YJ front locker?
04-09-2007, 08:40 PM
#91
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Re: Re: Re: YJ front locker?
"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:39:01 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
> <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>The torque steer problems you describe are of no consequence in my CJ. I
>>do
>>not live in the Snow Belt, and this clearly could play a role in my
>>expereinces, but lacking snow I would dispute that torque steer is
>>problematic. I have no torque steer problems in 4WD while offroading, but
>>I
>>am not able to address the affects in snow.
>
>
> Torque ster is less noticable in snow then hard surfaces and i have
> NEVER seen a 4x4 with a solid front axle with good traction that did
> not torque steer in a tractive suface in a tight turn, NEVER. You just
> take it as normal and do not know that there is a difference. I have
> been driving them for over 35 years now have you?
You have absdolutely no clue what I do and do not know. None. You apparently
think it is not normal, and therefore is a problem.
I told you that torque steer is not a problem. It is not a problem. I
certainly notice it, but it is not a problem from either a mechanical
standpoint or a control standpoint. Torque steer is of no consequence. Ever.
Loss of turning radius can be a problem, but my transmission allows me to
change directions and try again. I'm okay with this, and the added traction
is well worth the effort to turn twice.
I did not say one word about a solid axle, but I agree that a locker is as
close as you can get without actually having one.
04-09-2007, 09:06 PM
#92
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Re: YJ front locker?
Well of COURSE you will have BINDING on a high traction surface with any
'part time' locked transfer case. But BINDING is NOT Torque Steer (your
term). On any turn, the front wheels (note that this is PLURAL as in TWO
of them) (sorry, I have to be REALLY expicit for retards) will travel a
different distance than the corresponding rear wheels. With the locked
transfer case, something must slip or give.
But of course, the standard advice to newbies is to NEVER EVER run a
part time transfer case in 4wd mode on high traction surfaces. So, after
your 35 years, it appears that you should take the advice to not run it
on high traction surfaces.
SnoMan wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:39:01 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
> <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>>The torque steer problems you describe are of no consequence in my CJ. I do
>>not live in the Snow Belt, and this clearly could play a role in my
>>expereinces, but lacking snow I would dispute that torque steer is
>>problematic. I have no torque steer problems in 4WD while offroading, but I
>>am not able to address the affects in snow.
>
>
>
> Torque ster is less noticable in snow then hard surfaces and i have
> NEVER seen a 4x4 with a solid front axle with good traction that did
> not torque steer in a tractive suface in a tight turn, NEVER. You just
> take it as normal and do not know that there is a difference. I have
> been driving them for over 35 years now have you?
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com
'part time' locked transfer case. But BINDING is NOT Torque Steer (your
term). On any turn, the front wheels (note that this is PLURAL as in TWO
of them) (sorry, I have to be REALLY expicit for retards) will travel a
different distance than the corresponding rear wheels. With the locked
transfer case, something must slip or give.
But of course, the standard advice to newbies is to NEVER EVER run a
part time transfer case in 4wd mode on high traction surfaces. So, after
your 35 years, it appears that you should take the advice to not run it
on high traction surfaces.
SnoMan wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:39:01 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
> <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>>The torque steer problems you describe are of no consequence in my CJ. I do
>>not live in the Snow Belt, and this clearly could play a role in my
>>expereinces, but lacking snow I would dispute that torque steer is
>>problematic. I have no torque steer problems in 4WD while offroading, but I
>>am not able to address the affects in snow.
>
>
>
> Torque ster is less noticable in snow then hard surfaces and i have
> NEVER seen a 4x4 with a solid front axle with good traction that did
> not torque steer in a tractive suface in a tight turn, NEVER. You just
> take it as normal and do not know that there is a difference. I have
> been driving them for over 35 years now have you?
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com
04-09-2007, 09:06 PM
#93
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Posts: n/a
Re: YJ front locker?
Well of COURSE you will have BINDING on a high traction surface with any
'part time' locked transfer case. But BINDING is NOT Torque Steer (your
term). On any turn, the front wheels (note that this is PLURAL as in TWO
of them) (sorry, I have to be REALLY expicit for retards) will travel a
different distance than the corresponding rear wheels. With the locked
transfer case, something must slip or give.
But of course, the standard advice to newbies is to NEVER EVER run a
part time transfer case in 4wd mode on high traction surfaces. So, after
your 35 years, it appears that you should take the advice to not run it
on high traction surfaces.
SnoMan wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:39:01 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
> <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>>The torque steer problems you describe are of no consequence in my CJ. I do
>>not live in the Snow Belt, and this clearly could play a role in my
>>expereinces, but lacking snow I would dispute that torque steer is
>>problematic. I have no torque steer problems in 4WD while offroading, but I
>>am not able to address the affects in snow.
>
>
>
> Torque ster is less noticable in snow then hard surfaces and i have
> NEVER seen a 4x4 with a solid front axle with good traction that did
> not torque steer in a tractive suface in a tight turn, NEVER. You just
> take it as normal and do not know that there is a difference. I have
> been driving them for over 35 years now have you?
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com
'part time' locked transfer case. But BINDING is NOT Torque Steer (your
term). On any turn, the front wheels (note that this is PLURAL as in TWO
of them) (sorry, I have to be REALLY expicit for retards) will travel a
different distance than the corresponding rear wheels. With the locked
transfer case, something must slip or give.
But of course, the standard advice to newbies is to NEVER EVER run a
part time transfer case in 4wd mode on high traction surfaces. So, after
your 35 years, it appears that you should take the advice to not run it
on high traction surfaces.
SnoMan wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:39:01 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
> <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>>The torque steer problems you describe are of no consequence in my CJ. I do
>>not live in the Snow Belt, and this clearly could play a role in my
>>expereinces, but lacking snow I would dispute that torque steer is
>>problematic. I have no torque steer problems in 4WD while offroading, but I
>>am not able to address the affects in snow.
>
>
>
> Torque ster is less noticable in snow then hard surfaces and i have
> NEVER seen a 4x4 with a solid front axle with good traction that did
> not torque steer in a tractive suface in a tight turn, NEVER. You just
> take it as normal and do not know that there is a difference. I have
> been driving them for over 35 years now have you?
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com
04-09-2007, 09:06 PM
#94
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Posts: n/a
Re: YJ front locker?
Well of COURSE you will have BINDING on a high traction surface with any
'part time' locked transfer case. But BINDING is NOT Torque Steer (your
term). On any turn, the front wheels (note that this is PLURAL as in TWO
of them) (sorry, I have to be REALLY expicit for retards) will travel a
different distance than the corresponding rear wheels. With the locked
transfer case, something must slip or give.
But of course, the standard advice to newbies is to NEVER EVER run a
part time transfer case in 4wd mode on high traction surfaces. So, after
your 35 years, it appears that you should take the advice to not run it
on high traction surfaces.
SnoMan wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:39:01 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
> <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>>The torque steer problems you describe are of no consequence in my CJ. I do
>>not live in the Snow Belt, and this clearly could play a role in my
>>expereinces, but lacking snow I would dispute that torque steer is
>>problematic. I have no torque steer problems in 4WD while offroading, but I
>>am not able to address the affects in snow.
>
>
>
> Torque ster is less noticable in snow then hard surfaces and i have
> NEVER seen a 4x4 with a solid front axle with good traction that did
> not torque steer in a tractive suface in a tight turn, NEVER. You just
> take it as normal and do not know that there is a difference. I have
> been driving them for over 35 years now have you?
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com
'part time' locked transfer case. But BINDING is NOT Torque Steer (your
term). On any turn, the front wheels (note that this is PLURAL as in TWO
of them) (sorry, I have to be REALLY expicit for retards) will travel a
different distance than the corresponding rear wheels. With the locked
transfer case, something must slip or give.
But of course, the standard advice to newbies is to NEVER EVER run a
part time transfer case in 4wd mode on high traction surfaces. So, after
your 35 years, it appears that you should take the advice to not run it
on high traction surfaces.
SnoMan wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:39:01 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
> <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>>The torque steer problems you describe are of no consequence in my CJ. I do
>>not live in the Snow Belt, and this clearly could play a role in my
>>expereinces, but lacking snow I would dispute that torque steer is
>>problematic. I have no torque steer problems in 4WD while offroading, but I
>>am not able to address the affects in snow.
>
>
>
> Torque ster is less noticable in snow then hard surfaces and i have
> NEVER seen a 4x4 with a solid front axle with good traction that did
> not torque steer in a tractive suface in a tight turn, NEVER. You just
> take it as normal and do not know that there is a difference. I have
> been driving them for over 35 years now have you?
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com
04-09-2007, 09:34 PM
#95
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Re: YJ front locker?
I have a Lockrite in my 91 YJ. I have no problems with it. Turning radius
is decreased in 4x4 mode, but who cares. After two years of 4 wheeling, I
did have to replace the springs in it for $20.
Lock-rite cost less than $200 and you can install it with out reseting the
ring and pinion gears.
"Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
news:1e6dnR4gWdvQWofbnZ2dnUVZ_o-knZ2d@comcast.com...
> That sounds OK then. Let us know how it goes. I would price a Detroit
> Locker and an insert type both, before making the decision.
>
> Earle
>
> "Greg" <greglc84@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:JBzSh.48720$DE1.20300@pd7urf2no...
>> She has 4.88s, but doesn't go on highways, two ferries to get out of
> here,
>> 40 miles from one end to other of town, so highway is not much of a
> concern.
>>
>> "RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
>> news:gsxSh.21156$tD2.7679@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
>> > The background: A CJ with the hubs unlocked will have no torque
>> > transmitted to the drivetrain. A TJ has no unlocking hub so it
>> > continuously drives the front driveshaft with both wheels contributing
> to
>> > the drive. Makes the wheel feel 'heavy', gives it a slight understeer.
>> >
>> > The YJ is a strange compromise: when in 2wd, the right outer shaft is
>> > unlocked so the right wheel has no drivetrain drag (except the outer
>> > U-joint if you are turning). The left side is driving the left spider
>> > gear, the two spider idlers, and the right spider at full speed in
>> > reverse. As long as the spider running freely, there is not enough
> torque
>> > to reverse load the ring and spin the pinion/front drive shaft. The
> result
>> > is that there is a minor but constant drag on the left that is not
> matched
>> > on the right side. It will 'pull' to the left. Given the kluges in the
> YJ
>> > front suspension, it would be hard to notice the minor pull.
>> >
>> > Adding a locker of any type (lunchbox, gear drive, LSD) will make the
> ring
>> > gear, pinion, and front driveshaft spin at all times. That should be
>> > sufficient to give you a slight but noticeable pull to the left at
> highway
>> > speed. A high ratio axle (4:11 or 4.56) will make the effect worse.
>> >
>> > Earle Horton wrote:
>> >
>> >> No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the
> YJ's
>> >> solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or does
> it
>> >> continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to
>> >> venture
>> >> whether it affects handling or not?
>> >>
>> >> Earle
>> >>
>> >> "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> >>
>> >>>Sno,
>> >>>
>> >>> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when
>> >>> it
>> >>>comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if
>> >>>someone
>> >>>is
>> >>>looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works great.
>> >>>Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that you
> can
>> >>>afford.
>> >>>
>> >>>Carl
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
>> >>>news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.com ...
>> >>>
>> >>>>On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
>> >>>><----------@***.net> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>if want to see eyes light up
>> >>>>>as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that
>> >>>>and
>> >>>>try to drive and manuver it.
>> >>>>-----------------
>> >>>>TheSnoMan.com
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>>
>
>
is decreased in 4x4 mode, but who cares. After two years of 4 wheeling, I
did have to replace the springs in it for $20.
Lock-rite cost less than $200 and you can install it with out reseting the
ring and pinion gears.
"Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
news:1e6dnR4gWdvQWofbnZ2dnUVZ_o-knZ2d@comcast.com...
> That sounds OK then. Let us know how it goes. I would price a Detroit
> Locker and an insert type both, before making the decision.
>
> Earle
>
> "Greg" <greglc84@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:JBzSh.48720$DE1.20300@pd7urf2no...
>> She has 4.88s, but doesn't go on highways, two ferries to get out of
> here,
>> 40 miles from one end to other of town, so highway is not much of a
> concern.
>>
>> "RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
>> news:gsxSh.21156$tD2.7679@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
>> > The background: A CJ with the hubs unlocked will have no torque
>> > transmitted to the drivetrain. A TJ has no unlocking hub so it
>> > continuously drives the front driveshaft with both wheels contributing
> to
>> > the drive. Makes the wheel feel 'heavy', gives it a slight understeer.
>> >
>> > The YJ is a strange compromise: when in 2wd, the right outer shaft is
>> > unlocked so the right wheel has no drivetrain drag (except the outer
>> > U-joint if you are turning). The left side is driving the left spider
>> > gear, the two spider idlers, and the right spider at full speed in
>> > reverse. As long as the spider running freely, there is not enough
> torque
>> > to reverse load the ring and spin the pinion/front drive shaft. The
> result
>> > is that there is a minor but constant drag on the left that is not
> matched
>> > on the right side. It will 'pull' to the left. Given the kluges in the
> YJ
>> > front suspension, it would be hard to notice the minor pull.
>> >
>> > Adding a locker of any type (lunchbox, gear drive, LSD) will make the
> ring
>> > gear, pinion, and front driveshaft spin at all times. That should be
>> > sufficient to give you a slight but noticeable pull to the left at
> highway
>> > speed. A high ratio axle (4:11 or 4.56) will make the effect worse.
>> >
>> > Earle Horton wrote:
>> >
>> >> No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the
> YJ's
>> >> solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or does
> it
>> >> continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to
>> >> venture
>> >> whether it affects handling or not?
>> >>
>> >> Earle
>> >>
>> >> "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> >>
>> >>>Sno,
>> >>>
>> >>> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when
>> >>> it
>> >>>comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if
>> >>>someone
>> >>>is
>> >>>looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works great.
>> >>>Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that you
> can
>> >>>afford.
>> >>>
>> >>>Carl
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
>> >>>news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.com ...
>> >>>
>> >>>>On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
>> >>>><----------@***.net> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>if want to see eyes light up
>> >>>>>as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that
>> >>>>and
>> >>>>try to drive and manuver it.
>> >>>>-----------------
>> >>>>TheSnoMan.com
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>>
>
>
04-09-2007, 09:34 PM
#96
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: YJ front locker?
I have a Lockrite in my 91 YJ. I have no problems with it. Turning radius
is decreased in 4x4 mode, but who cares. After two years of 4 wheeling, I
did have to replace the springs in it for $20.
Lock-rite cost less than $200 and you can install it with out reseting the
ring and pinion gears.
"Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
news:1e6dnR4gWdvQWofbnZ2dnUVZ_o-knZ2d@comcast.com...
> That sounds OK then. Let us know how it goes. I would price a Detroit
> Locker and an insert type both, before making the decision.
>
> Earle
>
> "Greg" <greglc84@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:JBzSh.48720$DE1.20300@pd7urf2no...
>> She has 4.88s, but doesn't go on highways, two ferries to get out of
> here,
>> 40 miles from one end to other of town, so highway is not much of a
> concern.
>>
>> "RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
>> news:gsxSh.21156$tD2.7679@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
>> > The background: A CJ with the hubs unlocked will have no torque
>> > transmitted to the drivetrain. A TJ has no unlocking hub so it
>> > continuously drives the front driveshaft with both wheels contributing
> to
>> > the drive. Makes the wheel feel 'heavy', gives it a slight understeer.
>> >
>> > The YJ is a strange compromise: when in 2wd, the right outer shaft is
>> > unlocked so the right wheel has no drivetrain drag (except the outer
>> > U-joint if you are turning). The left side is driving the left spider
>> > gear, the two spider idlers, and the right spider at full speed in
>> > reverse. As long as the spider running freely, there is not enough
> torque
>> > to reverse load the ring and spin the pinion/front drive shaft. The
> result
>> > is that there is a minor but constant drag on the left that is not
> matched
>> > on the right side. It will 'pull' to the left. Given the kluges in the
> YJ
>> > front suspension, it would be hard to notice the minor pull.
>> >
>> > Adding a locker of any type (lunchbox, gear drive, LSD) will make the
> ring
>> > gear, pinion, and front driveshaft spin at all times. That should be
>> > sufficient to give you a slight but noticeable pull to the left at
> highway
>> > speed. A high ratio axle (4:11 or 4.56) will make the effect worse.
>> >
>> > Earle Horton wrote:
>> >
>> >> No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the
> YJ's
>> >> solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or does
> it
>> >> continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to
>> >> venture
>> >> whether it affects handling or not?
>> >>
>> >> Earle
>> >>
>> >> "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> >>
>> >>>Sno,
>> >>>
>> >>> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when
>> >>> it
>> >>>comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if
>> >>>someone
>> >>>is
>> >>>looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works great.
>> >>>Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that you
> can
>> >>>afford.
>> >>>
>> >>>Carl
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
>> >>>news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.com ...
>> >>>
>> >>>>On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
>> >>>><----------@***.net> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>if want to see eyes light up
>> >>>>>as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that
>> >>>>and
>> >>>>try to drive and manuver it.
>> >>>>-----------------
>> >>>>TheSnoMan.com
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>>
>
>
is decreased in 4x4 mode, but who cares. After two years of 4 wheeling, I
did have to replace the springs in it for $20.
Lock-rite cost less than $200 and you can install it with out reseting the
ring and pinion gears.
"Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
news:1e6dnR4gWdvQWofbnZ2dnUVZ_o-knZ2d@comcast.com...
> That sounds OK then. Let us know how it goes. I would price a Detroit
> Locker and an insert type both, before making the decision.
>
> Earle
>
> "Greg" <greglc84@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:JBzSh.48720$DE1.20300@pd7urf2no...
>> She has 4.88s, but doesn't go on highways, two ferries to get out of
> here,
>> 40 miles from one end to other of town, so highway is not much of a
> concern.
>>
>> "RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
>> news:gsxSh.21156$tD2.7679@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
>> > The background: A CJ with the hubs unlocked will have no torque
>> > transmitted to the drivetrain. A TJ has no unlocking hub so it
>> > continuously drives the front driveshaft with both wheels contributing
> to
>> > the drive. Makes the wheel feel 'heavy', gives it a slight understeer.
>> >
>> > The YJ is a strange compromise: when in 2wd, the right outer shaft is
>> > unlocked so the right wheel has no drivetrain drag (except the outer
>> > U-joint if you are turning). The left side is driving the left spider
>> > gear, the two spider idlers, and the right spider at full speed in
>> > reverse. As long as the spider running freely, there is not enough
> torque
>> > to reverse load the ring and spin the pinion/front drive shaft. The
> result
>> > is that there is a minor but constant drag on the left that is not
> matched
>> > on the right side. It will 'pull' to the left. Given the kluges in the
> YJ
>> > front suspension, it would be hard to notice the minor pull.
>> >
>> > Adding a locker of any type (lunchbox, gear drive, LSD) will make the
> ring
>> > gear, pinion, and front driveshaft spin at all times. That should be
>> > sufficient to give you a slight but noticeable pull to the left at
> highway
>> > speed. A high ratio axle (4:11 or 4.56) will make the effect worse.
>> >
>> > Earle Horton wrote:
>> >
>> >> No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the
> YJ's
>> >> solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or does
> it
>> >> continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to
>> >> venture
>> >> whether it affects handling or not?
>> >>
>> >> Earle
>> >>
>> >> "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> >>
>> >>>Sno,
>> >>>
>> >>> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when
>> >>> it
>> >>>comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if
>> >>>someone
>> >>>is
>> >>>looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works great.
>> >>>Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that you
> can
>> >>>afford.
>> >>>
>> >>>Carl
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
>> >>>news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.com ...
>> >>>
>> >>>>On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
>> >>>><----------@***.net> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>if want to see eyes light up
>> >>>>>as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that
>> >>>>and
>> >>>>try to drive and manuver it.
>> >>>>-----------------
>> >>>>TheSnoMan.com
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>>
>
>
04-09-2007, 09:34 PM
#97
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: YJ front locker?
I have a Lockrite in my 91 YJ. I have no problems with it. Turning radius
is decreased in 4x4 mode, but who cares. After two years of 4 wheeling, I
did have to replace the springs in it for $20.
Lock-rite cost less than $200 and you can install it with out reseting the
ring and pinion gears.
"Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
news:1e6dnR4gWdvQWofbnZ2dnUVZ_o-knZ2d@comcast.com...
> That sounds OK then. Let us know how it goes. I would price a Detroit
> Locker and an insert type both, before making the decision.
>
> Earle
>
> "Greg" <greglc84@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:JBzSh.48720$DE1.20300@pd7urf2no...
>> She has 4.88s, but doesn't go on highways, two ferries to get out of
> here,
>> 40 miles from one end to other of town, so highway is not much of a
> concern.
>>
>> "RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
>> news:gsxSh.21156$tD2.7679@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
>> > The background: A CJ with the hubs unlocked will have no torque
>> > transmitted to the drivetrain. A TJ has no unlocking hub so it
>> > continuously drives the front driveshaft with both wheels contributing
> to
>> > the drive. Makes the wheel feel 'heavy', gives it a slight understeer.
>> >
>> > The YJ is a strange compromise: when in 2wd, the right outer shaft is
>> > unlocked so the right wheel has no drivetrain drag (except the outer
>> > U-joint if you are turning). The left side is driving the left spider
>> > gear, the two spider idlers, and the right spider at full speed in
>> > reverse. As long as the spider running freely, there is not enough
> torque
>> > to reverse load the ring and spin the pinion/front drive shaft. The
> result
>> > is that there is a minor but constant drag on the left that is not
> matched
>> > on the right side. It will 'pull' to the left. Given the kluges in the
> YJ
>> > front suspension, it would be hard to notice the minor pull.
>> >
>> > Adding a locker of any type (lunchbox, gear drive, LSD) will make the
> ring
>> > gear, pinion, and front driveshaft spin at all times. That should be
>> > sufficient to give you a slight but noticeable pull to the left at
> highway
>> > speed. A high ratio axle (4:11 or 4.56) will make the effect worse.
>> >
>> > Earle Horton wrote:
>> >
>> >> No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the
> YJ's
>> >> solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or does
> it
>> >> continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to
>> >> venture
>> >> whether it affects handling or not?
>> >>
>> >> Earle
>> >>
>> >> "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> >>
>> >>>Sno,
>> >>>
>> >>> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when
>> >>> it
>> >>>comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if
>> >>>someone
>> >>>is
>> >>>looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works great.
>> >>>Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that you
> can
>> >>>afford.
>> >>>
>> >>>Carl
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
>> >>>news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.com ...
>> >>>
>> >>>>On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
>> >>>><----------@***.net> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>if want to see eyes light up
>> >>>>>as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that
>> >>>>and
>> >>>>try to drive and manuver it.
>> >>>>-----------------
>> >>>>TheSnoMan.com
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>>
>
>
is decreased in 4x4 mode, but who cares. After two years of 4 wheeling, I
did have to replace the springs in it for $20.
Lock-rite cost less than $200 and you can install it with out reseting the
ring and pinion gears.
"Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
news:1e6dnR4gWdvQWofbnZ2dnUVZ_o-knZ2d@comcast.com...
> That sounds OK then. Let us know how it goes. I would price a Detroit
> Locker and an insert type both, before making the decision.
>
> Earle
>
> "Greg" <greglc84@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:JBzSh.48720$DE1.20300@pd7urf2no...
>> She has 4.88s, but doesn't go on highways, two ferries to get out of
> here,
>> 40 miles from one end to other of town, so highway is not much of a
> concern.
>>
>> "RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
>> news:gsxSh.21156$tD2.7679@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
>> > The background: A CJ with the hubs unlocked will have no torque
>> > transmitted to the drivetrain. A TJ has no unlocking hub so it
>> > continuously drives the front driveshaft with both wheels contributing
> to
>> > the drive. Makes the wheel feel 'heavy', gives it a slight understeer.
>> >
>> > The YJ is a strange compromise: when in 2wd, the right outer shaft is
>> > unlocked so the right wheel has no drivetrain drag (except the outer
>> > U-joint if you are turning). The left side is driving the left spider
>> > gear, the two spider idlers, and the right spider at full speed in
>> > reverse. As long as the spider running freely, there is not enough
> torque
>> > to reverse load the ring and spin the pinion/front drive shaft. The
> result
>> > is that there is a minor but constant drag on the left that is not
> matched
>> > on the right side. It will 'pull' to the left. Given the kluges in the
> YJ
>> > front suspension, it would be hard to notice the minor pull.
>> >
>> > Adding a locker of any type (lunchbox, gear drive, LSD) will make the
> ring
>> > gear, pinion, and front driveshaft spin at all times. That should be
>> > sufficient to give you a slight but noticeable pull to the left at
> highway
>> > speed. A high ratio axle (4:11 or 4.56) will make the effect worse.
>> >
>> > Earle Horton wrote:
>> >
>> >> No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the
> YJ's
>> >> solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or does
> it
>> >> continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to
>> >> venture
>> >> whether it affects handling or not?
>> >>
>> >> Earle
>> >>
>> >> "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> >>
>> >>>Sno,
>> >>>
>> >>> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when
>> >>> it
>> >>>comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if
>> >>>someone
>> >>>is
>> >>>looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works great.
>> >>>Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that you
> can
>> >>>afford.
>> >>>
>> >>>Carl
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
>> >>>news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.com ...
>> >>>
>> >>>>On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
>> >>>><----------@***.net> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>if want to see eyes light up
>> >>>>>as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that
>> >>>>and
>> >>>>try to drive and manuver it.
>> >>>>-----------------
>> >>>>TheSnoMan.com
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>>
>
>
04-09-2007, 10:08 PM
#98
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: YJ front locker?
Thanks for the info!
Earle
"Bob" <robertworr@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:eQBSh.2122$qB4.139@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
> I have a Lockrite in my 91 YJ. I have no problems with it. Turning
radius
> is decreased in 4x4 mode, but who cares. After two years of 4 wheeling, I
> did have to replace the springs in it for $20.
>
> Lock-rite cost less than $200 and you can install it with out reseting the
> ring and pinion gears.
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
> news:1e6dnR4gWdvQWofbnZ2dnUVZ_o-knZ2d@comcast.com...
> > That sounds OK then. Let us know how it goes. I would price a Detroit
> > Locker and an insert type both, before making the decision.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Greg" <greglc84@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:JBzSh.48720$DE1.20300@pd7urf2no...
> >> She has 4.88s, but doesn't go on highways, two ferries to get out of
> > here,
> >> 40 miles from one end to other of town, so highway is not much of a
> > concern.
> >>
> >> "RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
> >> news:gsxSh.21156$tD2.7679@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
> >> > The background: A CJ with the hubs unlocked will have no torque
> >> > transmitted to the drivetrain. A TJ has no unlocking hub so it
> >> > continuously drives the front driveshaft with both wheels
contributing
> > to
> >> > the drive. Makes the wheel feel 'heavy', gives it a slight
understeer.
> >> >
> >> > The YJ is a strange compromise: when in 2wd, the right outer shaft is
> >> > unlocked so the right wheel has no drivetrain drag (except the outer
> >> > U-joint if you are turning). The left side is driving the left spider
> >> > gear, the two spider idlers, and the right spider at full speed in
> >> > reverse. As long as the spider running freely, there is not enough
> > torque
> >> > to reverse load the ring and spin the pinion/front drive shaft. The
> > result
> >> > is that there is a minor but constant drag on the left that is not
> > matched
> >> > on the right side. It will 'pull' to the left. Given the kluges in
the
> > YJ
> >> > front suspension, it would be hard to notice the minor pull.
> >> >
> >> > Adding a locker of any type (lunchbox, gear drive, LSD) will make the
> > ring
> >> > gear, pinion, and front driveshaft spin at all times. That should be
> >> > sufficient to give you a slight but noticeable pull to the left at
> > highway
> >> > speed. A high ratio axle (4:11 or 4.56) will make the effect worse.
> >> >
> >> > Earle Horton wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the
> > YJ's
> >> >> solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or
does
> > it
> >> >> continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to
> >> >> venture
> >> >> whether it affects handling or not?
> >> >>
> >> >> Earle
> >> >>
> >> >> "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >> >>
> >> >>>Sno,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when
> >> >>> it
> >> >>>comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if
> >> >>>someone
> >> >>>is
> >> >>>looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works
great.
> >> >>>Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that
you
> > can
> >> >>>afford.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Carl
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
> >> >>>news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.com ...
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
> >> >>>><----------@***.net> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>if want to see eyes light up
> >> >>>>>as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that
> >> >>>>and
> >> >>>>try to drive and manuver it.
> >> >>>>-----------------
> >> >>>>TheSnoMan.com
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
Earle
"Bob" <robertworr@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:eQBSh.2122$qB4.139@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
> I have a Lockrite in my 91 YJ. I have no problems with it. Turning
radius
> is decreased in 4x4 mode, but who cares. After two years of 4 wheeling, I
> did have to replace the springs in it for $20.
>
> Lock-rite cost less than $200 and you can install it with out reseting the
> ring and pinion gears.
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
> news:1e6dnR4gWdvQWofbnZ2dnUVZ_o-knZ2d@comcast.com...
> > That sounds OK then. Let us know how it goes. I would price a Detroit
> > Locker and an insert type both, before making the decision.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Greg" <greglc84@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:JBzSh.48720$DE1.20300@pd7urf2no...
> >> She has 4.88s, but doesn't go on highways, two ferries to get out of
> > here,
> >> 40 miles from one end to other of town, so highway is not much of a
> > concern.
> >>
> >> "RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
> >> news:gsxSh.21156$tD2.7679@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
> >> > The background: A CJ with the hubs unlocked will have no torque
> >> > transmitted to the drivetrain. A TJ has no unlocking hub so it
> >> > continuously drives the front driveshaft with both wheels
contributing
> > to
> >> > the drive. Makes the wheel feel 'heavy', gives it a slight
understeer.
> >> >
> >> > The YJ is a strange compromise: when in 2wd, the right outer shaft is
> >> > unlocked so the right wheel has no drivetrain drag (except the outer
> >> > U-joint if you are turning). The left side is driving the left spider
> >> > gear, the two spider idlers, and the right spider at full speed in
> >> > reverse. As long as the spider running freely, there is not enough
> > torque
> >> > to reverse load the ring and spin the pinion/front drive shaft. The
> > result
> >> > is that there is a minor but constant drag on the left that is not
> > matched
> >> > on the right side. It will 'pull' to the left. Given the kluges in
the
> > YJ
> >> > front suspension, it would be hard to notice the minor pull.
> >> >
> >> > Adding a locker of any type (lunchbox, gear drive, LSD) will make the
> > ring
> >> > gear, pinion, and front driveshaft spin at all times. That should be
> >> > sufficient to give you a slight but noticeable pull to the left at
> > highway
> >> > speed. A high ratio axle (4:11 or 4.56) will make the effect worse.
> >> >
> >> > Earle Horton wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the
> > YJ's
> >> >> solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or
does
> > it
> >> >> continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to
> >> >> venture
> >> >> whether it affects handling or not?
> >> >>
> >> >> Earle
> >> >>
> >> >> "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >> >>
> >> >>>Sno,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when
> >> >>> it
> >> >>>comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if
> >> >>>someone
> >> >>>is
> >> >>>looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works
great.
> >> >>>Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that
you
> > can
> >> >>>afford.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Carl
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
> >> >>>news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.com ...
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
> >> >>>><----------@***.net> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>if want to see eyes light up
> >> >>>>>as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that
> >> >>>>and
> >> >>>>try to drive and manuver it.
> >> >>>>-----------------
> >> >>>>TheSnoMan.com
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
04-09-2007, 10:08 PM
#99
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: YJ front locker?
Thanks for the info!
Earle
"Bob" <robertworr@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:eQBSh.2122$qB4.139@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
> I have a Lockrite in my 91 YJ. I have no problems with it. Turning
radius
> is decreased in 4x4 mode, but who cares. After two years of 4 wheeling, I
> did have to replace the springs in it for $20.
>
> Lock-rite cost less than $200 and you can install it with out reseting the
> ring and pinion gears.
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
> news:1e6dnR4gWdvQWofbnZ2dnUVZ_o-knZ2d@comcast.com...
> > That sounds OK then. Let us know how it goes. I would price a Detroit
> > Locker and an insert type both, before making the decision.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Greg" <greglc84@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:JBzSh.48720$DE1.20300@pd7urf2no...
> >> She has 4.88s, but doesn't go on highways, two ferries to get out of
> > here,
> >> 40 miles from one end to other of town, so highway is not much of a
> > concern.
> >>
> >> "RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
> >> news:gsxSh.21156$tD2.7679@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
> >> > The background: A CJ with the hubs unlocked will have no torque
> >> > transmitted to the drivetrain. A TJ has no unlocking hub so it
> >> > continuously drives the front driveshaft with both wheels
contributing
> > to
> >> > the drive. Makes the wheel feel 'heavy', gives it a slight
understeer.
> >> >
> >> > The YJ is a strange compromise: when in 2wd, the right outer shaft is
> >> > unlocked so the right wheel has no drivetrain drag (except the outer
> >> > U-joint if you are turning). The left side is driving the left spider
> >> > gear, the two spider idlers, and the right spider at full speed in
> >> > reverse. As long as the spider running freely, there is not enough
> > torque
> >> > to reverse load the ring and spin the pinion/front drive shaft. The
> > result
> >> > is that there is a minor but constant drag on the left that is not
> > matched
> >> > on the right side. It will 'pull' to the left. Given the kluges in
the
> > YJ
> >> > front suspension, it would be hard to notice the minor pull.
> >> >
> >> > Adding a locker of any type (lunchbox, gear drive, LSD) will make the
> > ring
> >> > gear, pinion, and front driveshaft spin at all times. That should be
> >> > sufficient to give you a slight but noticeable pull to the left at
> > highway
> >> > speed. A high ratio axle (4:11 or 4.56) will make the effect worse.
> >> >
> >> > Earle Horton wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the
> > YJ's
> >> >> solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or
does
> > it
> >> >> continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to
> >> >> venture
> >> >> whether it affects handling or not?
> >> >>
> >> >> Earle
> >> >>
> >> >> "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >> >>
> >> >>>Sno,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when
> >> >>> it
> >> >>>comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if
> >> >>>someone
> >> >>>is
> >> >>>looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works
great.
> >> >>>Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that
you
> > can
> >> >>>afford.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Carl
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
> >> >>>news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.com ...
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
> >> >>>><----------@***.net> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>if want to see eyes light up
> >> >>>>>as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that
> >> >>>>and
> >> >>>>try to drive and manuver it.
> >> >>>>-----------------
> >> >>>>TheSnoMan.com
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
Earle
"Bob" <robertworr@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:eQBSh.2122$qB4.139@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
> I have a Lockrite in my 91 YJ. I have no problems with it. Turning
radius
> is decreased in 4x4 mode, but who cares. After two years of 4 wheeling, I
> did have to replace the springs in it for $20.
>
> Lock-rite cost less than $200 and you can install it with out reseting the
> ring and pinion gears.
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
> news:1e6dnR4gWdvQWofbnZ2dnUVZ_o-knZ2d@comcast.com...
> > That sounds OK then. Let us know how it goes. I would price a Detroit
> > Locker and an insert type both, before making the decision.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Greg" <greglc84@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:JBzSh.48720$DE1.20300@pd7urf2no...
> >> She has 4.88s, but doesn't go on highways, two ferries to get out of
> > here,
> >> 40 miles from one end to other of town, so highway is not much of a
> > concern.
> >>
> >> "RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
> >> news:gsxSh.21156$tD2.7679@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
> >> > The background: A CJ with the hubs unlocked will have no torque
> >> > transmitted to the drivetrain. A TJ has no unlocking hub so it
> >> > continuously drives the front driveshaft with both wheels
contributing
> > to
> >> > the drive. Makes the wheel feel 'heavy', gives it a slight
understeer.
> >> >
> >> > The YJ is a strange compromise: when in 2wd, the right outer shaft is
> >> > unlocked so the right wheel has no drivetrain drag (except the outer
> >> > U-joint if you are turning). The left side is driving the left spider
> >> > gear, the two spider idlers, and the right spider at full speed in
> >> > reverse. As long as the spider running freely, there is not enough
> > torque
> >> > to reverse load the ring and spin the pinion/front drive shaft. The
> > result
> >> > is that there is a minor but constant drag on the left that is not
> > matched
> >> > on the right side. It will 'pull' to the left. Given the kluges in
the
> > YJ
> >> > front suspension, it would be hard to notice the minor pull.
> >> >
> >> > Adding a locker of any type (lunchbox, gear drive, LSD) will make the
> > ring
> >> > gear, pinion, and front driveshaft spin at all times. That should be
> >> > sufficient to give you a slight but noticeable pull to the left at
> > highway
> >> > speed. A high ratio axle (4:11 or 4.56) will make the effect worse.
> >> >
> >> > Earle Horton wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the
> > YJ's
> >> >> solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or
does
> > it
> >> >> continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to
> >> >> venture
> >> >> whether it affects handling or not?
> >> >>
> >> >> Earle
> >> >>
> >> >> "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >> >>
> >> >>>Sno,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when
> >> >>> it
> >> >>>comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if
> >> >>>someone
> >> >>>is
> >> >>>looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works
great.
> >> >>>Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that
you
> > can
> >> >>>afford.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Carl
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
> >> >>>news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.com ...
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
> >> >>>><----------@***.net> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>if want to see eyes light up
> >> >>>>>as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that
> >> >>>>and
> >> >>>>try to drive and manuver it.
> >> >>>>-----------------
> >> >>>>TheSnoMan.com
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
04-09-2007, 10:08 PM
#100
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Re: YJ front locker?
Thanks for the info!
Earle
"Bob" <robertworr@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:eQBSh.2122$qB4.139@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
> I have a Lockrite in my 91 YJ. I have no problems with it. Turning
radius
> is decreased in 4x4 mode, but who cares. After two years of 4 wheeling, I
> did have to replace the springs in it for $20.
>
> Lock-rite cost less than $200 and you can install it with out reseting the
> ring and pinion gears.
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
> news:1e6dnR4gWdvQWofbnZ2dnUVZ_o-knZ2d@comcast.com...
> > That sounds OK then. Let us know how it goes. I would price a Detroit
> > Locker and an insert type both, before making the decision.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Greg" <greglc84@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:JBzSh.48720$DE1.20300@pd7urf2no...
> >> She has 4.88s, but doesn't go on highways, two ferries to get out of
> > here,
> >> 40 miles from one end to other of town, so highway is not much of a
> > concern.
> >>
> >> "RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
> >> news:gsxSh.21156$tD2.7679@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
> >> > The background: A CJ with the hubs unlocked will have no torque
> >> > transmitted to the drivetrain. A TJ has no unlocking hub so it
> >> > continuously drives the front driveshaft with both wheels
contributing
> > to
> >> > the drive. Makes the wheel feel 'heavy', gives it a slight
understeer.
> >> >
> >> > The YJ is a strange compromise: when in 2wd, the right outer shaft is
> >> > unlocked so the right wheel has no drivetrain drag (except the outer
> >> > U-joint if you are turning). The left side is driving the left spider
> >> > gear, the two spider idlers, and the right spider at full speed in
> >> > reverse. As long as the spider running freely, there is not enough
> > torque
> >> > to reverse load the ring and spin the pinion/front drive shaft. The
> > result
> >> > is that there is a minor but constant drag on the left that is not
> > matched
> >> > on the right side. It will 'pull' to the left. Given the kluges in
the
> > YJ
> >> > front suspension, it would be hard to notice the minor pull.
> >> >
> >> > Adding a locker of any type (lunchbox, gear drive, LSD) will make the
> > ring
> >> > gear, pinion, and front driveshaft spin at all times. That should be
> >> > sufficient to give you a slight but noticeable pull to the left at
> > highway
> >> > speed. A high ratio axle (4:11 or 4.56) will make the effect worse.
> >> >
> >> > Earle Horton wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the
> > YJ's
> >> >> solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or
does
> > it
> >> >> continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to
> >> >> venture
> >> >> whether it affects handling or not?
> >> >>
> >> >> Earle
> >> >>
> >> >> "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >> >>
> >> >>>Sno,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when
> >> >>> it
> >> >>>comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if
> >> >>>someone
> >> >>>is
> >> >>>looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works
great.
> >> >>>Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that
you
> > can
> >> >>>afford.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Carl
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
> >> >>>news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.com ...
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
> >> >>>><----------@***.net> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>if want to see eyes light up
> >> >>>>>as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that
> >> >>>>and
> >> >>>>try to drive and manuver it.
> >> >>>>-----------------
> >> >>>>TheSnoMan.com
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
Earle
"Bob" <robertworr@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:eQBSh.2122$qB4.139@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
> I have a Lockrite in my 91 YJ. I have no problems with it. Turning
radius
> is decreased in 4x4 mode, but who cares. After two years of 4 wheeling, I
> did have to replace the springs in it for $20.
>
> Lock-rite cost less than $200 and you can install it with out reseting the
> ring and pinion gears.
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
> news:1e6dnR4gWdvQWofbnZ2dnUVZ_o-knZ2d@comcast.com...
> > That sounds OK then. Let us know how it goes. I would price a Detroit
> > Locker and an insert type both, before making the decision.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Greg" <greglc84@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:JBzSh.48720$DE1.20300@pd7urf2no...
> >> She has 4.88s, but doesn't go on highways, two ferries to get out of
> > here,
> >> 40 miles from one end to other of town, so highway is not much of a
> > concern.
> >>
> >> "RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
> >> news:gsxSh.21156$tD2.7679@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
> >> > The background: A CJ with the hubs unlocked will have no torque
> >> > transmitted to the drivetrain. A TJ has no unlocking hub so it
> >> > continuously drives the front driveshaft with both wheels
contributing
> > to
> >> > the drive. Makes the wheel feel 'heavy', gives it a slight
understeer.
> >> >
> >> > The YJ is a strange compromise: when in 2wd, the right outer shaft is
> >> > unlocked so the right wheel has no drivetrain drag (except the outer
> >> > U-joint if you are turning). The left side is driving the left spider
> >> > gear, the two spider idlers, and the right spider at full speed in
> >> > reverse. As long as the spider running freely, there is not enough
> > torque
> >> > to reverse load the ring and spin the pinion/front drive shaft. The
> > result
> >> > is that there is a minor but constant drag on the left that is not
> > matched
> >> > on the right side. It will 'pull' to the left. Given the kluges in
the
> > YJ
> >> > front suspension, it would be hard to notice the minor pull.
> >> >
> >> > Adding a locker of any type (lunchbox, gear drive, LSD) will make the
> > ring
> >> > gear, pinion, and front driveshaft spin at all times. That should be
> >> > sufficient to give you a slight but noticeable pull to the left at
> > highway
> >> > speed. A high ratio axle (4:11 or 4.56) will make the effect worse.
> >> >
> >> > Earle Horton wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the
> > YJ's
> >> >> solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or
does
> > it
> >> >> continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to
> >> >> venture
> >> >> whether it affects handling or not?
> >> >>
> >> >> Earle
> >> >>
> >> >> "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >> >>
> >> >>>Sno,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when
> >> >>> it
> >> >>>comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if
> >> >>>someone
> >> >>>is
> >> >>>looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works
great.
> >> >>>Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that
you
> > can
> >> >>>afford.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Carl
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
> >> >>>news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.com ...
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
> >> >>>><----------@***.net> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>if want to see eyes light up
> >> >>>>>as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that
> >> >>>>and
> >> >>>>try to drive and manuver it.
> >> >>>>-----------------
> >> >>>>TheSnoMan.com
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>