.
> This problem usually manifests itself as the ABS light coming on when you go over
> railroad crossings or potholes.
>
> Use a spray contact cleaner that's safe for plastic, not WD-40! Then apply a good
> layer of silicone dielectric grease (sparkplug grease) to both sides and pop it back
> on.
>
> Having one sensor out of cal by just a smidge (less than it takes to set a fault code)
> will cause the ABS to apply just as you come to a normal stop.
>
> --
> DougW
06-23-2005, 11:06 PM
#42
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Posts: n/a
Re: 90 XJ ABS nightmare (long)
small wire brush and there is a spec for the airgap
Dana Rohleder wrote:
> That was my thought too, but the tech said that if that were the case I'd be
> getting a fault light. I asked them 3 times to check the gaps, or even see
> if the passenger's front wasn't working at all, but they never gave me the
> satisfaction. The gaps I can check myself, but is there an easy way of
> cleaning the rust off of the tonewheels without removing them?
> --
> Dana
> Port Kent, NY
>
> 2002 Saturn LW300
> 93 Jeep YJ
> 90 Jeep XJ Ltd.
> ---------------
> 95 Grand Cherokee Ltd.
> 91 Grand Wagoneer Ltd.
> 82 Cherokee 4dr
> 76 Cherokee 2dr
>
> "tim bur" <dbrider@cac.net> wrote in message
> news:42BA07F1.FF7BA693@cac.net...
> > the reason the abs causes the vehicle to dive is the airgap for the wheel
> > sensors is to great and this causes the abs unit to act accordingly even
> > rust
> > built up on the tone wheel can cause this
> >
> > Dana Rohleder wrote:
> >
> >> The ABS fiasco cost me $2000 out of pocket for repairs/diagnostics to
> >> date,
> >> not including the actuator that was covered under warranty. It still
> >> pulls
> >> severely to the right, but the ABS fault lights are no longer working.
> >> They
> >> wanted to replace both my front calipers and hoses for another $500, but
> >> I
> >> put a stop to it. I asked them if they would guarantee that it would stop
> >> the pulling and they looked at me like a golden goose that just stopped
> >> laying eggs. I took the car back and may do the job myself for 1/2 of the
> >> cost - they have got their last dime out of me.
> >> --
> >> Dana
> >> Port Kent, NY
> >>
> >> 2002 Saturn LW300
> >> 93 Jeep YJ
> >> 90 Jeep XJ Ltd.
> >> ---------------
> >> 95 Grand Cherokee Ltd.
> >> 91 Grand Wagoneer Ltd.
> >> 82 Cherokee 4dr
> >> 76 Cherokee 2dr
> >>
> >> "Dana Rohleder" <boreal@charter.net> wrote in message
> >> news:W%nhe.9558$i03.6203@fe06.lga...
> >> > For those of you that have run this race before, can you offer any
> >> > help?
> >> >
> >> > I bought a 90 XJ pretty cheap knowing there was a problem with the ABS
> >> > system. Since the vehicle's ABS system still has an active safety
> >> > recall
> >> > on it, I felt I had to take it to the dealership for service. However,
> >> > because a fault code points to my controller - $1100 for the part. They
> >> > say they need to replace the controller BEFORE they can get into the
> >> > recall portion of the repair. The car has 140K on it, so I am over the
> >> > extended warranty on the ENTIRE ABS system, but I should be covered on
> >> > the
> >> > "lifetime" coverage on the recall for the actuator assy and the
> >> > pump/motor
> >> > assy.
> >> >
> >> > I also had the dealer run up an estimate on converting the vehicle to a
> >> > non-ABS power brake system, as had been recommended by others on the
> >> > list.
> >> > Their estimate was $1300 parts/labor.
> >> >
> >> > My questions follow:
> >> >
> >> > 1. What is the reliability of the ABS system AFTER the necessary
> >> > repairs
> >> > are done?
> >> > 2. Is it possible that a malfunctioning actuator/pump/motor components
> >> > could have fried the controller, and if so, should/would D-C pay for
> >> > the
> >> > controller as well?
> >> > 3. If their ABS system on these vehicles is so bad, shouldn't they be
> >> > converting all of the malfunctioning systems to non-ABS and paying for
> >> > that repair?
> >> > 4. Is the dealer trying to scare me away from the ABS recall claim by
> >> > making me pay for the controller up front - leaving me the option of
> >> > paying for the downgrade out-of-pocket - so that D-C doesn't have to
> >> > pay a
> >> > cent for the recall work?
> >> > 5. Does anyone have a number for a contact at D-C who could help
> >> > clarify
> >> > and sort this situation out?
> >> > --
> >> > Dana
> >> > Port Kent, NY
> >> >
> >> > 93 YJ, 90 XJ, (76, 82 & 91 FSJ -deceased)
> >> >
> >> > "It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us
> >> > and
> >> > get them out of harm's way." GW Bush -Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005
> >> >
> >
Dana Rohleder wrote:
> That was my thought too, but the tech said that if that were the case I'd be
> getting a fault light. I asked them 3 times to check the gaps, or even see
> if the passenger's front wasn't working at all, but they never gave me the
> satisfaction. The gaps I can check myself, but is there an easy way of
> cleaning the rust off of the tonewheels without removing them?
> --
> Dana
> Port Kent, NY
>
> 2002 Saturn LW300
> 93 Jeep YJ
> 90 Jeep XJ Ltd.
> ---------------
> 95 Grand Cherokee Ltd.
> 91 Grand Wagoneer Ltd.
> 82 Cherokee 4dr
> 76 Cherokee 2dr
>
> "tim bur" <dbrider@cac.net> wrote in message
> news:42BA07F1.FF7BA693@cac.net...
> > the reason the abs causes the vehicle to dive is the airgap for the wheel
> > sensors is to great and this causes the abs unit to act accordingly even
> > rust
> > built up on the tone wheel can cause this
> >
> > Dana Rohleder wrote:
> >
> >> The ABS fiasco cost me $2000 out of pocket for repairs/diagnostics to
> >> date,
> >> not including the actuator that was covered under warranty. It still
> >> pulls
> >> severely to the right, but the ABS fault lights are no longer working.
> >> They
> >> wanted to replace both my front calipers and hoses for another $500, but
> >> I
> >> put a stop to it. I asked them if they would guarantee that it would stop
> >> the pulling and they looked at me like a golden goose that just stopped
> >> laying eggs. I took the car back and may do the job myself for 1/2 of the
> >> cost - they have got their last dime out of me.
> >> --
> >> Dana
> >> Port Kent, NY
> >>
> >> 2002 Saturn LW300
> >> 93 Jeep YJ
> >> 90 Jeep XJ Ltd.
> >> ---------------
> >> 95 Grand Cherokee Ltd.
> >> 91 Grand Wagoneer Ltd.
> >> 82 Cherokee 4dr
> >> 76 Cherokee 2dr
> >>
> >> "Dana Rohleder" <boreal@charter.net> wrote in message
> >> news:W%nhe.9558$i03.6203@fe06.lga...
> >> > For those of you that have run this race before, can you offer any
> >> > help?
> >> >
> >> > I bought a 90 XJ pretty cheap knowing there was a problem with the ABS
> >> > system. Since the vehicle's ABS system still has an active safety
> >> > recall
> >> > on it, I felt I had to take it to the dealership for service. However,
> >> > because a fault code points to my controller - $1100 for the part. They
> >> > say they need to replace the controller BEFORE they can get into the
> >> > recall portion of the repair. The car has 140K on it, so I am over the
> >> > extended warranty on the ENTIRE ABS system, but I should be covered on
> >> > the
> >> > "lifetime" coverage on the recall for the actuator assy and the
> >> > pump/motor
> >> > assy.
> >> >
> >> > I also had the dealer run up an estimate on converting the vehicle to a
> >> > non-ABS power brake system, as had been recommended by others on the
> >> > list.
> >> > Their estimate was $1300 parts/labor.
> >> >
> >> > My questions follow:
> >> >
> >> > 1. What is the reliability of the ABS system AFTER the necessary
> >> > repairs
> >> > are done?
> >> > 2. Is it possible that a malfunctioning actuator/pump/motor components
> >> > could have fried the controller, and if so, should/would D-C pay for
> >> > the
> >> > controller as well?
> >> > 3. If their ABS system on these vehicles is so bad, shouldn't they be
> >> > converting all of the malfunctioning systems to non-ABS and paying for
> >> > that repair?
> >> > 4. Is the dealer trying to scare me away from the ABS recall claim by
> >> > making me pay for the controller up front - leaving me the option of
> >> > paying for the downgrade out-of-pocket - so that D-C doesn't have to
> >> > pay a
> >> > cent for the recall work?
> >> > 5. Does anyone have a number for a contact at D-C who could help
> >> > clarify
> >> > and sort this situation out?
> >> > --
> >> > Dana
> >> > Port Kent, NY
> >> >
> >> > 93 YJ, 90 XJ, (76, 82 & 91 FSJ -deceased)
> >> >
> >> > "It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us
> >> > and
> >> > get them out of harm's way." GW Bush -Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005
> >> >
> >
06-23-2005, 11:06 PM
#43
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 90 XJ ABS nightmare (long)
small wire brush and there is a spec for the airgap
Dana Rohleder wrote:
> That was my thought too, but the tech said that if that were the case I'd be
> getting a fault light. I asked them 3 times to check the gaps, or even see
> if the passenger's front wasn't working at all, but they never gave me the
> satisfaction. The gaps I can check myself, but is there an easy way of
> cleaning the rust off of the tonewheels without removing them?
> --
> Dana
> Port Kent, NY
>
> 2002 Saturn LW300
> 93 Jeep YJ
> 90 Jeep XJ Ltd.
> ---------------
> 95 Grand Cherokee Ltd.
> 91 Grand Wagoneer Ltd.
> 82 Cherokee 4dr
> 76 Cherokee 2dr
>
> "tim bur" <dbrider@cac.net> wrote in message
> news:42BA07F1.FF7BA693@cac.net...
> > the reason the abs causes the vehicle to dive is the airgap for the wheel
> > sensors is to great and this causes the abs unit to act accordingly even
> > rust
> > built up on the tone wheel can cause this
> >
> > Dana Rohleder wrote:
> >
> >> The ABS fiasco cost me $2000 out of pocket for repairs/diagnostics to
> >> date,
> >> not including the actuator that was covered under warranty. It still
> >> pulls
> >> severely to the right, but the ABS fault lights are no longer working.
> >> They
> >> wanted to replace both my front calipers and hoses for another $500, but
> >> I
> >> put a stop to it. I asked them if they would guarantee that it would stop
> >> the pulling and they looked at me like a golden goose that just stopped
> >> laying eggs. I took the car back and may do the job myself for 1/2 of the
> >> cost - they have got their last dime out of me.
> >> --
> >> Dana
> >> Port Kent, NY
> >>
> >> 2002 Saturn LW300
> >> 93 Jeep YJ
> >> 90 Jeep XJ Ltd.
> >> ---------------
> >> 95 Grand Cherokee Ltd.
> >> 91 Grand Wagoneer Ltd.
> >> 82 Cherokee 4dr
> >> 76 Cherokee 2dr
> >>
> >> "Dana Rohleder" <boreal@charter.net> wrote in message
> >> news:W%nhe.9558$i03.6203@fe06.lga...
> >> > For those of you that have run this race before, can you offer any
> >> > help?
> >> >
> >> > I bought a 90 XJ pretty cheap knowing there was a problem with the ABS
> >> > system. Since the vehicle's ABS system still has an active safety
> >> > recall
> >> > on it, I felt I had to take it to the dealership for service. However,
> >> > because a fault code points to my controller - $1100 for the part. They
> >> > say they need to replace the controller BEFORE they can get into the
> >> > recall portion of the repair. The car has 140K on it, so I am over the
> >> > extended warranty on the ENTIRE ABS system, but I should be covered on
> >> > the
> >> > "lifetime" coverage on the recall for the actuator assy and the
> >> > pump/motor
> >> > assy.
> >> >
> >> > I also had the dealer run up an estimate on converting the vehicle to a
> >> > non-ABS power brake system, as had been recommended by others on the
> >> > list.
> >> > Their estimate was $1300 parts/labor.
> >> >
> >> > My questions follow:
> >> >
> >> > 1. What is the reliability of the ABS system AFTER the necessary
> >> > repairs
> >> > are done?
> >> > 2. Is it possible that a malfunctioning actuator/pump/motor components
> >> > could have fried the controller, and if so, should/would D-C pay for
> >> > the
> >> > controller as well?
> >> > 3. If their ABS system on these vehicles is so bad, shouldn't they be
> >> > converting all of the malfunctioning systems to non-ABS and paying for
> >> > that repair?
> >> > 4. Is the dealer trying to scare me away from the ABS recall claim by
> >> > making me pay for the controller up front - leaving me the option of
> >> > paying for the downgrade out-of-pocket - so that D-C doesn't have to
> >> > pay a
> >> > cent for the recall work?
> >> > 5. Does anyone have a number for a contact at D-C who could help
> >> > clarify
> >> > and sort this situation out?
> >> > --
> >> > Dana
> >> > Port Kent, NY
> >> >
> >> > 93 YJ, 90 XJ, (76, 82 & 91 FSJ -deceased)
> >> >
> >> > "It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us
> >> > and
> >> > get them out of harm's way." GW Bush -Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005
> >> >
> >
Dana Rohleder wrote:
> That was my thought too, but the tech said that if that were the case I'd be
> getting a fault light. I asked them 3 times to check the gaps, or even see
> if the passenger's front wasn't working at all, but they never gave me the
> satisfaction. The gaps I can check myself, but is there an easy way of
> cleaning the rust off of the tonewheels without removing them?
> --
> Dana
> Port Kent, NY
>
> 2002 Saturn LW300
> 93 Jeep YJ
> 90 Jeep XJ Ltd.
> ---------------
> 95 Grand Cherokee Ltd.
> 91 Grand Wagoneer Ltd.
> 82 Cherokee 4dr
> 76 Cherokee 2dr
>
> "tim bur" <dbrider@cac.net> wrote in message
> news:42BA07F1.FF7BA693@cac.net...
> > the reason the abs causes the vehicle to dive is the airgap for the wheel
> > sensors is to great and this causes the abs unit to act accordingly even
> > rust
> > built up on the tone wheel can cause this
> >
> > Dana Rohleder wrote:
> >
> >> The ABS fiasco cost me $2000 out of pocket for repairs/diagnostics to
> >> date,
> >> not including the actuator that was covered under warranty. It still
> >> pulls
> >> severely to the right, but the ABS fault lights are no longer working.
> >> They
> >> wanted to replace both my front calipers and hoses for another $500, but
> >> I
> >> put a stop to it. I asked them if they would guarantee that it would stop
> >> the pulling and they looked at me like a golden goose that just stopped
> >> laying eggs. I took the car back and may do the job myself for 1/2 of the
> >> cost - they have got their last dime out of me.
> >> --
> >> Dana
> >> Port Kent, NY
> >>
> >> 2002 Saturn LW300
> >> 93 Jeep YJ
> >> 90 Jeep XJ Ltd.
> >> ---------------
> >> 95 Grand Cherokee Ltd.
> >> 91 Grand Wagoneer Ltd.
> >> 82 Cherokee 4dr
> >> 76 Cherokee 2dr
> >>
> >> "Dana Rohleder" <boreal@charter.net> wrote in message
> >> news:W%nhe.9558$i03.6203@fe06.lga...
> >> > For those of you that have run this race before, can you offer any
> >> > help?
> >> >
> >> > I bought a 90 XJ pretty cheap knowing there was a problem with the ABS
> >> > system. Since the vehicle's ABS system still has an active safety
> >> > recall
> >> > on it, I felt I had to take it to the dealership for service. However,
> >> > because a fault code points to my controller - $1100 for the part. They
> >> > say they need to replace the controller BEFORE they can get into the
> >> > recall portion of the repair. The car has 140K on it, so I am over the
> >> > extended warranty on the ENTIRE ABS system, but I should be covered on
> >> > the
> >> > "lifetime" coverage on the recall for the actuator assy and the
> >> > pump/motor
> >> > assy.
> >> >
> >> > I also had the dealer run up an estimate on converting the vehicle to a
> >> > non-ABS power brake system, as had been recommended by others on the
> >> > list.
> >> > Their estimate was $1300 parts/labor.
> >> >
> >> > My questions follow:
> >> >
> >> > 1. What is the reliability of the ABS system AFTER the necessary
> >> > repairs
> >> > are done?
> >> > 2. Is it possible that a malfunctioning actuator/pump/motor components
> >> > could have fried the controller, and if so, should/would D-C pay for
> >> > the
> >> > controller as well?
> >> > 3. If their ABS system on these vehicles is so bad, shouldn't they be
> >> > converting all of the malfunctioning systems to non-ABS and paying for
> >> > that repair?
> >> > 4. Is the dealer trying to scare me away from the ABS recall claim by
> >> > making me pay for the controller up front - leaving me the option of
> >> > paying for the downgrade out-of-pocket - so that D-C doesn't have to
> >> > pay a
> >> > cent for the recall work?
> >> > 5. Does anyone have a number for a contact at D-C who could help
> >> > clarify
> >> > and sort this situation out?
> >> > --
> >> > Dana
> >> > Port Kent, NY
> >> >
> >> > 93 YJ, 90 XJ, (76, 82 & 91 FSJ -deceased)
> >> >
> >> > "It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us
> >> > and
> >> > get them out of harm's way." GW Bush -Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005
> >> >
> >
06-23-2005, 11:06 PM
#44
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 90 XJ ABS nightmare (long)
small wire brush and there is a spec for the airgap
Dana Rohleder wrote:
> That was my thought too, but the tech said that if that were the case I'd be
> getting a fault light. I asked them 3 times to check the gaps, or even see
> if the passenger's front wasn't working at all, but they never gave me the
> satisfaction. The gaps I can check myself, but is there an easy way of
> cleaning the rust off of the tonewheels without removing them?
> --
> Dana
> Port Kent, NY
>
> 2002 Saturn LW300
> 93 Jeep YJ
> 90 Jeep XJ Ltd.
> ---------------
> 95 Grand Cherokee Ltd.
> 91 Grand Wagoneer Ltd.
> 82 Cherokee 4dr
> 76 Cherokee 2dr
>
> "tim bur" <dbrider@cac.net> wrote in message
> news:42BA07F1.FF7BA693@cac.net...
> > the reason the abs causes the vehicle to dive is the airgap for the wheel
> > sensors is to great and this causes the abs unit to act accordingly even
> > rust
> > built up on the tone wheel can cause this
> >
> > Dana Rohleder wrote:
> >
> >> The ABS fiasco cost me $2000 out of pocket for repairs/diagnostics to
> >> date,
> >> not including the actuator that was covered under warranty. It still
> >> pulls
> >> severely to the right, but the ABS fault lights are no longer working.
> >> They
> >> wanted to replace both my front calipers and hoses for another $500, but
> >> I
> >> put a stop to it. I asked them if they would guarantee that it would stop
> >> the pulling and they looked at me like a golden goose that just stopped
> >> laying eggs. I took the car back and may do the job myself for 1/2 of the
> >> cost - they have got their last dime out of me.
> >> --
> >> Dana
> >> Port Kent, NY
> >>
> >> 2002 Saturn LW300
> >> 93 Jeep YJ
> >> 90 Jeep XJ Ltd.
> >> ---------------
> >> 95 Grand Cherokee Ltd.
> >> 91 Grand Wagoneer Ltd.
> >> 82 Cherokee 4dr
> >> 76 Cherokee 2dr
> >>
> >> "Dana Rohleder" <boreal@charter.net> wrote in message
> >> news:W%nhe.9558$i03.6203@fe06.lga...
> >> > For those of you that have run this race before, can you offer any
> >> > help?
> >> >
> >> > I bought a 90 XJ pretty cheap knowing there was a problem with the ABS
> >> > system. Since the vehicle's ABS system still has an active safety
> >> > recall
> >> > on it, I felt I had to take it to the dealership for service. However,
> >> > because a fault code points to my controller - $1100 for the part. They
> >> > say they need to replace the controller BEFORE they can get into the
> >> > recall portion of the repair. The car has 140K on it, so I am over the
> >> > extended warranty on the ENTIRE ABS system, but I should be covered on
> >> > the
> >> > "lifetime" coverage on the recall for the actuator assy and the
> >> > pump/motor
> >> > assy.
> >> >
> >> > I also had the dealer run up an estimate on converting the vehicle to a
> >> > non-ABS power brake system, as had been recommended by others on the
> >> > list.
> >> > Their estimate was $1300 parts/labor.
> >> >
> >> > My questions follow:
> >> >
> >> > 1. What is the reliability of the ABS system AFTER the necessary
> >> > repairs
> >> > are done?
> >> > 2. Is it possible that a malfunctioning actuator/pump/motor components
> >> > could have fried the controller, and if so, should/would D-C pay for
> >> > the
> >> > controller as well?
> >> > 3. If their ABS system on these vehicles is so bad, shouldn't they be
> >> > converting all of the malfunctioning systems to non-ABS and paying for
> >> > that repair?
> >> > 4. Is the dealer trying to scare me away from the ABS recall claim by
> >> > making me pay for the controller up front - leaving me the option of
> >> > paying for the downgrade out-of-pocket - so that D-C doesn't have to
> >> > pay a
> >> > cent for the recall work?
> >> > 5. Does anyone have a number for a contact at D-C who could help
> >> > clarify
> >> > and sort this situation out?
> >> > --
> >> > Dana
> >> > Port Kent, NY
> >> >
> >> > 93 YJ, 90 XJ, (76, 82 & 91 FSJ -deceased)
> >> >
> >> > "It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us
> >> > and
> >> > get them out of harm's way." GW Bush -Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005
> >> >
> >
Dana Rohleder wrote:
> That was my thought too, but the tech said that if that were the case I'd be
> getting a fault light. I asked them 3 times to check the gaps, or even see
> if the passenger's front wasn't working at all, but they never gave me the
> satisfaction. The gaps I can check myself, but is there an easy way of
> cleaning the rust off of the tonewheels without removing them?
> --
> Dana
> Port Kent, NY
>
> 2002 Saturn LW300
> 93 Jeep YJ
> 90 Jeep XJ Ltd.
> ---------------
> 95 Grand Cherokee Ltd.
> 91 Grand Wagoneer Ltd.
> 82 Cherokee 4dr
> 76 Cherokee 2dr
>
> "tim bur" <dbrider@cac.net> wrote in message
> news:42BA07F1.FF7BA693@cac.net...
> > the reason the abs causes the vehicle to dive is the airgap for the wheel
> > sensors is to great and this causes the abs unit to act accordingly even
> > rust
> > built up on the tone wheel can cause this
> >
> > Dana Rohleder wrote:
> >
> >> The ABS fiasco cost me $2000 out of pocket for repairs/diagnostics to
> >> date,
> >> not including the actuator that was covered under warranty. It still
> >> pulls
> >> severely to the right, but the ABS fault lights are no longer working.
> >> They
> >> wanted to replace both my front calipers and hoses for another $500, but
> >> I
> >> put a stop to it. I asked them if they would guarantee that it would stop
> >> the pulling and they looked at me like a golden goose that just stopped
> >> laying eggs. I took the car back and may do the job myself for 1/2 of the
> >> cost - they have got their last dime out of me.
> >> --
> >> Dana
> >> Port Kent, NY
> >>
> >> 2002 Saturn LW300
> >> 93 Jeep YJ
> >> 90 Jeep XJ Ltd.
> >> ---------------
> >> 95 Grand Cherokee Ltd.
> >> 91 Grand Wagoneer Ltd.
> >> 82 Cherokee 4dr
> >> 76 Cherokee 2dr
> >>
> >> "Dana Rohleder" <boreal@charter.net> wrote in message
> >> news:W%nhe.9558$i03.6203@fe06.lga...
> >> > For those of you that have run this race before, can you offer any
> >> > help?
> >> >
> >> > I bought a 90 XJ pretty cheap knowing there was a problem with the ABS
> >> > system. Since the vehicle's ABS system still has an active safety
> >> > recall
> >> > on it, I felt I had to take it to the dealership for service. However,
> >> > because a fault code points to my controller - $1100 for the part. They
> >> > say they need to replace the controller BEFORE they can get into the
> >> > recall portion of the repair. The car has 140K on it, so I am over the
> >> > extended warranty on the ENTIRE ABS system, but I should be covered on
> >> > the
> >> > "lifetime" coverage on the recall for the actuator assy and the
> >> > pump/motor
> >> > assy.
> >> >
> >> > I also had the dealer run up an estimate on converting the vehicle to a
> >> > non-ABS power brake system, as had been recommended by others on the
> >> > list.
> >> > Their estimate was $1300 parts/labor.
> >> >
> >> > My questions follow:
> >> >
> >> > 1. What is the reliability of the ABS system AFTER the necessary
> >> > repairs
> >> > are done?
> >> > 2. Is it possible that a malfunctioning actuator/pump/motor components
> >> > could have fried the controller, and if so, should/would D-C pay for
> >> > the
> >> > controller as well?
> >> > 3. If their ABS system on these vehicles is so bad, shouldn't they be
> >> > converting all of the malfunctioning systems to non-ABS and paying for
> >> > that repair?
> >> > 4. Is the dealer trying to scare me away from the ABS recall claim by
> >> > making me pay for the controller up front - leaving me the option of
> >> > paying for the downgrade out-of-pocket - so that D-C doesn't have to
> >> > pay a
> >> > cent for the recall work?
> >> > 5. Does anyone have a number for a contact at D-C who could help
> >> > clarify
> >> > and sort this situation out?
> >> > --
> >> > Dana
> >> > Port Kent, NY
> >> >
> >> > 93 YJ, 90 XJ, (76, 82 & 91 FSJ -deceased)
> >> >
> >> > "It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us
> >> > and
> >> > get them out of harm's way." GW Bush -Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005
> >> >
> >
06-23-2005, 11:06 PM
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Re: 90 XJ ABS nightmare (long)
small wire brush and there is a spec for the airgap
Dana Rohleder wrote:
> That was my thought too, but the tech said that if that were the case I'd be
> getting a fault light. I asked them 3 times to check the gaps, or even see
> if the passenger's front wasn't working at all, but they never gave me the
> satisfaction. The gaps I can check myself, but is there an easy way of
> cleaning the rust off of the tonewheels without removing them?
> --
> Dana
> Port Kent, NY
>
> 2002 Saturn LW300
> 93 Jeep YJ
> 90 Jeep XJ Ltd.
> ---------------
> 95 Grand Cherokee Ltd.
> 91 Grand Wagoneer Ltd.
> 82 Cherokee 4dr
> 76 Cherokee 2dr
>
> "tim bur" <dbrider@cac.net> wrote in message
> news:42BA07F1.FF7BA693@cac.net...
> > the reason the abs causes the vehicle to dive is the airgap for the wheel
> > sensors is to great and this causes the abs unit to act accordingly even
> > rust
> > built up on the tone wheel can cause this
> >
> > Dana Rohleder wrote:
> >
> >> The ABS fiasco cost me $2000 out of pocket for repairs/diagnostics to
> >> date,
> >> not including the actuator that was covered under warranty. It still
> >> pulls
> >> severely to the right, but the ABS fault lights are no longer working.
> >> They
> >> wanted to replace both my front calipers and hoses for another $500, but
> >> I
> >> put a stop to it. I asked them if they would guarantee that it would stop
> >> the pulling and they looked at me like a golden goose that just stopped
> >> laying eggs. I took the car back and may do the job myself for 1/2 of the
> >> cost - they have got their last dime out of me.
> >> --
> >> Dana
> >> Port Kent, NY
> >>
> >> 2002 Saturn LW300
> >> 93 Jeep YJ
> >> 90 Jeep XJ Ltd.
> >> ---------------
> >> 95 Grand Cherokee Ltd.
> >> 91 Grand Wagoneer Ltd.
> >> 82 Cherokee 4dr
> >> 76 Cherokee 2dr
> >>
> >> "Dana Rohleder" <boreal@charter.net> wrote in message
> >> news:W%nhe.9558$i03.6203@fe06.lga...
> >> > For those of you that have run this race before, can you offer any
> >> > help?
> >> >
> >> > I bought a 90 XJ pretty cheap knowing there was a problem with the ABS
> >> > system. Since the vehicle's ABS system still has an active safety
> >> > recall
> >> > on it, I felt I had to take it to the dealership for service. However,
> >> > because a fault code points to my controller - $1100 for the part. They
> >> > say they need to replace the controller BEFORE they can get into the
> >> > recall portion of the repair. The car has 140K on it, so I am over the
> >> > extended warranty on the ENTIRE ABS system, but I should be covered on
> >> > the
> >> > "lifetime" coverage on the recall for the actuator assy and the
> >> > pump/motor
> >> > assy.
> >> >
> >> > I also had the dealer run up an estimate on converting the vehicle to a
> >> > non-ABS power brake system, as had been recommended by others on the
> >> > list.
> >> > Their estimate was $1300 parts/labor.
> >> >
> >> > My questions follow:
> >> >
> >> > 1. What is the reliability of the ABS system AFTER the necessary
> >> > repairs
> >> > are done?
> >> > 2. Is it possible that a malfunctioning actuator/pump/motor components
> >> > could have fried the controller, and if so, should/would D-C pay for
> >> > the
> >> > controller as well?
> >> > 3. If their ABS system on these vehicles is so bad, shouldn't they be
> >> > converting all of the malfunctioning systems to non-ABS and paying for
> >> > that repair?
> >> > 4. Is the dealer trying to scare me away from the ABS recall claim by
> >> > making me pay for the controller up front - leaving me the option of
> >> > paying for the downgrade out-of-pocket - so that D-C doesn't have to
> >> > pay a
> >> > cent for the recall work?
> >> > 5. Does anyone have a number for a contact at D-C who could help
> >> > clarify
> >> > and sort this situation out?
> >> > --
> >> > Dana
> >> > Port Kent, NY
> >> >
> >> > 93 YJ, 90 XJ, (76, 82 & 91 FSJ -deceased)
> >> >
> >> > "It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us
> >> > and
> >> > get them out of harm's way." GW Bush -Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005
> >> >
> >
Dana Rohleder wrote:
> That was my thought too, but the tech said that if that were the case I'd be
> getting a fault light. I asked them 3 times to check the gaps, or even see
> if the passenger's front wasn't working at all, but they never gave me the
> satisfaction. The gaps I can check myself, but is there an easy way of
> cleaning the rust off of the tonewheels without removing them?
> --
> Dana
> Port Kent, NY
>
> 2002 Saturn LW300
> 93 Jeep YJ
> 90 Jeep XJ Ltd.
> ---------------
> 95 Grand Cherokee Ltd.
> 91 Grand Wagoneer Ltd.
> 82 Cherokee 4dr
> 76 Cherokee 2dr
>
> "tim bur" <dbrider@cac.net> wrote in message
> news:42BA07F1.FF7BA693@cac.net...
> > the reason the abs causes the vehicle to dive is the airgap for the wheel
> > sensors is to great and this causes the abs unit to act accordingly even
> > rust
> > built up on the tone wheel can cause this
> >
> > Dana Rohleder wrote:
> >
> >> The ABS fiasco cost me $2000 out of pocket for repairs/diagnostics to
> >> date,
> >> not including the actuator that was covered under warranty. It still
> >> pulls
> >> severely to the right, but the ABS fault lights are no longer working.
> >> They
> >> wanted to replace both my front calipers and hoses for another $500, but
> >> I
> >> put a stop to it. I asked them if they would guarantee that it would stop
> >> the pulling and they looked at me like a golden goose that just stopped
> >> laying eggs. I took the car back and may do the job myself for 1/2 of the
> >> cost - they have got their last dime out of me.
> >> --
> >> Dana
> >> Port Kent, NY
> >>
> >> 2002 Saturn LW300
> >> 93 Jeep YJ
> >> 90 Jeep XJ Ltd.
> >> ---------------
> >> 95 Grand Cherokee Ltd.
> >> 91 Grand Wagoneer Ltd.
> >> 82 Cherokee 4dr
> >> 76 Cherokee 2dr
> >>
> >> "Dana Rohleder" <boreal@charter.net> wrote in message
> >> news:W%nhe.9558$i03.6203@fe06.lga...
> >> > For those of you that have run this race before, can you offer any
> >> > help?
> >> >
> >> > I bought a 90 XJ pretty cheap knowing there was a problem with the ABS
> >> > system. Since the vehicle's ABS system still has an active safety
> >> > recall
> >> > on it, I felt I had to take it to the dealership for service. However,
> >> > because a fault code points to my controller - $1100 for the part. They
> >> > say they need to replace the controller BEFORE they can get into the
> >> > recall portion of the repair. The car has 140K on it, so I am over the
> >> > extended warranty on the ENTIRE ABS system, but I should be covered on
> >> > the
> >> > "lifetime" coverage on the recall for the actuator assy and the
> >> > pump/motor
> >> > assy.
> >> >
> >> > I also had the dealer run up an estimate on converting the vehicle to a
> >> > non-ABS power brake system, as had been recommended by others on the
> >> > list.
> >> > Their estimate was $1300 parts/labor.
> >> >
> >> > My questions follow:
> >> >
> >> > 1. What is the reliability of the ABS system AFTER the necessary
> >> > repairs
> >> > are done?
> >> > 2. Is it possible that a malfunctioning actuator/pump/motor components
> >> > could have fried the controller, and if so, should/would D-C pay for
> >> > the
> >> > controller as well?
> >> > 3. If their ABS system on these vehicles is so bad, shouldn't they be
> >> > converting all of the malfunctioning systems to non-ABS and paying for
> >> > that repair?
> >> > 4. Is the dealer trying to scare me away from the ABS recall claim by
> >> > making me pay for the controller up front - leaving me the option of
> >> > paying for the downgrade out-of-pocket - so that D-C doesn't have to
> >> > pay a
> >> > cent for the recall work?
> >> > 5. Does anyone have a number for a contact at D-C who could help
> >> > clarify
> >> > and sort this situation out?
> >> > --
> >> > Dana
> >> > Port Kent, NY
> >> >
> >> > 93 YJ, 90 XJ, (76, 82 & 91 FSJ -deceased)
> >> >
> >> > "It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us
> >> > and
> >> > get them out of harm's way." GW Bush -Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005
> >> >
> >
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