Mike Romain

No, this coats like undercoating. I have used Naval Jelly. Too bad
they had to mess with the formula to make it 'safer' because it barely
works now.

Mike

Earle Horton wrote:
> Red sounds like Naval Jelly
>
> http://www.acehardware.com/product/i...d=1828700&cid=
>
> This is a gel with active ingredient phosphoric acid, pH 1. It reduces the
> rust to an alternate chemical form (another oxide?) that is physically more
> stable and can be painted. You can buy the phosphoric acid cheaper but the
> gel is easier to work with. When working with gel products, brush them on
> and cover with sheet plastic. This will let the gel work a lot longer
> before it dries out. This trick works great for paint remover too.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4626bb45$0$5900$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>> merrill wrote:
>>> Mike, is that 'rust converter' a brand name or a description? Is it a
>>> paintable finish, or is it a semi-permanent finish?
>>>
>>> Merrill
>>>
>>> On Apr 17, 1:41 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>> I also stripped the old frame down and put a coat of that 'rust
>>>> converter' stuff on it with a rubberized overcoat to slow down future
>>>> rust. I will have to say it worked seeing as I am still driving her
> 7-8
>>>> years later.
>>>
>> I will have to go look in the garage and I will be in there in the next
>> few days to be sure what it's name is.
>>
>> I think it is 'rust converter'. It is a red colored product that is
>> supposed to turn the rust to iron or steel or something like that. I
>> bought it at Canadian Tire. It needs to be covered though, it is an
>> undercoat.
>>
>> I also used an industrial cold galvanizing spray on all the washer
>> spacers I used for the mounts to level the 'glass body with the stock
>> mounts and none of them have rusted either.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>

Mike Romain

No, this coats like undercoating. I have used Naval Jelly. Too bad
they had to mess with the formula to make it 'safer' because it barely
works now.

Mike

Earle Horton wrote:
> Red sounds like Naval Jelly
>
> http://www.acehardware.com/product/i...d=1828700&cid=
>
> This is a gel with active ingredient phosphoric acid, pH 1. It reduces the
> rust to an alternate chemical form (another oxide?) that is physically more
> stable and can be painted. You can buy the phosphoric acid cheaper but the
> gel is easier to work with. When working with gel products, brush them on
> and cover with sheet plastic. This will let the gel work a lot longer
> before it dries out. This trick works great for paint remover too.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4626bb45$0$5900$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>> merrill wrote:
>>> Mike, is that 'rust converter' a brand name or a description? Is it a
>>> paintable finish, or is it a semi-permanent finish?
>>>
>>> Merrill
>>>
>>> On Apr 17, 1:41 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>> I also stripped the old frame down and put a coat of that 'rust
>>>> converter' stuff on it with a rubberized overcoat to slow down future
>>>> rust. I will have to say it worked seeing as I am still driving her
> 7-8
>>>> years later.
>>>
>> I will have to go look in the garage and I will be in there in the next
>> few days to be sure what it's name is.
>>
>> I think it is 'rust converter'. It is a red colored product that is
>> supposed to turn the rust to iron or steel or something like that. I
>> bought it at Canadian Tire. It needs to be covered though, it is an
>> undercoat.
>>
>> I also used an industrial cold galvanizing spray on all the washer
>> spacers I used for the mounts to level the 'glass body with the stock
>> mounts and none of them have rusted either.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>

Mike Romain

No, this coats like undercoating. I have used Naval Jelly. Too bad
they had to mess with the formula to make it 'safer' because it barely
works now.

Mike

Earle Horton wrote:
> Red sounds like Naval Jelly
>
> http://www.acehardware.com/product/i...d=1828700&cid=
>
> This is a gel with active ingredient phosphoric acid, pH 1. It reduces the
> rust to an alternate chemical form (another oxide?) that is physically more
> stable and can be painted. You can buy the phosphoric acid cheaper but the
> gel is easier to work with. When working with gel products, brush them on
> and cover with sheet plastic. This will let the gel work a lot longer
> before it dries out. This trick works great for paint remover too.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4626bb45$0$5900$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>> merrill wrote:
>>> Mike, is that 'rust converter' a brand name or a description? Is it a
>>> paintable finish, or is it a semi-permanent finish?
>>>
>>> Merrill
>>>
>>> On Apr 17, 1:41 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>> I also stripped the old frame down and put a coat of that 'rust
>>>> converter' stuff on it with a rubberized overcoat to slow down future
>>>> rust. I will have to say it worked seeing as I am still driving her
> 7-8
>>>> years later.
>>>
>> I will have to go look in the garage and I will be in there in the next
>> few days to be sure what it's name is.
>>
>> I think it is 'rust converter'. It is a red colored product that is
>> supposed to turn the rust to iron or steel or something like that. I
>> bought it at Canadian Tire. It needs to be covered though, it is an
>> undercoat.
>>
>> I also used an industrial cold galvanizing spray on all the washer
>> spacers I used for the mounts to level the 'glass body with the stock
>> mounts and none of them have rusted either.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>

Mike Romain

No, this coats like undercoating. I have used Naval Jelly. Too bad
they had to mess with the formula to make it 'safer' because it barely
works now.

Mike

Earle Horton wrote:
> Red sounds like Naval Jelly
>
> http://www.acehardware.com/product/i...d=1828700&cid=
>
> This is a gel with active ingredient phosphoric acid, pH 1. It reduces the
> rust to an alternate chemical form (another oxide?) that is physically more
> stable and can be painted. You can buy the phosphoric acid cheaper but the
> gel is easier to work with. When working with gel products, brush them on
> and cover with sheet plastic. This will let the gel work a lot longer
> before it dries out. This trick works great for paint remover too.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4626bb45$0$5900$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>> merrill wrote:
>>> Mike, is that 'rust converter' a brand name or a description? Is it a
>>> paintable finish, or is it a semi-permanent finish?
>>>
>>> Merrill
>>>
>>> On Apr 17, 1:41 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>> I also stripped the old frame down and put a coat of that 'rust
>>>> converter' stuff on it with a rubberized overcoat to slow down future
>>>> rust. I will have to say it worked seeing as I am still driving her
> 7-8
>>>> years later.
>>>
>> I will have to go look in the garage and I will be in there in the next
>> few days to be sure what it's name is.
>>
>> I think it is 'rust converter'. It is a red colored product that is
>> supposed to turn the rust to iron or steel or something like that. I
>> bought it at Canadian Tire. It needs to be covered though, it is an
>> undercoat.
>>
>> I also used an industrial cold galvanizing spray on all the washer
>> spacers I used for the mounts to level the 'glass body with the stock
>> mounts and none of them have rusted either.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>

c

Might be something like this stuff:
http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?i...rID=347&KICKER

or:

http://tinyurl.com/yelepd

I have also used POR-15 as a rust preventative, and it has survived 7
Michigan winters on my truck frame so far with no rust at all. Just wear
gloves when you use the stuff, or it takes 2-3 weeks for it to wear off
your skin.

Chris


Earle Horton wrote:
> Red sounds like Naval Jelly
>
> http://www.acehardware.com/product/i...d=1828700&cid=
>
> This is a gel with active ingredient phosphoric acid, pH 1. It reduces the
> rust to an alternate chemical form (another oxide?) that is physically more
> stable and can be painted. You can buy the phosphoric acid cheaper but the
> gel is easier to work with. When working with gel products, brush them on
> and cover with sheet plastic. This will let the gel work a lot longer
> before it dries out. This trick works great for paint remover too.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4626bb45$0$5900$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>> merrill wrote:
>>> Mike, is that 'rust converter' a brand name or a description? Is it a
>>> paintable finish, or is it a semi-permanent finish?
>>>
>>> Merrill
>>>
>>> On Apr 17, 1:41 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>> I also stripped the old frame down and put a coat of that 'rust
>>>> converter' stuff on it with a rubberized overcoat to slow down future
>>>> rust. I will have to say it worked seeing as I am still driving her
> 7-8
>>>> years later.
>>>
>> I will have to go look in the garage and I will be in there in the next
>> few days to be sure what it's name is.
>>
>> I think it is 'rust converter'. It is a red colored product that is
>> supposed to turn the rust to iron or steel or something like that. I
>> bought it at Canadian Tire. It needs to be covered though, it is an
>> undercoat.
>>
>> I also used an industrial cold galvanizing spray on all the washer
>> spacers I used for the mounts to level the 'glass body with the stock
>> mounts and none of them have rusted either.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>

c

Might be something like this stuff:
http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?i...rID=347&KICKER

or:

http://tinyurl.com/yelepd

I have also used POR-15 as a rust preventative, and it has survived 7
Michigan winters on my truck frame so far with no rust at all. Just wear
gloves when you use the stuff, or it takes 2-3 weeks for it to wear off
your skin.

Chris


Earle Horton wrote:
> Red sounds like Naval Jelly
>
> http://www.acehardware.com/product/i...d=1828700&cid=
>
> This is a gel with active ingredient phosphoric acid, pH 1. It reduces the
> rust to an alternate chemical form (another oxide?) that is physically more
> stable and can be painted. You can buy the phosphoric acid cheaper but the
> gel is easier to work with. When working with gel products, brush them on
> and cover with sheet plastic. This will let the gel work a lot longer
> before it dries out. This trick works great for paint remover too.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4626bb45$0$5900$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>> merrill wrote:
>>> Mike, is that 'rust converter' a brand name or a description? Is it a
>>> paintable finish, or is it a semi-permanent finish?
>>>
>>> Merrill
>>>
>>> On Apr 17, 1:41 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>> I also stripped the old frame down and put a coat of that 'rust
>>>> converter' stuff on it with a rubberized overcoat to slow down future
>>>> rust. I will have to say it worked seeing as I am still driving her
> 7-8
>>>> years later.
>>>
>> I will have to go look in the garage and I will be in there in the next
>> few days to be sure what it's name is.
>>
>> I think it is 'rust converter'. It is a red colored product that is
>> supposed to turn the rust to iron or steel or something like that. I
>> bought it at Canadian Tire. It needs to be covered though, it is an
>> undercoat.
>>
>> I also used an industrial cold galvanizing spray on all the washer
>> spacers I used for the mounts to level the 'glass body with the stock
>> mounts and none of them have rusted either.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>

c

Might be something like this stuff:
http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?i...rID=347&KICKER

or:

http://tinyurl.com/yelepd

I have also used POR-15 as a rust preventative, and it has survived 7
Michigan winters on my truck frame so far with no rust at all. Just wear
gloves when you use the stuff, or it takes 2-3 weeks for it to wear off
your skin.

Chris


Earle Horton wrote:
> Red sounds like Naval Jelly
>
> http://www.acehardware.com/product/i...d=1828700&cid=
>
> This is a gel with active ingredient phosphoric acid, pH 1. It reduces the
> rust to an alternate chemical form (another oxide?) that is physically more
> stable and can be painted. You can buy the phosphoric acid cheaper but the
> gel is easier to work with. When working with gel products, brush them on
> and cover with sheet plastic. This will let the gel work a lot longer
> before it dries out. This trick works great for paint remover too.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4626bb45$0$5900$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>> merrill wrote:
>>> Mike, is that 'rust converter' a brand name or a description? Is it a
>>> paintable finish, or is it a semi-permanent finish?
>>>
>>> Merrill
>>>
>>> On Apr 17, 1:41 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>> I also stripped the old frame down and put a coat of that 'rust
>>>> converter' stuff on it with a rubberized overcoat to slow down future
>>>> rust. I will have to say it worked seeing as I am still driving her
> 7-8
>>>> years later.
>>>
>> I will have to go look in the garage and I will be in there in the next
>> few days to be sure what it's name is.
>>
>> I think it is 'rust converter'. It is a red colored product that is
>> supposed to turn the rust to iron or steel or something like that. I
>> bought it at Canadian Tire. It needs to be covered though, it is an
>> undercoat.
>>
>> I also used an industrial cold galvanizing spray on all the washer
>> spacers I used for the mounts to level the 'glass body with the stock
>> mounts and none of them have rusted either.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>

c

Might be something like this stuff:
http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?i...rID=347&KICKER

or:

http://tinyurl.com/yelepd

I have also used POR-15 as a rust preventative, and it has survived 7
Michigan winters on my truck frame so far with no rust at all. Just wear
gloves when you use the stuff, or it takes 2-3 weeks for it to wear off
your skin.

Chris


Earle Horton wrote:
> Red sounds like Naval Jelly
>
> http://www.acehardware.com/product/i...d=1828700&cid=
>
> This is a gel with active ingredient phosphoric acid, pH 1. It reduces the
> rust to an alternate chemical form (another oxide?) that is physically more
> stable and can be painted. You can buy the phosphoric acid cheaper but the
> gel is easier to work with. When working with gel products, brush them on
> and cover with sheet plastic. This will let the gel work a lot longer
> before it dries out. This trick works great for paint remover too.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4626bb45$0$5900$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>> merrill wrote:
>>> Mike, is that 'rust converter' a brand name or a description? Is it a
>>> paintable finish, or is it a semi-permanent finish?
>>>
>>> Merrill
>>>
>>> On Apr 17, 1:41 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>> I also stripped the old frame down and put a coat of that 'rust
>>>> converter' stuff on it with a rubberized overcoat to slow down future
>>>> rust. I will have to say it worked seeing as I am still driving her
> 7-8
>>>> years later.
>>>
>> I will have to go look in the garage and I will be in there in the next
>> few days to be sure what it's name is.
>>
>> I think it is 'rust converter'. It is a red colored product that is
>> supposed to turn the rust to iron or steel or something like that. I
>> bought it at Canadian Tire. It needs to be covered though, it is an
>> undercoat.
>>
>> I also used an industrial cold galvanizing spray on all the washer
>> spacers I used for the mounts to level the 'glass body with the stock
>> mounts and none of them have rusted either.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>

merrill

Thanks Mike, Earle, Chris

I will check for the "rust converter" at CTC this weekend. I used
something like that on my trailer hitch and painted it with Home
Hardware Rust Coat. But it rusted through the paint in one winter. I
guess I didn't get all the rust or else I used a similar product that
wasn't as good.

I still have some of the original formula Naval Jelly. The new stuff
is poor in comparison.

I wanted to try POR-15. I think I found it in the Eastwood catalogue,
but I have no idea where to find it in Canada.

There is a good selection of Krown products at Home Hardware. The only
one I have used is the oil spray. Anybody have experience with their
other products?

I have 5 vehicles to work on so I can experiment.

OT, somebody bumped my wife's car in a parking lot about a month ago.
No body damage, but the other car must have been filthy because it
left some nasty scratches on the plastic bumper. I was hoping to use
rubbing compound to try to clean it up. I have an XJ that has some
overspray touch-up paint on the plastic flares. Is there a product
that will solve both of these problems? Somebody recently mentioned in
another thread that a clay bar could work. Any recommendations? Please
suggest something that is available in Canada if possible.

Merrill

merrill

Thanks Mike, Earle, Chris

I will check for the "rust converter" at CTC this weekend. I used
something like that on my trailer hitch and painted it with Home
Hardware Rust Coat. But it rusted through the paint in one winter. I
guess I didn't get all the rust or else I used a similar product that
wasn't as good.

I still have some of the original formula Naval Jelly. The new stuff
is poor in comparison.

I wanted to try POR-15. I think I found it in the Eastwood catalogue,
but I have no idea where to find it in Canada.

There is a good selection of Krown products at Home Hardware. The only
one I have used is the oil spray. Anybody have experience with their
other products?

I have 5 vehicles to work on so I can experiment.

OT, somebody bumped my wife's car in a parking lot about a month ago.
No body damage, but the other car must have been filthy because it
left some nasty scratches on the plastic bumper. I was hoping to use
rubbing compound to try to clean it up. I have an XJ that has some
overspray touch-up paint on the plastic flares. Is there a product
that will solve both of these problems? Somebody recently mentioned in
another thread that a clay bar could work. Any recommendations? Please
suggest something that is available in Canada if possible.

Merrill