Just don't ever floor board it.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Dave Milne wrote:
>
> Not yet :-)
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

 

Vitoria-Gasteiz, País Vasco, España. Empiezo a entender la cultura
anglosajón, por ojos ajenos. You probably have places like this
www.hoteldato.com in England too.

This place is fantastic. La ciudad es preciosa, y la gente amable. Lo peor
es que el dólar no tiene valor. Almuerzo en la plaza, con pan y queso, como
vagabundo. Next week I move into a studio, and will be able to prepare my
own meals. Where can I find a simple jar of peanut butter?

I bought some petrol here last week, and for the life of me I don't
understand how you can drive a Grand Wagoneer at these prices. The good
thing about prices in the U.S. is that no one in the family wants to drive
my Suburban while I am gone, and they only drive the Jeep when someone else
has the Honda.

Qué será, será, si Dios lo dispone.

Earle

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:xjHTe.104347$G8.79777@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> Sure, if it sucks water. I meant rather that diesels don't have spark
plugs
> to get wet (although the advantage is rather dimished by the fact they
have
> now acquired a lot more electronics). I didn't realise you were outside
the
> US now, Earle - where are you ?
>
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> "Earle Horton" <nurse--NOSPAM--busters@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:1126104163.67cc8bbee2471f31fb555a116f15d16c@t eranews...
> > Actually Dave,
> >
> > If a diesel sucks water it is going to blow out a cylinder wall, while a
> > gasoline engine will probably just lock up from hydrostatic pressure, or
> > maybe bend a rod. So the choice is cylinder or block replacement
(diesel)
> > or possible rod replacement (gasoline). If you read one of my earlier
> > postings I drove a Honda Civic under water three times, and it still
came
> > back for more.
> >
> > I am not real worried about the price of gasoline in the U.S. It is
still
> > half of what people are paying here. Sometimes I wake up in the middle
of
> > the night, worrying that British Airways won't honor my return ticket,
> > because all the infrastructure in the U.S. has collapsed, and there is
no
> > place for them to land there. But then I roll over, thinking that that
> > wouldn't be so bad.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > news:GnmTe.103636$G8.25776@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> > > Get more mpg though. That's why it's popular in Europe.
> > > For offroading its ideal as the torque advantage is large and they
> aren't
> > > affected by water as badly.
> > >
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:_OidnZ2dnZ2dVEPRnZ2dnSxBgN6dnZ2dRVn-z52dnZ0@ez2.net...
> > > > Why? Diesel in my area costs $0.30 MORE than gasoline.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:1125968983.515107.327190@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> > > > It's a matter of time now! Aside from a few stubborn goofs like
ßill,
> > > > y'all are going to start thinking diesel pretty soon. Of course when
> > > > the craze starts, the price of suitable engines is going to
> > > > skyrocket...too bad I have a few in my garage, isn't it?
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

 

Vitoria-Gasteiz, País Vasco, España. Empiezo a entender la cultura
anglosajón, por ojos ajenos. You probably have places like this
www.hoteldato.com in England too.

This place is fantastic. La ciudad es preciosa, y la gente amable. Lo peor
es que el dólar no tiene valor. Almuerzo en la plaza, con pan y queso, como
vagabundo. Next week I move into a studio, and will be able to prepare my
own meals. Where can I find a simple jar of peanut butter?

I bought some petrol here last week, and for the life of me I don't
understand how you can drive a Grand Wagoneer at these prices. The good
thing about prices in the U.S. is that no one in the family wants to drive
my Suburban while I am gone, and they only drive the Jeep when someone else
has the Honda.

Qué será, será, si Dios lo dispone.

Earle

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:xjHTe.104347$G8.79777@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> Sure, if it sucks water. I meant rather that diesels don't have spark
plugs
> to get wet (although the advantage is rather dimished by the fact they
have
> now acquired a lot more electronics). I didn't realise you were outside
the
> US now, Earle - where are you ?
>
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> "Earle Horton" <nurse--NOSPAM--busters@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:1126104163.67cc8bbee2471f31fb555a116f15d16c@t eranews...
> > Actually Dave,
> >
> > If a diesel sucks water it is going to blow out a cylinder wall, while a
> > gasoline engine will probably just lock up from hydrostatic pressure, or
> > maybe bend a rod. So the choice is cylinder or block replacement
(diesel)
> > or possible rod replacement (gasoline). If you read one of my earlier
> > postings I drove a Honda Civic under water three times, and it still
came
> > back for more.
> >
> > I am not real worried about the price of gasoline in the U.S. It is
still
> > half of what people are paying here. Sometimes I wake up in the middle
of
> > the night, worrying that British Airways won't honor my return ticket,
> > because all the infrastructure in the U.S. has collapsed, and there is
no
> > place for them to land there. But then I roll over, thinking that that
> > wouldn't be so bad.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > news:GnmTe.103636$G8.25776@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> > > Get more mpg though. That's why it's popular in Europe.
> > > For offroading its ideal as the torque advantage is large and they
> aren't
> > > affected by water as badly.
> > >
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:_OidnZ2dnZ2dVEPRnZ2dnSxBgN6dnZ2dRVn-z52dnZ0@ez2.net...
> > > > Why? Diesel in my area costs $0.30 MORE than gasoline.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:1125968983.515107.327190@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> > > > It's a matter of time now! Aside from a few stubborn goofs like
ßill,
> > > > y'all are going to start thinking diesel pretty soon. Of course when
> > > > the craze starts, the price of suitable engines is going to
> > > > skyrocket...too bad I have a few in my garage, isn't it?
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

 

Vitoria-Gasteiz, País Vasco, España. Empiezo a entender la cultura
anglosajón, por ojos ajenos. You probably have places like this
www.hoteldato.com in England too.

This place is fantastic. La ciudad es preciosa, y la gente amable. Lo peor
es que el dólar no tiene valor. Almuerzo en la plaza, con pan y queso, como
vagabundo. Next week I move into a studio, and will be able to prepare my
own meals. Where can I find a simple jar of peanut butter?

I bought some petrol here last week, and for the life of me I don't
understand how you can drive a Grand Wagoneer at these prices. The good
thing about prices in the U.S. is that no one in the family wants to drive
my Suburban while I am gone, and they only drive the Jeep when someone else
has the Honda.

Qué será, será, si Dios lo dispone.

Earle

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:xjHTe.104347$G8.79777@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> Sure, if it sucks water. I meant rather that diesels don't have spark
plugs
> to get wet (although the advantage is rather dimished by the fact they
have
> now acquired a lot more electronics). I didn't realise you were outside
the
> US now, Earle - where are you ?
>
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> "Earle Horton" <nurse--NOSPAM--busters@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:1126104163.67cc8bbee2471f31fb555a116f15d16c@t eranews...
> > Actually Dave,
> >
> > If a diesel sucks water it is going to blow out a cylinder wall, while a
> > gasoline engine will probably just lock up from hydrostatic pressure, or
> > maybe bend a rod. So the choice is cylinder or block replacement
(diesel)
> > or possible rod replacement (gasoline). If you read one of my earlier
> > postings I drove a Honda Civic under water three times, and it still
came
> > back for more.
> >
> > I am not real worried about the price of gasoline in the U.S. It is
still
> > half of what people are paying here. Sometimes I wake up in the middle
of
> > the night, worrying that British Airways won't honor my return ticket,
> > because all the infrastructure in the U.S. has collapsed, and there is
no
> > place for them to land there. But then I roll over, thinking that that
> > wouldn't be so bad.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > news:GnmTe.103636$G8.25776@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> > > Get more mpg though. That's why it's popular in Europe.
> > > For offroading its ideal as the torque advantage is large and they
> aren't
> > > affected by water as badly.
> > >
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:_OidnZ2dnZ2dVEPRnZ2dnSxBgN6dnZ2dRVn-z52dnZ0@ez2.net...
> > > > Why? Diesel in my area costs $0.30 MORE than gasoline.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:1125968983.515107.327190@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> > > > It's a matter of time now! Aside from a few stubborn goofs like
ßill,
> > > > y'all are going to start thinking diesel pretty soon. Of course when
> > > > the craze starts, the price of suitable engines is going to
> > > > skyrocket...too bad I have a few in my garage, isn't it?
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

 

Vitoria-Gasteiz, País Vasco, España. Empiezo a entender la cultura
anglosajón, por ojos ajenos. You probably have places like this
www.hoteldato.com in England too.

This place is fantastic. La ciudad es preciosa, y la gente amable. Lo peor
es que el dólar no tiene valor. Almuerzo en la plaza, con pan y queso, como
vagabundo. Next week I move into a studio, and will be able to prepare my
own meals. Where can I find a simple jar of peanut butter?

I bought some petrol here last week, and for the life of me I don't
understand how you can drive a Grand Wagoneer at these prices. The good
thing about prices in the U.S. is that no one in the family wants to drive
my Suburban while I am gone, and they only drive the Jeep when someone else
has the Honda.

Qué será, será, si Dios lo dispone.

Earle

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:xjHTe.104347$G8.79777@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> Sure, if it sucks water. I meant rather that diesels don't have spark
plugs
> to get wet (although the advantage is rather dimished by the fact they
have
> now acquired a lot more electronics). I didn't realise you were outside
the
> US now, Earle - where are you ?
>
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> "Earle Horton" <nurse--NOSPAM--busters@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:1126104163.67cc8bbee2471f31fb555a116f15d16c@t eranews...
> > Actually Dave,
> >
> > If a diesel sucks water it is going to blow out a cylinder wall, while a
> > gasoline engine will probably just lock up from hydrostatic pressure, or
> > maybe bend a rod. So the choice is cylinder or block replacement
(diesel)
> > or possible rod replacement (gasoline). If you read one of my earlier
> > postings I drove a Honda Civic under water three times, and it still
came
> > back for more.
> >
> > I am not real worried about the price of gasoline in the U.S. It is
still
> > half of what people are paying here. Sometimes I wake up in the middle
of
> > the night, worrying that British Airways won't honor my return ticket,
> > because all the infrastructure in the U.S. has collapsed, and there is
no
> > place for them to land there. But then I roll over, thinking that that
> > wouldn't be so bad.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > news:GnmTe.103636$G8.25776@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> > > Get more mpg though. That's why it's popular in Europe.
> > > For offroading its ideal as the torque advantage is large and they
> aren't
> > > affected by water as badly.
> > >
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:_OidnZ2dnZ2dVEPRnZ2dnSxBgN6dnZ2dRVn-z52dnZ0@ez2.net...
> > > > Why? Diesel in my area costs $0.30 MORE than gasoline.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:1125968983.515107.327190@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> > > > It's a matter of time now! Aside from a few stubborn goofs like
ßill,
> > > > y'all are going to start thinking diesel pretty soon. Of course when
> > > > the craze starts, the price of suitable engines is going to
> > > > skyrocket...too bad I have a few in my garage, isn't it?
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

 

> It works pretty well for me. 30% better mileage on 15% cheaper fuel (as of
> right now) with torque out the butt and no electronics....yeah, total
> horsepower is lower, but I'm not drag racing a 4WD.<

While diesels may generally get better mileage, it's not that simple. It
depends upon what vehicle you're talking about.
I have an '04 Ford Super Duty 6.0 PowerStroke, gets about 16.5 city, 21
highway. Towing the Jeep & trailer, a task for which it is absolutely
fantastic, it gets 12-13 mpg.
(A comparable V10 Triton gets around 10 city, 14 highway, towing will likely
get around 6-8.) Overall, not bad, but tthe PowerStroke is certainly no fuel
miser.

Even more to consider when looking at diesels, all of them carry a pricing
disadvatage. The PowerStroke option is nearly $5,000, and if you throw in
the 4 speed Torqshift trans, the only automatic option, that's another
$1,500. Best calculation, takes around 300,000 miles to break even vs. a
gasoline alternative.

As for a diesel fuel price advantage, that's total horse ----. Around here
diesel has been selling higher than regular for more than two years now, and
is getting set to do it's annual winter price runup, where it will end up
priced between regular and premium. The refiners excuse being that it
competes with home heating oil for the idiot Yankees who, despite being
warned for years, haven't converted to gas or electric heat.

 

> It works pretty well for me. 30% better mileage on 15% cheaper fuel (as of
> right now) with torque out the butt and no electronics....yeah, total
> horsepower is lower, but I'm not drag racing a 4WD.<

While diesels may generally get better mileage, it's not that simple. It
depends upon what vehicle you're talking about.
I have an '04 Ford Super Duty 6.0 PowerStroke, gets about 16.5 city, 21
highway. Towing the Jeep & trailer, a task for which it is absolutely
fantastic, it gets 12-13 mpg.
(A comparable V10 Triton gets around 10 city, 14 highway, towing will likely
get around 6-8.) Overall, not bad, but tthe PowerStroke is certainly no fuel
miser.

Even more to consider when looking at diesels, all of them carry a pricing
disadvatage. The PowerStroke option is nearly $5,000, and if you throw in
the 4 speed Torqshift trans, the only automatic option, that's another
$1,500. Best calculation, takes around 300,000 miles to break even vs. a
gasoline alternative.

As for a diesel fuel price advantage, that's total horse ----. Around here
diesel has been selling higher than regular for more than two years now, and
is getting set to do it's annual winter price runup, where it will end up
priced between regular and premium. The refiners excuse being that it
competes with home heating oil for the idiot Yankees who, despite being
warned for years, haven't converted to gas or electric heat.

 

> It works pretty well for me. 30% better mileage on 15% cheaper fuel (as of
> right now) with torque out the butt and no electronics....yeah, total
> horsepower is lower, but I'm not drag racing a 4WD.<

While diesels may generally get better mileage, it's not that simple. It
depends upon what vehicle you're talking about.
I have an '04 Ford Super Duty 6.0 PowerStroke, gets about 16.5 city, 21
highway. Towing the Jeep & trailer, a task for which it is absolutely
fantastic, it gets 12-13 mpg.
(A comparable V10 Triton gets around 10 city, 14 highway, towing will likely
get around 6-8.) Overall, not bad, but tthe PowerStroke is certainly no fuel
miser.

Even more to consider when looking at diesels, all of them carry a pricing
disadvatage. The PowerStroke option is nearly $5,000, and if you throw in
the 4 speed Torqshift trans, the only automatic option, that's another
$1,500. Best calculation, takes around 300,000 miles to break even vs. a
gasoline alternative.

As for a diesel fuel price advantage, that's total horse ----. Around here
diesel has been selling higher than regular for more than two years now, and
is getting set to do it's annual winter price runup, where it will end up
priced between regular and premium. The refiners excuse being that it
competes with home heating oil for the idiot Yankees who, despite being
warned for years, haven't converted to gas or electric heat.

 

> It works pretty well for me. 30% better mileage on 15% cheaper fuel (as of
> right now) with torque out the butt and no electronics....yeah, total
> horsepower is lower, but I'm not drag racing a 4WD.<

While diesels may generally get better mileage, it's not that simple. It
depends upon what vehicle you're talking about.
I have an '04 Ford Super Duty 6.0 PowerStroke, gets about 16.5 city, 21
highway. Towing the Jeep & trailer, a task for which it is absolutely
fantastic, it gets 12-13 mpg.
(A comparable V10 Triton gets around 10 city, 14 highway, towing will likely
get around 6-8.) Overall, not bad, but tthe PowerStroke is certainly no fuel
miser.

Even more to consider when looking at diesels, all of them carry a pricing
disadvatage. The PowerStroke option is nearly $5,000, and if you throw in
the 4 speed Torqshift trans, the only automatic option, that's another
$1,500. Best calculation, takes around 300,000 miles to break even vs. a
gasoline alternative.

As for a diesel fuel price advantage, that's total horse ----. Around here
diesel has been selling higher than regular for more than two years now, and
is getting set to do it's annual winter price runup, where it will end up
priced between regular and premium. The refiners excuse being that it
competes with home heating oil for the idiot Yankees who, despite being
warned for years, haven't converted to gas or electric heat.

 

That is a good sign. I don't know what we would do in Silverton if the
price of propane did what gasoline has done. All of the poor people would
have to leave, and the rich people, who have stayed out of politics, would
have to take a crack at running the town ourselves. I doubt we would do
better than the fools we have now.

Earle

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:XAYTe.104823$G8.56094@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> I don't drive the Waggy much, and anyhow it runs on propane which is 1/2
the
> price of petrol
>
> --
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:1126187041.01ca590548daf08af737a9cd399af447@t eranews...
> > Vitoria-Gasteiz, País Vasco, España. Empiezo a entender la cultura
> > anglosajón, por ojos ajenos. You probably have places like this
> > www.hoteldato.com in England too.
> >
> > This place is fantastic. La ciudad es preciosa, y la gente amable. Lo
> peor
> > es que el dólar no tiene valor. Almuerzo en la plaza, con pan y queso,
> como
> > vagabundo. Next week I move into a studio, and will be able to prepare
my
> > own meals. Where can I find a simple jar of peanut butter?
> >
> > I bought some petrol here last week, and for the life of me I don't
> > understand how you can drive a Grand Wagoneer at these prices. The good
> > thing about prices in the U.S. is that no one in the family wants to
drive
> > my Suburban while I am gone, and they only drive the Jeep when someone
> else
> > has the Honda.
> >
> > Qué será, será, si Dios lo dispone.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > news:xjHTe.104347$G8.79777@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> > > Sure, if it sucks water. I meant rather that diesels don't have spark
> > plugs
> > > to get wet (although the advantage is rather dimished by the fact they
> > have
> > > now acquired a lot more electronics). I didn't realise you were
outside
> > the
> > > US now, Earle - where are you ?
> > >
> > >
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > > "Earle Horton" <nurse--NOSPAM--busters@msn.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1126104163.67cc8bbee2471f31fb555a116f15d16c@t eranews...
> > > > Actually Dave,
> > > >
> > > > If a diesel sucks water it is going to blow out a cylinder wall,
while
> a
> > > > gasoline engine will probably just lock up from hydrostatic
pressure,
> or
> > > > maybe bend a rod. So the choice is cylinder or block replacement
> > (diesel)
> > > > or possible rod replacement (gasoline). If you read one of my
earlier
> > > > postings I drove a Honda Civic under water three times, and it still
> > came
> > > > back for more.
> > > >
> > > > I am not real worried about the price of gasoline in the U.S. It is
> > still
> > > > half of what people are paying here. Sometimes I wake up in the
> middle
> > of
> > > > the night, worrying that British Airways won't honor my return
ticket,
> > > > because all the infrastructure in the U.S. has collapsed, and there
is
> > no
> > > > place for them to land there. But then I roll over, thinking that
> that
> > > > wouldn't be so bad.
> > > >
> > > > Earle
> > > >
> > > > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > > > news:GnmTe.103636$G8.25776@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> > > > > Get more mpg though. That's why it's popular in Europe.
> > > > > For offroading its ideal as the torque advantage is large and they
> > > aren't
> > > > > affected by water as badly.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > > > > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:_OidnZ2dnZ2dVEPRnZ2dnSxBgN6dnZ2dRVn-z52dnZ0@ez2.net...
> > > > > > Why? Diesel in my area costs $0.30 MORE than gasoline.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:1125968983.515107.327190@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> > > > > > It's a matter of time now! Aside from a few stubborn goofs like
> > ßill,
> > > > > > y'all are going to start thinking diesel pretty soon. Of course
> when
> > > > > > the craze starts, the price of suitable engines is going to
> > > > > > skyrocket...too bad I have a few in my garage, isn't it?
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>