YJ front locker?
04-09-2007, 01:06 PM
#51
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Re: YJ front locker?
If I have my front hubs locked in my CJ7, it turns the driveshaft and
makes the steering feel 'slightly heavier' when in 2 wheel drive.
In my case I have an open diff so I would only be spinning one axle side
and the driveshaft which should feel 'exactly' the same as a YJ locked
with the axle disconnected in the middle which would only spin one axle
side and the driveshaft when in 2 wheel drive.
At least the YJ owner wouldn't have to get out to lock her up, just pull
the shifter which turns on the 'stock' vacuum motor which locks it up.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
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Earle Horton wrote:
> No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the YJ's
> solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or does it
> continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to venture
> whether it affects handling or not?
>
> Earle
>
> "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Sno,
>>
>> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when it
>> comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if someone is
>> looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works great.
>> Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that you can
>> afford.
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>> "SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
>> news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
>>> <----------@***.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> if want to see eyes light up
>>>> as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker:
>>>
>>> This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that and
>>> try to drive and manuver it.
>>> -----------------
>>> TheSnoMan.com
>>
>
>
makes the steering feel 'slightly heavier' when in 2 wheel drive.
In my case I have an open diff so I would only be spinning one axle side
and the driveshaft which should feel 'exactly' the same as a YJ locked
with the axle disconnected in the middle which would only spin one axle
side and the driveshaft when in 2 wheel drive.
At least the YJ owner wouldn't have to get out to lock her up, just pull
the shifter which turns on the 'stock' vacuum motor which locks it up.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Earle Horton wrote:
> No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the YJ's
> solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or does it
> continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to venture
> whether it affects handling or not?
>
> Earle
>
> "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Sno,
>>
>> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when it
>> comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if someone is
>> looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works great.
>> Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that you can
>> afford.
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>> "SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
>> news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
>>> <----------@***.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> if want to see eyes light up
>>>> as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker:
>>>
>>> This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that and
>>> try to drive and manuver it.
>>> -----------------
>>> TheSnoMan.com
>>
>
>
04-09-2007, 01:06 PM
#52
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: YJ front locker?
If I have my front hubs locked in my CJ7, it turns the driveshaft and
makes the steering feel 'slightly heavier' when in 2 wheel drive.
In my case I have an open diff so I would only be spinning one axle side
and the driveshaft which should feel 'exactly' the same as a YJ locked
with the axle disconnected in the middle which would only spin one axle
side and the driveshaft when in 2 wheel drive.
At least the YJ owner wouldn't have to get out to lock her up, just pull
the shifter which turns on the 'stock' vacuum motor which locks it up.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Earle Horton wrote:
> No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the YJ's
> solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or does it
> continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to venture
> whether it affects handling or not?
>
> Earle
>
> "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Sno,
>>
>> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when it
>> comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if someone is
>> looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works great.
>> Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that you can
>> afford.
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>> "SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
>> news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
>>> <----------@***.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> if want to see eyes light up
>>>> as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker:
>>>
>>> This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that and
>>> try to drive and manuver it.
>>> -----------------
>>> TheSnoMan.com
>>
>
>
makes the steering feel 'slightly heavier' when in 2 wheel drive.
In my case I have an open diff so I would only be spinning one axle side
and the driveshaft which should feel 'exactly' the same as a YJ locked
with the axle disconnected in the middle which would only spin one axle
side and the driveshaft when in 2 wheel drive.
At least the YJ owner wouldn't have to get out to lock her up, just pull
the shifter which turns on the 'stock' vacuum motor which locks it up.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Earle Horton wrote:
> No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the YJ's
> solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or does it
> continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to venture
> whether it affects handling or not?
>
> Earle
>
> "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Sno,
>>
>> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when it
>> comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if someone is
>> looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works great.
>> Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that you can
>> afford.
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>> "SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
>> news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
>>> <----------@***.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> if want to see eyes light up
>>>> as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker:
>>>
>>> This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that and
>>> try to drive and manuver it.
>>> -----------------
>>> TheSnoMan.com
>>
>
>
04-09-2007, 04:35 PM
#53
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Posts: n/a
Re: YJ front locker?
The background: A CJ with the hubs unlocked will have no torque
transmitted to the drivetrain. A TJ has no unlocking hub so it
continuously drives the front driveshaft with both wheels contributing
to the drive. Makes the wheel feel 'heavy', gives it a slight understeer.
The YJ is a strange compromise: when in 2wd, the right outer shaft is
unlocked so the right wheel has no drivetrain drag (except the outer
U-joint if you are turning). The left side is driving the left spider
gear, the two spider idlers, and the right spider at full speed in
reverse. As long as the spider running freely, there is not enough
torque to reverse load the ring and spin the pinion/front drive shaft.
The result is that there is a minor but constant drag on the left that
is not matched on the right side. It will 'pull' to the left. Given the
kluges in the YJ front suspension, it would be hard to notice the minor
pull.
Adding a locker of any type (lunchbox, gear drive, LSD) will make the
ring gear, pinion, and front driveshaft spin at all times. That should
be sufficient to give you a slight but noticeable pull to the left at
highway speed. A high ratio axle (4:11 or 4.56) will make the effect worse.
Earle Horton wrote:
> No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the YJ's
> solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or does it
> continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to venture
> whether it affects handling or not?
>
> Earle
>
> "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
>>Sno,
>>
>> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when it
>>comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if someone is
>>looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works great.
>>Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that you can
>>afford.
>>
>>Carl
>>
>>
>>"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
>>news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.com. ..
>>
>>>On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
>>><----------@***.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>if want to see eyes light up
>>>>as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker:
>>>
>>>
>>>This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that and
>>>try to drive and manuver it.
>>>-----------------
>>>TheSnoMan.com
>>
>>
>
>
transmitted to the drivetrain. A TJ has no unlocking hub so it
continuously drives the front driveshaft with both wheels contributing
to the drive. Makes the wheel feel 'heavy', gives it a slight understeer.
The YJ is a strange compromise: when in 2wd, the right outer shaft is
unlocked so the right wheel has no drivetrain drag (except the outer
U-joint if you are turning). The left side is driving the left spider
gear, the two spider idlers, and the right spider at full speed in
reverse. As long as the spider running freely, there is not enough
torque to reverse load the ring and spin the pinion/front drive shaft.
The result is that there is a minor but constant drag on the left that
is not matched on the right side. It will 'pull' to the left. Given the
kluges in the YJ front suspension, it would be hard to notice the minor
pull.
Adding a locker of any type (lunchbox, gear drive, LSD) will make the
ring gear, pinion, and front driveshaft spin at all times. That should
be sufficient to give you a slight but noticeable pull to the left at
highway speed. A high ratio axle (4:11 or 4.56) will make the effect worse.
Earle Horton wrote:
> No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the YJ's
> solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or does it
> continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to venture
> whether it affects handling or not?
>
> Earle
>
> "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
>>Sno,
>>
>> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when it
>>comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if someone is
>>looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works great.
>>Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that you can
>>afford.
>>
>>Carl
>>
>>
>>"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
>>news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.com. ..
>>
>>>On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
>>><----------@***.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>if want to see eyes light up
>>>>as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker:
>>>
>>>
>>>This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that and
>>>try to drive and manuver it.
>>>-----------------
>>>TheSnoMan.com
>>
>>
>
>
04-09-2007, 04:35 PM
#54
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: YJ front locker?
The background: A CJ with the hubs unlocked will have no torque
transmitted to the drivetrain. A TJ has no unlocking hub so it
continuously drives the front driveshaft with both wheels contributing
to the drive. Makes the wheel feel 'heavy', gives it a slight understeer.
The YJ is a strange compromise: when in 2wd, the right outer shaft is
unlocked so the right wheel has no drivetrain drag (except the outer
U-joint if you are turning). The left side is driving the left spider
gear, the two spider idlers, and the right spider at full speed in
reverse. As long as the spider running freely, there is not enough
torque to reverse load the ring and spin the pinion/front drive shaft.
The result is that there is a minor but constant drag on the left that
is not matched on the right side. It will 'pull' to the left. Given the
kluges in the YJ front suspension, it would be hard to notice the minor
pull.
Adding a locker of any type (lunchbox, gear drive, LSD) will make the
ring gear, pinion, and front driveshaft spin at all times. That should
be sufficient to give you a slight but noticeable pull to the left at
highway speed. A high ratio axle (4:11 or 4.56) will make the effect worse.
Earle Horton wrote:
> No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the YJ's
> solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or does it
> continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to venture
> whether it affects handling or not?
>
> Earle
>
> "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
>>Sno,
>>
>> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when it
>>comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if someone is
>>looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works great.
>>Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that you can
>>afford.
>>
>>Carl
>>
>>
>>"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
>>news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.com. ..
>>
>>>On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
>>><----------@***.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>if want to see eyes light up
>>>>as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker:
>>>
>>>
>>>This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that and
>>>try to drive and manuver it.
>>>-----------------
>>>TheSnoMan.com
>>
>>
>
>
transmitted to the drivetrain. A TJ has no unlocking hub so it
continuously drives the front driveshaft with both wheels contributing
to the drive. Makes the wheel feel 'heavy', gives it a slight understeer.
The YJ is a strange compromise: when in 2wd, the right outer shaft is
unlocked so the right wheel has no drivetrain drag (except the outer
U-joint if you are turning). The left side is driving the left spider
gear, the two spider idlers, and the right spider at full speed in
reverse. As long as the spider running freely, there is not enough
torque to reverse load the ring and spin the pinion/front drive shaft.
The result is that there is a minor but constant drag on the left that
is not matched on the right side. It will 'pull' to the left. Given the
kluges in the YJ front suspension, it would be hard to notice the minor
pull.
Adding a locker of any type (lunchbox, gear drive, LSD) will make the
ring gear, pinion, and front driveshaft spin at all times. That should
be sufficient to give you a slight but noticeable pull to the left at
highway speed. A high ratio axle (4:11 or 4.56) will make the effect worse.
Earle Horton wrote:
> No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the YJ's
> solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or does it
> continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to venture
> whether it affects handling or not?
>
> Earle
>
> "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
>>Sno,
>>
>> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when it
>>comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if someone is
>>looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works great.
>>Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that you can
>>afford.
>>
>>Carl
>>
>>
>>"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
>>news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.com. ..
>>
>>>On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
>>><----------@***.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>if want to see eyes light up
>>>>as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker:
>>>
>>>
>>>This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that and
>>>try to drive and manuver it.
>>>-----------------
>>>TheSnoMan.com
>>
>>
>
>
04-09-2007, 04:35 PM
#55
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: YJ front locker?
The background: A CJ with the hubs unlocked will have no torque
transmitted to the drivetrain. A TJ has no unlocking hub so it
continuously drives the front driveshaft with both wheels contributing
to the drive. Makes the wheel feel 'heavy', gives it a slight understeer.
The YJ is a strange compromise: when in 2wd, the right outer shaft is
unlocked so the right wheel has no drivetrain drag (except the outer
U-joint if you are turning). The left side is driving the left spider
gear, the two spider idlers, and the right spider at full speed in
reverse. As long as the spider running freely, there is not enough
torque to reverse load the ring and spin the pinion/front drive shaft.
The result is that there is a minor but constant drag on the left that
is not matched on the right side. It will 'pull' to the left. Given the
kluges in the YJ front suspension, it would be hard to notice the minor
pull.
Adding a locker of any type (lunchbox, gear drive, LSD) will make the
ring gear, pinion, and front driveshaft spin at all times. That should
be sufficient to give you a slight but noticeable pull to the left at
highway speed. A high ratio axle (4:11 or 4.56) will make the effect worse.
Earle Horton wrote:
> No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the YJ's
> solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or does it
> continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to venture
> whether it affects handling or not?
>
> Earle
>
> "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
>>Sno,
>>
>> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when it
>>comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if someone is
>>looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works great.
>>Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that you can
>>afford.
>>
>>Carl
>>
>>
>>"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
>>news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.com. ..
>>
>>>On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
>>><----------@***.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>if want to see eyes light up
>>>>as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker:
>>>
>>>
>>>This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that and
>>>try to drive and manuver it.
>>>-----------------
>>>TheSnoMan.com
>>
>>
>
>
transmitted to the drivetrain. A TJ has no unlocking hub so it
continuously drives the front driveshaft with both wheels contributing
to the drive. Makes the wheel feel 'heavy', gives it a slight understeer.
The YJ is a strange compromise: when in 2wd, the right outer shaft is
unlocked so the right wheel has no drivetrain drag (except the outer
U-joint if you are turning). The left side is driving the left spider
gear, the two spider idlers, and the right spider at full speed in
reverse. As long as the spider running freely, there is not enough
torque to reverse load the ring and spin the pinion/front drive shaft.
The result is that there is a minor but constant drag on the left that
is not matched on the right side. It will 'pull' to the left. Given the
kluges in the YJ front suspension, it would be hard to notice the minor
pull.
Adding a locker of any type (lunchbox, gear drive, LSD) will make the
ring gear, pinion, and front driveshaft spin at all times. That should
be sufficient to give you a slight but noticeable pull to the left at
highway speed. A high ratio axle (4:11 or 4.56) will make the effect worse.
Earle Horton wrote:
> No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the YJ's
> solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or does it
> continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to venture
> whether it affects handling or not?
>
> Earle
>
> "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
>>Sno,
>>
>> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when it
>>comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if someone is
>>looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works great.
>>Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that you can
>>afford.
>>
>>Carl
>>
>>
>>"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
>>news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.com. ..
>>
>>>On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
>>><----------@***.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>if want to see eyes light up
>>>>as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker:
>>>
>>>
>>>This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that and
>>>try to drive and manuver it.
>>>-----------------
>>>TheSnoMan.com
>>
>>
>
>
04-09-2007, 07:02 PM
#56
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: YJ front locker?
She has 4.88s, but doesn't go on highways, two ferries to get out of here,
40 miles from one end to other of town, so highway is not much of a concern.
"RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
news:gsxSh.21156$tD2.7679@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
> The background: A CJ with the hubs unlocked will have no torque
> transmitted to the drivetrain. A TJ has no unlocking hub so it
> continuously drives the front driveshaft with both wheels contributing to
> the drive. Makes the wheel feel 'heavy', gives it a slight understeer.
>
> The YJ is a strange compromise: when in 2wd, the right outer shaft is
> unlocked so the right wheel has no drivetrain drag (except the outer
> U-joint if you are turning). The left side is driving the left spider
> gear, the two spider idlers, and the right spider at full speed in
> reverse. As long as the spider running freely, there is not enough torque
> to reverse load the ring and spin the pinion/front drive shaft. The result
> is that there is a minor but constant drag on the left that is not matched
> on the right side. It will 'pull' to the left. Given the kluges in the YJ
> front suspension, it would be hard to notice the minor pull.
>
> Adding a locker of any type (lunchbox, gear drive, LSD) will make the ring
> gear, pinion, and front driveshaft spin at all times. That should be
> sufficient to give you a slight but noticeable pull to the left at highway
> speed. A high ratio axle (4:11 or 4.56) will make the effect worse.
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
>> No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the YJ's
>> solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or does it
>> continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to
>> venture
>> whether it affects handling or not?
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>
>>>Sno,
>>>
>>> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when it
>>>comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if someone
>>>is
>>>looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works great.
>>>Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that you can
>>>afford.
>>>
>>>Carl
>>>
>>>
>>>"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
>>>news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.com ...
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
>>>><----------@***.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>if want to see eyes light up
>>>>>as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that and
>>>>try to drive and manuver it.
>>>>-----------------
>>>>TheSnoMan.com
>>>
>>>
>>
40 miles from one end to other of town, so highway is not much of a concern.
"RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
news:gsxSh.21156$tD2.7679@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
> The background: A CJ with the hubs unlocked will have no torque
> transmitted to the drivetrain. A TJ has no unlocking hub so it
> continuously drives the front driveshaft with both wheels contributing to
> the drive. Makes the wheel feel 'heavy', gives it a slight understeer.
>
> The YJ is a strange compromise: when in 2wd, the right outer shaft is
> unlocked so the right wheel has no drivetrain drag (except the outer
> U-joint if you are turning). The left side is driving the left spider
> gear, the two spider idlers, and the right spider at full speed in
> reverse. As long as the spider running freely, there is not enough torque
> to reverse load the ring and spin the pinion/front drive shaft. The result
> is that there is a minor but constant drag on the left that is not matched
> on the right side. It will 'pull' to the left. Given the kluges in the YJ
> front suspension, it would be hard to notice the minor pull.
>
> Adding a locker of any type (lunchbox, gear drive, LSD) will make the ring
> gear, pinion, and front driveshaft spin at all times. That should be
> sufficient to give you a slight but noticeable pull to the left at highway
> speed. A high ratio axle (4:11 or 4.56) will make the effect worse.
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
>> No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the YJ's
>> solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or does it
>> continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to
>> venture
>> whether it affects handling or not?
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>
>>>Sno,
>>>
>>> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when it
>>>comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if someone
>>>is
>>>looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works great.
>>>Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that you can
>>>afford.
>>>
>>>Carl
>>>
>>>
>>>"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
>>>news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.com ...
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
>>>><----------@***.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>if want to see eyes light up
>>>>>as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that and
>>>>try to drive and manuver it.
>>>>-----------------
>>>>TheSnoMan.com
>>>
>>>
>>
04-09-2007, 07:02 PM
#57
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: YJ front locker?
She has 4.88s, but doesn't go on highways, two ferries to get out of here,
40 miles from one end to other of town, so highway is not much of a concern.
"RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
news:gsxSh.21156$tD2.7679@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
> The background: A CJ with the hubs unlocked will have no torque
> transmitted to the drivetrain. A TJ has no unlocking hub so it
> continuously drives the front driveshaft with both wheels contributing to
> the drive. Makes the wheel feel 'heavy', gives it a slight understeer.
>
> The YJ is a strange compromise: when in 2wd, the right outer shaft is
> unlocked so the right wheel has no drivetrain drag (except the outer
> U-joint if you are turning). The left side is driving the left spider
> gear, the two spider idlers, and the right spider at full speed in
> reverse. As long as the spider running freely, there is not enough torque
> to reverse load the ring and spin the pinion/front drive shaft. The result
> is that there is a minor but constant drag on the left that is not matched
> on the right side. It will 'pull' to the left. Given the kluges in the YJ
> front suspension, it would be hard to notice the minor pull.
>
> Adding a locker of any type (lunchbox, gear drive, LSD) will make the ring
> gear, pinion, and front driveshaft spin at all times. That should be
> sufficient to give you a slight but noticeable pull to the left at highway
> speed. A high ratio axle (4:11 or 4.56) will make the effect worse.
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
>> No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the YJ's
>> solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or does it
>> continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to
>> venture
>> whether it affects handling or not?
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>
>>>Sno,
>>>
>>> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when it
>>>comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if someone
>>>is
>>>looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works great.
>>>Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that you can
>>>afford.
>>>
>>>Carl
>>>
>>>
>>>"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
>>>news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.com ...
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
>>>><----------@***.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>if want to see eyes light up
>>>>>as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that and
>>>>try to drive and manuver it.
>>>>-----------------
>>>>TheSnoMan.com
>>>
>>>
>>
40 miles from one end to other of town, so highway is not much of a concern.
"RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
news:gsxSh.21156$tD2.7679@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
> The background: A CJ with the hubs unlocked will have no torque
> transmitted to the drivetrain. A TJ has no unlocking hub so it
> continuously drives the front driveshaft with both wheels contributing to
> the drive. Makes the wheel feel 'heavy', gives it a slight understeer.
>
> The YJ is a strange compromise: when in 2wd, the right outer shaft is
> unlocked so the right wheel has no drivetrain drag (except the outer
> U-joint if you are turning). The left side is driving the left spider
> gear, the two spider idlers, and the right spider at full speed in
> reverse. As long as the spider running freely, there is not enough torque
> to reverse load the ring and spin the pinion/front drive shaft. The result
> is that there is a minor but constant drag on the left that is not matched
> on the right side. It will 'pull' to the left. Given the kluges in the YJ
> front suspension, it would be hard to notice the minor pull.
>
> Adding a locker of any type (lunchbox, gear drive, LSD) will make the ring
> gear, pinion, and front driveshaft spin at all times. That should be
> sufficient to give you a slight but noticeable pull to the left at highway
> speed. A high ratio axle (4:11 or 4.56) will make the effect worse.
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
>> No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the YJ's
>> solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or does it
>> continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to
>> venture
>> whether it affects handling or not?
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>
>>>Sno,
>>>
>>> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when it
>>>comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if someone
>>>is
>>>looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works great.
>>>Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that you can
>>>afford.
>>>
>>>Carl
>>>
>>>
>>>"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
>>>news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.com ...
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
>>>><----------@***.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>if want to see eyes light up
>>>>>as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that and
>>>>try to drive and manuver it.
>>>>-----------------
>>>>TheSnoMan.com
>>>
>>>
>>
04-09-2007, 07:02 PM
#58
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: YJ front locker?
She has 4.88s, but doesn't go on highways, two ferries to get out of here,
40 miles from one end to other of town, so highway is not much of a concern.
"RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
news:gsxSh.21156$tD2.7679@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
> The background: A CJ with the hubs unlocked will have no torque
> transmitted to the drivetrain. A TJ has no unlocking hub so it
> continuously drives the front driveshaft with both wheels contributing to
> the drive. Makes the wheel feel 'heavy', gives it a slight understeer.
>
> The YJ is a strange compromise: when in 2wd, the right outer shaft is
> unlocked so the right wheel has no drivetrain drag (except the outer
> U-joint if you are turning). The left side is driving the left spider
> gear, the two spider idlers, and the right spider at full speed in
> reverse. As long as the spider running freely, there is not enough torque
> to reverse load the ring and spin the pinion/front drive shaft. The result
> is that there is a minor but constant drag on the left that is not matched
> on the right side. It will 'pull' to the left. Given the kluges in the YJ
> front suspension, it would be hard to notice the minor pull.
>
> Adding a locker of any type (lunchbox, gear drive, LSD) will make the ring
> gear, pinion, and front driveshaft spin at all times. That should be
> sufficient to give you a slight but noticeable pull to the left at highway
> speed. A high ratio axle (4:11 or 4.56) will make the effect worse.
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
>> No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the YJ's
>> solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or does it
>> continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to
>> venture
>> whether it affects handling or not?
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>
>>>Sno,
>>>
>>> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when it
>>>comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if someone
>>>is
>>>looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works great.
>>>Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that you can
>>>afford.
>>>
>>>Carl
>>>
>>>
>>>"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
>>>news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.com ...
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
>>>><----------@***.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>if want to see eyes light up
>>>>>as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that and
>>>>try to drive and manuver it.
>>>>-----------------
>>>>TheSnoMan.com
>>>
>>>
>>
40 miles from one end to other of town, so highway is not much of a concern.
"RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
news:gsxSh.21156$tD2.7679@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
> The background: A CJ with the hubs unlocked will have no torque
> transmitted to the drivetrain. A TJ has no unlocking hub so it
> continuously drives the front driveshaft with both wheels contributing to
> the drive. Makes the wheel feel 'heavy', gives it a slight understeer.
>
> The YJ is a strange compromise: when in 2wd, the right outer shaft is
> unlocked so the right wheel has no drivetrain drag (except the outer
> U-joint if you are turning). The left side is driving the left spider
> gear, the two spider idlers, and the right spider at full speed in
> reverse. As long as the spider running freely, there is not enough torque
> to reverse load the ring and spin the pinion/front drive shaft. The result
> is that there is a minor but constant drag on the left that is not matched
> on the right side. It will 'pull' to the left. Given the kluges in the YJ
> front suspension, it would be hard to notice the minor pull.
>
> Adding a locker of any type (lunchbox, gear drive, LSD) will make the ring
> gear, pinion, and front driveshaft spin at all times. That should be
> sufficient to give you a slight but noticeable pull to the left at highway
> speed. A high ratio axle (4:11 or 4.56) will make the effect worse.
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
>> No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the YJ's
>> solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or does it
>> continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to
>> venture
>> whether it affects handling or not?
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>
>>>Sno,
>>>
>>> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when it
>>>comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if someone
>>>is
>>>looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works great.
>>>Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that you can
>>>afford.
>>>
>>>Carl
>>>
>>>
>>>"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
>>>news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.com ...
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
>>>><----------@***.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>if want to see eyes light up
>>>>>as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that and
>>>>try to drive and manuver it.
>>>>-----------------
>>>>TheSnoMan.com
>>>
>>>
>>
04-09-2007, 07:07 PM
#59
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: YJ front locker?
She will be pleased with a lunchbox up front. If corning on trails becomes
an issue, consider a 2-LO conversion kit for said turns.
Carl
"Greg" <greglc84@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:JBzSh.48720$DE1.20300@pd7urf2no...
> She has 4.88s, but doesn't go on highways, two ferries to get out of
> here, 40 miles from one end to other of town, so highway is not much of a
> concern.
>
> "RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
> news:gsxSh.21156$tD2.7679@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
>> The background: A CJ with the hubs unlocked will have no torque
>> transmitted to the drivetrain. A TJ has no unlocking hub so it
>> continuously drives the front driveshaft with both wheels contributing to
>> the drive. Makes the wheel feel 'heavy', gives it a slight understeer.
>>
>> The YJ is a strange compromise: when in 2wd, the right outer shaft is
>> unlocked so the right wheel has no drivetrain drag (except the outer
>> U-joint if you are turning). The left side is driving the left spider
>> gear, the two spider idlers, and the right spider at full speed in
>> reverse. As long as the spider running freely, there is not enough torque
>> to reverse load the ring and spin the pinion/front drive shaft. The
>> result is that there is a minor but constant drag on the left that is not
>> matched on the right side. It will 'pull' to the left. Given the kluges
>> in the YJ front suspension, it would be hard to notice the minor pull.
>>
>> Adding a locker of any type (lunchbox, gear drive, LSD) will make the
>> ring gear, pinion, and front driveshaft spin at all times. That should be
>> sufficient to give you a slight but noticeable pull to the left at
>> highway speed. A high ratio axle (4:11 or 4.56) will make the effect
>> worse.
>>
>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>>> No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the YJ's
>>> solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or does it
>>> continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to
>>> venture
>>> whether it affects handling or not?
>>>
>>> Earle
>>>
>>> "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>
>>>>Sno,
>>>>
>>>> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when it
>>>>comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if someone
>>>>is
>>>>looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works great.
>>>>Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that you
>>>>can
>>>>afford.
>>>>
>>>>Carl
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.co m...
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
>>>>><----------@***.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>if want to see eyes light up
>>>>>>as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that and
>>>>>try to drive and manuver it.
>>>>>-----------------
>>>>>TheSnoMan.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
an issue, consider a 2-LO conversion kit for said turns.
Carl
"Greg" <greglc84@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:JBzSh.48720$DE1.20300@pd7urf2no...
> She has 4.88s, but doesn't go on highways, two ferries to get out of
> here, 40 miles from one end to other of town, so highway is not much of a
> concern.
>
> "RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
> news:gsxSh.21156$tD2.7679@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
>> The background: A CJ with the hubs unlocked will have no torque
>> transmitted to the drivetrain. A TJ has no unlocking hub so it
>> continuously drives the front driveshaft with both wheels contributing to
>> the drive. Makes the wheel feel 'heavy', gives it a slight understeer.
>>
>> The YJ is a strange compromise: when in 2wd, the right outer shaft is
>> unlocked so the right wheel has no drivetrain drag (except the outer
>> U-joint if you are turning). The left side is driving the left spider
>> gear, the two spider idlers, and the right spider at full speed in
>> reverse. As long as the spider running freely, there is not enough torque
>> to reverse load the ring and spin the pinion/front drive shaft. The
>> result is that there is a minor but constant drag on the left that is not
>> matched on the right side. It will 'pull' to the left. Given the kluges
>> in the YJ front suspension, it would be hard to notice the minor pull.
>>
>> Adding a locker of any type (lunchbox, gear drive, LSD) will make the
>> ring gear, pinion, and front driveshaft spin at all times. That should be
>> sufficient to give you a slight but noticeable pull to the left at
>> highway speed. A high ratio axle (4:11 or 4.56) will make the effect
>> worse.
>>
>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>>> No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the YJ's
>>> solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or does it
>>> continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to
>>> venture
>>> whether it affects handling or not?
>>>
>>> Earle
>>>
>>> "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>
>>>>Sno,
>>>>
>>>> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when it
>>>>comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if someone
>>>>is
>>>>looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works great.
>>>>Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that you
>>>>can
>>>>afford.
>>>>
>>>>Carl
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.co m...
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
>>>>><----------@***.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>if want to see eyes light up
>>>>>>as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that and
>>>>>try to drive and manuver it.
>>>>>-----------------
>>>>>TheSnoMan.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
04-09-2007, 07:07 PM
#60
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: YJ front locker?
She will be pleased with a lunchbox up front. If corning on trails becomes
an issue, consider a 2-LO conversion kit for said turns.
Carl
"Greg" <greglc84@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:JBzSh.48720$DE1.20300@pd7urf2no...
> She has 4.88s, but doesn't go on highways, two ferries to get out of
> here, 40 miles from one end to other of town, so highway is not much of a
> concern.
>
> "RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
> news:gsxSh.21156$tD2.7679@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
>> The background: A CJ with the hubs unlocked will have no torque
>> transmitted to the drivetrain. A TJ has no unlocking hub so it
>> continuously drives the front driveshaft with both wheels contributing to
>> the drive. Makes the wheel feel 'heavy', gives it a slight understeer.
>>
>> The YJ is a strange compromise: when in 2wd, the right outer shaft is
>> unlocked so the right wheel has no drivetrain drag (except the outer
>> U-joint if you are turning). The left side is driving the left spider
>> gear, the two spider idlers, and the right spider at full speed in
>> reverse. As long as the spider running freely, there is not enough torque
>> to reverse load the ring and spin the pinion/front drive shaft. The
>> result is that there is a minor but constant drag on the left that is not
>> matched on the right side. It will 'pull' to the left. Given the kluges
>> in the YJ front suspension, it would be hard to notice the minor pull.
>>
>> Adding a locker of any type (lunchbox, gear drive, LSD) will make the
>> ring gear, pinion, and front driveshaft spin at all times. That should be
>> sufficient to give you a slight but noticeable pull to the left at
>> highway speed. A high ratio axle (4:11 or 4.56) will make the effect
>> worse.
>>
>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>>> No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the YJ's
>>> solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or does it
>>> continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to
>>> venture
>>> whether it affects handling or not?
>>>
>>> Earle
>>>
>>> "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>
>>>>Sno,
>>>>
>>>> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when it
>>>>comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if someone
>>>>is
>>>>looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works great.
>>>>Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that you
>>>>can
>>>>afford.
>>>>
>>>>Carl
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.co m...
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
>>>>><----------@***.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>if want to see eyes light up
>>>>>>as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that and
>>>>>try to drive and manuver it.
>>>>>-----------------
>>>>>TheSnoMan.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
an issue, consider a 2-LO conversion kit for said turns.
Carl
"Greg" <greglc84@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:JBzSh.48720$DE1.20300@pd7urf2no...
> She has 4.88s, but doesn't go on highways, two ferries to get out of
> here, 40 miles from one end to other of town, so highway is not much of a
> concern.
>
> "RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
> news:gsxSh.21156$tD2.7679@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
>> The background: A CJ with the hubs unlocked will have no torque
>> transmitted to the drivetrain. A TJ has no unlocking hub so it
>> continuously drives the front driveshaft with both wheels contributing to
>> the drive. Makes the wheel feel 'heavy', gives it a slight understeer.
>>
>> The YJ is a strange compromise: when in 2wd, the right outer shaft is
>> unlocked so the right wheel has no drivetrain drag (except the outer
>> U-joint if you are turning). The left side is driving the left spider
>> gear, the two spider idlers, and the right spider at full speed in
>> reverse. As long as the spider running freely, there is not enough torque
>> to reverse load the ring and spin the pinion/front drive shaft. The
>> result is that there is a minor but constant drag on the left that is not
>> matched on the right side. It will 'pull' to the left. Given the kluges
>> in the YJ front suspension, it would be hard to notice the minor pull.
>>
>> Adding a locker of any type (lunchbox, gear drive, LSD) will make the
>> ring gear, pinion, and front driveshaft spin at all times. That should be
>> sufficient to give you a slight but noticeable pull to the left at
>> highway speed. A high ratio axle (4:11 or 4.56) will make the effect
>> worse.
>>
>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>>> No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the YJ's
>>> solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or does it
>>> continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to
>>> venture
>>> whether it affects handling or not?
>>>
>>> Earle
>>>
>>> "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>
>>>>Sno,
>>>>
>>>> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when it
>>>>comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if someone
>>>>is
>>>>looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works great.
>>>>Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that you
>>>>can
>>>>afford.
>>>>
>>>>Carl
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.co m...
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
>>>>><----------@***.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>if want to see eyes light up
>>>>>>as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that and
>>>>>try to drive and manuver it.
>>>>>-----------------
>>>>>TheSnoMan.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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