Re: {{ OT }} Bodies ... the Exhibition
 

On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:02:09 -0800, witfal <nospam@all4.me> wrote:


>> If you have no proof against it, I suggest you STFU.
>
>In case you missed it, Peter, you just got schooled.

Uh, yea, right...

Re: {{ OT }} Bodies ... the Exhibition
 

On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 20:41:11 -0500, "Wickeddoll"
<wickeddollnofeckingspam1958@yahoo.com> wrote:


>
>I can see how this reaction may happen, but I want to see whether this
>individual has some first-hand experience of his own.
>
>The pathologist was a very brilliant and accomplished man - I see no reason
>for him to lie about that.
>
>Natalie
>

I will agree it is possible for the body to explode under certain
curmstances where abdominal fluids boil creating steam that can't
escape, but it is rare.

Re: {{ OT }} Bodies ... the Exhibition
 

On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 04:22:09 GMT, Socks <socks09@shaw.ca> wrote:

>My wife and I haven't eaten fast food(or even eaten in a proper sit
>down restaurant for that matter) in over 6 years.

Me neither! I can't believe that people will eat that stuff. And
worse, feed it to their children?

Re: {{ OT }} Bodies ... the Exhibition
 

On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 18:58:56 -0500, "Wickeddoll"
<wickeddollnofeckingspam1958@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>>
>> You're kidding of course?? How could the nervous system still be alive
>> after many hours or a couple of days?
>
>They're never really "dead" so to speak. They're electrical conductors,
>like wires.


Now that is funny... No basis in medicine but if you would like to
quote a reference I'll be glad to read it, and appologize if
appropriate. Otherwise, complete bull-ticky.

Re: {{ OT }} Bodies ... the Exhibition
 

PeterD wrote:
> On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 20:41:11 -0500, "Wickeddoll"
> <wickeddollnofeckingspam1958@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> I can see how this reaction may happen, but I want to see whether
>> this individual has some first-hand experience of his own.
>>
>> The pathologist was a very brilliant and accomplished man - I see
>> no
>> reason for him to lie about that.
>>
>> Natalie
>>
>
> I will agree it is possible for the body to explode under certain
> curmstances where abdominal fluids boil creating steam that can't
> escape, but it is rare.

Specially considering that one of the first things an undertaker does
is punch a vent pipe into the midsection.

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Re: {{ OT }} Bodies ... the Exhibition
 

"PeterD"
"Wickeddoll"
wrote:
>
>
>>
>>I can see how this reaction may happen, but I want to see whether this
>>individual has some first-hand experience of his own.
>>
>>The pathologist was a very brilliant and accomplished man - I see no
>>reason
>>for him to lie about that.
>>
>>Natalie
>>
>
> I will agree it is possible for the body to explode under certain
> curmstances where abdominal fluids boil creating steam that can't
> escape, but it is rare.

You said in an earlier post you've seen public cremation. In the open air,
the body will burn considerably faster than in a crematorium. Have you seen
through a viewer into a crematorium? I still think it's possible to react
the way the doc described.

He could have been shining me on, but I doubt it.

Natalie

Re: {{ OT }} Bodies ... the Exhibition
 

"PeterD"
"Wickeddoll"
wrote:
>
>>
>>>
>>> You're kidding of course?? How could the nervous system still be alive
>>> after many hours or a couple of days?
>>
>>They're never really "dead" so to speak. They're electrical conductors,
>>like wires.
>
>
> Now that is funny... No basis in medicine but if you would like to
> quote a reference I'll be glad to read it, and appologize if
> appropriate. Otherwise, complete bull-ticky.

I'm not a doctor, but I do have a medical background.

Admittedly, this is anecdotal, but you still show me no reason to take your
word over his.

Natalie

Re: {{ OT }} Bodies ... the Exhibition
 

"Socks" ...
>
>>Gawd, autopsies used to gross me out - not because of the sights, but the
>>sounds.
>>
>>This will disturb DBU, I'm sure, but something that's even worse is a
>>cremation. At one point, the heat activates the nervous system, so the
>>body
>>starts a bunch of wild, involuntary (of course, since they're dead)
>>movements. The body may actually sit up, and appear to be speaking. It's
>>a
>>horror show. Good thing the family doesn't usually witness it!
>>
>>*shudder*
>>
>>Natalie
>>
> AWESOME!
> Now that would be worth seeing!

You're scary.

A troll says it's not true, but he has yet to prove otherwise.

Natalie

Re: {{ OT }} Bodies ... the Exhibition
 

"Jeff Strickland"...
>
> "Wickeddoll" ..
>>
>> "Dave L" <...
>>>> This is VERY cool. If you have not been, you ought to go. If they were
>>>> holding it longer in my area, I would go again.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.bodiestheexhibition.com/
>>>>
>>>> Way cool!
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure at least one of them drove a Toyota, or a Jeep ...
>>>
>>>
>>> Looks like the same one I went to in NYC a few years ago when I drove up
>>> there to visit relatives. My cousin invited me to go (his gf had no
>>> desire to go with him!).
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>>
>>
>> As a medical person, I was more fascinated more with *how* they did that,
>> rather than the display itself. Ya see one cadaver, you've seen them
>> all. I bought some souvenir stuff there.
>>
>> :-)
>>
>
>
> NOT being a medical person, I was also amazed at the "how". The cool stuff
> that the "how" exposed was interesting, but the HOW was very neat.
>
> PS
> I have a spinal injury at L3/L4 (I think) and have constant pain shooting
> down the outside of my left leg. The BODIES exhibition showed me precisely
> the nerve bundle that causes the pain. It still hurts, but now I know why.
> Very cool stuff.

They explain how it's done, but it's still amazing. Can you imagine the
*time* it takes to pull out even the cauda equina (bundle of nerves at the
base of the spine, which resembles a horse's tail, hence the name).

Had to take months!

Natalie

Re: {{ OT }} Bodies ... the Exhibition
 

"Pink Freud©®"
Wickeddoll wrote:
>
>>
>> "dbu'" ...
>>>> "Dave L"
>>>> >>>> >> > "Jeff Strickland" ...
>>>> >>>> >> >> This is VERY cool. If you have not been, you ought to go. If
>>>> >>>> >> >> they
>>>> >>>> >> >> were
>>>> >>>> >> >> holding it longer in my area, I would go again.
>>>> >>>> >> >>
>>>> >>>> >> >> http://www.bodiestheexhibition.com/
>>>> >>>> >> >>
>>>> >>>> >> >> Way cool!
>>>> >>>> >> >>
>>>> >>>> >> >> I'm sure at least one of them drove a Toyota, or a Jeep ...
>>>> >>>> >> >
>>>> >>>> >> >
>>>> >>>> >> > Looks like the same one I went to in NYC a few years ago when
>>>> >>>> >> > I
>>>> >>>> >> > drove
>>>> >>>> >> > up
>>>> >>>> >> > there to visit relatives. My cousin invited me to go (his gf
>>>> >>>> >> > had
>>>> >>>> >> > no
>>>> >>>> >> > desire to go with him!).
>>>> >>>> >> >
>>>> >>>> >> > -Dave
>>>> >>>> >> >
>>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >> As a medical person, I was more fascinated more with *how* they
>>>> >>>> >> did
>>>> >>>> >> that,
>>>> >>>> >> rather than the display itself. Ya see one cadaver, you've
>>>> >>>> >> seen
>>>> >>>> >> them
>>>> >>>> >> all.
>>>> >>>> >> I bought some souvenir stuff there.
>>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >> :-)
>>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >> Natalie
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> > I think it's a disgusting commercialized display of dead people.
>>>> >>>> > --
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Dunno if you know this, but every cadaver in that exhibit was from
>>>> >>>> *volunteer* subjects. If it were homeless people, or something
>>>> >>>> like
>>>> >>>> that, I
>>>> >>>> would agree with you, but I think a person has a right to say what
>>>> >>>> happens
>>>> >>>> to their own remains.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Natalie
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Yes, I know that, but it, the exhibit, still seems very strange to
>>>> >>> me.
>>>> >>> --
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Fair enough, but I just didn't think it was fair to condemn the
>>>> >> exhibit,
>>>> >> when participation in it was purely voluntary, that's all.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> It's very effective, however. I think we tend to take our bodies
>>>> >> for
>>>> >> granted, and this exhibit shows the general public how truly amazing
>>>> >> and
>>>> >> practical our bodies are, though we abuse them.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> They had a section of infants/embryos, which bore a sign informing
>>>> >> us
>>>> >> that these were all spontaneous deaths, but that the more sensitive
>>>> >> people should probably skip it. I thought everything they did was
>>>> >> very
>>>> >> respectful of the displays.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> In the part of the exhibit about the respiratory system, it shows
>>>> >> healthy
>>>> >> lungs, and smoker's lungs. Right next to that is a clear box, in
>>>> >> which
>>>> >> you can throw your smoking supplies. There were a lot of them
>>>> >> there!
>>>> >> LOL Who knows if the folks who ditched the stuff stayed smoke-free,
>>>> >> but
>>>> >> at least it got their attention.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> :-)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Natalie
>>>> >
>>>> > Yeah, I thought the displays of a smoker's lungs vs. healthy lungs
>>>> > would
>>>> > have grabbed some attention. It was amazing on the "how" they did
>>>> > that.
>>>> > At least it didn't smell like formaldehyde (from what I remember). I
>>>> > remember taking a look in one of my brother's college classes - a
>>>> > room
>>>> > of
>>>> > cadavers being examined and dissected. Came out of there still
>>>> > smelling
>>>> > the formaldehyde...
>>>> >
>>>> > -Dave
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Gawd, autopsies used to gross me out - not because of the sights, but
>>>> the
>>>> sounds.
>>>>
>>>> This will disturb DBU, I'm sure, but something that's even worse is a
>>>> cremation. At one point, the heat activates the nervous system, so the
>>>> body
>>>> starts a bunch of wild, involuntary (of course, since they're dead)
>>>> movements. The body may actually sit up, and appear to be speaking.
>>>> It's a
>>>> horror show. Good thing the family doesn't usually witness it!
>>>>
>>>> *shudder*
>>>>
>>>> Natalie
>>>
>>> You're kidding of course?? How could the nervous system still be alive
>>> after many hours or a couple of days?
>>
>> They're never really "dead" so to speak. They're electrical conductors,
>> like wires. I don't know if it's heat/friction that causes it, or what.
>> Haven't you heard of postmortem movement in a corpse? Happens all the
>> time.
>>
>> Natalie
>
>
> It's referred to as 'animal electricity'.
>
> Luigi Galvani and all that.....
>
> Static electricity would be enough to trigger a reaction.
>
>
>
> --
>
Thanks for your input! There's a troll who's disputing this, but hasn't
offered any proof to prove the doc was lying to me.

Until then, I believe him.

Natalie