What's it worth?
#11
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Re: What's it worth?
Yep, I was FOS and it is a CJ as I later figured out. Thanks for the
thoughtful and informative post. Snipped and saved for future reference.
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Howard Eisenhauer wrote:
> DJs were the 2WD versions of the earlier CJs. If it does indeed have
> a transfer case as you seem to indicate it probably is a CJ. The
> 60/40 bench seat was an option, fairly rare except for the Tuxedo Park
> model. Likewise the steel hardtops were a dealer installed option,
> ******/Kaiser/AMC never actually built metal tops. They just bolted
> on, not actually part of the body as on sliding door postal jeeps
> (that arn't technically DJs as they were built by someone other than
> ******/AMC- IIRC Rockwell)
>
> To pin down exactly what you're looking at try looking through the
> spotters guides at the Early CJ5 site:
>
> http://www.earlycj5.com/modules.php?...rtid=32&page=1
>
> All the body parts (& complete bodies) are readily available, priced
> all the way from "It Keeps the Wind Out" to "Full Resto Factory
> Correct" ,J.C. Whitney is about the cheapest. A quick web search will
> bring up the pricier options. For some weird reason the "proper"
> fenders (short without the side marker indents) are about $300, the
> slightly later style (short with the indents) are about 1/3 of that.
> AFAIK they're otherwise identical.
>
> Check the frame around the spring hangers for cracks, especially if
> the serial # indicates it's a '57 or later - check here:
>
> http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/history/serial.html
>
> As with the body all the mechancals are still available, usually at
> you local UAP. All the early CJs were pretty much the same
> mechanically so there's more good info on what to look for to be found
> here:
>
> http://www.film.queensu.ca/cj3b/
>
> http://www.thecj2apage.com/
>
>
> Be Warned- if you want to build it for "Off Road" plan on a Saginaw
> steering conversion. If you're thinking resto plan on a major
> steering overhaul as the Ross setup needs EVERYTHING to be tight to
> keep the gray hairs away ;).
>
> Even for full on restos 11" brake/ dual MC upgrades are genearlly
> considered to be A Good Idea.
>
> $1200 does sound way outta line, basically you're buying a frame &
> some axles, & you're not sure if they're any good :(. Still, if its a
> project you're looking for these things ain't getting any commoner,
> especially in stock form.
>
> Good luck, let us know if you go for it-
>
> Howard
>
> http://users.eastlink.ca/~howarde/Tonka.html
>
>
> On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 19:32:42 -0400, Lee Ayrton <layrton@panix.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On my way home from a job I stopped to look at a Jeep parted on the side
>> of the road with a "For Sale" sign in the window. The sign claimed that
>> it was a "CJ-5" but they obviously don't know what they are talking about,
>> it was pretty clearly a DJ: fore-shortened hood and fenders, CJ-5 style
>> tub with a factory metal hard top (swinging doors, not sliding), left hand
>> drive, 2-piece front bench seat, 4 cyl, manual, 4WD. Old-style channel
>> frame (not boxed) and the windshield latches are the early over-center
>> type, not the 70's screw-type.
>>
>> The sheet metal is in tough shape, both fenders need replacement and the
>> tub needs a lot of metal replacement in the usual places. The radiator is
>> out of the truck and the sign claims "Needs head gasket -- have spare
>> parts". Uh huh, that means "not running".
>>
>> They're asking $1200, obviously way too high. I'm thinking more like
>> $400. I'm not really serious about this (I've developed a hankering for a
>> project Duster from the early 70s -- if I can find the garage space), but
>> now that my `79 -5 is done I don't have anything to tinker with, and I'm
>> thinking it might be nice to learn a little tin-knocking. A little DJ
>> might be kinda fun. Learn some sheet metal welding.
>>
>> Anyone know if sheet metal is available for DJ-series Jeeps? Was the
>> running gear very different from standard CJs? Or is it all frustratingly
>> close but entirely different?
>>
>> Clues, warnings and URLs gratefully accepted.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
#12
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Re: What's it worth?
Yep, I was FOS and it is a CJ as I later figured out. Thanks for the
thoughtful and informative post. Snipped and saved for future reference.
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Howard Eisenhauer wrote:
> DJs were the 2WD versions of the earlier CJs. If it does indeed have
> a transfer case as you seem to indicate it probably is a CJ. The
> 60/40 bench seat was an option, fairly rare except for the Tuxedo Park
> model. Likewise the steel hardtops were a dealer installed option,
> ******/Kaiser/AMC never actually built metal tops. They just bolted
> on, not actually part of the body as on sliding door postal jeeps
> (that arn't technically DJs as they were built by someone other than
> ******/AMC- IIRC Rockwell)
>
> To pin down exactly what you're looking at try looking through the
> spotters guides at the Early CJ5 site:
>
> http://www.earlycj5.com/modules.php?...rtid=32&page=1
>
> All the body parts (& complete bodies) are readily available, priced
> all the way from "It Keeps the Wind Out" to "Full Resto Factory
> Correct" ,J.C. Whitney is about the cheapest. A quick web search will
> bring up the pricier options. For some weird reason the "proper"
> fenders (short without the side marker indents) are about $300, the
> slightly later style (short with the indents) are about 1/3 of that.
> AFAIK they're otherwise identical.
>
> Check the frame around the spring hangers for cracks, especially if
> the serial # indicates it's a '57 or later - check here:
>
> http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/history/serial.html
>
> As with the body all the mechancals are still available, usually at
> you local UAP. All the early CJs were pretty much the same
> mechanically so there's more good info on what to look for to be found
> here:
>
> http://www.film.queensu.ca/cj3b/
>
> http://www.thecj2apage.com/
>
>
> Be Warned- if you want to build it for "Off Road" plan on a Saginaw
> steering conversion. If you're thinking resto plan on a major
> steering overhaul as the Ross setup needs EVERYTHING to be tight to
> keep the gray hairs away ;).
>
> Even for full on restos 11" brake/ dual MC upgrades are genearlly
> considered to be A Good Idea.
>
> $1200 does sound way outta line, basically you're buying a frame &
> some axles, & you're not sure if they're any good :(. Still, if its a
> project you're looking for these things ain't getting any commoner,
> especially in stock form.
>
> Good luck, let us know if you go for it-
>
> Howard
>
> http://users.eastlink.ca/~howarde/Tonka.html
>
>
> On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 19:32:42 -0400, Lee Ayrton <layrton@panix.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On my way home from a job I stopped to look at a Jeep parted on the side
>> of the road with a "For Sale" sign in the window. The sign claimed that
>> it was a "CJ-5" but they obviously don't know what they are talking about,
>> it was pretty clearly a DJ: fore-shortened hood and fenders, CJ-5 style
>> tub with a factory metal hard top (swinging doors, not sliding), left hand
>> drive, 2-piece front bench seat, 4 cyl, manual, 4WD. Old-style channel
>> frame (not boxed) and the windshield latches are the early over-center
>> type, not the 70's screw-type.
>>
>> The sheet metal is in tough shape, both fenders need replacement and the
>> tub needs a lot of metal replacement in the usual places. The radiator is
>> out of the truck and the sign claims "Needs head gasket -- have spare
>> parts". Uh huh, that means "not running".
>>
>> They're asking $1200, obviously way too high. I'm thinking more like
>> $400. I'm not really serious about this (I've developed a hankering for a
>> project Duster from the early 70s -- if I can find the garage space), but
>> now that my `79 -5 is done I don't have anything to tinker with, and I'm
>> thinking it might be nice to learn a little tin-knocking. A little DJ
>> might be kinda fun. Learn some sheet metal welding.
>>
>> Anyone know if sheet metal is available for DJ-series Jeeps? Was the
>> running gear very different from standard CJs? Or is it all frustratingly
>> close but entirely different?
>>
>> Clues, warnings and URLs gratefully accepted.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
#13
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Re: What's it worth?
Yep, I was FOS and it is a CJ as I later figured out. Thanks for the
thoughtful and informative post. Snipped and saved for future reference.
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Howard Eisenhauer wrote:
> DJs were the 2WD versions of the earlier CJs. If it does indeed have
> a transfer case as you seem to indicate it probably is a CJ. The
> 60/40 bench seat was an option, fairly rare except for the Tuxedo Park
> model. Likewise the steel hardtops were a dealer installed option,
> ******/Kaiser/AMC never actually built metal tops. They just bolted
> on, not actually part of the body as on sliding door postal jeeps
> (that arn't technically DJs as they were built by someone other than
> ******/AMC- IIRC Rockwell)
>
> To pin down exactly what you're looking at try looking through the
> spotters guides at the Early CJ5 site:
>
> http://www.earlycj5.com/modules.php?...rtid=32&page=1
>
> All the body parts (& complete bodies) are readily available, priced
> all the way from "It Keeps the Wind Out" to "Full Resto Factory
> Correct" ,J.C. Whitney is about the cheapest. A quick web search will
> bring up the pricier options. For some weird reason the "proper"
> fenders (short without the side marker indents) are about $300, the
> slightly later style (short with the indents) are about 1/3 of that.
> AFAIK they're otherwise identical.
>
> Check the frame around the spring hangers for cracks, especially if
> the serial # indicates it's a '57 or later - check here:
>
> http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/history/serial.html
>
> As with the body all the mechancals are still available, usually at
> you local UAP. All the early CJs were pretty much the same
> mechanically so there's more good info on what to look for to be found
> here:
>
> http://www.film.queensu.ca/cj3b/
>
> http://www.thecj2apage.com/
>
>
> Be Warned- if you want to build it for "Off Road" plan on a Saginaw
> steering conversion. If you're thinking resto plan on a major
> steering overhaul as the Ross setup needs EVERYTHING to be tight to
> keep the gray hairs away ;).
>
> Even for full on restos 11" brake/ dual MC upgrades are genearlly
> considered to be A Good Idea.
>
> $1200 does sound way outta line, basically you're buying a frame &
> some axles, & you're not sure if they're any good :(. Still, if its a
> project you're looking for these things ain't getting any commoner,
> especially in stock form.
>
> Good luck, let us know if you go for it-
>
> Howard
>
> http://users.eastlink.ca/~howarde/Tonka.html
>
>
> On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 19:32:42 -0400, Lee Ayrton <layrton@panix.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On my way home from a job I stopped to look at a Jeep parted on the side
>> of the road with a "For Sale" sign in the window. The sign claimed that
>> it was a "CJ-5" but they obviously don't know what they are talking about,
>> it was pretty clearly a DJ: fore-shortened hood and fenders, CJ-5 style
>> tub with a factory metal hard top (swinging doors, not sliding), left hand
>> drive, 2-piece front bench seat, 4 cyl, manual, 4WD. Old-style channel
>> frame (not boxed) and the windshield latches are the early over-center
>> type, not the 70's screw-type.
>>
>> The sheet metal is in tough shape, both fenders need replacement and the
>> tub needs a lot of metal replacement in the usual places. The radiator is
>> out of the truck and the sign claims "Needs head gasket -- have spare
>> parts". Uh huh, that means "not running".
>>
>> They're asking $1200, obviously way too high. I'm thinking more like
>> $400. I'm not really serious about this (I've developed a hankering for a
>> project Duster from the early 70s -- if I can find the garage space), but
>> now that my `79 -5 is done I don't have anything to tinker with, and I'm
>> thinking it might be nice to learn a little tin-knocking. A little DJ
>> might be kinda fun. Learn some sheet metal welding.
>>
>> Anyone know if sheet metal is available for DJ-series Jeeps? Was the
>> running gear very different from standard CJs? Or is it all frustratingly
>> close but entirely different?
>>
>> Clues, warnings and URLs gratefully accepted.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
#14
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Re: What's it worth?
It was put together from something else, no tailgate along with the
hood patch, means they are military M-38A. Did it still have the battery
box and cover in the passenger cowl?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> Yep, a real CJ and I was full of ----, as I figured out the next day on my
> way to work when I remembered that Jeep stretched the CJ to accomodate a
> bigger engine, hence what looked like stubby DJ fenders to me. The
> snorkle patch on the hood should have been a big clue. The steel top
> looks to be dealer-original, I couldn't find any snap holes for a soft
> top. The tub is the gateless flavor. I stopped and looked at it again
> today because I've been thinking that _maybe_ oh just _maybe_ I could have
> a hobby and make a few (very few, on an hourly basis) bucks too in the
> process: Fully restored it should be worth about $5500 or so, if I could
> put it back together for $3500...
>
> Well, it ain't gonna happen. The footwells are gone, someone scabbed
> diamond plate over the rear floor, the tub has old, peeling, fiberglass
> repairs slathered on both sides -- I'd be rebuilding the tub from the dash
> back (not that I don't enjoy a challenge, mind you). The rear crossmember
> is gone, the "V" frame pintle hitch braces are almost gone and I could see
> daylight through that C-channel frame under the rear wheelhouse. Even the
> front cross member has turned to flaky pie dough. That's a lot of frame
> repairs. Oh, and the rear door is missing (but the front ones have
> crank-up windows!)
>
> I'd mis-remembered the price too: They're asking $700, which is probably
> a bit more than it is worth parted out if I had buyers waiting. The $1200
> figure came from the early-40s closed cab ex-military Dodge truck a little
> further down the road. It isn't in much better shape: Both doors need new
> bottoms, the floor's gone, brush guard is gone, missing some rims, no bed,
> and so on.
>
> Ah, well. I'd have had to rent space to store my `79 anyway if I got that
> early CJ. Bet those grapes are sour...
hood patch, means they are military M-38A. Did it still have the battery
box and cover in the passenger cowl?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> Yep, a real CJ and I was full of ----, as I figured out the next day on my
> way to work when I remembered that Jeep stretched the CJ to accomodate a
> bigger engine, hence what looked like stubby DJ fenders to me. The
> snorkle patch on the hood should have been a big clue. The steel top
> looks to be dealer-original, I couldn't find any snap holes for a soft
> top. The tub is the gateless flavor. I stopped and looked at it again
> today because I've been thinking that _maybe_ oh just _maybe_ I could have
> a hobby and make a few (very few, on an hourly basis) bucks too in the
> process: Fully restored it should be worth about $5500 or so, if I could
> put it back together for $3500...
>
> Well, it ain't gonna happen. The footwells are gone, someone scabbed
> diamond plate over the rear floor, the tub has old, peeling, fiberglass
> repairs slathered on both sides -- I'd be rebuilding the tub from the dash
> back (not that I don't enjoy a challenge, mind you). The rear crossmember
> is gone, the "V" frame pintle hitch braces are almost gone and I could see
> daylight through that C-channel frame under the rear wheelhouse. Even the
> front cross member has turned to flaky pie dough. That's a lot of frame
> repairs. Oh, and the rear door is missing (but the front ones have
> crank-up windows!)
>
> I'd mis-remembered the price too: They're asking $700, which is probably
> a bit more than it is worth parted out if I had buyers waiting. The $1200
> figure came from the early-40s closed cab ex-military Dodge truck a little
> further down the road. It isn't in much better shape: Both doors need new
> bottoms, the floor's gone, brush guard is gone, missing some rims, no bed,
> and so on.
>
> Ah, well. I'd have had to rent space to store my `79 anyway if I got that
> early CJ. Bet those grapes are sour...
#15
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Re: What's it worth?
It was put together from something else, no tailgate along with the
hood patch, means they are military M-38A. Did it still have the battery
box and cover in the passenger cowl?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> Yep, a real CJ and I was full of ----, as I figured out the next day on my
> way to work when I remembered that Jeep stretched the CJ to accomodate a
> bigger engine, hence what looked like stubby DJ fenders to me. The
> snorkle patch on the hood should have been a big clue. The steel top
> looks to be dealer-original, I couldn't find any snap holes for a soft
> top. The tub is the gateless flavor. I stopped and looked at it again
> today because I've been thinking that _maybe_ oh just _maybe_ I could have
> a hobby and make a few (very few, on an hourly basis) bucks too in the
> process: Fully restored it should be worth about $5500 or so, if I could
> put it back together for $3500...
>
> Well, it ain't gonna happen. The footwells are gone, someone scabbed
> diamond plate over the rear floor, the tub has old, peeling, fiberglass
> repairs slathered on both sides -- I'd be rebuilding the tub from the dash
> back (not that I don't enjoy a challenge, mind you). The rear crossmember
> is gone, the "V" frame pintle hitch braces are almost gone and I could see
> daylight through that C-channel frame under the rear wheelhouse. Even the
> front cross member has turned to flaky pie dough. That's a lot of frame
> repairs. Oh, and the rear door is missing (but the front ones have
> crank-up windows!)
>
> I'd mis-remembered the price too: They're asking $700, which is probably
> a bit more than it is worth parted out if I had buyers waiting. The $1200
> figure came from the early-40s closed cab ex-military Dodge truck a little
> further down the road. It isn't in much better shape: Both doors need new
> bottoms, the floor's gone, brush guard is gone, missing some rims, no bed,
> and so on.
>
> Ah, well. I'd have had to rent space to store my `79 anyway if I got that
> early CJ. Bet those grapes are sour...
hood patch, means they are military M-38A. Did it still have the battery
box and cover in the passenger cowl?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> Yep, a real CJ and I was full of ----, as I figured out the next day on my
> way to work when I remembered that Jeep stretched the CJ to accomodate a
> bigger engine, hence what looked like stubby DJ fenders to me. The
> snorkle patch on the hood should have been a big clue. The steel top
> looks to be dealer-original, I couldn't find any snap holes for a soft
> top. The tub is the gateless flavor. I stopped and looked at it again
> today because I've been thinking that _maybe_ oh just _maybe_ I could have
> a hobby and make a few (very few, on an hourly basis) bucks too in the
> process: Fully restored it should be worth about $5500 or so, if I could
> put it back together for $3500...
>
> Well, it ain't gonna happen. The footwells are gone, someone scabbed
> diamond plate over the rear floor, the tub has old, peeling, fiberglass
> repairs slathered on both sides -- I'd be rebuilding the tub from the dash
> back (not that I don't enjoy a challenge, mind you). The rear crossmember
> is gone, the "V" frame pintle hitch braces are almost gone and I could see
> daylight through that C-channel frame under the rear wheelhouse. Even the
> front cross member has turned to flaky pie dough. That's a lot of frame
> repairs. Oh, and the rear door is missing (but the front ones have
> crank-up windows!)
>
> I'd mis-remembered the price too: They're asking $700, which is probably
> a bit more than it is worth parted out if I had buyers waiting. The $1200
> figure came from the early-40s closed cab ex-military Dodge truck a little
> further down the road. It isn't in much better shape: Both doors need new
> bottoms, the floor's gone, brush guard is gone, missing some rims, no bed,
> and so on.
>
> Ah, well. I'd have had to rent space to store my `79 anyway if I got that
> early CJ. Bet those grapes are sour...
#16
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Re: What's it worth?
It was put together from something else, no tailgate along with the
hood patch, means they are military M-38A. Did it still have the battery
box and cover in the passenger cowl?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> Yep, a real CJ and I was full of ----, as I figured out the next day on my
> way to work when I remembered that Jeep stretched the CJ to accomodate a
> bigger engine, hence what looked like stubby DJ fenders to me. The
> snorkle patch on the hood should have been a big clue. The steel top
> looks to be dealer-original, I couldn't find any snap holes for a soft
> top. The tub is the gateless flavor. I stopped and looked at it again
> today because I've been thinking that _maybe_ oh just _maybe_ I could have
> a hobby and make a few (very few, on an hourly basis) bucks too in the
> process: Fully restored it should be worth about $5500 or so, if I could
> put it back together for $3500...
>
> Well, it ain't gonna happen. The footwells are gone, someone scabbed
> diamond plate over the rear floor, the tub has old, peeling, fiberglass
> repairs slathered on both sides -- I'd be rebuilding the tub from the dash
> back (not that I don't enjoy a challenge, mind you). The rear crossmember
> is gone, the "V" frame pintle hitch braces are almost gone and I could see
> daylight through that C-channel frame under the rear wheelhouse. Even the
> front cross member has turned to flaky pie dough. That's a lot of frame
> repairs. Oh, and the rear door is missing (but the front ones have
> crank-up windows!)
>
> I'd mis-remembered the price too: They're asking $700, which is probably
> a bit more than it is worth parted out if I had buyers waiting. The $1200
> figure came from the early-40s closed cab ex-military Dodge truck a little
> further down the road. It isn't in much better shape: Both doors need new
> bottoms, the floor's gone, brush guard is gone, missing some rims, no bed,
> and so on.
>
> Ah, well. I'd have had to rent space to store my `79 anyway if I got that
> early CJ. Bet those grapes are sour...
hood patch, means they are military M-38A. Did it still have the battery
box and cover in the passenger cowl?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> Yep, a real CJ and I was full of ----, as I figured out the next day on my
> way to work when I remembered that Jeep stretched the CJ to accomodate a
> bigger engine, hence what looked like stubby DJ fenders to me. The
> snorkle patch on the hood should have been a big clue. The steel top
> looks to be dealer-original, I couldn't find any snap holes for a soft
> top. The tub is the gateless flavor. I stopped and looked at it again
> today because I've been thinking that _maybe_ oh just _maybe_ I could have
> a hobby and make a few (very few, on an hourly basis) bucks too in the
> process: Fully restored it should be worth about $5500 or so, if I could
> put it back together for $3500...
>
> Well, it ain't gonna happen. The footwells are gone, someone scabbed
> diamond plate over the rear floor, the tub has old, peeling, fiberglass
> repairs slathered on both sides -- I'd be rebuilding the tub from the dash
> back (not that I don't enjoy a challenge, mind you). The rear crossmember
> is gone, the "V" frame pintle hitch braces are almost gone and I could see
> daylight through that C-channel frame under the rear wheelhouse. Even the
> front cross member has turned to flaky pie dough. That's a lot of frame
> repairs. Oh, and the rear door is missing (but the front ones have
> crank-up windows!)
>
> I'd mis-remembered the price too: They're asking $700, which is probably
> a bit more than it is worth parted out if I had buyers waiting. The $1200
> figure came from the early-40s closed cab ex-military Dodge truck a little
> further down the road. It isn't in much better shape: Both doors need new
> bottoms, the floor's gone, brush guard is gone, missing some rims, no bed,
> and so on.
>
> Ah, well. I'd have had to rent space to store my `79 anyway if I got that
> early CJ. Bet those grapes are sour...
#17
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Re: What's it worth?
I'd meant to ask about that, yes, a long, narrow cover standing proud of
the cowl, right hand side, looks like the one in pictures of M-38As.
Other oddities to my 70s-sotted eye: An air intake scoop behind the
grill, driver's side, part of the rather deep stamped radiator mount
shell. What looked to be a heater box mounted on the engine side of the
firewall, driver's side, but no connecting piece to the scoop. Two wiper
mounts, each on the upper part of the windshield. 4 slices of ~3/4"
tubing ~3" long, one each side welded upright just behind each door
opening inside and then again outside of both rear corners (top bow
pockets?). Hmmm. And a "Maximum Allowable Speed" plate riveted to the
dash, but no Mil. data plate.
Didn't Jeep continue using the M-38A hoods on CJs? I'm sure that I've
seen older CJs with the patch for a snorkle.
On Sun, 29 Aug 2004, L.W.([iso-8859-1] ßill) ------ III wrote:
> It was put together from something else, no tailgate along with the
> hood patch, means they are military M-38A. Did it still have the battery
> box and cover in the passenger cowl?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Lee Ayrton wrote:
>>
>> Yep, a real CJ and I was full of ----, as I figured out the next day on my
>> way to work when I remembered that Jeep stretched the CJ to accomodate a
>> bigger engine, hence what looked like stubby DJ fenders to me. The
>> snorkle patch on the hood should have been a big clue. The steel top
>> looks to be dealer-original, I couldn't find any snap holes for a soft
>> top. The tub is the gateless flavor. I stopped and looked at it again
>> today because I've been thinking that _maybe_ oh just _maybe_ I could have
>> a hobby and make a few (very few, on an hourly basis) bucks too in the
>> process: Fully restored it should be worth about $5500 or so, if I could
>> put it back together for $3500...
>>
>> Well, it ain't gonna happen. The footwells are gone, someone scabbed
>> diamond plate over the rear floor, the tub has old, peeling, fiberglass
>> repairs slathered on both sides -- I'd be rebuilding the tub from the dash
>> back (not that I don't enjoy a challenge, mind you). The rear crossmember
>> is gone, the "V" frame pintle hitch braces are almost gone and I could see
>> daylight through that C-channel frame under the rear wheelhouse. Even the
>> front cross member has turned to flaky pie dough. That's a lot of frame
>> repairs. Oh, and the rear door is missing (but the front ones have
>> crank-up windows!)
>>
>> I'd mis-remembered the price too: They're asking $700, which is probably
>> a bit more than it is worth parted out if I had buyers waiting. The $1200
>> figure came from the early-40s closed cab ex-military Dodge truck a little
>> further down the road. It isn't in much better shape: Both doors need new
>> bottoms, the floor's gone, brush guard is gone, missing some rims, no bed,
>> and so on.
>>
>> Ah, well. I'd have had to rent space to store my `79 anyway if I got that
>> early CJ. Bet those grapes are sour...
>
#18
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Re: What's it worth?
I'd meant to ask about that, yes, a long, narrow cover standing proud of
the cowl, right hand side, looks like the one in pictures of M-38As.
Other oddities to my 70s-sotted eye: An air intake scoop behind the
grill, driver's side, part of the rather deep stamped radiator mount
shell. What looked to be a heater box mounted on the engine side of the
firewall, driver's side, but no connecting piece to the scoop. Two wiper
mounts, each on the upper part of the windshield. 4 slices of ~3/4"
tubing ~3" long, one each side welded upright just behind each door
opening inside and then again outside of both rear corners (top bow
pockets?). Hmmm. And a "Maximum Allowable Speed" plate riveted to the
dash, but no Mil. data plate.
Didn't Jeep continue using the M-38A hoods on CJs? I'm sure that I've
seen older CJs with the patch for a snorkle.
On Sun, 29 Aug 2004, L.W.([iso-8859-1] ßill) ------ III wrote:
> It was put together from something else, no tailgate along with the
> hood patch, means they are military M-38A. Did it still have the battery
> box and cover in the passenger cowl?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Lee Ayrton wrote:
>>
>> Yep, a real CJ and I was full of ----, as I figured out the next day on my
>> way to work when I remembered that Jeep stretched the CJ to accomodate a
>> bigger engine, hence what looked like stubby DJ fenders to me. The
>> snorkle patch on the hood should have been a big clue. The steel top
>> looks to be dealer-original, I couldn't find any snap holes for a soft
>> top. The tub is the gateless flavor. I stopped and looked at it again
>> today because I've been thinking that _maybe_ oh just _maybe_ I could have
>> a hobby and make a few (very few, on an hourly basis) bucks too in the
>> process: Fully restored it should be worth about $5500 or so, if I could
>> put it back together for $3500...
>>
>> Well, it ain't gonna happen. The footwells are gone, someone scabbed
>> diamond plate over the rear floor, the tub has old, peeling, fiberglass
>> repairs slathered on both sides -- I'd be rebuilding the tub from the dash
>> back (not that I don't enjoy a challenge, mind you). The rear crossmember
>> is gone, the "V" frame pintle hitch braces are almost gone and I could see
>> daylight through that C-channel frame under the rear wheelhouse. Even the
>> front cross member has turned to flaky pie dough. That's a lot of frame
>> repairs. Oh, and the rear door is missing (but the front ones have
>> crank-up windows!)
>>
>> I'd mis-remembered the price too: They're asking $700, which is probably
>> a bit more than it is worth parted out if I had buyers waiting. The $1200
>> figure came from the early-40s closed cab ex-military Dodge truck a little
>> further down the road. It isn't in much better shape: Both doors need new
>> bottoms, the floor's gone, brush guard is gone, missing some rims, no bed,
>> and so on.
>>
>> Ah, well. I'd have had to rent space to store my `79 anyway if I got that
>> early CJ. Bet those grapes are sour...
>
#19
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Posts: n/a
Re: What's it worth?
I'd meant to ask about that, yes, a long, narrow cover standing proud of
the cowl, right hand side, looks like the one in pictures of M-38As.
Other oddities to my 70s-sotted eye: An air intake scoop behind the
grill, driver's side, part of the rather deep stamped radiator mount
shell. What looked to be a heater box mounted on the engine side of the
firewall, driver's side, but no connecting piece to the scoop. Two wiper
mounts, each on the upper part of the windshield. 4 slices of ~3/4"
tubing ~3" long, one each side welded upright just behind each door
opening inside and then again outside of both rear corners (top bow
pockets?). Hmmm. And a "Maximum Allowable Speed" plate riveted to the
dash, but no Mil. data plate.
Didn't Jeep continue using the M-38A hoods on CJs? I'm sure that I've
seen older CJs with the patch for a snorkle.
On Sun, 29 Aug 2004, L.W.([iso-8859-1] ßill) ------ III wrote:
> It was put together from something else, no tailgate along with the
> hood patch, means they are military M-38A. Did it still have the battery
> box and cover in the passenger cowl?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Lee Ayrton wrote:
>>
>> Yep, a real CJ and I was full of ----, as I figured out the next day on my
>> way to work when I remembered that Jeep stretched the CJ to accomodate a
>> bigger engine, hence what looked like stubby DJ fenders to me. The
>> snorkle patch on the hood should have been a big clue. The steel top
>> looks to be dealer-original, I couldn't find any snap holes for a soft
>> top. The tub is the gateless flavor. I stopped and looked at it again
>> today because I've been thinking that _maybe_ oh just _maybe_ I could have
>> a hobby and make a few (very few, on an hourly basis) bucks too in the
>> process: Fully restored it should be worth about $5500 or so, if I could
>> put it back together for $3500...
>>
>> Well, it ain't gonna happen. The footwells are gone, someone scabbed
>> diamond plate over the rear floor, the tub has old, peeling, fiberglass
>> repairs slathered on both sides -- I'd be rebuilding the tub from the dash
>> back (not that I don't enjoy a challenge, mind you). The rear crossmember
>> is gone, the "V" frame pintle hitch braces are almost gone and I could see
>> daylight through that C-channel frame under the rear wheelhouse. Even the
>> front cross member has turned to flaky pie dough. That's a lot of frame
>> repairs. Oh, and the rear door is missing (but the front ones have
>> crank-up windows!)
>>
>> I'd mis-remembered the price too: They're asking $700, which is probably
>> a bit more than it is worth parted out if I had buyers waiting. The $1200
>> figure came from the early-40s closed cab ex-military Dodge truck a little
>> further down the road. It isn't in much better shape: Both doors need new
>> bottoms, the floor's gone, brush guard is gone, missing some rims, no bed,
>> and so on.
>>
>> Ah, well. I'd have had to rent space to store my `79 anyway if I got that
>> early CJ. Bet those grapes are sour...
>
#20
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Posts: n/a
Re: What's it worth?
Yes, you could put a snorkel on a '66 if you wanted and not cut the
hood:
http://www.4x4review.com/feature/50-...p-CJ-5-BIG.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> I'd meant to ask about that, yes, a long, narrow cover standing proud of
> the cowl, right hand side, looks like the one in pictures of M-38As.
> Other oddities to my 70s-sotted eye: An air intake scoop behind the
> grill, driver's side, part of the rather deep stamped radiator mount
> shell. What looked to be a heater box mounted on the engine side of the
> firewall, driver's side, but no connecting piece to the scoop. Two wiper
> mounts, each on the upper part of the windshield. 4 slices of ~3/4"
> tubing ~3" long, one each side welded upright just behind each door
> opening inside and then again outside of both rear corners (top bow
> pockets?). Hmmm. And a "Maximum Allowable Speed" plate riveted to the
> dash, but no Mil. data plate.
>
> Didn't Jeep continue using the M-38A hoods on CJs? I'm sure that I've
> seen older CJs with the patch for a snorkle.
hood:
http://www.4x4review.com/feature/50-...p-CJ-5-BIG.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> I'd meant to ask about that, yes, a long, narrow cover standing proud of
> the cowl, right hand side, looks like the one in pictures of M-38As.
> Other oddities to my 70s-sotted eye: An air intake scoop behind the
> grill, driver's side, part of the rather deep stamped radiator mount
> shell. What looked to be a heater box mounted on the engine side of the
> firewall, driver's side, but no connecting piece to the scoop. Two wiper
> mounts, each on the upper part of the windshield. 4 slices of ~3/4"
> tubing ~3" long, one each side welded upright just behind each door
> opening inside and then again outside of both rear corners (top bow
> pockets?). Hmmm. And a "Maximum Allowable Speed" plate riveted to the
> dash, but no Mil. data plate.
>
> Didn't Jeep continue using the M-38A hoods on CJs? I'm sure that I've
> seen older CJs with the patch for a snorkle.