Carl S

Ah, thats right. A posi-lock is pretty cheap.

Carl

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:461acf31$0$2985$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> She has a YJ with a vacuum disconnect on the front locker's axle for tight
> turns that only needs a shift lever move....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Carl S wrote:
>> She will be pleased with a lunchbox up front. If corning on trails
>> becomes an issue, consider a 2-LO conversion kit for said turns.
>>
>> Carl
>>
>> "Greg" <greglc84@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:JBzSh.48720$DE1.20300@pd7urf2no...
>>> She has 4.88s, but doesn't go on highways, two ferries to get out of
>>> here, 40 miles from one end to other of town, so highway is not much of
>>> a concern.
>>>
>>> "RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
>>> news:gsxSh.21156$tD2.7679@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
>>>> The background: A CJ with the hubs unlocked will have no torque
>>>> transmitted to the drivetrain. A TJ has no unlocking hub so it
>>>> continuously drives the front driveshaft with both wheels contributing
>>>> to the drive. Makes the wheel feel 'heavy', gives it a slight
>>>> understeer.
>>>>
>>>> The YJ is a strange compromise: when in 2wd, the right outer shaft is
>>>> unlocked so the right wheel has no drivetrain drag (except the outer
>>>> U-joint if you are turning). The left side is driving the left spider
>>>> gear, the two spider idlers, and the right spider at full speed in
>>>> reverse. As long as the spider running freely, there is not enough
>>>> torque to reverse load the ring and spin the pinion/front drive shaft.
>>>> The result is that there is a minor but constant drag on the left that
>>>> is not matched on the right side. It will 'pull' to the left. Given the
>>>> kluges in the YJ front suspension, it would be hard to notice the minor
>>>> pull.
>>>>
>>>> Adding a locker of any type (lunchbox, gear drive, LSD) will make the
>>>> ring gear, pinion, and front driveshaft spin at all times. That should
>>>> be sufficient to give you a slight but noticeable pull to the left at
>>>> highway speed. A high ratio axle (4:11 or 4.56) will make the effect
>>>> worse.
>>>>
>>>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the
>>>>> YJ's
>>>>> solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or does
>>>>> it
>>>>> continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to
>>>>> venture
>>>>> whether it affects handling or not?
>>>>>
>>>>> Earle
>>>>>
>>>>> "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sno,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if
>>>>>> someone is
>>>>>> looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works
>>>>>> great.
>>>>>> Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that you
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> afford.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Carl
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
>>>>>>> <----------@***.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> if want to see eyes light up
>>>>>>>> as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> try to drive and manuver it.
>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>> TheSnoMan.com
>>>>>>
>>

Carl S

Ah, thats right. A posi-lock is pretty cheap.

Carl

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:461acf31$0$2985$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> She has a YJ with a vacuum disconnect on the front locker's axle for tight
> turns that only needs a shift lever move....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Carl S wrote:
>> She will be pleased with a lunchbox up front. If corning on trails
>> becomes an issue, consider a 2-LO conversion kit for said turns.
>>
>> Carl
>>
>> "Greg" <greglc84@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:JBzSh.48720$DE1.20300@pd7urf2no...
>>> She has 4.88s, but doesn't go on highways, two ferries to get out of
>>> here, 40 miles from one end to other of town, so highway is not much of
>>> a concern.
>>>
>>> "RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
>>> news:gsxSh.21156$tD2.7679@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
>>>> The background: A CJ with the hubs unlocked will have no torque
>>>> transmitted to the drivetrain. A TJ has no unlocking hub so it
>>>> continuously drives the front driveshaft with both wheels contributing
>>>> to the drive. Makes the wheel feel 'heavy', gives it a slight
>>>> understeer.
>>>>
>>>> The YJ is a strange compromise: when in 2wd, the right outer shaft is
>>>> unlocked so the right wheel has no drivetrain drag (except the outer
>>>> U-joint if you are turning). The left side is driving the left spider
>>>> gear, the two spider idlers, and the right spider at full speed in
>>>> reverse. As long as the spider running freely, there is not enough
>>>> torque to reverse load the ring and spin the pinion/front drive shaft.
>>>> The result is that there is a minor but constant drag on the left that
>>>> is not matched on the right side. It will 'pull' to the left. Given the
>>>> kluges in the YJ front suspension, it would be hard to notice the minor
>>>> pull.
>>>>
>>>> Adding a locker of any type (lunchbox, gear drive, LSD) will make the
>>>> ring gear, pinion, and front driveshaft spin at all times. That should
>>>> be sufficient to give you a slight but noticeable pull to the left at
>>>> highway speed. A high ratio axle (4:11 or 4.56) will make the effect
>>>> worse.
>>>>
>>>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the
>>>>> YJ's
>>>>> solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or does
>>>>> it
>>>>> continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to
>>>>> venture
>>>>> whether it affects handling or not?
>>>>>
>>>>> Earle
>>>>>
>>>>> "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sno,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if
>>>>>> someone is
>>>>>> looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works
>>>>>> great.
>>>>>> Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that you
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> afford.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Carl
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
>>>>>>> <----------@***.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> if want to see eyes light up
>>>>>>>> as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> try to drive and manuver it.
>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>> TheSnoMan.com
>>>>>>
>>

Carl S

Ah, thats right. A posi-lock is pretty cheap.

Carl

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:461acf31$0$2985$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> She has a YJ with a vacuum disconnect on the front locker's axle for tight
> turns that only needs a shift lever move....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Carl S wrote:
>> She will be pleased with a lunchbox up front. If corning on trails
>> becomes an issue, consider a 2-LO conversion kit for said turns.
>>
>> Carl
>>
>> "Greg" <greglc84@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:JBzSh.48720$DE1.20300@pd7urf2no...
>>> She has 4.88s, but doesn't go on highways, two ferries to get out of
>>> here, 40 miles from one end to other of town, so highway is not much of
>>> a concern.
>>>
>>> "RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
>>> news:gsxSh.21156$tD2.7679@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
>>>> The background: A CJ with the hubs unlocked will have no torque
>>>> transmitted to the drivetrain. A TJ has no unlocking hub so it
>>>> continuously drives the front driveshaft with both wheels contributing
>>>> to the drive. Makes the wheel feel 'heavy', gives it a slight
>>>> understeer.
>>>>
>>>> The YJ is a strange compromise: when in 2wd, the right outer shaft is
>>>> unlocked so the right wheel has no drivetrain drag (except the outer
>>>> U-joint if you are turning). The left side is driving the left spider
>>>> gear, the two spider idlers, and the right spider at full speed in
>>>> reverse. As long as the spider running freely, there is not enough
>>>> torque to reverse load the ring and spin the pinion/front drive shaft.
>>>> The result is that there is a minor but constant drag on the left that
>>>> is not matched on the right side. It will 'pull' to the left. Given the
>>>> kluges in the YJ front suspension, it would be hard to notice the minor
>>>> pull.
>>>>
>>>> Adding a locker of any type (lunchbox, gear drive, LSD) will make the
>>>> ring gear, pinion, and front driveshaft spin at all times. That should
>>>> be sufficient to give you a slight but noticeable pull to the left at
>>>> highway speed. A high ratio axle (4:11 or 4.56) will make the effect
>>>> worse.
>>>>
>>>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the
>>>>> YJ's
>>>>> solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or does
>>>>> it
>>>>> continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to
>>>>> venture
>>>>> whether it affects handling or not?
>>>>>
>>>>> Earle
>>>>>
>>>>> "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sno,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if
>>>>>> someone is
>>>>>> looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works
>>>>>> great.
>>>>>> Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that you
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> afford.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Carl
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
>>>>>>> <----------@***.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> if want to see eyes light up
>>>>>>>> as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> try to drive and manuver it.
>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>> TheSnoMan.com
>>>>>>
>>

SnoMan

On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:40:56 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
<crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:

>You underestimate the depth and breadth of Roy's knowledge.
>
>Roy is more right than you are.


My opion hsa been based on his stupid answer and if you think theey
are intelligent than you are in the same boat as him. Ignoring the
physics involved does not render them moot but you both seem to think
it does.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

SnoMan

On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:40:56 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
<crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:

>You underestimate the depth and breadth of Roy's knowledge.
>
>Roy is more right than you are.


My opion hsa been based on his stupid answer and if you think theey
are intelligent than you are in the same boat as him. Ignoring the
physics involved does not render them moot but you both seem to think
it does.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

SnoMan

On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:40:56 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
<crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:

>You underestimate the depth and breadth of Roy's knowledge.
>
>Roy is more right than you are.


My opion hsa been based on his stupid answer and if you think theey
are intelligent than you are in the same boat as him. Ignoring the
physics involved does not render them moot but you both seem to think
it does.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

SnoMan

On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:39:01 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
<crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:

>The torque steer problems you describe are of no consequence in my CJ. I do
>not live in the Snow Belt, and this clearly could play a role in my
>expereinces, but lacking snow I would dispute that torque steer is
>problematic. I have no torque steer problems in 4WD while offroading, but I
>am not able to address the affects in snow.


Torque ster is less noticable in snow then hard surfaces and i have
NEVER seen a 4x4 with a solid front axle with good traction that did
not torque steer in a tractive suface in a tight turn, NEVER. You just
take it as normal and do not know that there is a difference. I have
been driving them for over 35 years now have you?
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

SnoMan

On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:39:01 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
<crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:

>The torque steer problems you describe are of no consequence in my CJ. I do
>not live in the Snow Belt, and this clearly could play a role in my
>expereinces, but lacking snow I would dispute that torque steer is
>problematic. I have no torque steer problems in 4WD while offroading, but I
>am not able to address the affects in snow.


Torque ster is less noticable in snow then hard surfaces and i have
NEVER seen a 4x4 with a solid front axle with good traction that did
not torque steer in a tractive suface in a tight turn, NEVER. You just
take it as normal and do not know that there is a difference. I have
been driving them for over 35 years now have you?
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

SnoMan

On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:39:01 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
<crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:

>The torque steer problems you describe are of no consequence in my CJ. I do
>not live in the Snow Belt, and this clearly could play a role in my
>expereinces, but lacking snow I would dispute that torque steer is
>problematic. I have no torque steer problems in 4WD while offroading, but I
>am not able to address the affects in snow.


Torque ster is less noticable in snow then hard surfaces and i have
NEVER seen a 4x4 with a solid front axle with good traction that did
not torque steer in a tractive suface in a tight turn, NEVER. You just
take it as normal and do not know that there is a difference. I have
been driving them for over 35 years now have you?
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

Heatwave

In article <74jk139kn3917prcnhu8sr4ouikefuu2cc@4ax.com>,
admin@snoman.com says...
> Once a troll always a troll as you just cannot get it out of your
> blood can you. You may think your are being cute but others can see
> you for what you are. Some come here looking for advise and some like
> you come here to make jokes and act like a troll. Knock yourself out!
> -----------------
> TheTrollMan.com

How is it when you are the one "casting the bait" that they are the ones
trolling?