L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Yes, you could put a snorkel on a '66 if you wanted and not cut the
hood:
http://www.4x4review.com/feature/50-...p-CJ-5-BIG.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> I'd meant to ask about that, yes, a long, narrow cover standing proud of
> the cowl, right hand side, looks like the one in pictures of M-38As.
> Other oddities to my 70s-sotted eye: An air intake scoop behind the
> grill, driver's side, part of the rather deep stamped radiator mount
> shell. What looked to be a heater box mounted on the engine side of the
> firewall, driver's side, but no connecting piece to the scoop. Two wiper
> mounts, each on the upper part of the windshield. 4 slices of ~3/4"
> tubing ~3" long, one each side welded upright just behind each door
> opening inside and then again outside of both rear corners (top bow
> pockets?). Hmmm. And a "Maximum Allowable Speed" plate riveted to the
> dash, but no Mil. data plate.
>
> Didn't Jeep continue using the M-38A hoods on CJs? I'm sure that I've
> seen older CJs with the patch for a snorkle.

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Yes, you could put a snorkel on a '66 if you wanted and not cut the
hood:
http://www.4x4review.com/feature/50-...p-CJ-5-BIG.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> I'd meant to ask about that, yes, a long, narrow cover standing proud of
> the cowl, right hand side, looks like the one in pictures of M-38As.
> Other oddities to my 70s-sotted eye: An air intake scoop behind the
> grill, driver's side, part of the rather deep stamped radiator mount
> shell. What looked to be a heater box mounted on the engine side of the
> firewall, driver's side, but no connecting piece to the scoop. Two wiper
> mounts, each on the upper part of the windshield. 4 slices of ~3/4"
> tubing ~3" long, one each side welded upright just behind each door
> opening inside and then again outside of both rear corners (top bow
> pockets?). Hmmm. And a "Maximum Allowable Speed" plate riveted to the
> dash, but no Mil. data plate.
>
> Didn't Jeep continue using the M-38A hoods on CJs? I'm sure that I've
> seen older CJs with the patch for a snorkle.

Lee Ayrton

So are you thinking that this is an M38A? I've never seen a battery hatch
on a CJ cowl but, then again, there's lots of things that I've never seen.

I may have to run the serial number, and also look up the restored value
of an M38A.



On Sun, 29 Aug 2004, L.W.([iso-8859-1] ßill) ------ III wrote:

> Yes, you could put a snorkel on a '66 if you wanted and not cut the
> hood:
> http://www.4x4review.com/feature/50-...p-CJ-5-BIG.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Lee Ayrton wrote:
>>
>> I'd meant to ask about that, yes, a long, narrow cover standing proud of
>> the cowl, right hand side, looks like the one in pictures of M-38As.
>> Other oddities to my 70s-sotted eye: An air intake scoop behind the
>> grill, driver's side, part of the rather deep stamped radiator mount
>> shell. What looked to be a heater box mounted on the engine side of the
>> firewall, driver's side, but no connecting piece to the scoop. Two wiper
>> mounts, each on the upper part of the windshield. 4 slices of ~3/4"
>> tubing ~3" long, one each side welded upright just behind each door
>> opening inside and then again outside of both rear corners (top bow
>> pockets?). Hmmm. And a "Maximum Allowable Speed" plate riveted to the
>> dash, but no Mil. data plate.
>>
>> Didn't Jeep continue using the M-38A hoods on CJs? I'm sure that I've
>> seen older CJs with the patch for a snorkle.
>

Lee Ayrton

So are you thinking that this is an M38A? I've never seen a battery hatch
on a CJ cowl but, then again, there's lots of things that I've never seen.

I may have to run the serial number, and also look up the restored value
of an M38A.



On Sun, 29 Aug 2004, L.W.([iso-8859-1] ßill) ------ III wrote:

> Yes, you could put a snorkel on a '66 if you wanted and not cut the
> hood:
> http://www.4x4review.com/feature/50-...p-CJ-5-BIG.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Lee Ayrton wrote:
>>
>> I'd meant to ask about that, yes, a long, narrow cover standing proud of
>> the cowl, right hand side, looks like the one in pictures of M-38As.
>> Other oddities to my 70s-sotted eye: An air intake scoop behind the
>> grill, driver's side, part of the rather deep stamped radiator mount
>> shell. What looked to be a heater box mounted on the engine side of the
>> firewall, driver's side, but no connecting piece to the scoop. Two wiper
>> mounts, each on the upper part of the windshield. 4 slices of ~3/4"
>> tubing ~3" long, one each side welded upright just behind each door
>> opening inside and then again outside of both rear corners (top bow
>> pockets?). Hmmm. And a "Maximum Allowable Speed" plate riveted to the
>> dash, but no Mil. data plate.
>>
>> Didn't Jeep continue using the M-38A hoods on CJs? I'm sure that I've
>> seen older CJs with the patch for a snorkle.
>

Lee Ayrton

So are you thinking that this is an M38A? I've never seen a battery hatch
on a CJ cowl but, then again, there's lots of things that I've never seen.

I may have to run the serial number, and also look up the restored value
of an M38A.



On Sun, 29 Aug 2004, L.W.([iso-8859-1] ßill) ------ III wrote:

> Yes, you could put a snorkel on a '66 if you wanted and not cut the
> hood:
> http://www.4x4review.com/feature/50-...p-CJ-5-BIG.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Lee Ayrton wrote:
>>
>> I'd meant to ask about that, yes, a long, narrow cover standing proud of
>> the cowl, right hand side, looks like the one in pictures of M-38As.
>> Other oddities to my 70s-sotted eye: An air intake scoop behind the
>> grill, driver's side, part of the rather deep stamped radiator mount
>> shell. What looked to be a heater box mounted on the engine side of the
>> firewall, driver's side, but no connecting piece to the scoop. Two wiper
>> mounts, each on the upper part of the windshield. 4 slices of ~3/4"
>> tubing ~3" long, one each side welded upright just behind each door
>> opening inside and then again outside of both rear corners (top bow
>> pockets?). Hmmm. And a "Maximum Allowable Speed" plate riveted to the
>> dash, but no Mil. data plate.
>>
>> Didn't Jeep continue using the M-38A hoods on CJs? I'm sure that I've
>> seen older CJs with the patch for a snorkle.
>

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

I think it's a Military tub, but then there looks like there was a
battery box that I've forgotten on this '55 I bought and painted to make
a buck: http://www.----------.com/55jeep.jpg The frame number is the one
I'd go by, and there'll be one on the outside left front rail, that
light sanding will find. Kaiser VIN numbers:
http://www.specialtyparts.com/jeep/vins/55yr71cjvin.php
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/55jeep.jpg

Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> So are you thinking that this is an M38A? I've never seen a battery hatch
> on a CJ cowl but, then again, there's lots of things that I've never seen.
>
> I may have to run the serial number, and also look up the restored value
> of an M38A.

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

I think it's a Military tub, but then there looks like there was a
battery box that I've forgotten on this '55 I bought and painted to make
a buck: http://www.----------.com/55jeep.jpg The frame number is the one
I'd go by, and there'll be one on the outside left front rail, that
light sanding will find. Kaiser VIN numbers:
http://www.specialtyparts.com/jeep/vins/55yr71cjvin.php
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/55jeep.jpg

Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> So are you thinking that this is an M38A? I've never seen a battery hatch
> on a CJ cowl but, then again, there's lots of things that I've never seen.
>
> I may have to run the serial number, and also look up the restored value
> of an M38A.

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

I think it's a Military tub, but then there looks like there was a
battery box that I've forgotten on this '55 I bought and painted to make
a buck: http://www.----------.com/55jeep.jpg The frame number is the one
I'd go by, and there'll be one on the outside left front rail, that
light sanding will find. Kaiser VIN numbers:
http://www.specialtyparts.com/jeep/vins/55yr71cjvin.php
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/55jeep.jpg

Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> So are you thinking that this is an M38A? I've never seen a battery hatch
> on a CJ cowl but, then again, there's lots of things that I've never seen.
>
> I may have to run the serial number, and also look up the restored value
> of an M38A.

Lee Ayrton

I was getting more and more curious, so I went back yesterday and got the
serial number: 57548 123919 off the plate on the firewall (it says
"******" only). If I'm correct that decodes to Universal Jeep, CJ-5 open
body, 4 cyl 134 F-head, factory 4WD, made in either 1961 or `62 (depending
on which web source I use, there's some confusion about production those
two years).

The degradation of the sheet metal is uniform, so I don't think that
anyone previously rebuilt the body -- and here I'm thinking mostly about
that gate-deleted rear sheet metal. Too, the tail lights are surface
mounted, not recessed as I gather the military lights to be. The
headlights are in civilian buckets and lack the military wingnut-and hinge
setup. The parking lights are clear glass "beehive" style. It lacks the
recepticle indent on the right cowl (what is that for? Battery jumping?).
I happened upon a reference to the M606A2 (a barely militarized version of
the CJ-5) and I got all excited, but it looks like those didn't begin
production until 1968. Too late.

Perhaps it was just a custom-ordered Jeep with the 60/40 front bench,
solid tail and dealer-installed hard top, and the cowl battery box is just
a hold-over from earlier production? Too bad it is so far gone, it would
be a fun project. (Too bad it isn't an M38A, they're getting pretty good
prices these days.)

What I'd like to find is a year-by-year or block-by-block listing of
detail changes/additions/deletions for early civilian Jeeps, but Google
was coming up empty on my searches.



On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, L.W.([iso-8859-1] ßill) ------ III wrote:

> I think it's a Military tub, but then there looks like there was a
> battery box that I've forgotten on this '55 I bought and painted to make
> a buck: http://www.----------.com/55jeep.jpg The frame number is the one
> I'd go by, and there'll be one on the outside left front rail, that
> light sanding will find. Kaiser VIN numbers:
> http://www.specialtyparts.com/jeep/vins/55yr71cjvin.php
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/55jeep.jpg
>
> Lee Ayrton wrote:
>>
>> So are you thinking that this is an M38A? I've never seen a battery hatch
>> on a CJ cowl but, then again, there's lots of things that I've never seen.
>>
>> I may have to run the serial number, and also look up the restored value
>> of an M38A.
>

Lee Ayrton

I was getting more and more curious, so I went back yesterday and got the
serial number: 57548 123919 off the plate on the firewall (it says
"******" only). If I'm correct that decodes to Universal Jeep, CJ-5 open
body, 4 cyl 134 F-head, factory 4WD, made in either 1961 or `62 (depending
on which web source I use, there's some confusion about production those
two years).

The degradation of the sheet metal is uniform, so I don't think that
anyone previously rebuilt the body -- and here I'm thinking mostly about
that gate-deleted rear sheet metal. Too, the tail lights are surface
mounted, not recessed as I gather the military lights to be. The
headlights are in civilian buckets and lack the military wingnut-and hinge
setup. The parking lights are clear glass "beehive" style. It lacks the
recepticle indent on the right cowl (what is that for? Battery jumping?).
I happened upon a reference to the M606A2 (a barely militarized version of
the CJ-5) and I got all excited, but it looks like those didn't begin
production until 1968. Too late.

Perhaps it was just a custom-ordered Jeep with the 60/40 front bench,
solid tail and dealer-installed hard top, and the cowl battery box is just
a hold-over from earlier production? Too bad it is so far gone, it would
be a fun project. (Too bad it isn't an M38A, they're getting pretty good
prices these days.)

What I'd like to find is a year-by-year or block-by-block listing of
detail changes/additions/deletions for early civilian Jeeps, but Google
was coming up empty on my searches.



On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, L.W.([iso-8859-1] ßill) ------ III wrote:

> I think it's a Military tub, but then there looks like there was a
> battery box that I've forgotten on this '55 I bought and painted to make
> a buck: http://www.----------.com/55jeep.jpg The frame number is the one
> I'd go by, and there'll be one on the outside left front rail, that
> light sanding will find. Kaiser VIN numbers:
> http://www.specialtyparts.com/jeep/vins/55yr71cjvin.php
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/55jeep.jpg
>
> Lee Ayrton wrote:
>>
>> So are you thinking that this is an M38A? I've never seen a battery hatch
>> on a CJ cowl but, then again, there's lots of things that I've never seen.
>>
>> I may have to run the serial number, and also look up the restored value
>> of an M38A.
>