90 XJ ABS nightmare (long)
 

For those of you that have run this race before, can you offer any help?

I bought a 90 XJ pretty cheap knowing there was a problem with the ABS
system. Since the vehicle's ABS system still has an active safety recall on
it, I felt I had to take it to the dealership for service. However, because
a fault code points to my controller - $1100 for the part. They say they
need to replace the controller BEFORE they can get into the recall portion
of the repair. The car has 140K on it, so I am over the extended warranty on
the ENTIRE ABS system, but I should be covered on the "lifetime" coverage on
the recall for the actuator assy and the pump/motor assy.

I also had the dealer run up an estimate on converting the vehicle to a
non-ABS power brake system, as had been recommended by others on the list.
Their estimate was $1300 parts/labor.

My questions follow:

1. What is the reliability of the ABS system AFTER the necessary repairs are
done?
2. Is it possible that a malfunctioning actuator/pump/motor components could
have fried the controller, and if so, should/would D-C pay for the
controller as well?
3. If their ABS system on these vehicles is so bad, shouldn't they be
converting all of the malfunctioning systems to non-ABS and paying for that
repair?
4. Is the dealer trying to scare me away from the ABS recall claim by making
me pay for the controller up front - leaving me the option of paying for the
downgrade out-of-pocket - so that D-C doesn't have to pay a cent for the
recall work?
5. Does anyone have a number for a contact at D-C who could help clarify and
sort this situation out?
--
Dana
Port Kent, NY

93 YJ, 90 XJ, (76, 82 & 91 FSJ -deceased)

"It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us and
get them out of harm's way." GW Bush -Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005

Re: 90 XJ ABS nightmare (long)
 

Grab a can of WD-40 and a rag and go clean off all four ABS sensors
mounted on the four wheels. My ABS gave me a code years ago and my
brakes started acting funny and all it turned out to be was a bunch of
dried on gunk on one of the sensors. It's worth a shot, that is for
sure. Clear the ABS code afterwards by disconnecting the battery for
2-3 minutes, then drive it to see if that fixed the problem. Sometimes a
simple fix takes care of a difficult problem. And no, the WD-40 wil not
harm the sensor or any other electrical component for that matter.

Jerry

Dana Rohleder wrote:
> For those of you that have run this race before, can you offer any help?
>
> I bought a 90 XJ pretty cheap knowing there was a problem with the ABS
> system. Since the vehicle's ABS system still has an active safety recall on
> it, I felt I had to take it to the dealership for service. However, because
> a fault code points to my controller - $1100 for the part. They say they
> need to replace the controller BEFORE they can get into the recall portion
> of the repair. The car has 140K on it, so I am over the extended warranty on
> the ENTIRE ABS system, but I should be covered on the "lifetime" coverage on
> the recall for the actuator assy and the pump/motor assy.
>
> I also had the dealer run up an estimate on converting the vehicle to a
> non-ABS power brake system, as had been recommended by others on the list.
> Their estimate was $1300 parts/labor.
>
> My questions follow:
>
> 1. What is the reliability of the ABS system AFTER the necessary repairs are
> done?
> 2. Is it possible that a malfunctioning actuator/pump/motor components could
> have fried the controller, and if so, should/would D-C pay for the
> controller as well?
> 3. If their ABS system on these vehicles is so bad, shouldn't they be
> converting all of the malfunctioning systems to non-ABS and paying for that
> repair?
> 4. Is the dealer trying to scare me away from the ABS recall claim by making
> me pay for the controller up front - leaving me the option of paying for the
> downgrade out-of-pocket - so that D-C doesn't have to pay a cent for the
> recall work?
> 5. Does anyone have a number for a contact at D-C who could help clarify and
> sort this situation out?

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/

Re: 90 XJ ABS nightmare (long)
 

Grab a can of WD-40 and a rag and go clean off all four ABS sensors
mounted on the four wheels. My ABS gave me a code years ago and my
brakes started acting funny and all it turned out to be was a bunch of
dried on gunk on one of the sensors. It's worth a shot, that is for
sure. Clear the ABS code afterwards by disconnecting the battery for
2-3 minutes, then drive it to see if that fixed the problem. Sometimes a
simple fix takes care of a difficult problem. And no, the WD-40 wil not
harm the sensor or any other electrical component for that matter.

Jerry

Dana Rohleder wrote:
> For those of you that have run this race before, can you offer any help?
>
> I bought a 90 XJ pretty cheap knowing there was a problem with the ABS
> system. Since the vehicle's ABS system still has an active safety recall on
> it, I felt I had to take it to the dealership for service. However, because
> a fault code points to my controller - $1100 for the part. They say they
> need to replace the controller BEFORE they can get into the recall portion
> of the repair. The car has 140K on it, so I am over the extended warranty on
> the ENTIRE ABS system, but I should be covered on the "lifetime" coverage on
> the recall for the actuator assy and the pump/motor assy.
>
> I also had the dealer run up an estimate on converting the vehicle to a
> non-ABS power brake system, as had been recommended by others on the list.
> Their estimate was $1300 parts/labor.
>
> My questions follow:
>
> 1. What is the reliability of the ABS system AFTER the necessary repairs are
> done?
> 2. Is it possible that a malfunctioning actuator/pump/motor components could
> have fried the controller, and if so, should/would D-C pay for the
> controller as well?
> 3. If their ABS system on these vehicles is so bad, shouldn't they be
> converting all of the malfunctioning systems to non-ABS and paying for that
> repair?
> 4. Is the dealer trying to scare me away from the ABS recall claim by making
> me pay for the controller up front - leaving me the option of paying for the
> downgrade out-of-pocket - so that D-C doesn't have to pay a cent for the
> recall work?
> 5. Does anyone have a number for a contact at D-C who could help clarify and
> sort this situation out?

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/

Re: 90 XJ ABS nightmare (long)
 

Grab a can of WD-40 and a rag and go clean off all four ABS sensors
mounted on the four wheels. My ABS gave me a code years ago and my
brakes started acting funny and all it turned out to be was a bunch of
dried on gunk on one of the sensors. It's worth a shot, that is for
sure. Clear the ABS code afterwards by disconnecting the battery for
2-3 minutes, then drive it to see if that fixed the problem. Sometimes a
simple fix takes care of a difficult problem. And no, the WD-40 wil not
harm the sensor or any other electrical component for that matter.

Jerry

Dana Rohleder wrote:
> For those of you that have run this race before, can you offer any help?
>
> I bought a 90 XJ pretty cheap knowing there was a problem with the ABS
> system. Since the vehicle's ABS system still has an active safety recall on
> it, I felt I had to take it to the dealership for service. However, because
> a fault code points to my controller - $1100 for the part. They say they
> need to replace the controller BEFORE they can get into the recall portion
> of the repair. The car has 140K on it, so I am over the extended warranty on
> the ENTIRE ABS system, but I should be covered on the "lifetime" coverage on
> the recall for the actuator assy and the pump/motor assy.
>
> I also had the dealer run up an estimate on converting the vehicle to a
> non-ABS power brake system, as had been recommended by others on the list.
> Their estimate was $1300 parts/labor.
>
> My questions follow:
>
> 1. What is the reliability of the ABS system AFTER the necessary repairs are
> done?
> 2. Is it possible that a malfunctioning actuator/pump/motor components could
> have fried the controller, and if so, should/would D-C pay for the
> controller as well?
> 3. If their ABS system on these vehicles is so bad, shouldn't they be
> converting all of the malfunctioning systems to non-ABS and paying for that
> repair?
> 4. Is the dealer trying to scare me away from the ABS recall claim by making
> me pay for the controller up front - leaving me the option of paying for the
> downgrade out-of-pocket - so that D-C doesn't have to pay a cent for the
> recall work?
> 5. Does anyone have a number for a contact at D-C who could help clarify and
> sort this situation out?

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/

Re: 90 XJ ABS nightmare (long)
 

Grab a can of WD-40 and a rag and go clean off all four ABS sensors
mounted on the four wheels. My ABS gave me a code years ago and my
brakes started acting funny and all it turned out to be was a bunch of
dried on gunk on one of the sensors. It's worth a shot, that is for
sure. Clear the ABS code afterwards by disconnecting the battery for
2-3 minutes, then drive it to see if that fixed the problem. Sometimes a
simple fix takes care of a difficult problem. And no, the WD-40 wil not
harm the sensor or any other electrical component for that matter.

Jerry

Dana Rohleder wrote:
> For those of you that have run this race before, can you offer any help?
>
> I bought a 90 XJ pretty cheap knowing there was a problem with the ABS
> system. Since the vehicle's ABS system still has an active safety recall on
> it, I felt I had to take it to the dealership for service. However, because
> a fault code points to my controller - $1100 for the part. They say they
> need to replace the controller BEFORE they can get into the recall portion
> of the repair. The car has 140K on it, so I am over the extended warranty on
> the ENTIRE ABS system, but I should be covered on the "lifetime" coverage on
> the recall for the actuator assy and the pump/motor assy.
>
> I also had the dealer run up an estimate on converting the vehicle to a
> non-ABS power brake system, as had been recommended by others on the list.
> Their estimate was $1300 parts/labor.
>
> My questions follow:
>
> 1. What is the reliability of the ABS system AFTER the necessary repairs are
> done?
> 2. Is it possible that a malfunctioning actuator/pump/motor components could
> have fried the controller, and if so, should/would D-C pay for the
> controller as well?
> 3. If their ABS system on these vehicles is so bad, shouldn't they be
> converting all of the malfunctioning systems to non-ABS and paying for that
> repair?
> 4. Is the dealer trying to scare me away from the ABS recall claim by making
> me pay for the controller up front - leaving me the option of paying for the
> downgrade out-of-pocket - so that D-C doesn't have to pay a cent for the
> recall work?
> 5. Does anyone have a number for a contact at D-C who could help clarify and
> sort this situation out?

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/

Re: 90 XJ ABS nightmare (long)
 

My local $tealer tried to soak me for a mess of unneeded stuff rather
than do the recall first. I got my money back on all the labor when I
went to the service manager and raised ----. I guess the fact I caught
them charging taxes on stuff that is tax free might have helped my case,
but....

I would insist on the recall period. Then if it doesn't work, they can
change other parts or you can just pull the relays and do without the
ABS anyway.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Dana Rohleder wrote:
>
> For those of you that have run this race before, can you offer any help?
>
> I bought a 90 XJ pretty cheap knowing there was a problem with the ABS
> system. Since the vehicle's ABS system still has an active safety recall on
> it, I felt I had to take it to the dealership for service. However, because
> a fault code points to my controller - $1100 for the part. They say they
> need to replace the controller BEFORE they can get into the recall portion
> of the repair. The car has 140K on it, so I am over the extended warranty on
> the ENTIRE ABS system, but I should be covered on the "lifetime" coverage on
> the recall for the actuator assy and the pump/motor assy.
>
> I also had the dealer run up an estimate on converting the vehicle to a
> non-ABS power brake system, as had been recommended by others on the list.
> Their estimate was $1300 parts/labor.
>
> My questions follow:
>
> 1. What is the reliability of the ABS system AFTER the necessary repairs are
> done?
> 2. Is it possible that a malfunctioning actuator/pump/motor components could
> have fried the controller, and if so, should/would D-C pay for the
> controller as well?
> 3. If their ABS system on these vehicles is so bad, shouldn't they be
> converting all of the malfunctioning systems to non-ABS and paying for that
> repair?
> 4. Is the dealer trying to scare me away from the ABS recall claim by making
> me pay for the controller up front - leaving me the option of paying for the
> downgrade out-of-pocket - so that D-C doesn't have to pay a cent for the
> recall work?
> 5. Does anyone have a number for a contact at D-C who could help clarify and
> sort this situation out?
> --
> Dana
> Port Kent, NY
>
> 93 YJ, 90 XJ, (76, 82 & 91 FSJ -deceased)
>
> "It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us and
> get them out of harm's way." GW Bush -Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005

Re: 90 XJ ABS nightmare (long)
 

My local $tealer tried to soak me for a mess of unneeded stuff rather
than do the recall first. I got my money back on all the labor when I
went to the service manager and raised ----. I guess the fact I caught
them charging taxes on stuff that is tax free might have helped my case,
but....

I would insist on the recall period. Then if it doesn't work, they can
change other parts or you can just pull the relays and do without the
ABS anyway.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Dana Rohleder wrote:
>
> For those of you that have run this race before, can you offer any help?
>
> I bought a 90 XJ pretty cheap knowing there was a problem with the ABS
> system. Since the vehicle's ABS system still has an active safety recall on
> it, I felt I had to take it to the dealership for service. However, because
> a fault code points to my controller - $1100 for the part. They say they
> need to replace the controller BEFORE they can get into the recall portion
> of the repair. The car has 140K on it, so I am over the extended warranty on
> the ENTIRE ABS system, but I should be covered on the "lifetime" coverage on
> the recall for the actuator assy and the pump/motor assy.
>
> I also had the dealer run up an estimate on converting the vehicle to a
> non-ABS power brake system, as had been recommended by others on the list.
> Their estimate was $1300 parts/labor.
>
> My questions follow:
>
> 1. What is the reliability of the ABS system AFTER the necessary repairs are
> done?
> 2. Is it possible that a malfunctioning actuator/pump/motor components could
> have fried the controller, and if so, should/would D-C pay for the
> controller as well?
> 3. If their ABS system on these vehicles is so bad, shouldn't they be
> converting all of the malfunctioning systems to non-ABS and paying for that
> repair?
> 4. Is the dealer trying to scare me away from the ABS recall claim by making
> me pay for the controller up front - leaving me the option of paying for the
> downgrade out-of-pocket - so that D-C doesn't have to pay a cent for the
> recall work?
> 5. Does anyone have a number for a contact at D-C who could help clarify and
> sort this situation out?
> --
> Dana
> Port Kent, NY
>
> 93 YJ, 90 XJ, (76, 82 & 91 FSJ -deceased)
>
> "It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us and
> get them out of harm's way." GW Bush -Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005

Re: 90 XJ ABS nightmare (long)
 

My local $tealer tried to soak me for a mess of unneeded stuff rather
than do the recall first. I got my money back on all the labor when I
went to the service manager and raised ----. I guess the fact I caught
them charging taxes on stuff that is tax free might have helped my case,
but....

I would insist on the recall period. Then if it doesn't work, they can
change other parts or you can just pull the relays and do without the
ABS anyway.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Dana Rohleder wrote:
>
> For those of you that have run this race before, can you offer any help?
>
> I bought a 90 XJ pretty cheap knowing there was a problem with the ABS
> system. Since the vehicle's ABS system still has an active safety recall on
> it, I felt I had to take it to the dealership for service. However, because
> a fault code points to my controller - $1100 for the part. They say they
> need to replace the controller BEFORE they can get into the recall portion
> of the repair. The car has 140K on it, so I am over the extended warranty on
> the ENTIRE ABS system, but I should be covered on the "lifetime" coverage on
> the recall for the actuator assy and the pump/motor assy.
>
> I also had the dealer run up an estimate on converting the vehicle to a
> non-ABS power brake system, as had been recommended by others on the list.
> Their estimate was $1300 parts/labor.
>
> My questions follow:
>
> 1. What is the reliability of the ABS system AFTER the necessary repairs are
> done?
> 2. Is it possible that a malfunctioning actuator/pump/motor components could
> have fried the controller, and if so, should/would D-C pay for the
> controller as well?
> 3. If their ABS system on these vehicles is so bad, shouldn't they be
> converting all of the malfunctioning systems to non-ABS and paying for that
> repair?
> 4. Is the dealer trying to scare me away from the ABS recall claim by making
> me pay for the controller up front - leaving me the option of paying for the
> downgrade out-of-pocket - so that D-C doesn't have to pay a cent for the
> recall work?
> 5. Does anyone have a number for a contact at D-C who could help clarify and
> sort this situation out?
> --
> Dana
> Port Kent, NY
>
> 93 YJ, 90 XJ, (76, 82 & 91 FSJ -deceased)
>
> "It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us and
> get them out of harm's way." GW Bush -Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005

Re: 90 XJ ABS nightmare (long)
 

My local $tealer tried to soak me for a mess of unneeded stuff rather
than do the recall first. I got my money back on all the labor when I
went to the service manager and raised ----. I guess the fact I caught
them charging taxes on stuff that is tax free might have helped my case,
but....

I would insist on the recall period. Then if it doesn't work, they can
change other parts or you can just pull the relays and do without the
ABS anyway.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Dana Rohleder wrote:
>
> For those of you that have run this race before, can you offer any help?
>
> I bought a 90 XJ pretty cheap knowing there was a problem with the ABS
> system. Since the vehicle's ABS system still has an active safety recall on
> it, I felt I had to take it to the dealership for service. However, because
> a fault code points to my controller - $1100 for the part. They say they
> need to replace the controller BEFORE they can get into the recall portion
> of the repair. The car has 140K on it, so I am over the extended warranty on
> the ENTIRE ABS system, but I should be covered on the "lifetime" coverage on
> the recall for the actuator assy and the pump/motor assy.
>
> I also had the dealer run up an estimate on converting the vehicle to a
> non-ABS power brake system, as had been recommended by others on the list.
> Their estimate was $1300 parts/labor.
>
> My questions follow:
>
> 1. What is the reliability of the ABS system AFTER the necessary repairs are
> done?
> 2. Is it possible that a malfunctioning actuator/pump/motor components could
> have fried the controller, and if so, should/would D-C pay for the
> controller as well?
> 3. If their ABS system on these vehicles is so bad, shouldn't they be
> converting all of the malfunctioning systems to non-ABS and paying for that
> repair?
> 4. Is the dealer trying to scare me away from the ABS recall claim by making
> me pay for the controller up front - leaving me the option of paying for the
> downgrade out-of-pocket - so that D-C doesn't have to pay a cent for the
> recall work?
> 5. Does anyone have a number for a contact at D-C who could help clarify and
> sort this situation out?
> --
> Dana
> Port Kent, NY
>
> 93 YJ, 90 XJ, (76, 82 & 91 FSJ -deceased)
>
> "It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us and
> get them out of harm's way." GW Bush -Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005

Re: 90 XJ ABS nightmare (long)
 

Mike,

I already tried that. Unfortunately, pulling the relays on this system
disabled the power assist, since it runs from the pump, not vacuum.

Do you recall which unneeded parts they soaked you for?
--
Dana Rohleder
Port Kent, NY

"It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us and
get them out of harm's way." GW Bush -Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:42861A79.6571CCFF@sympatico.ca...
> My local $tealer tried to soak me for a mess of unneeded stuff rather
> than do the recall first. I got my money back on all the labor when I
> went to the service manager and raised ----. I guess the fact I caught
> them charging taxes on stuff that is tax free might have helped my case,
> but....
>
> I would insist on the recall period. Then if it doesn't work, they can
> change other parts or you can just pull the relays and do without the
> ABS anyway.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Dana Rohleder wrote:
>>
>> For those of you that have run this race before, can you offer any help?
>>
>> I bought a 90 XJ pretty cheap knowing there was a problem with the ABS
>> system. Since the vehicle's ABS system still has an active safety recall
>> on
>> it, I felt I had to take it to the dealership for service. However,
>> because
>> a fault code points to my controller - $1100 for the part. They say they
>> need to replace the controller BEFORE they can get into the recall
>> portion
>> of the repair. The car has 140K on it, so I am over the extended warranty
>> on
>> the ENTIRE ABS system, but I should be covered on the "lifetime" coverage
>> on
>> the recall for the actuator assy and the pump/motor assy.
>>
>> I also had the dealer run up an estimate on converting the vehicle to a
>> non-ABS power brake system, as had been recommended by others on the
>> list.
>> Their estimate was $1300 parts/labor.
>>
>> My questions follow:
>>
>> 1. What is the reliability of the ABS system AFTER the necessary repairs
>> are
>> done?
>> 2. Is it possible that a malfunctioning actuator/pump/motor components
>> could
>> have fried the controller, and if so, should/would D-C pay for the
>> controller as well?
>> 3. If their ABS system on these vehicles is so bad, shouldn't they be
>> converting all of the malfunctioning systems to non-ABS and paying for
>> that
>> repair?
>> 4. Is the dealer trying to scare me away from the ABS recall claim by
>> making
>> me pay for the controller up front - leaving me the option of paying for
>> the
>> downgrade out-of-pocket - so that D-C doesn't have to pay a cent for the
>> recall work?
>> 5. Does anyone have a number for a contact at D-C who could help clarify
>> and
>> sort this situation out?
>> --
>> Dana
>> Port Kent, NY
>>
>> 93 YJ, 90 XJ, (76, 82 & 91 FSJ -deceased)
>>
>> "It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us
>> and
>> get them out of harm's way." GW Bush -Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005