Re: {{ OT }} Bodies ... the Exhibition
"Wickeddoll" <wickeddollnofeckingspam1958@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:flrb0i.2vk.1@news.evilcabal.org... <snip> >>> >> > >>> >> > I characterize it as macabre. Sorry, but that's how I see it. >>> >> >>> >> I would *like* see it - on an interesting, intellectual plane. But >>> >> don't >>> >> think my involuntary reaction(s) - which reside on another plane - >>> >> would >>> >> allow me to. >>> >> >>> >> Cathy >>> > >>> > It's a sort of macabre form of entertainment for many. Not me. >>> >>> No, I don't think it's even supposed to be a form of entertainment. >>> More >>> like acquisition of knowledge; a better understanding of our own bodies. >>> Granted, learning about a topic can be entertaining (as in interesting), >>> but >>> not in the same way you're using ther term, is my guess. We're not >>> approaching this from the same angle, that's pretty obvious. >>> >>> Cathy >> >> Most who view this so called exhibit don't view it the same as you, from >> a purely scientific state of mind I would guess. It is a Saturday >> afternoon entertainment. > > Um, it's not "so-called" - it really is an exhibit. Not sure why you'd > say it wasn't. I mean, a horrible car accident is on display as well, but > that would draw curious, maybe even ghoulish spectators. > > Having said that, the folks I saw seemed to be in awe, rather than > morbidly curious, but since I can't read minds, I can't be sure. > > :-) > > Natalie Besides, this is something you have to voluntarily PAY to go see. Hopefully you'd have an idea of what you were walking into! -Dave |
Re: {{ OT }} Bodies ... the Exhibition
On Jan 6, 8:41 pm, "Wickeddoll"
<wickeddollnofeckingspam1...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > I re-read my original post, and realize I didn't mention that this > description of cremation is *second-hand* A pathologist I knew in the 80s > told me about it. If I had seen it myself, I would say so. > > I can see how this reaction may happen, but I want to see whether this > individual has some first-hand experience of his own. > > The pathologist was a very brilliant and accomplished man - I see no reason > for him to lie about that. > > Natalie Was it possible he was just trying to get inside your running and ducking |
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>Gawd, autopsies used to gross me out - not because of the sights, but the >sounds. > >This will disturb DBU, I'm sure, but something that's even worse is a >cremation. At one point, the heat activates the nervous system, so the body >starts a bunch of wild, involuntary (of course, since they're dead) >movements. The body may actually sit up, and appear to be speaking. It's a >horror show. Good thing the family doesn't usually witness it! > >*shudder* > >Natalie > AWESOME! Now that would be worth seeing! |
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Re: {{ OT }} Bodies ... the Exhibition
"Wickeddoll" <wickeddollnofeckingspam1958@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:flo05t.218.1@news.evilcabal.org... > > "Dave L" <... >> >> "Jeff Strickland" ... >>> This is VERY cool. If you have not been, you ought to go. If they were >>> holding it longer in my area, I would go again. >>> >>> http://www.bodiestheexhibition.com/ >>> >>> Way cool! >>> >>> I'm sure at least one of them drove a Toyota, or a Jeep ... >> >> >> Looks like the same one I went to in NYC a few years ago when I drove up >> there to visit relatives. My cousin invited me to go (his gf had no >> desire to go with him!). >> >> -Dave >> > > As a medical person, I was more fascinated more with *how* they did that, > rather than the display itself. Ya see one cadaver, you've seen them all. > I bought some souvenir stuff there. > > :-) > NOT being a medical person, I was also amazed at the "how". The cool stuff that the "how" exposed was interesting, but the HOW was very neat. PS I have a spinal injury at L3/L4 (I think) and have constant pain shooting down the outside of my left leg. The BODIES exhibition showed me precisely the nerve bundle that causes the pain. It still hurts, but now I know why. Very cool stuff. |
Re: {{ OT }} Bodies ... the Exhibition
"dbu'" <nospam@nospam.moc> wrote in message news:nospam-43DDFD.15270705012008@comcast.dca.giganews.com... > In article <flo05t.218.1@news.evilcabal.org>, > "Wickeddoll" <wickeddollnofeckingspam1958@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> "Dave L" <... >> > >> > "Jeff Strickland" ... >> >> This is VERY cool. If you have not been, you ought to go. If they were >> >> holding it longer in my area, I would go again. >> >> >> >> http://www.bodiestheexhibition.com/ >> >> >> >> Way cool! >> >> >> >> I'm sure at least one of them drove a Toyota, or a Jeep ... >> > >> > >> > Looks like the same one I went to in NYC a few years ago when I drove >> > up >> > there to visit relatives. My cousin invited me to go (his gf had no >> > desire to go with him!). >> > >> > -Dave >> > >> >> As a medical person, I was more fascinated more with *how* they did that, >> rather than the display itself. Ya see one cadaver, you've seen them >> all. >> I bought some souvenir stuff there. >> >> :-) >> >> Natalie > > I think it's a disgusting commercialized display of dead people. > -- > I do not agree. I think it gives lay-persons an excellent insight into the human body, and the mechanics that lay beneath the skin. Sure, it takes dead people to show us this stuff, but it is a program that is well worth the price of admission. They didn't kill the cadavers in order to bring the show to us common-folk, so I don't see anything wrong with the show, per se. I went in with a substantial queasiness, but after I got in and experienced the exhibition, I was fine. It was very cool. |
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On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 18:58:56 -0500, Wickeddoll wrote:
> > "dbu'" ... >> "Wickeddoll" wrote: >> >>> "Dave L" >>> > "Wickeddoll" ... >>> >> >>> >> "dbu'" >>> >>>> >> "Dave L" <... >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > "Jeff Strickland" ... >>> >>>> >> >> This is VERY cool. If you have not been, you ought to go. If >>> >>>> >> >> they >>> >>>> >> >> were >>> >>>> >> >> holding it longer in my area, I would go again. >>> >>>> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> http://www.bodiestheexhibition.com/ >>> >>>> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> Way cool! >>> >>>> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> I'm sure at least one of them drove a Toyota, or a Jeep ... >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > Looks like the same one I went to in NYC a few years ago when I >>> >>>> >> > drove >>> >>>> >> > up >>> >>>> >> > there to visit relatives. My cousin invited me to go (his gf >>> >>>> >> > had >>> >>>> >> > no >>> >>>> >> > desire to go with him!). >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > -Dave >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> As a medical person, I was more fascinated more with *how* they >>> >>>> >> did >>> >>>> >> that, >>> >>>> >> rather than the display itself. Ya see one cadaver, you've seen >>> >>>> >> them >>> >>>> >> all. >>> >>>> >> I bought some souvenir stuff there. >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> :-) >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> Natalie >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > I think it's a disgusting commercialized display of dead people. >>> >>>> > -- >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Dunno if you know this, but every cadaver in that exhibit was from >>> >>>> *volunteer* subjects. If it were homeless people, or something like >>> >>>> that, I >>> >>>> would agree with you, but I think a person has a right to say what >>> >>>> happens >>> >>>> to their own remains. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Natalie >>> >>> >>> >>> Yes, I know that, but it, the exhibit, still seems very strange to >>> >>> me. >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> Fair enough, but I just didn't think it was fair to condemn the >>> >> exhibit, >>> >> when participation in it was purely voluntary, that's all. >>> >> >>> >> It's very effective, however. I think we tend to take our bodies for >>> >> granted, and this exhibit shows the general public how truly amazing >>> >> and >>> >> practical our bodies are, though we abuse them. >>> >> >>> >> They had a section of infants/embryos, which bore a sign informing us >>> >> that these were all spontaneous deaths, but that the more sensitive >>> >> people should probably skip it. I thought everything they did was >>> >> very >>> >> respectful of the displays. >>> >> >>> >> In the part of the exhibit about the respiratory system, it shows >>> >> healthy >>> >> lungs, and smoker's lungs. Right next to that is a clear box, in >>> >> which >>> >> you can throw your smoking supplies. There were a lot of them there! >>> >> LOL Who knows if the folks who ditched the stuff stayed smoke-free, >>> >> but >>> >> at least it got their attention. >>> >> >>> >> :-) >>> >> >>> >> Natalie >>> > >>> > Yeah, I thought the displays of a smoker's lungs vs. healthy lungs >>> > would >>> > have grabbed some attention. It was amazing on the "how" they did >>> > that. >>> > At least it didn't smell like formaldehyde (from what I remember). I >>> > remember taking a look in one of my brother's college classes - a room >>> > of >>> > cadavers being examined and dissected. Came out of there still >>> > smelling >>> > the formaldehyde... >>> > >>> > -Dave >>> > >>> >>> Gawd, autopsies used to gross me out - not because of the sights, but the >>> sounds. >>> >>> This will disturb DBU, I'm sure, but something that's even worse is a >>> cremation. At one point, the heat activates the nervous system, so the >>> body >>> starts a bunch of wild, involuntary (of course, since they're dead) >>> movements. The body may actually sit up, and appear to be speaking. >>> It's a >>> horror show. Good thing the family doesn't usually witness it! >>> >>> *shudder* >>> >>> Natalie >> >> You're kidding of course?? How could the nervous system still be alive >> after many hours or a couple of days? > > They're never really "dead" so to speak. They're electrical conductors, > like wires. I don't know if it's heat/friction that causes it, or what. > Haven't you heard of postmortem movement in a corpse? Happens all the time. > > Natalie It's referred to as 'animal electricity'. Luigi Galvani and all that..... Static electricity would be enough to trigger a reaction. -- Words ought to be a little wild, for they are the assault of thoughts on the unthinking. -John Maynard Keynes, economist (1883-1946) |
Re: {{ OT }} Bodies ... the Exhibition
"Wickeddoll" <wickeddollnofeckingspam1958@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:flqjmt.2oc.1@news.evilcabal.org... > > "Dave L" >> "Wickeddoll" ... >>> >>> "dbu'" >>>>> >> "Dave L" <... >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > "Jeff Strickland" ... >>>>> >> >> This is VERY cool. If you have not been, you ought to go. If >>>>> >> >> they were >>>>> >> >> holding it longer in my area, I would go again. >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> http://www.bodiestheexhibition.com/ >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> Way cool! >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> I'm sure at least one of them drove a Toyota, or a Jeep ... >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > Looks like the same one I went to in NYC a few years ago when I >>>>> >> > drove >>>>> >> > up >>>>> >> > there to visit relatives. My cousin invited me to go (his gf had >>>>> >> > no >>>>> >> > desire to go with him!). >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > -Dave >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> >>>>> >> As a medical person, I was more fascinated more with *how* they did >>>>> >> that, >>>>> >> rather than the display itself. Ya see one cadaver, you've seen >>>>> >> them >>>>> >> all. >>>>> >> I bought some souvenir stuff there. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> :-) >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Natalie >>>>> > >>>>> > I think it's a disgusting commercialized display of dead people. >>>>> > -- >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> Dunno if you know this, but every cadaver in that exhibit was from >>>>> *volunteer* subjects. If it were homeless people, or something like >>>>> that, I >>>>> would agree with you, but I think a person has a right to say what >>>>> happens >>>>> to their own remains. >>>>> >>>>> Natalie >>>> >>>> Yes, I know that, but it, the exhibit, still seems very strange to me. >>>> -- >>>> >>> >>> Fair enough, but I just didn't think it was fair to condemn the exhibit, >>> when participation in it was purely voluntary, that's all. >>> >>> It's very effective, however. I think we tend to take our bodies for >>> granted, and this exhibit shows the general public how truly amazing and >>> practical our bodies are, though we abuse them. >>> >>> They had a section of infants/embryos, which bore a sign informing us >>> that these were all spontaneous deaths, but that the more sensitive >>> people should probably skip it. I thought everything they did was very >>> respectful of the displays. >>> >>> In the part of the exhibit about the respiratory system, it shows >>> healthy lungs, and smoker's lungs. Right next to that is a clear box, >>> in which you can throw your smoking supplies. There were a lot of them >>> there! LOL Who knows if the folks who ditched the stuff stayed >>> smoke-free, but at least it got their attention. >>> >>> :-) >>> >>> Natalie >> >> Yeah, I thought the displays of a smoker's lungs vs. healthy lungs would >> have grabbed some attention. It was amazing on the "how" they did that. >> At least it didn't smell like formaldehyde (from what I remember). I >> remember taking a look in one of my brother's college classes - a room of >> cadavers being examined and dissected. Came out of there still smelling >> the formaldehyde... >> >> -Dave >> > > Gawd, autopsies used to gross me out - not because of the sights, but the > sounds. > > This will disturb DBU, I'm sure, but something that's even worse is a > cremation. At one point, the heat activates the nervous system, so the > body starts a bunch of wild, involuntary (of course, since they're dead) > movements. The body may actually sit up, and appear to be speaking. It's > a horror show. Good thing the family doesn't usually witness it! > > *shudder* > > Natalie In Alberta, the law requires that the body be in a closed container when inserted into the crematory. > > |
Re: {{ OT }} Bodies ... the Exhibition
"witfal" <nospam@all4.me> wrote in message news:flrttj$fn9$2@news.albasani.net... > On 2008-01-06 17:02:46 -0800, dbu' <nospam@nospam.moc> said: > >>>> You're kidding of course?? How could the nervous system still be alive >>>> after many hours or a couple of days? >>> >>> They're never really "dead" so to speak. They're electrical conductors, >>> like wires. I don't know if it's heat/friction that causes it, or what. >>> Haven't you heard of postmortem movement in a corpse? Happens all the >>> time. >>> >>> Natalie >> >> But no more than what it takes for rigor mortis to set in. A few hours >> at most. > > Rigor is not permanent. It goes away after three or four days. > That is correct. |
Re: {{ OT }} Bodies ... the Exhibition
On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 19:13:19 -0500, "Wickeddoll"
<wickeddollnofeckingspam1958@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> See, and this is all true, because it is on the Internet. Absolutely >> true. Dear Allat, I swear it. True. Really. Honest. > >You have a differing view? Post your experience. > >If you have no proof against it, I suggest you STFU. > >Natalie > Bwa-ha-ha-ha... Yes, I've seen many, lived for years in a culture where cremation was both public and common place. Never, ever was that ever seen by me, or anyone that I know of. The poster wanted to create a troll, and she succeeded. Posted complete -------- and that is a fact. |
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