Lift install NIGHTMARE
11-19-2005, 12:13 PM
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Lift install NIGHTMARE
This is long, but it details the problems my friend Shaun and I had
installing a Rubicon 3.5" Super-Ride system (With full rear sprins) on my 91
XJ Laredo. Luckily, we had a vehicle lift, a big air gun, plenty of air, a
welder, and plenty of drills, grinders, and other power tools.
We started on Friday at 3pm. We didn't leave the shop untill Saturday at
3am. Let me tell you, I have a new respect for stuck bolts.
All four rear leaf spring bolts were siezed. I was able to heat 3 of the 4
with a torch and muscle them out. The last, the passenger side front leaf
spring bolt.. sheared off in the bushing AND broke the weld-nut inside the
frame. Yes, I broke them both. We had to bend the spring hangar and cut the
spring eye in half. THEN we had to cut the bolt - it turned out the
bushing's sleeve had siezed to the bolt. Now we had a hole in the frame with
a broken weld-nut and a piece of bolt sticking out. Not good. Plasma cutter
wasn't working. We decided to cut a hole in the frame extension welded on
where the weld-nut resided, pull it out, and weld a new piece in place with
a new weld nut. Without the plasma cutter, we resorted to an air-driven die
grinder. Two hours later, the patch was welded into place. The remainder of
the rear was pretty uneventful, but I had to loose the crappy tow hitch.
What is it with this passenger side? Lower control arm, upper bolt. Same
thing. Seized sleeve in the bushing. Ridiculous. We ground it down to flush
with the bracket, put a pickle fork between the braket and used a BFH to
make a gap and rip the control arm out. Then, for some reason, on the
install of the new control arms, the bolt I had just taken out of the
driver's side lower control arm frame end mount wouldn't go back thru the
frame. None of them would. Scrounge up another bolt..
So we installed a longer rear brake line, and I tried to re-position the
driver's side front brake line mount after I straightened the tubes as
outlined by RE. No dice. Either way, we need to bleed the brakes. This is
about 230am. Both rear brake bleeders BROKE OFF. Try the pedal. NOTHING.
Said forget it, let a shop fix the brakes. Cleaned up and drove home 20
miles with my E-brake.
This RE 3.5" lift was a FIGHT every step of the way, an absolute nightmare.
I don't think that it had anything to do with Rubicon's parts, design, or
quality. The kit with the DT3 shocks rides well and smooth. Most of the
parts were correct and fit well. I did have to bore out one side of one
lower control arm axle end bolt hole. I also re-drilled the track bar mount.
To make matters worse, my spare car that i was going to give to someone whom
had their house burn down.... it was stolen last night!
All I can say is..wow..
Carl
installing a Rubicon 3.5" Super-Ride system (With full rear sprins) on my 91
XJ Laredo. Luckily, we had a vehicle lift, a big air gun, plenty of air, a
welder, and plenty of drills, grinders, and other power tools.
We started on Friday at 3pm. We didn't leave the shop untill Saturday at
3am. Let me tell you, I have a new respect for stuck bolts.
All four rear leaf spring bolts were siezed. I was able to heat 3 of the 4
with a torch and muscle them out. The last, the passenger side front leaf
spring bolt.. sheared off in the bushing AND broke the weld-nut inside the
frame. Yes, I broke them both. We had to bend the spring hangar and cut the
spring eye in half. THEN we had to cut the bolt - it turned out the
bushing's sleeve had siezed to the bolt. Now we had a hole in the frame with
a broken weld-nut and a piece of bolt sticking out. Not good. Plasma cutter
wasn't working. We decided to cut a hole in the frame extension welded on
where the weld-nut resided, pull it out, and weld a new piece in place with
a new weld nut. Without the plasma cutter, we resorted to an air-driven die
grinder. Two hours later, the patch was welded into place. The remainder of
the rear was pretty uneventful, but I had to loose the crappy tow hitch.
What is it with this passenger side? Lower control arm, upper bolt. Same
thing. Seized sleeve in the bushing. Ridiculous. We ground it down to flush
with the bracket, put a pickle fork between the braket and used a BFH to
make a gap and rip the control arm out. Then, for some reason, on the
install of the new control arms, the bolt I had just taken out of the
driver's side lower control arm frame end mount wouldn't go back thru the
frame. None of them would. Scrounge up another bolt..
So we installed a longer rear brake line, and I tried to re-position the
driver's side front brake line mount after I straightened the tubes as
outlined by RE. No dice. Either way, we need to bleed the brakes. This is
about 230am. Both rear brake bleeders BROKE OFF. Try the pedal. NOTHING.
Said forget it, let a shop fix the brakes. Cleaned up and drove home 20
miles with my E-brake.
This RE 3.5" lift was a FIGHT every step of the way, an absolute nightmare.
I don't think that it had anything to do with Rubicon's parts, design, or
quality. The kit with the DT3 shocks rides well and smooth. Most of the
parts were correct and fit well. I did have to bore out one side of one
lower control arm axle end bolt hole. I also re-drilled the track bar mount.
To make matters worse, my spare car that i was going to give to someone whom
had their house burn down.... it was stolen last night!
All I can say is..wow..
Carl
11-19-2005, 12:25 PM
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Re: Lift install NIGHTMARE
2 words: PB Blaster.
"Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:CJudnbpZOKfdwOLeRVn-tg@comcast.com...
> This is long, but it details the problems my friend Shaun and I had
> installing a Rubicon 3.5" Super-Ride system (With full rear sprins) on my
> 91 XJ Laredo. Luckily, we had a vehicle lift, a big air gun, plenty of
> air, a welder, and plenty of drills, grinders, and other power tools.
>
> We started on Friday at 3pm. We didn't leave the shop untill Saturday at
> 3am. Let me tell you, I have a new respect for stuck bolts.
>
> All four rear leaf spring bolts were siezed. I was able to heat 3 of the 4
> with a torch and muscle them out. The last, the passenger side front leaf
> spring bolt.. sheared off in the bushing AND broke the weld-nut inside the
> frame. Yes, I broke them both. We had to bend the spring hangar and cut
> the spring eye in half. THEN we had to cut the bolt - it turned out the
> bushing's sleeve had siezed to the bolt. Now we had a hole in the frame
> with a broken weld-nut and a piece of bolt sticking out. Not good. Plasma
> cutter wasn't working. We decided to cut a hole in the frame extension
> welded on where the weld-nut resided, pull it out, and weld a new piece in
> place with a new weld nut. Without the plasma cutter, we resorted to an
> air-driven die grinder. Two hours later, the patch was welded into place.
> The remainder of the rear was pretty uneventful, but I had to loose the
> crappy tow hitch.
>
> What is it with this passenger side? Lower control arm, upper bolt. Same
> thing. Seized sleeve in the bushing. Ridiculous. We ground it down to
> flush with the bracket, put a pickle fork between the braket and used a
> BFH to make a gap and rip the control arm out. Then, for some reason, on
> the install of the new control arms, the bolt I had just taken out of the
> driver's side lower control arm frame end mount wouldn't go back thru the
> frame. None of them would. Scrounge up another bolt..
>
> So we installed a longer rear brake line, and I tried to re-position the
> driver's side front brake line mount after I straightened the tubes as
> outlined by RE. No dice. Either way, we need to bleed the brakes. This is
> about 230am. Both rear brake bleeders BROKE OFF. Try the pedal. NOTHING.
> Said forget it, let a shop fix the brakes. Cleaned up and drove home 20
> miles with my E-brake.
>
> This RE 3.5" lift was a FIGHT every step of the way, an absolute
> nightmare. I don't think that it had anything to do with Rubicon's parts,
> design, or quality. The kit with the DT3 shocks rides well and smooth.
> Most of the parts were correct and fit well. I did have to bore out one
> side of one lower control arm axle end bolt hole. I also re-drilled the
> track bar mount.
>
> To make matters worse, my spare car that i was going to give to someone
> whom had their house burn down.... it was stolen last night!
>
> All I can say is..wow..
>
> Carl
>
"Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:CJudnbpZOKfdwOLeRVn-tg@comcast.com...
> This is long, but it details the problems my friend Shaun and I had
> installing a Rubicon 3.5" Super-Ride system (With full rear sprins) on my
> 91 XJ Laredo. Luckily, we had a vehicle lift, a big air gun, plenty of
> air, a welder, and plenty of drills, grinders, and other power tools.
>
> We started on Friday at 3pm. We didn't leave the shop untill Saturday at
> 3am. Let me tell you, I have a new respect for stuck bolts.
>
> All four rear leaf spring bolts were siezed. I was able to heat 3 of the 4
> with a torch and muscle them out. The last, the passenger side front leaf
> spring bolt.. sheared off in the bushing AND broke the weld-nut inside the
> frame. Yes, I broke them both. We had to bend the spring hangar and cut
> the spring eye in half. THEN we had to cut the bolt - it turned out the
> bushing's sleeve had siezed to the bolt. Now we had a hole in the frame
> with a broken weld-nut and a piece of bolt sticking out. Not good. Plasma
> cutter wasn't working. We decided to cut a hole in the frame extension
> welded on where the weld-nut resided, pull it out, and weld a new piece in
> place with a new weld nut. Without the plasma cutter, we resorted to an
> air-driven die grinder. Two hours later, the patch was welded into place.
> The remainder of the rear was pretty uneventful, but I had to loose the
> crappy tow hitch.
>
> What is it with this passenger side? Lower control arm, upper bolt. Same
> thing. Seized sleeve in the bushing. Ridiculous. We ground it down to
> flush with the bracket, put a pickle fork between the braket and used a
> BFH to make a gap and rip the control arm out. Then, for some reason, on
> the install of the new control arms, the bolt I had just taken out of the
> driver's side lower control arm frame end mount wouldn't go back thru the
> frame. None of them would. Scrounge up another bolt..
>
> So we installed a longer rear brake line, and I tried to re-position the
> driver's side front brake line mount after I straightened the tubes as
> outlined by RE. No dice. Either way, we need to bleed the brakes. This is
> about 230am. Both rear brake bleeders BROKE OFF. Try the pedal. NOTHING.
> Said forget it, let a shop fix the brakes. Cleaned up and drove home 20
> miles with my E-brake.
>
> This RE 3.5" lift was a FIGHT every step of the way, an absolute
> nightmare. I don't think that it had anything to do with Rubicon's parts,
> design, or quality. The kit with the DT3 shocks rides well and smooth.
> Most of the parts were correct and fit well. I did have to bore out one
> side of one lower control arm axle end bolt hole. I also re-drilled the
> track bar mount.
>
> To make matters worse, my spare car that i was going to give to someone
> whom had their house burn down.... it was stolen last night!
>
> All I can say is..wow..
>
> Carl
>
11-19-2005, 12:25 PM
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Re: Lift install NIGHTMARE
2 words: PB Blaster.
"Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:CJudnbpZOKfdwOLeRVn-tg@comcast.com...
> This is long, but it details the problems my friend Shaun and I had
> installing a Rubicon 3.5" Super-Ride system (With full rear sprins) on my
> 91 XJ Laredo. Luckily, we had a vehicle lift, a big air gun, plenty of
> air, a welder, and plenty of drills, grinders, and other power tools.
>
> We started on Friday at 3pm. We didn't leave the shop untill Saturday at
> 3am. Let me tell you, I have a new respect for stuck bolts.
>
> All four rear leaf spring bolts were siezed. I was able to heat 3 of the 4
> with a torch and muscle them out. The last, the passenger side front leaf
> spring bolt.. sheared off in the bushing AND broke the weld-nut inside the
> frame. Yes, I broke them both. We had to bend the spring hangar and cut
> the spring eye in half. THEN we had to cut the bolt - it turned out the
> bushing's sleeve had siezed to the bolt. Now we had a hole in the frame
> with a broken weld-nut and a piece of bolt sticking out. Not good. Plasma
> cutter wasn't working. We decided to cut a hole in the frame extension
> welded on where the weld-nut resided, pull it out, and weld a new piece in
> place with a new weld nut. Without the plasma cutter, we resorted to an
> air-driven die grinder. Two hours later, the patch was welded into place.
> The remainder of the rear was pretty uneventful, but I had to loose the
> crappy tow hitch.
>
> What is it with this passenger side? Lower control arm, upper bolt. Same
> thing. Seized sleeve in the bushing. Ridiculous. We ground it down to
> flush with the bracket, put a pickle fork between the braket and used a
> BFH to make a gap and rip the control arm out. Then, for some reason, on
> the install of the new control arms, the bolt I had just taken out of the
> driver's side lower control arm frame end mount wouldn't go back thru the
> frame. None of them would. Scrounge up another bolt..
>
> So we installed a longer rear brake line, and I tried to re-position the
> driver's side front brake line mount after I straightened the tubes as
> outlined by RE. No dice. Either way, we need to bleed the brakes. This is
> about 230am. Both rear brake bleeders BROKE OFF. Try the pedal. NOTHING.
> Said forget it, let a shop fix the brakes. Cleaned up and drove home 20
> miles with my E-brake.
>
> This RE 3.5" lift was a FIGHT every step of the way, an absolute
> nightmare. I don't think that it had anything to do with Rubicon's parts,
> design, or quality. The kit with the DT3 shocks rides well and smooth.
> Most of the parts were correct and fit well. I did have to bore out one
> side of one lower control arm axle end bolt hole. I also re-drilled the
> track bar mount.
>
> To make matters worse, my spare car that i was going to give to someone
> whom had their house burn down.... it was stolen last night!
>
> All I can say is..wow..
>
> Carl
>
"Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:CJudnbpZOKfdwOLeRVn-tg@comcast.com...
> This is long, but it details the problems my friend Shaun and I had
> installing a Rubicon 3.5" Super-Ride system (With full rear sprins) on my
> 91 XJ Laredo. Luckily, we had a vehicle lift, a big air gun, plenty of
> air, a welder, and plenty of drills, grinders, and other power tools.
>
> We started on Friday at 3pm. We didn't leave the shop untill Saturday at
> 3am. Let me tell you, I have a new respect for stuck bolts.
>
> All four rear leaf spring bolts were siezed. I was able to heat 3 of the 4
> with a torch and muscle them out. The last, the passenger side front leaf
> spring bolt.. sheared off in the bushing AND broke the weld-nut inside the
> frame. Yes, I broke them both. We had to bend the spring hangar and cut
> the spring eye in half. THEN we had to cut the bolt - it turned out the
> bushing's sleeve had siezed to the bolt. Now we had a hole in the frame
> with a broken weld-nut and a piece of bolt sticking out. Not good. Plasma
> cutter wasn't working. We decided to cut a hole in the frame extension
> welded on where the weld-nut resided, pull it out, and weld a new piece in
> place with a new weld nut. Without the plasma cutter, we resorted to an
> air-driven die grinder. Two hours later, the patch was welded into place.
> The remainder of the rear was pretty uneventful, but I had to loose the
> crappy tow hitch.
>
> What is it with this passenger side? Lower control arm, upper bolt. Same
> thing. Seized sleeve in the bushing. Ridiculous. We ground it down to
> flush with the bracket, put a pickle fork between the braket and used a
> BFH to make a gap and rip the control arm out. Then, for some reason, on
> the install of the new control arms, the bolt I had just taken out of the
> driver's side lower control arm frame end mount wouldn't go back thru the
> frame. None of them would. Scrounge up another bolt..
>
> So we installed a longer rear brake line, and I tried to re-position the
> driver's side front brake line mount after I straightened the tubes as
> outlined by RE. No dice. Either way, we need to bleed the brakes. This is
> about 230am. Both rear brake bleeders BROKE OFF. Try the pedal. NOTHING.
> Said forget it, let a shop fix the brakes. Cleaned up and drove home 20
> miles with my E-brake.
>
> This RE 3.5" lift was a FIGHT every step of the way, an absolute
> nightmare. I don't think that it had anything to do with Rubicon's parts,
> design, or quality. The kit with the DT3 shocks rides well and smooth.
> Most of the parts were correct and fit well. I did have to bore out one
> side of one lower control arm axle end bolt hole. I also re-drilled the
> track bar mount.
>
> To make matters worse, my spare car that i was going to give to someone
> whom had their house burn down.... it was stolen last night!
>
> All I can say is..wow..
>
> Carl
>
11-19-2005, 12:25 PM
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Re: Lift install NIGHTMARE
2 words: PB Blaster.
"Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:CJudnbpZOKfdwOLeRVn-tg@comcast.com...
> This is long, but it details the problems my friend Shaun and I had
> installing a Rubicon 3.5" Super-Ride system (With full rear sprins) on my
> 91 XJ Laredo. Luckily, we had a vehicle lift, a big air gun, plenty of
> air, a welder, and plenty of drills, grinders, and other power tools.
>
> We started on Friday at 3pm. We didn't leave the shop untill Saturday at
> 3am. Let me tell you, I have a new respect for stuck bolts.
>
> All four rear leaf spring bolts were siezed. I was able to heat 3 of the 4
> with a torch and muscle them out. The last, the passenger side front leaf
> spring bolt.. sheared off in the bushing AND broke the weld-nut inside the
> frame. Yes, I broke them both. We had to bend the spring hangar and cut
> the spring eye in half. THEN we had to cut the bolt - it turned out the
> bushing's sleeve had siezed to the bolt. Now we had a hole in the frame
> with a broken weld-nut and a piece of bolt sticking out. Not good. Plasma
> cutter wasn't working. We decided to cut a hole in the frame extension
> welded on where the weld-nut resided, pull it out, and weld a new piece in
> place with a new weld nut. Without the plasma cutter, we resorted to an
> air-driven die grinder. Two hours later, the patch was welded into place.
> The remainder of the rear was pretty uneventful, but I had to loose the
> crappy tow hitch.
>
> What is it with this passenger side? Lower control arm, upper bolt. Same
> thing. Seized sleeve in the bushing. Ridiculous. We ground it down to
> flush with the bracket, put a pickle fork between the braket and used a
> BFH to make a gap and rip the control arm out. Then, for some reason, on
> the install of the new control arms, the bolt I had just taken out of the
> driver's side lower control arm frame end mount wouldn't go back thru the
> frame. None of them would. Scrounge up another bolt..
>
> So we installed a longer rear brake line, and I tried to re-position the
> driver's side front brake line mount after I straightened the tubes as
> outlined by RE. No dice. Either way, we need to bleed the brakes. This is
> about 230am. Both rear brake bleeders BROKE OFF. Try the pedal. NOTHING.
> Said forget it, let a shop fix the brakes. Cleaned up and drove home 20
> miles with my E-brake.
>
> This RE 3.5" lift was a FIGHT every step of the way, an absolute
> nightmare. I don't think that it had anything to do with Rubicon's parts,
> design, or quality. The kit with the DT3 shocks rides well and smooth.
> Most of the parts were correct and fit well. I did have to bore out one
> side of one lower control arm axle end bolt hole. I also re-drilled the
> track bar mount.
>
> To make matters worse, my spare car that i was going to give to someone
> whom had their house burn down.... it was stolen last night!
>
> All I can say is..wow..
>
> Carl
>
"Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:CJudnbpZOKfdwOLeRVn-tg@comcast.com...
> This is long, but it details the problems my friend Shaun and I had
> installing a Rubicon 3.5" Super-Ride system (With full rear sprins) on my
> 91 XJ Laredo. Luckily, we had a vehicle lift, a big air gun, plenty of
> air, a welder, and plenty of drills, grinders, and other power tools.
>
> We started on Friday at 3pm. We didn't leave the shop untill Saturday at
> 3am. Let me tell you, I have a new respect for stuck bolts.
>
> All four rear leaf spring bolts were siezed. I was able to heat 3 of the 4
> with a torch and muscle them out. The last, the passenger side front leaf
> spring bolt.. sheared off in the bushing AND broke the weld-nut inside the
> frame. Yes, I broke them both. We had to bend the spring hangar and cut
> the spring eye in half. THEN we had to cut the bolt - it turned out the
> bushing's sleeve had siezed to the bolt. Now we had a hole in the frame
> with a broken weld-nut and a piece of bolt sticking out. Not good. Plasma
> cutter wasn't working. We decided to cut a hole in the frame extension
> welded on where the weld-nut resided, pull it out, and weld a new piece in
> place with a new weld nut. Without the plasma cutter, we resorted to an
> air-driven die grinder. Two hours later, the patch was welded into place.
> The remainder of the rear was pretty uneventful, but I had to loose the
> crappy tow hitch.
>
> What is it with this passenger side? Lower control arm, upper bolt. Same
> thing. Seized sleeve in the bushing. Ridiculous. We ground it down to
> flush with the bracket, put a pickle fork between the braket and used a
> BFH to make a gap and rip the control arm out. Then, for some reason, on
> the install of the new control arms, the bolt I had just taken out of the
> driver's side lower control arm frame end mount wouldn't go back thru the
> frame. None of them would. Scrounge up another bolt..
>
> So we installed a longer rear brake line, and I tried to re-position the
> driver's side front brake line mount after I straightened the tubes as
> outlined by RE. No dice. Either way, we need to bleed the brakes. This is
> about 230am. Both rear brake bleeders BROKE OFF. Try the pedal. NOTHING.
> Said forget it, let a shop fix the brakes. Cleaned up and drove home 20
> miles with my E-brake.
>
> This RE 3.5" lift was a FIGHT every step of the way, an absolute
> nightmare. I don't think that it had anything to do with Rubicon's parts,
> design, or quality. The kit with the DT3 shocks rides well and smooth.
> Most of the parts were correct and fit well. I did have to bore out one
> side of one lower control arm axle end bolt hole. I also re-drilled the
> track bar mount.
>
> To make matters worse, my spare car that i was going to give to someone
> whom had their house burn down.... it was stolen last night!
>
> All I can say is..wow..
>
> Carl
>
11-19-2005, 12:35 PM
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Re: Lift install NIGHTMARE
2 words: three cans.
Carl
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
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>2 words: PB Blaster.
>
> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:CJudnbpZOKfdwOLeRVn-tg@comcast.com...
>> This is long, but it details the problems my friend Shaun and I had
>> installing a Rubicon 3.5" Super-Ride system (With full rear sprins) on my
>> 91 XJ Laredo. Luckily, we had a vehicle lift, a big air gun, plenty of
>> air, a welder, and plenty of drills, grinders, and other power tools.
>>
>> We started on Friday at 3pm. We didn't leave the shop untill Saturday at
>> 3am. Let me tell you, I have a new respect for stuck bolts.
>>
>> All four rear leaf spring bolts were siezed. I was able to heat 3 of the
>> 4 with a torch and muscle them out. The last, the passenger side front
>> leaf spring bolt.. sheared off in the bushing AND broke the weld-nut
>> inside the frame. Yes, I broke them both. We had to bend the spring
>> hangar and cut the spring eye in half. THEN we had to cut the bolt - it
>> turned out the bushing's sleeve had siezed to the bolt. Now we had a hole
>> in the frame with a broken weld-nut and a piece of bolt sticking out. Not
>> good. Plasma cutter wasn't working. We decided to cut a hole in the frame
>> extension welded on where the weld-nut resided, pull it out, and weld a
>> new piece in place with a new weld nut. Without the plasma cutter, we
>> resorted to an air-driven die grinder. Two hours later, the patch was
>> welded into place. The remainder of the rear was pretty uneventful, but I
>> had to loose the crappy tow hitch.
>>
>> What is it with this passenger side? Lower control arm, upper bolt. Same
>> thing. Seized sleeve in the bushing. Ridiculous. We ground it down to
>> flush with the bracket, put a pickle fork between the braket and used a
>> BFH to make a gap and rip the control arm out. Then, for some reason, on
>> the install of the new control arms, the bolt I had just taken out of the
>> driver's side lower control arm frame end mount wouldn't go back thru the
>> frame. None of them would. Scrounge up another bolt..
>>
>> So we installed a longer rear brake line, and I tried to re-position the
>> driver's side front brake line mount after I straightened the tubes as
>> outlined by RE. No dice. Either way, we need to bleed the brakes. This is
>> about 230am. Both rear brake bleeders BROKE OFF. Try the pedal. NOTHING.
>> Said forget it, let a shop fix the brakes. Cleaned up and drove home 20
>> miles with my E-brake.
>>
>> This RE 3.5" lift was a FIGHT every step of the way, an absolute
>> nightmare. I don't think that it had anything to do with Rubicon's parts,
>> design, or quality. The kit with the DT3 shocks rides well and smooth.
>> Most of the parts were correct and fit well. I did have to bore out one
>> side of one lower control arm axle end bolt hole. I also re-drilled the
>> track bar mount.
>>
>> To make matters worse, my spare car that i was going to give to someone
>> whom had their house burn down.... it was stolen last night!
>>
>> All I can say is..wow..
>>
>> Carl
>>
>
>
Carl
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:3d2dndj4RPx8wuLeRVn-qA@comcast.com...
>2 words: PB Blaster.
>
> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:CJudnbpZOKfdwOLeRVn-tg@comcast.com...
>> This is long, but it details the problems my friend Shaun and I had
>> installing a Rubicon 3.5" Super-Ride system (With full rear sprins) on my
>> 91 XJ Laredo. Luckily, we had a vehicle lift, a big air gun, plenty of
>> air, a welder, and plenty of drills, grinders, and other power tools.
>>
>> We started on Friday at 3pm. We didn't leave the shop untill Saturday at
>> 3am. Let me tell you, I have a new respect for stuck bolts.
>>
>> All four rear leaf spring bolts were siezed. I was able to heat 3 of the
>> 4 with a torch and muscle them out. The last, the passenger side front
>> leaf spring bolt.. sheared off in the bushing AND broke the weld-nut
>> inside the frame. Yes, I broke them both. We had to bend the spring
>> hangar and cut the spring eye in half. THEN we had to cut the bolt - it
>> turned out the bushing's sleeve had siezed to the bolt. Now we had a hole
>> in the frame with a broken weld-nut and a piece of bolt sticking out. Not
>> good. Plasma cutter wasn't working. We decided to cut a hole in the frame
>> extension welded on where the weld-nut resided, pull it out, and weld a
>> new piece in place with a new weld nut. Without the plasma cutter, we
>> resorted to an air-driven die grinder. Two hours later, the patch was
>> welded into place. The remainder of the rear was pretty uneventful, but I
>> had to loose the crappy tow hitch.
>>
>> What is it with this passenger side? Lower control arm, upper bolt. Same
>> thing. Seized sleeve in the bushing. Ridiculous. We ground it down to
>> flush with the bracket, put a pickle fork between the braket and used a
>> BFH to make a gap and rip the control arm out. Then, for some reason, on
>> the install of the new control arms, the bolt I had just taken out of the
>> driver's side lower control arm frame end mount wouldn't go back thru the
>> frame. None of them would. Scrounge up another bolt..
>>
>> So we installed a longer rear brake line, and I tried to re-position the
>> driver's side front brake line mount after I straightened the tubes as
>> outlined by RE. No dice. Either way, we need to bleed the brakes. This is
>> about 230am. Both rear brake bleeders BROKE OFF. Try the pedal. NOTHING.
>> Said forget it, let a shop fix the brakes. Cleaned up and drove home 20
>> miles with my E-brake.
>>
>> This RE 3.5" lift was a FIGHT every step of the way, an absolute
>> nightmare. I don't think that it had anything to do with Rubicon's parts,
>> design, or quality. The kit with the DT3 shocks rides well and smooth.
>> Most of the parts were correct and fit well. I did have to bore out one
>> side of one lower control arm axle end bolt hole. I also re-drilled the
>> track bar mount.
>>
>> To make matters worse, my spare car that i was going to give to someone
>> whom had their house burn down.... it was stolen last night!
>>
>> All I can say is..wow..
>>
>> Carl
>>
>
>
11-19-2005, 12:35 PM
#6
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Lift install NIGHTMARE
2 words: three cans.
Carl
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:3d2dndj4RPx8wuLeRVn-qA@comcast.com...
>2 words: PB Blaster.
>
> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:CJudnbpZOKfdwOLeRVn-tg@comcast.com...
>> This is long, but it details the problems my friend Shaun and I had
>> installing a Rubicon 3.5" Super-Ride system (With full rear sprins) on my
>> 91 XJ Laredo. Luckily, we had a vehicle lift, a big air gun, plenty of
>> air, a welder, and plenty of drills, grinders, and other power tools.
>>
>> We started on Friday at 3pm. We didn't leave the shop untill Saturday at
>> 3am. Let me tell you, I have a new respect for stuck bolts.
>>
>> All four rear leaf spring bolts were siezed. I was able to heat 3 of the
>> 4 with a torch and muscle them out. The last, the passenger side front
>> leaf spring bolt.. sheared off in the bushing AND broke the weld-nut
>> inside the frame. Yes, I broke them both. We had to bend the spring
>> hangar and cut the spring eye in half. THEN we had to cut the bolt - it
>> turned out the bushing's sleeve had siezed to the bolt. Now we had a hole
>> in the frame with a broken weld-nut and a piece of bolt sticking out. Not
>> good. Plasma cutter wasn't working. We decided to cut a hole in the frame
>> extension welded on where the weld-nut resided, pull it out, and weld a
>> new piece in place with a new weld nut. Without the plasma cutter, we
>> resorted to an air-driven die grinder. Two hours later, the patch was
>> welded into place. The remainder of the rear was pretty uneventful, but I
>> had to loose the crappy tow hitch.
>>
>> What is it with this passenger side? Lower control arm, upper bolt. Same
>> thing. Seized sleeve in the bushing. Ridiculous. We ground it down to
>> flush with the bracket, put a pickle fork between the braket and used a
>> BFH to make a gap and rip the control arm out. Then, for some reason, on
>> the install of the new control arms, the bolt I had just taken out of the
>> driver's side lower control arm frame end mount wouldn't go back thru the
>> frame. None of them would. Scrounge up another bolt..
>>
>> So we installed a longer rear brake line, and I tried to re-position the
>> driver's side front brake line mount after I straightened the tubes as
>> outlined by RE. No dice. Either way, we need to bleed the brakes. This is
>> about 230am. Both rear brake bleeders BROKE OFF. Try the pedal. NOTHING.
>> Said forget it, let a shop fix the brakes. Cleaned up and drove home 20
>> miles with my E-brake.
>>
>> This RE 3.5" lift was a FIGHT every step of the way, an absolute
>> nightmare. I don't think that it had anything to do with Rubicon's parts,
>> design, or quality. The kit with the DT3 shocks rides well and smooth.
>> Most of the parts were correct and fit well. I did have to bore out one
>> side of one lower control arm axle end bolt hole. I also re-drilled the
>> track bar mount.
>>
>> To make matters worse, my spare car that i was going to give to someone
>> whom had their house burn down.... it was stolen last night!
>>
>> All I can say is..wow..
>>
>> Carl
>>
>
>
Carl
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:3d2dndj4RPx8wuLeRVn-qA@comcast.com...
>2 words: PB Blaster.
>
> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:CJudnbpZOKfdwOLeRVn-tg@comcast.com...
>> This is long, but it details the problems my friend Shaun and I had
>> installing a Rubicon 3.5" Super-Ride system (With full rear sprins) on my
>> 91 XJ Laredo. Luckily, we had a vehicle lift, a big air gun, plenty of
>> air, a welder, and plenty of drills, grinders, and other power tools.
>>
>> We started on Friday at 3pm. We didn't leave the shop untill Saturday at
>> 3am. Let me tell you, I have a new respect for stuck bolts.
>>
>> All four rear leaf spring bolts were siezed. I was able to heat 3 of the
>> 4 with a torch and muscle them out. The last, the passenger side front
>> leaf spring bolt.. sheared off in the bushing AND broke the weld-nut
>> inside the frame. Yes, I broke them both. We had to bend the spring
>> hangar and cut the spring eye in half. THEN we had to cut the bolt - it
>> turned out the bushing's sleeve had siezed to the bolt. Now we had a hole
>> in the frame with a broken weld-nut and a piece of bolt sticking out. Not
>> good. Plasma cutter wasn't working. We decided to cut a hole in the frame
>> extension welded on where the weld-nut resided, pull it out, and weld a
>> new piece in place with a new weld nut. Without the plasma cutter, we
>> resorted to an air-driven die grinder. Two hours later, the patch was
>> welded into place. The remainder of the rear was pretty uneventful, but I
>> had to loose the crappy tow hitch.
>>
>> What is it with this passenger side? Lower control arm, upper bolt. Same
>> thing. Seized sleeve in the bushing. Ridiculous. We ground it down to
>> flush with the bracket, put a pickle fork between the braket and used a
>> BFH to make a gap and rip the control arm out. Then, for some reason, on
>> the install of the new control arms, the bolt I had just taken out of the
>> driver's side lower control arm frame end mount wouldn't go back thru the
>> frame. None of them would. Scrounge up another bolt..
>>
>> So we installed a longer rear brake line, and I tried to re-position the
>> driver's side front brake line mount after I straightened the tubes as
>> outlined by RE. No dice. Either way, we need to bleed the brakes. This is
>> about 230am. Both rear brake bleeders BROKE OFF. Try the pedal. NOTHING.
>> Said forget it, let a shop fix the brakes. Cleaned up and drove home 20
>> miles with my E-brake.
>>
>> This RE 3.5" lift was a FIGHT every step of the way, an absolute
>> nightmare. I don't think that it had anything to do with Rubicon's parts,
>> design, or quality. The kit with the DT3 shocks rides well and smooth.
>> Most of the parts were correct and fit well. I did have to bore out one
>> side of one lower control arm axle end bolt hole. I also re-drilled the
>> track bar mount.
>>
>> To make matters worse, my spare car that i was going to give to someone
>> whom had their house burn down.... it was stolen last night!
>>
>> All I can say is..wow..
>>
>> Carl
>>
>
>
11-19-2005, 12:35 PM
#7
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Lift install NIGHTMARE
2 words: three cans.
Carl
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:3d2dndj4RPx8wuLeRVn-qA@comcast.com...
>2 words: PB Blaster.
>
> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:CJudnbpZOKfdwOLeRVn-tg@comcast.com...
>> This is long, but it details the problems my friend Shaun and I had
>> installing a Rubicon 3.5" Super-Ride system (With full rear sprins) on my
>> 91 XJ Laredo. Luckily, we had a vehicle lift, a big air gun, plenty of
>> air, a welder, and plenty of drills, grinders, and other power tools.
>>
>> We started on Friday at 3pm. We didn't leave the shop untill Saturday at
>> 3am. Let me tell you, I have a new respect for stuck bolts.
>>
>> All four rear leaf spring bolts were siezed. I was able to heat 3 of the
>> 4 with a torch and muscle them out. The last, the passenger side front
>> leaf spring bolt.. sheared off in the bushing AND broke the weld-nut
>> inside the frame. Yes, I broke them both. We had to bend the spring
>> hangar and cut the spring eye in half. THEN we had to cut the bolt - it
>> turned out the bushing's sleeve had siezed to the bolt. Now we had a hole
>> in the frame with a broken weld-nut and a piece of bolt sticking out. Not
>> good. Plasma cutter wasn't working. We decided to cut a hole in the frame
>> extension welded on where the weld-nut resided, pull it out, and weld a
>> new piece in place with a new weld nut. Without the plasma cutter, we
>> resorted to an air-driven die grinder. Two hours later, the patch was
>> welded into place. The remainder of the rear was pretty uneventful, but I
>> had to loose the crappy tow hitch.
>>
>> What is it with this passenger side? Lower control arm, upper bolt. Same
>> thing. Seized sleeve in the bushing. Ridiculous. We ground it down to
>> flush with the bracket, put a pickle fork between the braket and used a
>> BFH to make a gap and rip the control arm out. Then, for some reason, on
>> the install of the new control arms, the bolt I had just taken out of the
>> driver's side lower control arm frame end mount wouldn't go back thru the
>> frame. None of them would. Scrounge up another bolt..
>>
>> So we installed a longer rear brake line, and I tried to re-position the
>> driver's side front brake line mount after I straightened the tubes as
>> outlined by RE. No dice. Either way, we need to bleed the brakes. This is
>> about 230am. Both rear brake bleeders BROKE OFF. Try the pedal. NOTHING.
>> Said forget it, let a shop fix the brakes. Cleaned up and drove home 20
>> miles with my E-brake.
>>
>> This RE 3.5" lift was a FIGHT every step of the way, an absolute
>> nightmare. I don't think that it had anything to do with Rubicon's parts,
>> design, or quality. The kit with the DT3 shocks rides well and smooth.
>> Most of the parts were correct and fit well. I did have to bore out one
>> side of one lower control arm axle end bolt hole. I also re-drilled the
>> track bar mount.
>>
>> To make matters worse, my spare car that i was going to give to someone
>> whom had their house burn down.... it was stolen last night!
>>
>> All I can say is..wow..
>>
>> Carl
>>
>
>
Carl
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:3d2dndj4RPx8wuLeRVn-qA@comcast.com...
>2 words: PB Blaster.
>
> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:CJudnbpZOKfdwOLeRVn-tg@comcast.com...
>> This is long, but it details the problems my friend Shaun and I had
>> installing a Rubicon 3.5" Super-Ride system (With full rear sprins) on my
>> 91 XJ Laredo. Luckily, we had a vehicle lift, a big air gun, plenty of
>> air, a welder, and plenty of drills, grinders, and other power tools.
>>
>> We started on Friday at 3pm. We didn't leave the shop untill Saturday at
>> 3am. Let me tell you, I have a new respect for stuck bolts.
>>
>> All four rear leaf spring bolts were siezed. I was able to heat 3 of the
>> 4 with a torch and muscle them out. The last, the passenger side front
>> leaf spring bolt.. sheared off in the bushing AND broke the weld-nut
>> inside the frame. Yes, I broke them both. We had to bend the spring
>> hangar and cut the spring eye in half. THEN we had to cut the bolt - it
>> turned out the bushing's sleeve had siezed to the bolt. Now we had a hole
>> in the frame with a broken weld-nut and a piece of bolt sticking out. Not
>> good. Plasma cutter wasn't working. We decided to cut a hole in the frame
>> extension welded on where the weld-nut resided, pull it out, and weld a
>> new piece in place with a new weld nut. Without the plasma cutter, we
>> resorted to an air-driven die grinder. Two hours later, the patch was
>> welded into place. The remainder of the rear was pretty uneventful, but I
>> had to loose the crappy tow hitch.
>>
>> What is it with this passenger side? Lower control arm, upper bolt. Same
>> thing. Seized sleeve in the bushing. Ridiculous. We ground it down to
>> flush with the bracket, put a pickle fork between the braket and used a
>> BFH to make a gap and rip the control arm out. Then, for some reason, on
>> the install of the new control arms, the bolt I had just taken out of the
>> driver's side lower control arm frame end mount wouldn't go back thru the
>> frame. None of them would. Scrounge up another bolt..
>>
>> So we installed a longer rear brake line, and I tried to re-position the
>> driver's side front brake line mount after I straightened the tubes as
>> outlined by RE. No dice. Either way, we need to bleed the brakes. This is
>> about 230am. Both rear brake bleeders BROKE OFF. Try the pedal. NOTHING.
>> Said forget it, let a shop fix the brakes. Cleaned up and drove home 20
>> miles with my E-brake.
>>
>> This RE 3.5" lift was a FIGHT every step of the way, an absolute
>> nightmare. I don't think that it had anything to do with Rubicon's parts,
>> design, or quality. The kit with the DT3 shocks rides well and smooth.
>> Most of the parts were correct and fit well. I did have to bore out one
>> side of one lower control arm axle end bolt hole. I also re-drilled the
>> track bar mount.
>>
>> To make matters worse, my spare car that i was going to give to someone
>> whom had their house burn down.... it was stolen last night!
>>
>> All I can say is..wow..
>>
>> Carl
>>
>
>
11-19-2005, 01:06 PM
#8
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Lift install NIGHTMARE
Ya gotta let the PB blaster work for several days for the really
stubborn stuff. Stubborn cases take a daily dose of heat then more PB
for a week. :( But once you snap the bolt, nothing to do but drill it out.
Carl wrote:
> 2 words: three cans.
>
> Carl
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:3d2dndj4RPx8wuLeRVn-qA@comcast.com...
>
>>2 words: PB Blaster.
>>
>>"Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:CJudnbpZOKfdwOLeRVn-tg@comcast.com...
>>
>>>This is long, but it details the problems my friend Shaun and I had
>>>installing a Rubicon 3.5" Super-Ride system (With full rear sprins) on my
>>>91 XJ Laredo. Luckily, we had a vehicle lift, a big air gun, plenty of
>>>air, a welder, and plenty of drills, grinders, and other power tools.
>>>
>>>We started on Friday at 3pm. We didn't leave the shop untill Saturday at
>>>3am. Let me tell you, I have a new respect for stuck bolts.
>>>
>>>All four rear leaf spring bolts were siezed. I was able to heat 3 of the
>>>4 with a torch and muscle them out. The last, the passenger side front
>>>leaf spring bolt.. sheared off in the bushing AND broke the weld-nut
>>>inside the frame. Yes, I broke them both. We had to bend the spring
>>>hangar and cut the spring eye in half. THEN we had to cut the bolt - it
>>>turned out the bushing's sleeve had siezed to the bolt. Now we had a hole
>>>in the frame with a broken weld-nut and a piece of bolt sticking out. Not
>>>good. Plasma cutter wasn't working. We decided to cut a hole in the frame
>>>extension welded on where the weld-nut resided, pull it out, and weld a
>>>new piece in place with a new weld nut. Without the plasma cutter, we
>>>resorted to an air-driven die grinder. Two hours later, the patch was
>>>welded into place. The remainder of the rear was pretty uneventful, but I
>>>had to loose the crappy tow hitch.
>>>
>>>What is it with this passenger side? Lower control arm, upper bolt. Same
>>>thing. Seized sleeve in the bushing. Ridiculous. We ground it down to
>>>flush with the bracket, put a pickle fork between the braket and used a
>>>BFH to make a gap and rip the control arm out. Then, for some reason, on
>>>the install of the new control arms, the bolt I had just taken out of the
>>>driver's side lower control arm frame end mount wouldn't go back thru the
>>>frame. None of them would. Scrounge up another bolt..
>>>
>>>So we installed a longer rear brake line, and I tried to re-position the
>>>driver's side front brake line mount after I straightened the tubes as
>>>outlined by RE. No dice. Either way, we need to bleed the brakes. This is
>>>about 230am. Both rear brake bleeders BROKE OFF. Try the pedal. NOTHING.
>>>Said forget it, let a shop fix the brakes. Cleaned up and drove home 20
>>>miles with my E-brake.
>>>
>>>This RE 3.5" lift was a FIGHT every step of the way, an absolute
>>>nightmare. I don't think that it had anything to do with Rubicon's parts,
>>>design, or quality. The kit with the DT3 shocks rides well and smooth.
>>>Most of the parts were correct and fit well. I did have to bore out one
>>>side of one lower control arm axle end bolt hole. I also re-drilled the
>>>track bar mount.
>>>
>>>To make matters worse, my spare car that i was going to give to someone
>>>whom had their house burn down.... it was stolen last night!
>>>
>>>All I can say is..wow..
>>>
>>>Carl
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
stubborn stuff. Stubborn cases take a daily dose of heat then more PB
for a week. :( But once you snap the bolt, nothing to do but drill it out.
Carl wrote:
> 2 words: three cans.
>
> Carl
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:3d2dndj4RPx8wuLeRVn-qA@comcast.com...
>
>>2 words: PB Blaster.
>>
>>"Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:CJudnbpZOKfdwOLeRVn-tg@comcast.com...
>>
>>>This is long, but it details the problems my friend Shaun and I had
>>>installing a Rubicon 3.5" Super-Ride system (With full rear sprins) on my
>>>91 XJ Laredo. Luckily, we had a vehicle lift, a big air gun, plenty of
>>>air, a welder, and plenty of drills, grinders, and other power tools.
>>>
>>>We started on Friday at 3pm. We didn't leave the shop untill Saturday at
>>>3am. Let me tell you, I have a new respect for stuck bolts.
>>>
>>>All four rear leaf spring bolts were siezed. I was able to heat 3 of the
>>>4 with a torch and muscle them out. The last, the passenger side front
>>>leaf spring bolt.. sheared off in the bushing AND broke the weld-nut
>>>inside the frame. Yes, I broke them both. We had to bend the spring
>>>hangar and cut the spring eye in half. THEN we had to cut the bolt - it
>>>turned out the bushing's sleeve had siezed to the bolt. Now we had a hole
>>>in the frame with a broken weld-nut and a piece of bolt sticking out. Not
>>>good. Plasma cutter wasn't working. We decided to cut a hole in the frame
>>>extension welded on where the weld-nut resided, pull it out, and weld a
>>>new piece in place with a new weld nut. Without the plasma cutter, we
>>>resorted to an air-driven die grinder. Two hours later, the patch was
>>>welded into place. The remainder of the rear was pretty uneventful, but I
>>>had to loose the crappy tow hitch.
>>>
>>>What is it with this passenger side? Lower control arm, upper bolt. Same
>>>thing. Seized sleeve in the bushing. Ridiculous. We ground it down to
>>>flush with the bracket, put a pickle fork between the braket and used a
>>>BFH to make a gap and rip the control arm out. Then, for some reason, on
>>>the install of the new control arms, the bolt I had just taken out of the
>>>driver's side lower control arm frame end mount wouldn't go back thru the
>>>frame. None of them would. Scrounge up another bolt..
>>>
>>>So we installed a longer rear brake line, and I tried to re-position the
>>>driver's side front brake line mount after I straightened the tubes as
>>>outlined by RE. No dice. Either way, we need to bleed the brakes. This is
>>>about 230am. Both rear brake bleeders BROKE OFF. Try the pedal. NOTHING.
>>>Said forget it, let a shop fix the brakes. Cleaned up and drove home 20
>>>miles with my E-brake.
>>>
>>>This RE 3.5" lift was a FIGHT every step of the way, an absolute
>>>nightmare. I don't think that it had anything to do with Rubicon's parts,
>>>design, or quality. The kit with the DT3 shocks rides well and smooth.
>>>Most of the parts were correct and fit well. I did have to bore out one
>>>side of one lower control arm axle end bolt hole. I also re-drilled the
>>>track bar mount.
>>>
>>>To make matters worse, my spare car that i was going to give to someone
>>>whom had their house burn down.... it was stolen last night!
>>>
>>>All I can say is..wow..
>>>
>>>Carl
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
11-19-2005, 01:06 PM
#9
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Lift install NIGHTMARE
Ya gotta let the PB blaster work for several days for the really
stubborn stuff. Stubborn cases take a daily dose of heat then more PB
for a week. :( But once you snap the bolt, nothing to do but drill it out.
Carl wrote:
> 2 words: three cans.
>
> Carl
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:3d2dndj4RPx8wuLeRVn-qA@comcast.com...
>
>>2 words: PB Blaster.
>>
>>"Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:CJudnbpZOKfdwOLeRVn-tg@comcast.com...
>>
>>>This is long, but it details the problems my friend Shaun and I had
>>>installing a Rubicon 3.5" Super-Ride system (With full rear sprins) on my
>>>91 XJ Laredo. Luckily, we had a vehicle lift, a big air gun, plenty of
>>>air, a welder, and plenty of drills, grinders, and other power tools.
>>>
>>>We started on Friday at 3pm. We didn't leave the shop untill Saturday at
>>>3am. Let me tell you, I have a new respect for stuck bolts.
>>>
>>>All four rear leaf spring bolts were siezed. I was able to heat 3 of the
>>>4 with a torch and muscle them out. The last, the passenger side front
>>>leaf spring bolt.. sheared off in the bushing AND broke the weld-nut
>>>inside the frame. Yes, I broke them both. We had to bend the spring
>>>hangar and cut the spring eye in half. THEN we had to cut the bolt - it
>>>turned out the bushing's sleeve had siezed to the bolt. Now we had a hole
>>>in the frame with a broken weld-nut and a piece of bolt sticking out. Not
>>>good. Plasma cutter wasn't working. We decided to cut a hole in the frame
>>>extension welded on where the weld-nut resided, pull it out, and weld a
>>>new piece in place with a new weld nut. Without the plasma cutter, we
>>>resorted to an air-driven die grinder. Two hours later, the patch was
>>>welded into place. The remainder of the rear was pretty uneventful, but I
>>>had to loose the crappy tow hitch.
>>>
>>>What is it with this passenger side? Lower control arm, upper bolt. Same
>>>thing. Seized sleeve in the bushing. Ridiculous. We ground it down to
>>>flush with the bracket, put a pickle fork between the braket and used a
>>>BFH to make a gap and rip the control arm out. Then, for some reason, on
>>>the install of the new control arms, the bolt I had just taken out of the
>>>driver's side lower control arm frame end mount wouldn't go back thru the
>>>frame. None of them would. Scrounge up another bolt..
>>>
>>>So we installed a longer rear brake line, and I tried to re-position the
>>>driver's side front brake line mount after I straightened the tubes as
>>>outlined by RE. No dice. Either way, we need to bleed the brakes. This is
>>>about 230am. Both rear brake bleeders BROKE OFF. Try the pedal. NOTHING.
>>>Said forget it, let a shop fix the brakes. Cleaned up and drove home 20
>>>miles with my E-brake.
>>>
>>>This RE 3.5" lift was a FIGHT every step of the way, an absolute
>>>nightmare. I don't think that it had anything to do with Rubicon's parts,
>>>design, or quality. The kit with the DT3 shocks rides well and smooth.
>>>Most of the parts were correct and fit well. I did have to bore out one
>>>side of one lower control arm axle end bolt hole. I also re-drilled the
>>>track bar mount.
>>>
>>>To make matters worse, my spare car that i was going to give to someone
>>>whom had their house burn down.... it was stolen last night!
>>>
>>>All I can say is..wow..
>>>
>>>Carl
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
stubborn stuff. Stubborn cases take a daily dose of heat then more PB
for a week. :( But once you snap the bolt, nothing to do but drill it out.
Carl wrote:
> 2 words: three cans.
>
> Carl
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:3d2dndj4RPx8wuLeRVn-qA@comcast.com...
>
>>2 words: PB Blaster.
>>
>>"Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:CJudnbpZOKfdwOLeRVn-tg@comcast.com...
>>
>>>This is long, but it details the problems my friend Shaun and I had
>>>installing a Rubicon 3.5" Super-Ride system (With full rear sprins) on my
>>>91 XJ Laredo. Luckily, we had a vehicle lift, a big air gun, plenty of
>>>air, a welder, and plenty of drills, grinders, and other power tools.
>>>
>>>We started on Friday at 3pm. We didn't leave the shop untill Saturday at
>>>3am. Let me tell you, I have a new respect for stuck bolts.
>>>
>>>All four rear leaf spring bolts were siezed. I was able to heat 3 of the
>>>4 with a torch and muscle them out. The last, the passenger side front
>>>leaf spring bolt.. sheared off in the bushing AND broke the weld-nut
>>>inside the frame. Yes, I broke them both. We had to bend the spring
>>>hangar and cut the spring eye in half. THEN we had to cut the bolt - it
>>>turned out the bushing's sleeve had siezed to the bolt. Now we had a hole
>>>in the frame with a broken weld-nut and a piece of bolt sticking out. Not
>>>good. Plasma cutter wasn't working. We decided to cut a hole in the frame
>>>extension welded on where the weld-nut resided, pull it out, and weld a
>>>new piece in place with a new weld nut. Without the plasma cutter, we
>>>resorted to an air-driven die grinder. Two hours later, the patch was
>>>welded into place. The remainder of the rear was pretty uneventful, but I
>>>had to loose the crappy tow hitch.
>>>
>>>What is it with this passenger side? Lower control arm, upper bolt. Same
>>>thing. Seized sleeve in the bushing. Ridiculous. We ground it down to
>>>flush with the bracket, put a pickle fork between the braket and used a
>>>BFH to make a gap and rip the control arm out. Then, for some reason, on
>>>the install of the new control arms, the bolt I had just taken out of the
>>>driver's side lower control arm frame end mount wouldn't go back thru the
>>>frame. None of them would. Scrounge up another bolt..
>>>
>>>So we installed a longer rear brake line, and I tried to re-position the
>>>driver's side front brake line mount after I straightened the tubes as
>>>outlined by RE. No dice. Either way, we need to bleed the brakes. This is
>>>about 230am. Both rear brake bleeders BROKE OFF. Try the pedal. NOTHING.
>>>Said forget it, let a shop fix the brakes. Cleaned up and drove home 20
>>>miles with my E-brake.
>>>
>>>This RE 3.5" lift was a FIGHT every step of the way, an absolute
>>>nightmare. I don't think that it had anything to do with Rubicon's parts,
>>>design, or quality. The kit with the DT3 shocks rides well and smooth.
>>>Most of the parts were correct and fit well. I did have to bore out one
>>>side of one lower control arm axle end bolt hole. I also re-drilled the
>>>track bar mount.
>>>
>>>To make matters worse, my spare car that i was going to give to someone
>>>whom had their house burn down.... it was stolen last night!
>>>
>>>All I can say is..wow..
>>>
>>>Carl
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
11-19-2005, 01:06 PM
#10
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Lift install NIGHTMARE
Ya gotta let the PB blaster work for several days for the really
stubborn stuff. Stubborn cases take a daily dose of heat then more PB
for a week. :( But once you snap the bolt, nothing to do but drill it out.
Carl wrote:
> 2 words: three cans.
>
> Carl
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:3d2dndj4RPx8wuLeRVn-qA@comcast.com...
>
>>2 words: PB Blaster.
>>
>>"Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:CJudnbpZOKfdwOLeRVn-tg@comcast.com...
>>
>>>This is long, but it details the problems my friend Shaun and I had
>>>installing a Rubicon 3.5" Super-Ride system (With full rear sprins) on my
>>>91 XJ Laredo. Luckily, we had a vehicle lift, a big air gun, plenty of
>>>air, a welder, and plenty of drills, grinders, and other power tools.
>>>
>>>We started on Friday at 3pm. We didn't leave the shop untill Saturday at
>>>3am. Let me tell you, I have a new respect for stuck bolts.
>>>
>>>All four rear leaf spring bolts were siezed. I was able to heat 3 of the
>>>4 with a torch and muscle them out. The last, the passenger side front
>>>leaf spring bolt.. sheared off in the bushing AND broke the weld-nut
>>>inside the frame. Yes, I broke them both. We had to bend the spring
>>>hangar and cut the spring eye in half. THEN we had to cut the bolt - it
>>>turned out the bushing's sleeve had siezed to the bolt. Now we had a hole
>>>in the frame with a broken weld-nut and a piece of bolt sticking out. Not
>>>good. Plasma cutter wasn't working. We decided to cut a hole in the frame
>>>extension welded on where the weld-nut resided, pull it out, and weld a
>>>new piece in place with a new weld nut. Without the plasma cutter, we
>>>resorted to an air-driven die grinder. Two hours later, the patch was
>>>welded into place. The remainder of the rear was pretty uneventful, but I
>>>had to loose the crappy tow hitch.
>>>
>>>What is it with this passenger side? Lower control arm, upper bolt. Same
>>>thing. Seized sleeve in the bushing. Ridiculous. We ground it down to
>>>flush with the bracket, put a pickle fork between the braket and used a
>>>BFH to make a gap and rip the control arm out. Then, for some reason, on
>>>the install of the new control arms, the bolt I had just taken out of the
>>>driver's side lower control arm frame end mount wouldn't go back thru the
>>>frame. None of them would. Scrounge up another bolt..
>>>
>>>So we installed a longer rear brake line, and I tried to re-position the
>>>driver's side front brake line mount after I straightened the tubes as
>>>outlined by RE. No dice. Either way, we need to bleed the brakes. This is
>>>about 230am. Both rear brake bleeders BROKE OFF. Try the pedal. NOTHING.
>>>Said forget it, let a shop fix the brakes. Cleaned up and drove home 20
>>>miles with my E-brake.
>>>
>>>This RE 3.5" lift was a FIGHT every step of the way, an absolute
>>>nightmare. I don't think that it had anything to do with Rubicon's parts,
>>>design, or quality. The kit with the DT3 shocks rides well and smooth.
>>>Most of the parts were correct and fit well. I did have to bore out one
>>>side of one lower control arm axle end bolt hole. I also re-drilled the
>>>track bar mount.
>>>
>>>To make matters worse, my spare car that i was going to give to someone
>>>whom had their house burn down.... it was stolen last night!
>>>
>>>All I can say is..wow..
>>>
>>>Carl
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
stubborn stuff. Stubborn cases take a daily dose of heat then more PB
for a week. :( But once you snap the bolt, nothing to do but drill it out.
Carl wrote:
> 2 words: three cans.
>
> Carl
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:3d2dndj4RPx8wuLeRVn-qA@comcast.com...
>
>>2 words: PB Blaster.
>>
>>"Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:CJudnbpZOKfdwOLeRVn-tg@comcast.com...
>>
>>>This is long, but it details the problems my friend Shaun and I had
>>>installing a Rubicon 3.5" Super-Ride system (With full rear sprins) on my
>>>91 XJ Laredo. Luckily, we had a vehicle lift, a big air gun, plenty of
>>>air, a welder, and plenty of drills, grinders, and other power tools.
>>>
>>>We started on Friday at 3pm. We didn't leave the shop untill Saturday at
>>>3am. Let me tell you, I have a new respect for stuck bolts.
>>>
>>>All four rear leaf spring bolts were siezed. I was able to heat 3 of the
>>>4 with a torch and muscle them out. The last, the passenger side front
>>>leaf spring bolt.. sheared off in the bushing AND broke the weld-nut
>>>inside the frame. Yes, I broke them both. We had to bend the spring
>>>hangar and cut the spring eye in half. THEN we had to cut the bolt - it
>>>turned out the bushing's sleeve had siezed to the bolt. Now we had a hole
>>>in the frame with a broken weld-nut and a piece of bolt sticking out. Not
>>>good. Plasma cutter wasn't working. We decided to cut a hole in the frame
>>>extension welded on where the weld-nut resided, pull it out, and weld a
>>>new piece in place with a new weld nut. Without the plasma cutter, we
>>>resorted to an air-driven die grinder. Two hours later, the patch was
>>>welded into place. The remainder of the rear was pretty uneventful, but I
>>>had to loose the crappy tow hitch.
>>>
>>>What is it with this passenger side? Lower control arm, upper bolt. Same
>>>thing. Seized sleeve in the bushing. Ridiculous. We ground it down to
>>>flush with the bracket, put a pickle fork between the braket and used a
>>>BFH to make a gap and rip the control arm out. Then, for some reason, on
>>>the install of the new control arms, the bolt I had just taken out of the
>>>driver's side lower control arm frame end mount wouldn't go back thru the
>>>frame. None of them would. Scrounge up another bolt..
>>>
>>>So we installed a longer rear brake line, and I tried to re-position the
>>>driver's side front brake line mount after I straightened the tubes as
>>>outlined by RE. No dice. Either way, we need to bleed the brakes. This is
>>>about 230am. Both rear brake bleeders BROKE OFF. Try the pedal. NOTHING.
>>>Said forget it, let a shop fix the brakes. Cleaned up and drove home 20
>>>miles with my E-brake.
>>>
>>>This RE 3.5" lift was a FIGHT every step of the way, an absolute
>>>nightmare. I don't think that it had anything to do with Rubicon's parts,
>>>design, or quality. The kit with the DT3 shocks rides well and smooth.
>>>Most of the parts were correct and fit well. I did have to bore out one
>>>side of one lower control arm axle end bolt hole. I also re-drilled the
>>>track bar mount.
>>>
>>>To make matters worse, my spare car that i was going to give to someone
>>>whom had their house burn down.... it was stolen last night!
>>>
>>>All I can say is..wow..
>>>
>>>Carl
>>>
>>
>>
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