Ya ready for diesel yet?
09-07-2005, 12:17 AM
#121
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Re: Ya ready for diesel yet?
Now you're comparing apples to oranges. A supercharged gasoline engine
converted to alcohol will still require 2 to 2.2 times the fuel as it did
when running on gasoline. If you take a normally aspirated gasoline engine,
convert it to alcohol AND supercharge it, then maybe it will require 4 times
the fuel. You take any engine properly tuned for gasoline and double the
diameter of the fuel metering orifices, and you will have an engine that
runs VERY rich, if at all.
Chris
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:431E5B35.2EA6955A@***.net...
> My hot rod days were alcohol and compressed air via a Jimmy 671.
> More air more fuel.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> c wrote:
> >
> > It's basic, but the numbers are not quite right. Alcohol requires
between 2
> > and 2.2 times the fuel as gasoline, and when enlarging the jets and
other
> > fuel orifices, you need to double the area, not the diameter or you will
> > have an engine that runs extremely rich.
> >
> > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_...drane.html#ch6
> >
> > Chris
converted to alcohol will still require 2 to 2.2 times the fuel as it did
when running on gasoline. If you take a normally aspirated gasoline engine,
convert it to alcohol AND supercharge it, then maybe it will require 4 times
the fuel. You take any engine properly tuned for gasoline and double the
diameter of the fuel metering orifices, and you will have an engine that
runs VERY rich, if at all.
Chris
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:431E5B35.2EA6955A@***.net...
> My hot rod days were alcohol and compressed air via a Jimmy 671.
> More air more fuel.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> c wrote:
> >
> > It's basic, but the numbers are not quite right. Alcohol requires
between 2
> > and 2.2 times the fuel as gasoline, and when enlarging the jets and
other
> > fuel orifices, you need to double the area, not the diameter or you will
> > have an engine that runs extremely rich.
> >
> > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_...drane.html#ch6
> >
> > Chris
09-07-2005, 12:48 AM
#122
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Re: Ya ready for diesel yet?
The post you answered, I wrote I was a "hot rodder". And that was
to get more energy out of alcohol than I could get ordinarily out of
supercharged gas. You brought the oranges into this.
You do know what the water in that alcohol will do to your engine
you plan to drive on the street, right?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
c wrote:
>
> Now you're comparing apples to oranges. A supercharged gasoline engine
> converted to alcohol will still require 2 to 2.2 times the fuel as it did
> when running on gasoline. If you take a normally aspirated gasoline engine,
> convert it to alcohol AND supercharge it, then maybe it will require 4 times
> the fuel. You take any engine properly tuned for gasoline and double the
> diameter of the fuel metering orifices, and you will have an engine that
> runs VERY rich, if at all.
>
> Chris
to get more energy out of alcohol than I could get ordinarily out of
supercharged gas. You brought the oranges into this.
You do know what the water in that alcohol will do to your engine
you plan to drive on the street, right?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
c wrote:
>
> Now you're comparing apples to oranges. A supercharged gasoline engine
> converted to alcohol will still require 2 to 2.2 times the fuel as it did
> when running on gasoline. If you take a normally aspirated gasoline engine,
> convert it to alcohol AND supercharge it, then maybe it will require 4 times
> the fuel. You take any engine properly tuned for gasoline and double the
> diameter of the fuel metering orifices, and you will have an engine that
> runs VERY rich, if at all.
>
> Chris
09-07-2005, 12:48 AM
#123
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Re: Ya ready for diesel yet?
The post you answered, I wrote I was a "hot rodder". And that was
to get more energy out of alcohol than I could get ordinarily out of
supercharged gas. You brought the oranges into this.
You do know what the water in that alcohol will do to your engine
you plan to drive on the street, right?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
c wrote:
>
> Now you're comparing apples to oranges. A supercharged gasoline engine
> converted to alcohol will still require 2 to 2.2 times the fuel as it did
> when running on gasoline. If you take a normally aspirated gasoline engine,
> convert it to alcohol AND supercharge it, then maybe it will require 4 times
> the fuel. You take any engine properly tuned for gasoline and double the
> diameter of the fuel metering orifices, and you will have an engine that
> runs VERY rich, if at all.
>
> Chris
to get more energy out of alcohol than I could get ordinarily out of
supercharged gas. You brought the oranges into this.
You do know what the water in that alcohol will do to your engine
you plan to drive on the street, right?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
c wrote:
>
> Now you're comparing apples to oranges. A supercharged gasoline engine
> converted to alcohol will still require 2 to 2.2 times the fuel as it did
> when running on gasoline. If you take a normally aspirated gasoline engine,
> convert it to alcohol AND supercharge it, then maybe it will require 4 times
> the fuel. You take any engine properly tuned for gasoline and double the
> diameter of the fuel metering orifices, and you will have an engine that
> runs VERY rich, if at all.
>
> Chris
09-07-2005, 12:48 AM
#124
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Re: Ya ready for diesel yet?
The post you answered, I wrote I was a "hot rodder". And that was
to get more energy out of alcohol than I could get ordinarily out of
supercharged gas. You brought the oranges into this.
You do know what the water in that alcohol will do to your engine
you plan to drive on the street, right?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
c wrote:
>
> Now you're comparing apples to oranges. A supercharged gasoline engine
> converted to alcohol will still require 2 to 2.2 times the fuel as it did
> when running on gasoline. If you take a normally aspirated gasoline engine,
> convert it to alcohol AND supercharge it, then maybe it will require 4 times
> the fuel. You take any engine properly tuned for gasoline and double the
> diameter of the fuel metering orifices, and you will have an engine that
> runs VERY rich, if at all.
>
> Chris
to get more energy out of alcohol than I could get ordinarily out of
supercharged gas. You brought the oranges into this.
You do know what the water in that alcohol will do to your engine
you plan to drive on the street, right?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
c wrote:
>
> Now you're comparing apples to oranges. A supercharged gasoline engine
> converted to alcohol will still require 2 to 2.2 times the fuel as it did
> when running on gasoline. If you take a normally aspirated gasoline engine,
> convert it to alcohol AND supercharge it, then maybe it will require 4 times
> the fuel. You take any engine properly tuned for gasoline and double the
> diameter of the fuel metering orifices, and you will have an engine that
> runs VERY rich, if at all.
>
> Chris
09-07-2005, 12:48 AM
#125
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Re: Ya ready for diesel yet?
The post you answered, I wrote I was a "hot rodder". And that was
to get more energy out of alcohol than I could get ordinarily out of
supercharged gas. You brought the oranges into this.
You do know what the water in that alcohol will do to your engine
you plan to drive on the street, right?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
c wrote:
>
> Now you're comparing apples to oranges. A supercharged gasoline engine
> converted to alcohol will still require 2 to 2.2 times the fuel as it did
> when running on gasoline. If you take a normally aspirated gasoline engine,
> convert it to alcohol AND supercharge it, then maybe it will require 4 times
> the fuel. You take any engine properly tuned for gasoline and double the
> diameter of the fuel metering orifices, and you will have an engine that
> runs VERY rich, if at all.
>
> Chris
to get more energy out of alcohol than I could get ordinarily out of
supercharged gas. You brought the oranges into this.
You do know what the water in that alcohol will do to your engine
you plan to drive on the street, right?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
c wrote:
>
> Now you're comparing apples to oranges. A supercharged gasoline engine
> converted to alcohol will still require 2 to 2.2 times the fuel as it did
> when running on gasoline. If you take a normally aspirated gasoline engine,
> convert it to alcohol AND supercharge it, then maybe it will require 4 times
> the fuel. You take any engine properly tuned for gasoline and double the
> diameter of the fuel metering orifices, and you will have an engine that
> runs VERY rich, if at all.
>
> Chris
09-07-2005, 03:32 AM
#126
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Re: Ya ready for diesel yet?
On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 13:53:55 -0700, L.W.------ wrote:
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>
> 01 GW j/pi qevirfunsg, 4 vapu yvsg.
> That increase is because the diesel engine can use seventeen to one
> compression ratio. Making the initial costs and maintenance double that
> of a low compression gasoline engine. A factor of ten in a road tractor
> engines.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
>>
>> Get more mpg though. That's why it's popular in Europe. For offroading
>> its ideal as the torque advantage is large and they aren't affected by
>> water as badly.
>>
>> Dave Milne, Scotland
>> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> ynvagf-Gb: qzpn@pbzpnfg.arg
> K-ZFZnvy-Cevbevgl: Abezny
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>
> 01 GW j/pi qevirfunsg, 4 vapu yvsg.
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> Kers: cq7uh0ab erp.nhgbf.znxref.wrrc+jvyylf:74628
> ZVZR-Irefvba: 1.0
> Pbagrag-Glcr: grkg/cynva
>
> 01 GW j/pi qevirfunsg, 4 vapu yvsg.
> That increase is because the diesel engine can use seventeen to one
> compression ratio. Making the initial costs and maintenance double that
> of a low compression gasoline engine. A factor of ten in a road tractor
> engines.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
>>
>> Get more mpg though. That's why it's popular in Europe. For offroading
>> its ideal as the torque advantage is large and they aren't affected by
>> water as badly.
>>
>> Dave Milne, Scotland
>> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> ynvagf-Gb: qzpn@pbzpnfg.arg
> K-ZFZnvy-Cevbevgl: Abezny
> K-ZvzrBYR: Cebqhprq Ol Zvpebfbsg ZvzrBYR I6.00.2900.2180
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> Kers: cq7uh0ab erp.nhgbf.znxref.wrrc+jvyylf:74628
> ZVZR-Irefvba: 1.0
> Pbagrag-Glcr: grkg/cynva
>
> 01 GW j/pi qevirfunsg, 4 vapu yvsg.
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09-07-2005, 03:32 AM
#127
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Re: Ya ready for diesel yet?
On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 13:53:55 -0700, L.W.------ wrote:
> ynvagf-Gb: qzpn@pbzpnfg.arg
> K-ZFZnvy-Cevbevgl: Abezny
> K-ZvzrBYR: Cebqhprq Ol Zvpebfbsg ZvzrBYR I6.00.2900.2180
> K-Arjfernqre: Zvpebfbsg Bhgybbx Rkcerff 6.00.2900.2180
> K-Cbfgsvygre: 1.3.32
> K-Cevbevgl: 3
> K-ESP2646: Sbezng=Sybjrq; Bevtvany K-Erprvirq-Qngr:
> Fha, 04 Frc 2005 12:02:32 ZQG (cq7gj1ab) K-Genpr:
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> Kers: cq7uh0ab erp.nhgbf.znxref.wrrc+jvyylf:74628
> ZVZR-Irefvba: 1.0
> Pbagrag-Glcr: grkg/cynva
>
> 01 GW j/pi qevirfunsg, 4 vapu yvsg.
> That increase is because the diesel engine can use seventeen to one
> compression ratio. Making the initial costs and maintenance double that
> of a low compression gasoline engine. A factor of ten in a road tractor
> engines.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
>>
>> Get more mpg though. That's why it's popular in Europe. For offroading
>> its ideal as the torque advantage is large and they aren't affected by
>> water as badly.
>>
>> Dave Milne, Scotland
>> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> ynvagf-Gb: qzpn@pbzpnfg.arg
> K-ZFZnvy-Cevbevgl: Abezny
> K-ZvzrBYR: Cebqhprq Ol Zvpebfbsg ZvzrBYR I6.00.2900.2180
> K-Arjfernqre: Zvpebfbsg Bhgybbx Rkcerff 6.00.2900.2180
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> K-ESP2646: Sbezng=Sybjrq; Bevtvany
> K-Erprvirq-Qngr: Fha, 04 Frc 2005 12:02:32 ZQG (cq7gj1ab)
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> Kers: cq7uh0ab erp.nhgbf.znxref.wrrc+jvyylf:74628
> ZVZR-Irefvba: 1.0
> Pbagrag-Glcr: grkg/cynva
>
> 01 GW j/pi qevirfunsg, 4 vapu yvsg.
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> K-Arjfernqre: Zvpebfbsg Bhgybbx Rkcerff 6.00.2900.2180
> K-Cbfgsvygre: 1.3.32
> K-Cevbevgl: 3
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> Fha, 04 Frc 2005 12:02:32 ZQG (cq7gj1ab) K-Genpr:
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> Kers: cq7uh0ab erp.nhgbf.znxref.wrrc+jvyylf:74628
> ZVZR-Irefvba: 1.0
> Pbagrag-Glcr: grkg/cynva
>
> 01 GW j/pi qevirfunsg, 4 vapu yvsg.
> That increase is because the diesel engine can use seventeen to one
> compression ratio. Making the initial costs and maintenance double that
> of a low compression gasoline engine. A factor of ten in a road tractor
> engines.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
>>
>> Get more mpg though. That's why it's popular in Europe. For offroading
>> its ideal as the torque advantage is large and they aren't affected by
>> water as badly.
>>
>> Dave Milne, Scotland
>> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> ynvagf-Gb: qzpn@pbzpnfg.arg
> K-ZFZnvy-Cevbevgl: Abezny
> K-ZvzrBYR: Cebqhprq Ol Zvpebfbsg ZvzrBYR I6.00.2900.2180
> K-Arjfernqre: Zvpebfbsg Bhgybbx Rkcerff 6.00.2900.2180
> K-Cbfgsvygre: 1.3.32
> K-Cevbevgl: 3
> K-ESP2646: Sbezng=Sybjrq; Bevtvany
> K-Erprvirq-Qngr: Fha, 04 Frc 2005 12:02:32 ZQG (cq7gj1ab)
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> Kers: cq7uh0ab erp.nhgbf.znxref.wrrc+jvyylf:74628
> ZVZR-Irefvba: 1.0
> Pbagrag-Glcr: grkg/cynva
>
> 01 GW j/pi qevirfunsg, 4 vapu yvsg.
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09-07-2005, 03:32 AM
#128
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Re: Ya ready for diesel yet?
On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 13:53:55 -0700, L.W.------ wrote:
> ynvagf-Gb: qzpn@pbzpnfg.arg
> K-ZFZnvy-Cevbevgl: Abezny
> K-ZvzrBYR: Cebqhprq Ol Zvpebfbsg ZvzrBYR I6.00.2900.2180
> K-Arjfernqre: Zvpebfbsg Bhgybbx Rkcerff 6.00.2900.2180
> K-Cbfgsvygre: 1.3.32
> K-Cevbevgl: 3
> K-ESP2646: Sbezng=Sybjrq; Bevtvany K-Erprvirq-Qngr:
> Fha, 04 Frc 2005 12:02:32 ZQG (cq7gj1ab) K-Genpr:
> fi3-6cz9anLD261Xy6JD2NM1wOeiEpuD7581KNROt1joHM6LpSxW0h uU7JAeU8eZL4LigIjMvBfcNZEbcox!DIMzBIcvj0/LlbImR4KMF+b/pJW4nVtgOYHT4895Xkyxj5fFPhTttNGSCu/Fwbj/uiRS3NZ/UnJ2!0kb=
> Kers: cq7uh0ab erp.nhgbf.znxref.wrrc+jvyylf:74628
> ZVZR-Irefvba: 1.0
> Pbagrag-Glcr: grkg/cynva
>
> 01 GW j/pi qevirfunsg, 4 vapu yvsg.
> That increase is because the diesel engine can use seventeen to one
> compression ratio. Making the initial costs and maintenance double that
> of a low compression gasoline engine. A factor of ten in a road tractor
> engines.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
>>
>> Get more mpg though. That's why it's popular in Europe. For offroading
>> its ideal as the torque advantage is large and they aren't affected by
>> water as badly.
>>
>> Dave Milne, Scotland
>> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> ynvagf-Gb: qzpn@pbzpnfg.arg
> K-ZFZnvy-Cevbevgl: Abezny
> K-ZvzrBYR: Cebqhprq Ol Zvpebfbsg ZvzrBYR I6.00.2900.2180
> K-Arjfernqre: Zvpebfbsg Bhgybbx Rkcerff 6.00.2900.2180
> K-Cbfgsvygre: 1.3.32
> K-Cevbevgl: 3
> K-ESP2646: Sbezng=Sybjrq; Bevtvany
> K-Erprvirq-Qngr: Fha, 04 Frc 2005 12:02:32 ZQG (cq7gj1ab)
> K-Genpr: fi3-6cz9anLD261Xy6JD2NM1wOeiEpuD7581KNROt1joHM6LpSxW0h uU7JAeU8eZL4LigIjMvBfcNZEbcox!DIMzBIcvj0/LlbImR4KMF+b/pJW4nVtgOYHT4895Xkyxj5fFPhTttNGSCu/Fwbj/uiRS3NZ/UnJ2!0kb=
> Kers: cq7uh0ab erp.nhgbf.znxref.wrrc+jvyylf:74628
> ZVZR-Irefvba: 1.0
> Pbagrag-Glcr: grkg/cynva
>
> 01 GW j/pi qevirfunsg, 4 vapu yvsg.
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> K-ZvzrBYR: Cebqhprq Ol Zvpebfbsg ZvzrBYR I6.00.2900.2180
> K-Arjfernqre: Zvpebfbsg Bhgybbx Rkcerff 6.00.2900.2180
> K-Cbfgsvygre: 1.3.32
> K-Cevbevgl: 3
> K-ESP2646: Sbezng=Sybjrq; Bevtvany K-Erprvirq-Qngr:
> Fha, 04 Frc 2005 12:02:32 ZQG (cq7gj1ab) K-Genpr:
> fi3-6cz9anLD261Xy6JD2NM1wOeiEpuD7581KNROt1joHM6LpSxW0h uU7JAeU8eZL4LigIjMvBfcNZEbcox!DIMzBIcvj0/LlbImR4KMF+b/pJW4nVtgOYHT4895Xkyxj5fFPhTttNGSCu/Fwbj/uiRS3NZ/UnJ2!0kb=
> Kers: cq7uh0ab erp.nhgbf.znxref.wrrc+jvyylf:74628
> ZVZR-Irefvba: 1.0
> Pbagrag-Glcr: grkg/cynva
>
> 01 GW j/pi qevirfunsg, 4 vapu yvsg.
> That increase is because the diesel engine can use seventeen to one
> compression ratio. Making the initial costs and maintenance double that
> of a low compression gasoline engine. A factor of ten in a road tractor
> engines.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
>>
>> Get more mpg though. That's why it's popular in Europe. For offroading
>> its ideal as the torque advantage is large and they aren't affected by
>> water as badly.
>>
>> Dave Milne, Scotland
>> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> ynvagf-Gb: qzpn@pbzpnfg.arg
> K-ZFZnvy-Cevbevgl: Abezny
> K-ZvzrBYR: Cebqhprq Ol Zvpebfbsg ZvzrBYR I6.00.2900.2180
> K-Arjfernqre: Zvpebfbsg Bhgybbx Rkcerff 6.00.2900.2180
> K-Cbfgsvygre: 1.3.32
> K-Cevbevgl: 3
> K-ESP2646: Sbezng=Sybjrq; Bevtvany
> K-Erprvirq-Qngr: Fha, 04 Frc 2005 12:02:32 ZQG (cq7gj1ab)
> K-Genpr: fi3-6cz9anLD261Xy6JD2NM1wOeiEpuD7581KNROt1joHM6LpSxW0h uU7JAeU8eZL4LigIjMvBfcNZEbcox!DIMzBIcvj0/LlbImR4KMF+b/pJW4nVtgOYHT4895Xkyxj5fFPhTttNGSCu/Fwbj/uiRS3NZ/UnJ2!0kb=
> Kers: cq7uh0ab erp.nhgbf.znxref.wrrc+jvyylf:74628
> ZVZR-Irefvba: 1.0
> Pbagrag-Glcr: grkg/cynva
>
> 01 GW j/pi qevirfunsg, 4 vapu yvsg.
nnb
aadtr vcd
d
09-07-2005, 03:32 AM
#129
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Ya ready for diesel yet?
On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 13:53:55 -0700, L.W.------ wrote:
> ynvagf-Gb: qzpn@pbzpnfg.arg
> K-ZFZnvy-Cevbevgl: Abezny
> K-ZvzrBYR: Cebqhprq Ol Zvpebfbsg ZvzrBYR I6.00.2900.2180
> K-Arjfernqre: Zvpebfbsg Bhgybbx Rkcerff 6.00.2900.2180
> K-Cbfgsvygre: 1.3.32
> K-Cevbevgl: 3
> K-ESP2646: Sbezng=Sybjrq; Bevtvany K-Erprvirq-Qngr:
> Fha, 04 Frc 2005 12:02:32 ZQG (cq7gj1ab) K-Genpr:
> fi3-6cz9anLD261Xy6JD2NM1wOeiEpuD7581KNROt1joHM6LpSxW0h uU7JAeU8eZL4LigIjMvBfcNZEbcox!DIMzBIcvj0/LlbImR4KMF+b/pJW4nVtgOYHT4895Xkyxj5fFPhTttNGSCu/Fwbj/uiRS3NZ/UnJ2!0kb=
> Kers: cq7uh0ab erp.nhgbf.znxref.wrrc+jvyylf:74628
> ZVZR-Irefvba: 1.0
> Pbagrag-Glcr: grkg/cynva
>
> 01 GW j/pi qevirfunsg, 4 vapu yvsg.
> That increase is because the diesel engine can use seventeen to one
> compression ratio. Making the initial costs and maintenance double that
> of a low compression gasoline engine. A factor of ten in a road tractor
> engines.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
>>
>> Get more mpg though. That's why it's popular in Europe. For offroading
>> its ideal as the torque advantage is large and they aren't affected by
>> water as badly.
>>
>> Dave Milne, Scotland
>> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> ynvagf-Gb: qzpn@pbzpnfg.arg
> K-ZFZnvy-Cevbevgl: Abezny
> K-ZvzrBYR: Cebqhprq Ol Zvpebfbsg ZvzrBYR I6.00.2900.2180
> K-Arjfernqre: Zvpebfbsg Bhgybbx Rkcerff 6.00.2900.2180
> K-Cbfgsvygre: 1.3.32
> K-Cevbevgl: 3
> K-ESP2646: Sbezng=Sybjrq; Bevtvany
> K-Erprvirq-Qngr: Fha, 04 Frc 2005 12:02:32 ZQG (cq7gj1ab)
> K-Genpr: fi3-6cz9anLD261Xy6JD2NM1wOeiEpuD7581KNROt1joHM6LpSxW0h uU7JAeU8eZL4LigIjMvBfcNZEbcox!DIMzBIcvj0/LlbImR4KMF+b/pJW4nVtgOYHT4895Xkyxj5fFPhTttNGSCu/Fwbj/uiRS3NZ/UnJ2!0kb=
> Kers: cq7uh0ab erp.nhgbf.znxref.wrrc+jvyylf:74628
> ZVZR-Irefvba: 1.0
> Pbagrag-Glcr: grkg/cynva
>
> 01 GW j/pi qevirfunsg, 4 vapu yvsg.
nnb
aadtr vcd
d
> ynvagf-Gb: qzpn@pbzpnfg.arg
> K-ZFZnvy-Cevbevgl: Abezny
> K-ZvzrBYR: Cebqhprq Ol Zvpebfbsg ZvzrBYR I6.00.2900.2180
> K-Arjfernqre: Zvpebfbsg Bhgybbx Rkcerff 6.00.2900.2180
> K-Cbfgsvygre: 1.3.32
> K-Cevbevgl: 3
> K-ESP2646: Sbezng=Sybjrq; Bevtvany K-Erprvirq-Qngr:
> Fha, 04 Frc 2005 12:02:32 ZQG (cq7gj1ab) K-Genpr:
> fi3-6cz9anLD261Xy6JD2NM1wOeiEpuD7581KNROt1joHM6LpSxW0h uU7JAeU8eZL4LigIjMvBfcNZEbcox!DIMzBIcvj0/LlbImR4KMF+b/pJW4nVtgOYHT4895Xkyxj5fFPhTttNGSCu/Fwbj/uiRS3NZ/UnJ2!0kb=
> Kers: cq7uh0ab erp.nhgbf.znxref.wrrc+jvyylf:74628
> ZVZR-Irefvba: 1.0
> Pbagrag-Glcr: grkg/cynva
>
> 01 GW j/pi qevirfunsg, 4 vapu yvsg.
> That increase is because the diesel engine can use seventeen to one
> compression ratio. Making the initial costs and maintenance double that
> of a low compression gasoline engine. A factor of ten in a road tractor
> engines.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
>>
>> Get more mpg though. That's why it's popular in Europe. For offroading
>> its ideal as the torque advantage is large and they aren't affected by
>> water as badly.
>>
>> Dave Milne, Scotland
>> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> ynvagf-Gb: qzpn@pbzpnfg.arg
> K-ZFZnvy-Cevbevgl: Abezny
> K-ZvzrBYR: Cebqhprq Ol Zvpebfbsg ZvzrBYR I6.00.2900.2180
> K-Arjfernqre: Zvpebfbsg Bhgybbx Rkcerff 6.00.2900.2180
> K-Cbfgsvygre: 1.3.32
> K-Cevbevgl: 3
> K-ESP2646: Sbezng=Sybjrq; Bevtvany
> K-Erprvirq-Qngr: Fha, 04 Frc 2005 12:02:32 ZQG (cq7gj1ab)
> K-Genpr: fi3-6cz9anLD261Xy6JD2NM1wOeiEpuD7581KNROt1joHM6LpSxW0h uU7JAeU8eZL4LigIjMvBfcNZEbcox!DIMzBIcvj0/LlbImR4KMF+b/pJW4nVtgOYHT4895Xkyxj5fFPhTttNGSCu/Fwbj/uiRS3NZ/UnJ2!0kb=
> Kers: cq7uh0ab erp.nhgbf.znxref.wrrc+jvyylf:74628
> ZVZR-Irefvba: 1.0
> Pbagrag-Glcr: grkg/cynva
>
> 01 GW j/pi qevirfunsg, 4 vapu yvsg.
nnb
aadtr vcd
d
09-07-2005, 03:37 AM
#130
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Ya ready for diesel yet?
On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 17:55:02 -0700, L.W.------ wrote:
> Guvf vf gb nyy gur crbcyr jub, yvxr zr, unir orra hfvat Ghegyr Jnk sbe
> lrnef.
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> Svefg bss, V'ir arire hfrq nal bgure jnk cebqhpgf fb cyrnfr qba'g
> erfcbaq gb zr ol fnlvat "unir lbh gevrq guvf jnk" be "unir lbh gevrq
> gung jnk" ... V'z jung lbh pnyy n yblny pbafhzre, zbfgyl orpnhfr zl Qnq
> hfrq vg sbe lrnef naq V thrff V vaurevgrq gur fnzr nssyvpgvba.
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> Xrrc va zvaq gung V yvir va gur Pnanqvna Rnfg Pbnfg jurer bhe jvagref
> ner nofbyhgryl OEHGNY fb jnkvat lbhe pne vf n arprffvgl, abg n yhkhel.
> Bhg urer, vs lbh qba'g jnk lbhe pne, gur rkgerzr pbyq pbhcyrq jvgu gur
> fnyg naq pnypvhz gurl guebj ba gur ebnqf jvyy qb lbhe pne va va yrff
> guna 3 lrnef.
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> V jnkrq zl fcnaxvat arj 2005 Avffna Nygvzn 3 gvzrf ng 3-zbagu vagreinyf
> hfvat :
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> 1. Ghegyr Jnk Fhcre Uneq Furyy Pne Jnk
> 2. Ghegyr Jnk Pneanhon Pne Jnk
> 3. Cyngvahz Frevrf Hygen Tybff Pne Jnk
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> Urer ner zl crefbany erfhygf:
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> Ghegyr Jnk Fhcre Uneq Furyy Pne Jnk
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> Irel tbbq jnk sbe gur cevpr (fgvyy haqre 5.00 bhg urer). Tbbq fuvar,
> irel tbbq cebgrpgvba (cebgrpgvba bhg urer pbhagf zber guna fuvar). Lbh
> unir gb erfcrpg guvf jnk orpnhfr vg'f orra nebhaq sberire, va snpg,
> nppbeqvat gb gur Tybor naq Znvy, guvf jnk vf fgvyy Ghegyr'f #1 pnfu
> pbj. Nsgre 3 zbaguf, gur pne jnf fgvyy orrqvat naq jnf fzbbgu gb gur
> gbhpu.
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> Abj V'ir urneq fgbevrf nobhg crbcyr fnlvat gung vs gurl hfrq guvf jnk
> ba "er-cnvagrq" nernf bs gur pne, gur cnvag jbhyq crry evtug bss.
> Jryy, V er-cnvagrq zl 1987 Fragen gjvpr naq arire bapr qvq V unir guvf
> ceboyrz .... V unq gur pne er-cnvagrq ng gur Avffna qrnyrefuvc ...
> pbhyq vg or gung bevtvany snpgbel cnvag vf orggre guna lbhe nirentr Wbr
> Fuzbr obql fubc cnvag ?? Jub xabjf ... whfg jnagrq gb fnl gung V arire
> unq guvf ceboyrz ba zl er-cnvagrq pnef.
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> Cyngvahz Frevrf Hygen Tybff Pne Jnk
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> Hfryrff bhg urer.
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> Vs lbh jnag n tybffl fuvar, gura lbh pbhyq ohl guvf jnk ohg vg snvyrq
> zvfrenoyr va gur qhenovyvgl grfg. Guvf jnk jnf ratvarrerq gb tvir n
> fubjebbz fuvar. Gung'f vg. Vs lbh'er n crefba jub bjaf n pne
> qrnyrefuvc yvxr Avffna be Sbeq naq lbh jnag gb fubj bss lbhe arj pnef
> va lbhe fubjebbz, gura guvf vf gur jnk sbe lbh. Vs lbh jnag cebgrpgvba
> naq qhenovyvgl, gura ybbx gur bgure jnl zl sevraq. Nsgre gjb zbaguf,
> gur cnvag sryg ebhtu naq gur orrqvat fgbccrq va yrff guna n zbagu.
>
> Yrg zr whfg fnl guvf. Gur qvssrerapr va fuvar orgjrra Cyngvahz Frevrf
> Hygen Tybff Pne Jnk naq Ghegyr Jnk Fhcre Uneq Furyy Pne Jnk jnf uneqyl
> abgvprnoyr. Va snpg, hayrff lbh unq n fcrpvsvp yriry bs yvtugvat, V
> sbhaq AB qvssrerapr. Uneqyl jbegu gur rkgen zbarl sbe n 1% vapernfr va
> fuvar.
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> Ghegyr Jnk Pneanhon Pne Jnk
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> Rkpryyrag jnk. V tvir gur guhzof hc sbe obgu cebgrpgvba naq fuvar.
> V npghnyyl pnyyrq Ghegyr naq gurl gbyq zr gung gur Ghegyr Pneanhon Pne
> Jnk sbezhyn vf onfrq ba gur Fhcre Uneq Furyy. Nyy gurl qvq jnf zvk va
> Pneanhon ntragf. Guvf jbhyq rkcynva jul vg'f fhpu n tbbq jnk .. gurl
> gbbx gur bevtvany Fhcre Uneq Furyy naq nqqrq gur Oenmvyvna pneanhon.
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> Nsgre 3 zbaguf, fzbbgu gb gur gbhpu naq orrqvat jnf fgvyy cerggl
> fgebat. Nf sbe gur tybff, vg ybbxrq abgvprnoyl fuvavre guna gur Fhcre
> Uneq Furyy.
>
> Svany Erpbzzraqngvba:
>
> # 1 : Ghegyr Jnk Pneanhon Pne Jnk
> # 2 : Ghegyr Jnk Fhcre Uneq Furyy Pne Jnk
> # 3 : Cyngvahz Frevrf Hygen Tybff Pne Jnk
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> Fb gung'f zl gjb pragf ... gunaxf sbe ernqvat.
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> Sbe lrnef V'ir orra hfvat gur byq snibevgr "Ghegyr Fhcre Uneq Furyy".
> Va snpg, nppbeqvat gb gur Tybor naq Znvy, guvf jnk vf fgvyy Ghegyr'f #1
> pnfu pbj
> What do you think is on the end of an injector? It is metered
> orifice same as a jet at end of the solenoid or mechanical pump. Trucker
> slang this line is metered by a button. In this example you may see the
> jet: #8, piston: #13, inlet fuel line: # 7, solenoid: #6:
> http://www.tpub.com/content/dieselge...84-24P_143.htm
> It's not complicated. I hope you are learning something along with
> frustrating me.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bert Ludwig wrote:
>>
>> I will have to call you insane as usual, because diesels have no jets
>> or carburetors. All diesels have high pressure timed mechanical or
>> electromechanical fuel injection.
Drah befi; slarn, etr blarn, prfliggt!
Brugnuf? Vlaadi.
Poofte.
> Guvf vf gb nyy gur crbcyr jub, yvxr zr, unir orra hfvat Ghegyr Jnk sbe
> lrnef.
>
> Svefg bss, V'ir arire hfrq nal bgure jnk cebqhpgf fb cyrnfr qba'g
> erfcbaq gb zr ol fnlvat "unir lbh gevrq guvf jnk" be "unir lbh gevrq
> gung jnk" ... V'z jung lbh pnyy n yblny pbafhzre, zbfgyl orpnhfr zl Qnq
> hfrq vg sbe lrnef naq V thrff V vaurevgrq gur fnzr nssyvpgvba.
>
> Xrrc va zvaq gung V yvir va gur Pnanqvna Rnfg Pbnfg jurer bhe jvagref
> ner nofbyhgryl OEHGNY fb jnkvat lbhe pne vf n arprffvgl, abg n yhkhel.
> Bhg urer, vs lbh qba'g jnk lbhe pne, gur rkgerzr pbyq pbhcyrq jvgu gur
> fnyg naq pnypvhz gurl guebj ba gur ebnqf jvyy qb lbhe pne va va yrff
> guna 3 lrnef.
>
> V jnkrq zl fcnaxvat arj 2005 Avffna Nygvzn 3 gvzrf ng 3-zbagu vagreinyf
> hfvat :
>
> 1. Ghegyr Jnk Fhcre Uneq Furyy Pne Jnk
> 2. Ghegyr Jnk Pneanhon Pne Jnk
> 3. Cyngvahz Frevrf Hygen Tybff Pne Jnk
>
> Urer ner zl crefbany erfhygf:
>
> Ghegyr Jnk Fhcre Uneq Furyy Pne Jnk
>
> Irel tbbq jnk sbe gur cevpr (fgvyy haqre 5.00 bhg urer). Tbbq fuvar,
> irel tbbq cebgrpgvba (cebgrpgvba bhg urer pbhagf zber guna fuvar). Lbh
> unir gb erfcrpg guvf jnk orpnhfr vg'f orra nebhaq sberire, va snpg,
> nppbeqvat gb gur Tybor naq Znvy, guvf jnk vf fgvyy Ghegyr'f #1 pnfu
> pbj. Nsgre 3 zbaguf, gur pne jnf fgvyy orrqvat naq jnf fzbbgu gb gur
> gbhpu.
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> Abj V'ir urneq fgbevrf nobhg crbcyr fnlvat gung vs gurl hfrq guvf jnk
> ba "er-cnvagrq" nernf bs gur pne, gur cnvag jbhyq crry evtug bss.
> Jryy, V er-cnvagrq zl 1987 Fragen gjvpr naq arire bapr qvq V unir guvf
> ceboyrz .... V unq gur pne er-cnvagrq ng gur Avffna qrnyrefuvc ...
> pbhyq vg or gung bevtvany snpgbel cnvag vf orggre guna lbhe nirentr Wbr
> Fuzbr obql fubc cnvag ?? Jub xabjf ... whfg jnagrq gb fnl gung V arire
> unq guvf ceboyrz ba zl er-cnvagrq pnef.
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> Cyngvahz Frevrf Hygen Tybff Pne Jnk
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> Hfryrff bhg urer.
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> Vs lbh jnag n tybffl fuvar, gura lbh pbhyq ohl guvf jnk ohg vg snvyrq
> zvfrenoyr va gur qhenovyvgl grfg. Guvf jnk jnf ratvarrerq gb tvir n
> fubjebbz fuvar. Gung'f vg. Vs lbh'er n crefba jub bjaf n pne
> qrnyrefuvc yvxr Avffna be Sbeq naq lbh jnag gb fubj bss lbhe arj pnef
> va lbhe fubjebbz, gura guvf vf gur jnk sbe lbh. Vs lbh jnag cebgrpgvba
> naq qhenovyvgl, gura ybbx gur bgure jnl zl sevraq. Nsgre gjb zbaguf,
> gur cnvag sryg ebhtu naq gur orrqvat fgbccrq va yrff guna n zbagu.
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> Yrg zr whfg fnl guvf. Gur qvssrerapr va fuvar orgjrra Cyngvahz Frevrf
> Hygen Tybff Pne Jnk naq Ghegyr Jnk Fhcre Uneq Furyy Pne Jnk jnf uneqyl
> abgvprnoyr. Va snpg, hayrff lbh unq n fcrpvsvp yriry bs yvtugvat, V
> sbhaq AB qvssrerapr. Uneqyl jbegu gur rkgen zbarl sbe n 1% vapernfr va
> fuvar.
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> Ghegyr Jnk Pneanhon Pne Jnk
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> Rkpryyrag jnk. V tvir gur guhzof hc sbe obgu cebgrpgvba naq fuvar.
> V npghnyyl pnyyrq Ghegyr naq gurl gbyq zr gung gur Ghegyr Pneanhon Pne
> Jnk sbezhyn vf onfrq ba gur Fhcre Uneq Furyy. Nyy gurl qvq jnf zvk va
> Pneanhon ntragf. Guvf jbhyq rkcynva jul vg'f fhpu n tbbq jnk .. gurl
> gbbx gur bevtvany Fhcre Uneq Furyy naq nqqrq gur Oenmvyvna pneanhon.
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> Nsgre 3 zbaguf, fzbbgu gb gur gbhpu naq orrqvat jnf fgvyy cerggl
> fgebat. Nf sbe gur tybff, vg ybbxrq abgvprnoyl fuvavre guna gur Fhcre
> Uneq Furyy.
>
> Svany Erpbzzraqngvba:
>
> # 1 : Ghegyr Jnk Pneanhon Pne Jnk
> # 2 : Ghegyr Jnk Fhcre Uneq Furyy Pne Jnk
> # 3 : Cyngvahz Frevrf Hygen Tybff Pne Jnk
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> Sbe lrnef V'ir orra hfvat gur byq snibevgr "Ghegyr Fhcre Uneq Furyy".
> Va snpg, nppbeqvat gb gur Tybor naq Znvy, guvf jnk vf fgvyy Ghegyr'f #1
> pnfu pbj
> What do you think is on the end of an injector? It is metered
> orifice same as a jet at end of the solenoid or mechanical pump. Trucker
> slang this line is metered by a button. In this example you may see the
> jet: #8, piston: #13, inlet fuel line: # 7, solenoid: #6:
> http://www.tpub.com/content/dieselge...84-24P_143.htm
> It's not complicated. I hope you are learning something along with
> frustrating me.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bert Ludwig wrote:
>>
>> I will have to call you insane as usual, because diesels have no jets
>> or carburetors. All diesels have high pressure timed mechanical or
>> electromechanical fuel injection.
Drah befi; slarn, etr blarn, prfliggt!
Brugnuf? Vlaadi.
Poofte.
